From: sca_bard@... <sca_bard@...>
Subject: Re: [Anglo_Saxon_Lyres] Lyre-Players_Bamberg-Apocalypse
To: Anglo_Saxon_Lyres@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 12:38 PM

I'd guess they're either the seven trumpets or seven bowls of Revelation (since they're in something called the Bamberg Apocalypse): From Wikipedia: Bible scholars associate the seven seals with the seven Spirits of God,[1] and other Bible 'sevens'.[2] The seals contain symbols commonly interpreted as death, famine, world wars, martyrdom, earthquakes, and the Antichrist. It also states that there will be "seven trumpets" announcing aspects of the "End Times": mankind being judged, seas turning to blood, sores on people's bodies, plagues, infertility, and the introduction of "seven bowls" (in King James Version called "vials"). These bowls are a third each of the sea, humankind, water, animal life, ships, crops, and earth, all engulfed by an infinite abyss. More info with verse information here: http://www.gotquest ions.org/ seven-seals- trumpets. html It's been over ten years since my "Apocalyptic Imagination in the Americas" class (seriously!) so I don't instantly see the connection with the lyre players.  They might just be humanity, about to be afflicted with what the angel is pouring out, but... it's Revelation, there's probably some symbolism going on there.  I see "four living creatures and 24 elders" that fall down before the lamb all have harps in Rev 5:8, but there's only 6 guys here.  Rev 14:2 mentions "a sound like harps" but... it isn't actually harps, AFAIK.  It'd be helpful to know what passage was being illustrated. --- On Tue, 6/30/09, niki naeve <nnaeve@yahoo. com> wrote: From: niki naeve <nnaeve@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [Anglo_Saxon_ Lyres] Lyre-Players_ Bamberg-Apocalyp se To: Anglo_Saxon_ Lyres@yahoogroup s.com Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 12:17 PM Does anyone know what this image may mean, overall?  I see what look like angels pouring wine (or blood) onto the heads of a group of lyre players.  I'm positive someone has a much more educated artistic notion! http://commons. wikimedia. org/wiki/ File:BambergApoc alypseFolio038vA ngelWith7Plagues. JPG Niki > The image from Bamberg is absolutely fantastic! Tim Hallo Tim, thank you very much for your long response to "playing-technique" . Yes, this was my feeling too, when i first saw this illustration on my computer.I had never ssen it before in any diskussion of the Lyre-playing- technique (Greame Lawson, Barbara Theune-Großkopf, Dieter Bischop...). The illustration is published in "wiki-commons" : http://commons. wikimedia. org/wiki/ File:BambergApoc alypseFolio038vA ngelWith7Plagues. JPG Your Questions about the dating of the two "strange lyres": The "Aal"(Obboell) -Lyre is dated in the 12th century (King Waldemar). The Montpellier- Lyre is dated in the 8th century. This illustration is also published in "wiki-commons" : http://commons. wikimedia. org/wiki/ File:Psaultier_ Montpellier_ MS-H409_David.jpg Best wishes Werner