Peter
Are we ever going to discuss in detail the actual runs etc of the DR
solo and compare them to CC's licks. It doesn't seem very likely -
there seem to be a certain unwillingness about it.
Why not learn it (the DR solo), play it, feel it and understand. Did
anybody do that?
Ole

> Ole,
>
> Now, now! Play the game! Please read the original postings #2081
> onward and you'll see that you weren't put down....you conceded -
> #2087 wasn't it? Please read again the subsequent postings and
> clarify for yourself what was said on this site by myself and others.
>
> Best
>
> Peter
>
> PS My 'party piece' is a tune written by myself (entitled Merle) and
> dedicated to Merle Travis. I defy you to find any influence of Merle
> (much as I love his playing) in anything else I've ever done! And I
> played it in his style but with a plectrum 'cos I didn't know he
> played with his fingers when I wrote it! Makes you think don't it?
>
> PPS I'd like to see all of your 'bits' you reckon tie up with linking
> CC to DR.
>
> PPPS Honestly!!!
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> --- In CharlieChristian@yahoogroups.com, "howldk" <howlund@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi folks
> >
> > Django was before CC in any way. He was born before and started his
> > recording career long before CC. And CC knew reportedly a Django
> solo,
> > St. Louis Blues, and was able to play it note for note long before
> > Django knew anything about CC. It's also obvious that when Django
> > later tried out the electric guitar he used some of CC's very
> > recognizable licks.
> >
> > These things are more or less historical facts.
> > Now did Django have any impact on CC's playing style?
> >
> > I believe so and some years ago I tried here in this forum to argue
> > that. Unfortunately I was very much put down by mr. Broadbent and I
> > gave up trying to persuade him and to be taken seriously and for
> > personal reasons I didn't have the energy to carry on.
> >
> > I wished that someone here would take the time to check out the
> Django
> > solo, St Louis Blues, recorded September 9th 1937 with bass and
> rhythm
> > guitar as accompaniment. Get hold of it, the recording, the
> > transcription, play it, analyse it and conclude whether there's any
> > similarity between DR's solo and CC's playing.
> >
> > I have done this and I find 15 motives, licks and runs very much
> > identical with CC's and then there's the use of open strings,
> octaves
> > and primes which CC rarely but occasionally did use.
> >
> > Why don't we get down to earth and discuss actual notes and licks
> and
> > guitarpositions etc.
> >
> > Greetings
> > Ole
> >
> > --- In CharlieChristian@yahoogroups.com, "Snatch N. Grabster"
> > <snatchngrabster@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What Django Reinhardt played in 1935 was not the same as what he
> > played in
> > > 1953. Also, he wasn't working in a vacuum. He was part of a
> music
> > scene
> > > that drew a great deal of inspiration from American jazz.
> > >
> > > Django started out idolizing Louis Armstrong and the early Hot
> Club
> > > recordings certainly owe something to Joe Venuti and Eddie Lang.
> > >
> > > I'm not saying Django was influenced by Charlie Christian any more
> > than by
> > > other jazz musicians like Duke Ellington, Benny Goodman, or Artie
> > Shaw, or
> > > the later bop players. But the proof is in the listening, and in
> a few
> > > recordings from the early 1940s at least, you can hear some CC-
> style
> > licks.
> > >
> > > That takes nothing away from the man. Everybody is influenced by
> > somebody
> > > else. The greatest musician is also the best listener.
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
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