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Re: [Anglo_Saxon_Lyres] Lyre-Players_Bamberg-Apocalypse

Hello all

This is a very cool picture of lyre players indeed, but I am
concerned about the conclusions we are drawing here. My main issue is
that anyone who says it 'just works' as a playing style seems to be
ignoring that the index and fourth fingers poke right through the
strings and curl rouns on this side of them. Rather diferent from
simply plucking with both hands!

The two strange lyres - this is in my opinion merely artistic
drift... look at a stylised guinness logo or perhaps the Musicians
Union logo to see this kind of thing still happening...

Simon


On 30 Jun 2009, at 06:47, wernerbuchin wrote:

>> The image from Bamberg is absolutely fantastic!
> Tim
>
> Hallo Tim,
> thank you very much for your long response to "playing-technique".
> Yes, this was my feeling too, when i first saw this illustration on
> my computer.I had never ssen it before in any diskussion of the
> Lyre-playing-technique (Greame Lawson, Barbara Theune-Großkopf,
> Dieter Bischop...).
> The illustration is published in "wiki-commons":
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/
> File:BambergApocalypseFolio038vAngelWith7Plagues.JPG
>
> Your Questions about the dating of the two "strange lyres":
> The "Aal"(Obboell)-Lyre is dated in the 12th century (King Waldemar).
> The Montpellier-Lyre is dated in the 8th century.
> This illustration is also published in "wiki-commons":
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Psaultier_Montpellier_MS-
> H409_David.jpg
>
> Best wishes
> Werner
>
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... Tim Hallo Tim, thank you very much for your long response to "playing-technique". Yes, this was my feeling too, when i first saw this illustration on my...
wernerbuchin
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Jun 30, 2009
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Does anyone know what this image may mean, overall? I see what look like angels pouring wine (or blood) onto the heads of a group of lyre players. I'm...
niki naeve
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Jun 30, 2009
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I'd guess they're either the seven trumpets or seven bowls of Revelation (since they're in something called the Bamberg Apocalypse): From Wikipedia: Bible...
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Jun 30, 2009
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The Seven Seals is a controversial topic now days. In 1963, William Branham preached inspiring messages on the Seven Seals in Jeffersonville Indiana. Hundreds...
Roger
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Jul 2, 2009
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My similar thoughts.  This is a "representation" picture and very stylized so it may not be that accurate. Disclaimer: I went to a Bible collage for a few...
Doug Saball
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Hi Roger, Yes it is a bit off topic, and it is not in my policy to "push" my beliefs onto anyone. After my BS degree (Env. Science) I turned down a MS program...
Doug Saball
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Hello all This is a very cool picture of lyre players indeed, but I am concerned about the conclusions we are drawing here. My main issue is that anyone who...
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Jul 2, 2009
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... Hi Simon, I agree with you that caution needs to be excersised here, but at the same time, manuscript illustrations are one of the main sources of evidence...
Tim Caldwell
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