Dear peter
Now you must excuse me. I didn't see your PPS and PPPS before writing
the previous message. If you honestly want to see the CC phrases in
the DR solo let's get down to it. How can we do it? Do you have a
transcription? Do you have the recording? Besides this discussion it's
really a wonderful piece of guitar playíng - one of DR's best in my view.
Yours
Ole

--- In CharlieChristian@yahoogroups.com, "bopgtrist" <bopgtrist@...>
wrote:
>
> Ole,
>
> Now, now! Play the game! Please read the original postings #2081
> onward and you'll see that you weren't put down....you conceded -
> #2087 wasn't it? Please read again the subsequent postings and
> clarify for yourself what was said on this site by myself and others.
>
> Best
>
> Peter
>
> PS My 'party piece' is a tune written by myself (entitled Merle) and
> dedicated to Merle Travis. I defy you to find any influence of Merle
> (much as I love his playing) in anything else I've ever done! And I
> played it in his style but with a plectrum 'cos I didn't know he
> played with his fingers when I wrote it! Makes you think don't it?
>
> PPS I'd like to see all of your 'bits' you reckon tie up with linking
> CC to DR.
>
> PPPS Honestly!!!
>
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> --- In CharlieChristian@yahoogroups.com, "howldk" <howlund@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi folks
> >
> > Django was before CC in any way. He was born before and started his
> > recording career long before CC. And CC knew reportedly a Django
> solo,
> > St. Louis Blues, and was able to play it note for note long before
> > Django knew anything about CC. It's also obvious that when Django
> > later tried out the electric guitar he used some of CC's very
> > recognizable licks.
> >
> > These things are more or less historical facts.
> > Now did Django have any impact on CC's playing style?
> >
> > I believe so and some years ago I tried here in this forum to argue
> > that. Unfortunately I was very much put down by mr. Broadbent and I
> > gave up trying to persuade him and to be taken seriously and for
> > personal reasons I didn't have the energy to carry on.
> >
> > I wished that someone here would take the time to check out the
> Django
> > solo, St Louis Blues, recorded September 9th 1937 with bass and
> rhythm
> > guitar as accompaniment. Get hold of it, the recording, the
> > transcription, play it, analyse it and conclude whether there's any
> > similarity between DR's solo and CC's playing.
> >
> > I have done this and I find 15 motives, licks and runs very much
> > identical with CC's and then there's the use of open strings,
> octaves
> > and primes which CC rarely but occasionally did use.
> >
> > Why don't we get down to earth and discuss actual notes and licks
> and
> > guitarpositions etc.
> >
> > Greetings
> > Ole
> >
> > --- In CharlieChristian@yahoogroups.com, "Snatch N. Grabster"
> > <snatchngrabster@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What Django Reinhardt played in 1935 was not the same as what he
> > played in
> > > 1953. Also, he wasn't working in a vacuum. He was part of a
> music
> > scene
> > > that drew a great deal of inspiration from American jazz.
> > >
> > > Django started out idolizing Louis Armstrong and the early Hot
> Club
> > > recordings certainly owe something to Joe Venuti and Eddie Lang.
> > >
> > > I'm not saying Django was influenced by Charlie Christian any more
> > than by
> > > other jazz musicians like Duke Ellington, Benny Goodman, or Artie
> > Shaw, or
> > > the later bop players. But the proof is in the listening, and in
> a few
> > > recordings from the early 1940s at least, you can hear some CC-
> style
> > licks.
> > >
> > > That takes nothing away from the man. Everybody is influenced by
> > somebody
> > > else. The greatest musician is also the best listener.
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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