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Re: [CharlieChristian] Re: CC Influence on Django?

What Django Reinhardt played in 1935 was not the same as what he played in
1953. Also, he wasn't working in a vacuum. He was part of a music scene
that drew a great deal of inspiration from American jazz.

Django started out idolizing Louis Armstrong and the early Hot Club
recordings certainly owe something to Joe Venuti and Eddie Lang.

I'm not saying Django was influenced by Charlie Christian any more than by
other jazz musicians like Duke Ellington, Benny Goodman, or Artie Shaw, or
the later bop players. But the proof is in the listening, and in a few
recordings from the early 1940s at least, you can hear some CC-style licks.

That takes nothing away from the man. Everybody is influenced by somebody
else. The greatest musician is also the best listener.


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Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:27 am

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I just picked up the French label complete Django Reinhardt discs, which present everything the man recorded in chronological order. I also read an excellent...
Snatch N. Grabster
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Jan 18, 2007
10:57 pm

... The art of Django was acheved since 1935, and no influence from CC can be found. Sorry. Jean-Pierre "lbop" Bourgeois www.jpbourgeois.org...
Jean-Pierre Bourgeois...
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Jan 19, 2007
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Django had no influence on Charles' playing. CC did however influence Django. You can hear many of CC's phrases in Django's solos around 1950 after he...
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Jan 27, 2007
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What Django Reinhardt played in 1935 was not the same as what he played in 1953. Also, he wasn't working in a vacuum. He was part of a music scene that drew...
Snatch N. Grabster
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Jan 28, 2007
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Hi folks Django was before CC in any way. He was born before and started his recording career long before CC. And CC knew reportedly a Django solo, St. Louis...
howldk
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Jan 29, 2007
8:38 am

Ole, Now, now! Play the game! Please read the original postings #2081 onward and you'll see that you weren't put down....you conceded - #2087 wasn't it? Please...
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Jan 29, 2007
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Peter Are we ever going to discuss in detail the actual runs etc of the DR solo and compare them to CC's licks. It doesn't seem very likely - there seem to be...
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Jan 29, 2007
11:01 pm

Dear peter Now you must excuse me. I didn't see your PPS and PPPS before writing the previous message. If you honestly want to see the CC phrases in the DR...
howldk
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Jan 29, 2007
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Django's biographer says he heard the latest Goodman swing records while back in France during the early 1940s, and was influenced by them in his choice of...
Snatch N. Grabster
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Jan 30, 2007
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Ole, The problem here is that CC was undoubtedly influenced by horn players, surely we all accept that. You say that you have found a number of instances where...
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Jan 30, 2007
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... As astonishing as it may seem to those of you who know our history, I agree completely with Peter on this. But why doesn't someone post some clips or...
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Jan 31, 2007
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I previously cited a couple of early 40s tunes where I heard an influence. I don't have access to transcriptions, but the songs were Swing 42, recorded in...
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Jan 31, 2007
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Hi Snatch I've now been listening to the recordings that you mention and I can't really hear any clear CC influence. There might be a few times some licks ...
Ole Lund
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Feb 1, 2007
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Django was in England when the European war started with the invasion of Poland on September 1, 1939. He returned to France but that country was not invaded...
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Feb 3, 2007
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... <garry_hansen@...> wrote: As astonishing as it may seem to those of you who know our history, I agree completely with Peter on this. But why doesn't...
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Jan 31, 2007
11:56 am

I thought Garry's note was quite civil. I didn't interpret anything offensive about it. I thought the discussion had been going quite well and I'd be sorry...
Frank Garza
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Jan 31, 2007
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Not that my opinion matters one bit .....I don't find anything at all wrong with Garry's statement. Please , your making something out of nothing here. Peter...
Tom Cotter
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Feb 1, 2007
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... comment ... rest ... Huh? What the heck are you talking about, Peter? - Garry...
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Can't we all just get along, everybody?...
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