i don't know if this was posted yet but the new live double dvd is listed
on the back cover as

Region 0
NTSC

the reason i post this is because if it was Region 0 & PAL many of you
wouldn't be able to play it. so this should be just fine for all
north american players although i can't test it since my player is multi-region.

also in my opinion 'secret south' is the best 16 hp album.




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----- Original Message -----

From: ryan price

To: 16horsepower@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:59 PM

Subject: Re: [16horsepower] The Uncomfortable Faith of DEE...

The link you provided is dead.
But thanks for your thoughts I enjoyed them.
Anybody else saved the article he was refering to?
Ryan

---

First time I've ever heard Marilyn Manson referred to
as "Christian pop".....

Norm

--- Fred Bruinenberg <fred7691@...> wrote:

> You can still get to the article: Maybe you have to
> copy and paste
> the whole line. But here's the link:
>
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/archive/music/98/01/22/SIXTEEN_HORSEPOWER
> .html
>
> Fred

You can still get to the article: Maybe you have to copy and paste
the whole line. But here's the link:
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/archive/music/98/01/22/SIXTEEN_HORSEPOWER
.html

Fred
--- In 16horsepower@yahoogroups.com, ryan price <bignarley@y...>
wrote:
>
> The link you provided is dead.
> But thanks for your thoughts I enjoyed them.
> Anybody else saved the article he was refering to?
> Ryan
>
> --- kirkesque <kirkesque@g...> wrote:
>
> >
>
[http://bostonphoenix.com/archive/music/98/01/22/SIXTEEN_HORSEPOWER.ht
ml]
> >  In this article is the most direct mention I've
> > encounter as to the
> > reason DEE does what he does.
> >
> > "I make my music for people who *don't* believe in
> > God.  I think what
> > I'm supposed to do is pretty much scare the shit
> > outta people. And I
> > really hope I do, because maybe that's what they
> > need."
> >
>

Fred Arve

 

----- Original Message -----

From: kirkesque

To: 16horsepower@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:35 AM

Subject: [16horsepower] The Uncomfortable Faith of DEE...

I've been reading and thinking and such dangerous ilk as that, and
thought I'd add something again to the discussion of faith and belief
and the music of DEE....

Where did I've heard such a same story??

   Roel


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "Courtney King" <cking@...>
   To: <16horsepower@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:32 PM
   Subject: Re: [16horsepower] secret south


   > ryan I love how you're always throwing lyrics into your emails.  I'm so
   > happy i'm not the only one that does stuff like that!  I found this
forum
   > fairly recently, I never realized that 16hp has so many fans from the
   > states.  I live in a small town in Illinois and anytime i'm asked my
   > favorite band, the response is the same.....I say, "Sixteen Horsepower"
and
   > i'm asked "Are they on the radio"  GRRRR, people around here think good
   > music is top 40!  And i'm made fun of for the stuff I listen to........
   > back in the mid 90's, maybe 94 or so, my friend went to see 16hp at
Shuba's
   > in Chicago, she said the place was dead.  We discussed how crazy these
   > people are not to see the genius right in front of them.
   >
   > Courtney
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: "ryan price" <bignarley@...>
   > To: <16horsepower@yahoogroups.com>
   > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:56 PM
   > Subject: Re: [16horsepower] secret south
   >
   >
   > > Me too, great choice of cover!
   > > I think it is a testiment to how great they are if
   > > everyone has different favorites.
   > >
   > >
   > > "Now what I done's my damage
   > > An what you do is your'n
   > > Y'all got nothin' on me
   > > But I'll take that there
   > > Crown of scorn"
   > >
   > > Ryan
   > >

The link you provided is dead.
But thanks for your thoughts I enjoyed them.
Anybody else saved the article he was refering to?
Ryan

--- kirkesque <kirkesque@...> wrote:

>
[http://bostonphoenix.com/archive/music/98/01/22/SIXTEEN_HORSEPOWER.html]
>  In this article is the most direct mention I've
> encounter as to the
> reason DEE does what he does.
>
> "I make my music for people who *don't* believe in
> God.  I think what
> I'm supposed to do is pretty much scare the shit
> outta people. And I
> really hope I do, because maybe that's what they
> need."
>

I've been reading and thinking and such dangerous ilk as that, and
thought I'd add something again to the discussion of faith and belief
and the music of DEE.  I had an off-list missive that got me thinking
again about the relationship between DEE and his music and us (the
listeners) to his music and how it all connects to the same source.
Or not, depending on your point of view and referentional position of
belief.

The 16hp.net site (spelled in full, of course) used o have an article
that cited the Bible verses of references in DEE's lyrics.  I always
really liked that article, and now that it's gone, wish I had copied
it before the site did their makeover last year (or was it earlier
this year?  hmmm...).  I used that once when I had knew little more
about 16hp than having seen them a few times,  and I told a couple of
friends about how I noticed there were an incredible amount of Bible
references in their music.  Despite my friends' intellect and eye for
such things, they had completely overlooked this detail amongst the
power of the music in general.  I started exploring.  Seeking.
Finding strings in the dark labyrinth...

When the discussion of spirit and faith arose here, my first thought
was: I wonder why no one's brought this up before?  And eagerly
devoured the conversation.  I've been searching through old links I
have for 16hp articles, and came across one of the oldest from the
.net site.
[http://bostonphoenix.com/archive/music/98/01/22/SIXTEEN_HORSEPOWER.html]
  In this article is the most direct mention I've encounter as to the
reason DEE does what he does.

"I make my music for people who *don't* believe in God.  I think what
I'm supposed to do is pretty much scare the shit outta people. And I
really hope I do, because maybe that's what they need."

I've always been attracted to the fall and redemption DEE portrays in
his music.  Like... Johnny Cash (who was probably the first musician I
ever heard because my mom was playing his music before I was born, and
almost continually thereafter), DEE doesn't tell you what's good and
bad about *your* life, just tells of his own faults and hopes and sins
and salvations.  Which, of course, happen to be those which befall a
lot of us.  Most of us, perhaps.  Which, to me, is comforting.  To
know that someone else, somewhere, somewhen, has felt that way, been
in the dark space, and struggle to find the way out again; been into
the abyss, as it were, and brought back a hellish tale -- set in
brimstone music -- and sung with the fiery words of God.  And heard by
hosts of slumming angels deguised as "ordinary people".  Us, maybe...
I have sat at the edge of the stage and seen his foot flailing.  The
Spirit possessing him.

These are the reasons I weep in hearing this music.  I know it is from
the heart and soul of the singer.  And touches the hearts and souls of
those who would listen.  This is no candycane Christian radio pop.
This is the hellfire of Armageddon shown on a tapestry of an
individual's life.  And the individual may well be each person who
hears.

"I don't make my music for people who believe in God to get together
and dance around. I think that's fine, and if God wants you to make
that kind of music, then good, go for it. But that's not the kind of
music I'm supposed to make."

DEE, your uncomfortable faith gives comfort for many.  And that is a
holy endeavor by almost any belief.


thank you for listening.  reading.  whathaveyou.

    ~kirk~

to me, it was just great that he covered a dylan song
and I kind of think of any song, it fits the mood of
the album best because it comes from that nostalgic
and abrstract place concerning childhood
memories..'praying arm lane' make a lot of reference
to children but specifically I'm thinking of 'just
like birds' ....

Now stay close to me
In an amongst the trees
I'll carry your shoes child
You run an play beneath the eaves

that's such beautiful imagery so similar to me as
dylans

Used to run in the cemetery
Dance and run and sing when I was a child

anyway, I originally started this thread w/ the whole
idea that Secret South stood a little outside of
16hp's body of work and was more of a personal less
accessable work....but man I have to agree what a
beautiful album, with beautiful lyrics. too bad the
lyrics on the disc are unreadable
Caleb (presently in cold cold north Idaho)

Is anything as lovely to me
As the truth in love
I'll take it over freedom any day
It brings me ever an this time to my knees
An on my knees I run away

sounds like something you should say in a philosophy
class  ;)


--- raymond maki <raymaki58@...> wrote:

> to me, it fits right in great!!,  but, whatever
>
> --- whiggedout@... wrote:
>
> > george wrote:
> >
> > > (i'd have personally left the Dylan cover just
> as
> > a b-side as i don't think
> > > it's as strong as everything else on there).
> > >
> >
> > agree, to me, it breaks the mood...but whatever,
> > great great record!
> >
> > laura, in rome
> >
>
>
>

ryan I love how you're always throwing lyrics into your emails.  I'm so
happy i'm not the only one that does stuff like that!  I found this forum
fairly recently, I never realized that 16hp has so many fans from the
states.  I live in a small town in Illinois and anytime i'm asked my
favorite band, the response is the same.....I say, "Sixteen Horsepower" and
i'm asked "Are they on the radio"  GRRRR, people around here think good
music is top 40!  And i'm made fun of for the stuff I listen to........
back in the mid 90's, maybe 94 or so, my friend went to see 16hp at Shuba's
in Chicago, she said the place was dead.  We discussed how crazy these
people are not to see the genius right in front of them.

Courtney

----- Original Message -----
From: "ryan price" <bignarley@...>
To: <16horsepower@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [16horsepower] secret south


> Me too, great choice of cover!
> I think it is a testiment to how great they are if
> everyone has different favorites.
>
>
> "Now what I done's my damage
> An what you do is your'n
> Y'all got nothin' on me
> But I'll take that there
> Crown of scorn"
>
> Ryan
>

to me, it fits right in great!!,  but, whatever

--- whiggedout@... wrote:

> george wrote:
>
> > (i'd have personally left the Dylan cover just as
> a b-side as i don't think
> > it's as strong as everything else on there).
> >
>
> agree, to me, it breaks the mood...but whatever,
> great great record!
>
> laura, in rome
>

Me too, great choice of cover!
I think it is a testiment to how great they are if
everyone has different favorites.


"Now what I done's my damage
An what you do is your'n
Y'all got nothin' on me
But I'll take that there
Crown of scorn"

Ryan

--- Morgan Harlow <fredlakrueger@...> wrote:

> The Dylan cover is great. I think it works just fine
> with the rest of the album.
>
> whiggedout@... wrote:  george wrote:
>
>   (i'd have personally left the Dylan cover just as
> a b-side as i don't think it's as strong as
> everything else on there).
>
>
> agree, to me, it breaks the mood...but whatever,
> great great record!
>
> laura, in rome
>

Favorites of 2005:
Clutch – Exodus/Robot Hive
Curl Up and Die – The One Above All, the End of All That Is
Fantomas – Suspended Animation
Guapo- Black Oni
Helena Tulve – Sula
Kash – Open
The Mars Volta – Frances the Mute
Mastodon – Leviathon (released in late 2004)
Matisyahu – Live at Stubbs
Marcin Wasilewski, Slawomir Kurkiewicz, Michal Miski – Trio

Favorite Shows of 2005:
Matisyahu @ The Beta Bar – 22 Feb 2005
The Assad Brothers @ Dohnanyi Recital Hall – 9 Nov 2005

Thank you, very much.  :)

    ~k~


>    Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:30:41 +0000 (GMT)
>    From: George Andreou <bugsonglass@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: That song at the intro of "Coulisses"??/question about Blush
>
> Blush Music is more of a soundtrack.  It has to be coherent and make sense as
a Woven Hand album.  Blush is the score exactly as it was used in the dance
production, it's a bit more sparse.  I enjoy both equally.  I think it's worth
having (if you've already bought everything 16hp/WH related that there is). 
Glitterhouse also stocks the first Lilium CD for a ludicrusly low price.
>


--
"who is, who was, who is to come
    given to other lips, and
      spoken on other tongues.
   where are you, and where have you been?
    hold fast, hold fast,
     till he come again."

          -David Eugene Edwards

Aight!

Here's mine:

1.  M. Ward - Transistor Radio
2.  Smog - A River Ain't Too Much To Love
3.  Animal Collective - Feels
4.  Arizona Amp and Alternator - AAAA
5.  Richard Swift - The Novelist / Walking Without Effort
6.  Devendra Banhart - Cripple Crow
7.  Calexico w Iron & Wine - In the Reins
8.  Angels of Light & Akron/Family - Akron/Family & Angels of Light
9.  Calexico - The Book and the Canal
10. Antony and the Johnsons - I Am a Bird Now

/Andy

--- In 16horsepower@yahoogroups.com, "partisan16hp"
<dunringill@h...> wrote:
>
> Clatu Parada to you all!
>
> The end of 2005 is getting nearer and nearer.
> As a respective view here are my personal top-ten-CDs of 2005:
>
> CALEXICO WITH IRON AND WINE - In the Reins
> MADRUGADA - The Deep End
> SLIM CESSNA'S AUTO CLUB - Jesus let me down
> SONS & DAUGHTERS - The Repulsion Box
> STEVE WYNN - Tick Tick Tick
> THE DEVASTATIONS - Coal
> TARANTELLA - Esqueletos
> HELLDORADO - The Ballad of Nora Lee
> CALVIN RUSSELL - In Spite of it all
> AUDIOSLAVE - Out of Exile
>
> And what are your top-ten-albums?
>
> Take care,
>
> Alex
>

But you've got another song instead that the european version lacks -
"Dead Run" - one of the greatest 16HP-songs in my opinion. Thank
you all for helping me with "The Partisan".

/Andy


--- In 16horsepower@yahoogroups.com, "Courtney King" <cking@c...>
wrote:
>
> You're right, I have the american version and unfortunatly I've
never heard the song "the Partisan"
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Jacqueline Hoogendoorn
>   To: 16horsepower@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:56 AM
>   Subject: RE: [16horsepower] That song at the intro
of "Coulisses"??
>
>
>   I forgot to say that 'The Partisan' is only on the European
edition of Low Estate, it's not on the American edition I think.
>
>   
>
>   Jacqueline

But you've got another song instead that the european version lacks -
  "Dead Run" - one of the greatest 16HP-songs in my opinion. Thank
you all for helping me with "The Partisan".

/Andy


--- In 16horsepower@yahoogroups.com, "Courtney King" <cking@c...>
wrote:
>
> You're right, I have the american version and unfortunatly I've
never heard the song "the Partisan"
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Jacqueline Hoogendoorn
>   To: 16horsepower@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:56 AM
>   Subject: RE: [16horsepower] That song at the intro
of "Coulisses"??
>
>
>   I forgot to say that 'The Partisan' is only on the European
edition of Low Estate, it's not on the American edition I think.
>
>
>
>   Jacqueline
>

> Any USA fans buy the new DVD from Glitterhouse?  I've read it is
> Region Free but want to make sure it's not PAL only...

The DVD says "region free" and "NTSC" on the back, and I just double-checked
it by looking at the .IFO files on the disk itself (which also indicate
NTSC). It should play with no problem in any U.S. DVD player.

--
Sarah V.

I have been listening to an album that would never be known as
"Christian music" unless pointed out, or having previous knowledge of
the musicians.  Matt & Bubba Kadane's soundtrack to "Hell House".

Hell House is a documentary about an evangelical church in Texas that
puts on a haunted house every Hallowe'en that is geared to scare
people away from abortion, drugs, occult things, etc... My lady and I
watched the documentary and thought... blah... but were blown away by
the music in it.  The Kadanes were part of the Austin, Tx bands
Bedhead and The New Year.  Their music sounds a bit like a southern
Velvet Underground playing Sigur Rรณs tunes.



--- In 16horsepower@yahoogroups.com, ryan price <bignarley@y...> wrote:
>
> Someone turned me onto 16 Horsepower, i fell in love
> with the Dark intensity of the music, the visual
> lyrics, and his voice of course. Secret South and
> Folklore were the only albums I had heard at first.
> The religious overtones are subtle in those records. I
> had no idea they were a quote "Christian Band" until
> someone pointed it out.
>

It's Region 0

----- Original Message -----
From: "freejazzfoosking" <dwight_haden@...>
To: <16horsepower@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:36 PM
Subject: [16horsepower] New Live DVD - is it NTSC playable?


> Any USA fans buy the new DVD from Glitterhouse?  I've read it is
> Region Free but want to make sure it's not PAL only...
>

I was caught up in watching the video after I confirmed that it was
indeed "Partisan"...

--- In 16horsepower@yahoogroups.com, "Jacqueline Hoogendoorn"
<jhoogendoorn@w...> wrote:
>
> I won, I won! ;-)
>
> Jacqueline
>
>


I'd love to know what the differences are between the Blush Score and
Blush Music.  I have the latter, and, like a Homer Simpson, forgot to
include the Blush Score when I placed and order from Glitterhouse last
week.  *D'oh!*  Shipping to the States from Germany isn't cheap, but
worth it for certain things (like the second 16hp dvd)

So I was wondering what the differences in the tracks between the two
albums are...

    ~kirk~

Any USA fans buy the new DVD from Glitterhouse?  I've read it is
Region Free but want to make sure it's not PAL only...

Oh no...That audioslave cd is probably one of the worse I've ever heard, and
I'm a big Cornell fan.


>From: "partisan16hp" <dunringill@...>
>Reply-To: 16horsepower@yahoogroups.com
>To: 16horsepower@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [16horsepower] Records of the year 2005
>Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:27:49 -0000
>
>Clatu Parada to you all!
>
>The end of 2005 is getting nearer and nearer.
>As a respective view here are my personal top-ten-CDs of 2005:
>
>CALEXICO WITH IRON AND WINE - In the Reins
>MADRUGADA - The Deep End
>SLIM CESSNA'S AUTO CLUB - Jesus let me down
>SONS & DAUGHTERS - The Repulsion Box
>STEVE WYNN - Tick Tick Tick
>THE DEVASTATIONS - Coal
>TARANTELLA - Esqueletos
>HELLDORADO - The Ballad of Nora Lee
>CALVIN RUSSELL - In Spite of it all
>AUDIOSLAVE - Out of Exile
>
>And what are your top-ten-albums?
>
>Take care,
>
>Alex
>
>
>
>
>