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Re: Lyre-Players_Bamberg-Apocalypse

The Seven Seals is a controversial topic now days. In 1963, William Branham
preached inspiring messages on the Seven Seals in Jeffersonville Indiana.
Hundreds of books have been written on the Seven Seals since then. Even Billy
Graham dealt with the Seven Seals in his book Approaching Hoof Beats.
I do not mean to cause confusion, since members of this group represent
different views on the Seven Seals. I wont go further on this public forum, but
would be happy to hear from any one privately concerning this.
Concerning harps in the book of revelation, believe it possible that some people
may have had visionary input concerning this. Roger Day

--- In Anglo_Saxon_Lyres@yahoogroups.com, "sca_bard@..." <sca_bard@...> wrote:
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> I'd guess they're either the seven trumpets or seven bowls of Revelation
(since they're in something called the Bamberg Apocalypse):
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> From Wikipedia:
> Bible scholars associate the seven seals with the seven Spirits of God,[1] and
other Bible 'sevens'.[2] The seals contain symbols commonly interpreted as
death, famine, world wars, martyrdom, earthquakes, and the Antichrist. It also
states that there will be "seven trumpets" announcing aspects of the "End
Times":
> mankind being judged, seas turning to blood, sores on people's bodies,
> plagues, infertility, and the introduction of "seven bowls" (in King James
Version
> called "vials"). These bowls are a third each of the sea, humankind,
> water, animal life, ships, crops, and earth, all engulfed by an
> infinite abyss.
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> More info with verse information here:
> http://www.gotquestions.org/seven-seals-trumpets.html
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> It's been over ten years since my "Apocalyptic Imagination in the Americas"
class (seriously!) so I don't instantly see the connection with the lyre
players.  They might just be humanity, about to be afflicted with what the angel
is pouring out, but... it's Revelation, there's probably some symbolism going on
there.  I see "four living creatures and 24 elders" that fall down before the
lamb all have harps in Rev 5:8, but there's only 6 guys here.  Rev 14:2 mentions
"a sound like harps" but... it isn't actually harps, AFAIK.  It'd be helpful to
know what passage was being illustrated.
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> --- On Tue, 6/30/09, niki naeve <nnaeve@...> wrote:
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> From: niki naeve <nnaeve@...>
> Subject: Re: [Anglo_Saxon_Lyres] Lyre-Players_Bamberg-Apocalypse
> To: Anglo_Saxon_Lyres@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 12:17 PM
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> Does anyone know what this image may mean, overall?  I see
> what look like angels pouring wine (or blood) onto the heads of a
> group of lyre players.  I'm positive someone has a much more
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> http://commons. wikimedia. org/wiki/ File:BambergApoc alypseFolio038vA
ngelWith7Plagues. JPG
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> Hallo Tim,
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> thank you very much for your long response to
> "playing-technique".
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> Yes, this was my feeling too, when i first saw this illustration on my
> computer.I had never ssen it before in any diskussion of the
> Lyre-playing- technique (Greame Lawson, Barbara Theune-Großkopf,
> Dieter Bischop...).
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> The illustration is published in
> "wiki-commons":
> http://commons. wikimedia. org/wiki/ File:BambergApoc alypseFolio038vA
ngelWith7Plagues. JPG
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> Your Questions about the dating of the two "strange
> lyres":
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> The "Aal"(Obboell)-Lyre is dated in the 12th century (King
> Waldemar).
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> The Montpellier- Lyre is dated in the 8th century.
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> This illustration is also published in "wiki-commons":
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> http://commons. wikimedia. org/wiki/ File:Psaultier_ Montpellier_
MS-H409_David.jpg
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> Werner
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... Tim Hallo Tim, thank you very much for your long response to "playing-technique". Yes, this was my feeling too, when i first saw this illustration on my...
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Does anyone know what this image may mean, overall? I see what look like angels pouring wine (or blood) onto the heads of a group of lyre players. I'm...
niki naeve
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Jun 30, 2009
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I'd guess they're either the seven trumpets or seven bowls of Revelation (since they're in something called the Bamberg Apocalypse): From Wikipedia: Bible...
sca_bard@...
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The Seven Seals is a controversial topic now days. In 1963, William Branham preached inspiring messages on the Seven Seals in Jeffersonville Indiana. Hundreds...
Roger
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Jul 2, 2009
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My similar thoughts.  This is a "representation" picture and very stylized so it may not be that accurate. Disclaimer: I went to a Bible collage for a few...
Doug Saball
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Jun 30, 2009
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Hi Roger, Yes it is a bit off topic, and it is not in my policy to "push" my beliefs onto anyone. After my BS degree (Env. Science) I turned down a MS program...
Doug Saball
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Jul 2, 2009
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Hello all This is a very cool picture of lyre players indeed, but I am concerned about the conclusions we are drawing here. My main issue is that anyone who...
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Jul 2, 2009
2:28 pm

... Hi Simon, I agree with you that caution needs to be excersised here, but at the same time, manuscript illustrations are one of the main sources of evidence...
Tim Caldwell
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