Whoa there boys!
 
Come on guys. EC has played his socks off over the last few years with Steve
Winwood, has held his own on the blues tracks with Jeff Beck, played some great
stuff at CGF 2010 and has played some great solo gigs.
 
OK some of his gigs are pedestrian and tame but that's EC every tour since back
in the day has had its lame gigs.
 
This album is what it is, EC enjoying himself.
 
I for one think the fact that EC plays mandolin is fantastic (being a mandolin
player and EC fan)
 
(Please tell me it is him and not someone else!!!???)
 
OK some songs are a bit tame but it is very well done.
 
I like it and I think he has earned the right to play whatever he likes on his
albums, we don't have to buy it do we? There were plenty of opportunities to
preview it too.
.
 
On the other hand.............
 
Give the guy a break and listen to his stuff with Steve W and you'll maybe
forgive him.
 
Regards




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I was not addressing my comments to anything but the album *Clapton* (which
another Claptoholic offlist referred to as "Crapton"). I think it is great
if Eric wants to enjoy himself. That, however, does NOT in any way, shape or
form excuse his issuing a piece of trash like this. As I said before, the
ONLY redeeming aspects are the couple of blues songs, which he does a
passable and unspectacular job of, and his guitar playing, which is buried
too much in the mix a good deal of the time. If I want to listen to music
like this, I can go to my dentist's office.

To suggest that one should gloss over or ignore bad work is intellectually
dishonest to say the least.  *"This album is what it is, EC enjoying
himself."  *If you wish to be an apologist for bad music albums, help
yourself. To suggest that I was overlooking his other better recent work is
quite incorrect. All I was addressing was the album. Period.

There are probably a couple of people on this list who have been Clapton
fans longer than I have (I remember like it was yesterday being blown away
by *Got To Hurry the first time I heard it,* I bought *Fresh Cream* the week
it was released in the US, the Beano album a  month later, and saw Eric for
the first time on November 3rd 1968). I've seen him 37 times since that date
on the Cream Farewell Tour. And I can only think of two people who may have
bought more of Eric's albums than I have (Japanese and German releases,
remasters, etc). I would suggest that I know my Clapton.

Like I said, if you want to be an apologist for bad albums, help yourself.
It's an increasingly free world, thank God. But please don't take me to task
for calling *Clapton* what it is - a piece of trash. It's not a matter of
forgiving him, it's simply a matter of calling a spade a spade. I know that
Eric has a lot of good music (and maybe some great music) left in him. But
when he starts playing nostalgic, take me back to my youth nonsense like
this, pretending that it's acceptable does him an enormous disservice.

Bryan the ol' BluesFan (and the other AG)



On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Jonathan Donohoe <
donohoe_jonathan@...> wrote:

>
>
> Whoa there boys!
>
> Come on guys. EC has played his socks off over the last few years with
> Steve Winwood, has held his own on the blues tracks with Jeff Beck, played
> some great stuff at CGF 2010 and has played some great solo gigs.
>
> OK some of his gigs are pedestrian and tame but that's EC every tour since
> back in the day has had its lame gigs.
>
> This album is what it is, EC enjoying himself.
>
> I for one think the fact that EC plays mandolin is fantastic (being a
> mandolin player and EC fan)
>
> (Please tell me it is him and not someone else!!!???)
>
> OK some songs are a bit tame but it is very well done.
>
> I like it and I think he has earned the right to play whatever he likes on
> his albums, we don't have to buy it do we? There were plenty of
> opportunities to preview it too.
> .
>
> On the other hand.............
>
> Give the guy a break and listen to his stuff with Steve W and you'll maybe
> forgive him.
>
> Regards
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=324720

Eric Clapton
United Center
Chicago, Illinois
April 9, 1998

NTSC DVD-R2 / SAPO PRODUCTIONS

TRADE ONLY; NEVER FOR $ALE !!!

BTASet List:

* My father's eyes
* Pilgrim
* One chance
* River of tears
* Going down slow
* She's gone
* Tears in heaven (Acoustic)
* Layla (Acoustic)
* Change the world (Acoustic)
* Old love
* Sick and tired
* Have you ever loved a woman
* I shot the sheriff
* Wonderful tonight
* Tearing us apart
* Cocaine
* Sunshine of your love (Encore)

Band Lineup:

Eric Clapton Guitar, Vocals
Andy Fairweather Low Guitar, Vocals
Nathan East Bass, Vocals
Alan Darby Guitar, Vocals
Tim Carmon Keyboards, Vocals
Kenneth Crouch Keyboards
Ricky Lawson Drums
Katie Kissoon Backing Vocals
Chyna Backing Vocals
Charlean Hines Backing Vocals

Eric was accompanied by a 20-piece orchestra with Nick Ingman as conductor.

Geetarz Comments:

Fairly steady audience shot video of the first of EC's two performances at
Chicago's United Center in 1998.

Filmed from close in on stage left.

DVD-R1 sourced from 2nd generation VHS, Sapo Productions has syncronized the
Geetarz DVD # 227 with the soundboard (ALD) audio from Mid Valley's "Twilight"
(MVR 63/64), in both PCM (lossless) and DTS!

Technical Stuff:

Navigation:
Type: DVD
Region: None
TV System: NTSC

Video Stream:
Type: Interlaced MPEG2
Bitrate: 4.500 Mbps
Framerate: 29.970 Hz
Resolution: 704x480
Aspect ratio: 4x3

Audio Stream:
Type: Linear PCM
Bitrate: 1536 Kbps
Number of channels: 2
Sampling Frequency: 48khz
Sampling Bits: 16

Enjoy!

September, 2010

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Eric Clapton
General Motors Place
Vancouver, Canada
September 8, 1998

CD-R2 - Aud 2 (Scale 1-6)

Disc 1:

1. My Father's Eyes (cut in)
2. Pilgrim
3. One Chance
4. River of Tears
5. Going Down Slow
6. She's Gone
7. Driftin' Blues
8. Tears in Heaven
9. Layla
10. Change the World

Disc 2:

1. Old Love
2. Crossroads
3. Have You Ever Loved a Woman
4. Tearing Us Apart
5. Wonderful Tonight
6. Cocaine
7. Sunshine of Your Love

Band Lineup:

Eric Clapton Guitar, Vocals
Andy Fairweather Low Guitar, Vocals
Nathan East Bass, Vocals
Alan Darby Guitar, Vocals
Tim Carmon Keyboards, Vocals
Kenneth Crouch Keyboards
Steve Gadd Drums
Katie Kissoon Backing Vocals
Chyna Backing Vocals
Charlean Hines Backing Vocals

Geetarz Comments:

Poor audience recording.

Lineage:

Unknown AUD > CD-R > EAC v. 0.99 Prebeta 5 (Secure, Offset Correct) > FLAC

Artwork, checksums, info file, and EAC logs included.

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September, 2010

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Eric Clapton
Live in Calgary
September 10, 1998

CD-R - Aud 5/6 (Scale 1-6)

Disc 1:

1) My Father's Eyes
2) Pilgrim
3) One Chance
4) River of Tears
5) Going Down Slow
6) She's Gone
7) Drifting
8) Alberta, Alberta
9) Tears In Heaven
10) Layla
11) Change the World

Disc 2:

1) Old Love
2) Crossroads
3) Have You Ever Loved a Woman
4) Tearing Us Apart
5) Wonderful Tonight
6) Cocaine
7) Sunshine Of Your Love

Band Lineup:

Eric Clapton Guitar, Vocals
Andy Fairweather Low Guitar, Vocals
Nathan East Bass, Vocals
Alan Darby Guitar, Vocals
Tim Carmon Keyboards, Vocals
Kenneth Crouch Keyboards
Steve Gadd Drums
Katie Kissoon Backing Vocals
Chyna Backing Vocals
Charlean Hines Backing Vocals

Geetarz Comments:

Excellent sound, crisp, very clear.

Lineage:

Unknown AUD > CD-R > EAC v. 0.99 Prebeta 5 (Secure, Offset Correct) > FLAC

Artwork, checksums, info file, and EAC logs included.

Enjoy!

September, 2010

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Eric Clapton
Molson Center
Montreal, Canada
September 18, 1998

CD-R2 - Aud 4 (Scale 1-6)

Disc 1:

1) My Father's Eyes
2) Pilgrim
3) One Chance
4) River of Tears
5) Going Down Slow
6) She's Gone
7) Driftin' Blues (acoustic, solo)
8) Tears In Heaven (acoustic)
9) Layla (acoustic)
10) Change the World (acoustic)

Disc 2:

1) Old Love
2) Crossroads
3) Have You Ever Loved a Woman
4) I Shot the Sheriff
5) Wonderful Tonight
6) Cocaine
7) Before You Accuse Me (with Bonnie Raitt)

Band Lineup:

Eric Clapton Guitar, Vocals
Andy Fairweather Low Guitar, Vocals
Nathan East Bass, Vocals
Alan Darby Guitar, Vocals
Tim Carmon Keyboards, Vocals
Kenneth Crouch Keyboards
Steve Gadd Drums
Katie Kissoon Backing Vocals
Chyna Backing Vocals
Charlean Hines Backing Vocals

Geetarz Comments:

A bit boomy with a bit of distortion on the bass notes.

An "average" performance for the 1998 tour.

Lineage:

Unknown AUD > CD-R > EAC v. 0.99 Prebeta 5 (Secure, Offset Correct) > FLAC

EAC logs, info file, and checksums included.

Enjoy!

September, 2010

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Eric Clapton
"Clapton is God"
Molson Center
Montreal, Canada
September 18, 1998

Geetarz 075/076 - Aud 5+

* Alternate Source Than http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=324775
*

Disc 1:

1) My Father's Eyes
2) Pilgrim
3) One Chance
4) River of Tears
5) Going Down Slow
6) She's Gone
7) Driftin' (acoustic)
8) Tears In Heaven (acoustic
9) Layla (acoustic)
10) Change the World (acoustic)

Disc 2:

1) Old Love
2) Crossroads
3) Have You Ever Loved a Woman
4) I Shot the Sheriff
5) Wonderful Tonight
6) Cocaine
7) Before You Accuse Me (encore, with Bonnie Raitt)

Band Lineup:

Eric Clapton Guitar, Vocals
Andy Fairweather Low Guitar, Vocals
Nathan East Bass, Vocals
Alan Darby Guitar, Vocals
Tim Carmon Keyboards, Vocals
Kenneth Crouch Keyboards
Steve Gadd Drums
Katie Kissoon Backing Vocals
Chyna Backing Vocals
Charlean Hines Backing Vocals

Geetarz Comments:

Different source than "Molson Center".

This one is much clearer, and more listenable.

CD Mastering and cover art by Geetarz.

Lineage:

DAT (Mas) > DAT (clone) > Tascam DA20Mk2 > HHb CDR800 > Mitsui Silver CD-R > EAC
v. 0.99 Prebeta 5 (Secure, Offset Correct) > FLAC

Checksums, info file, and EAC logs included.

Enjoy!

~Geetarz, September 2010

www.geetarz.org

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Eric Clapton
"EC / NEC"
NEC Ampitheater
Birmingham, England
October 13, 1998

Geetarz 077/078 - Aud 5 (Scale 1-6)

Disc 1:

1) My Father's Eyes
2) Pilgrim
3) One Chance
4) River of Tears
5) Going Down Slow / She's Gone
6) Driftin'
7) Tears In Heaven
8) Layla
9) Change the World
10) Old Love

Disc 2:

1) Crossroads / Have You Ever Loved a Woman
2) I Shot the Sheriff
3) Wonderful Tonight
4) Cocaine
5) Before You Accuse Me (encore w/ Bonnie Raitt)


Band Lineup:

Eric Clapton Guitar, Vocals
Andy Fairweather Low Guitar, Vocals
Nathan East Bass, Vocals
Alan Darby Guitar, Vocals
Tim Carmon Keyboards, Vocals
Kenneth Crouch Keyboards
Steve Gadd Drums
Katie Kissoon Backing Vocals
Chyna Backing Vocals
Charlean Hines Backing Vocals

Eric was accompanied by a 20-piece orchestra with Nick Ingman as conductor.

Geetarz Comments:

CD Mastering and Cover Art by Geetarz.

Lineage:

DAT (Mas) > DAT (clone) > Tascam DA20Mk2 > HHb CDR800 > Mitsui Silver CD-R > EAC
v. 0.00 Prebeta 5 (Secure, Offset Correct) > FLAC

Even if you have this, this may be a nice upgrade for you, a secure extraction
from the CD master.

Artwork, checksums, info file, and EAC logs included.

Enjoy!

September, 2010

www.geetarz.org

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=324803

Eric Clapton
"EC! EC!"
Earl's Court
London, England

15th, 16th, and 17th October, 1998

Zigzag Records

Sound Quality: Aud 5 (Scale 1-6)

Disc 1: October 15, 1998 Part 1

1) My Father's Eyes
2) Pilgrim
3) One Chance
4) River of Tears
5) Going Down Slow
6) She's Gone
7) Driftin'
8) Tears in Heaven
9) Layla
10) Change the World

Disc 2: October 15, 1998 Part 2

1) Old Love
2) Crossroads
3) Have You Ever Loved a Woman
4) I Shot the Sheriff
5) Wonderful Tonight
6) Cocaine
7) Before You Accuse Me (Featuring Bonnie Raitt)
8) You Were There

Band Lineup:

Eric Clapton Guitar, Vocals
Andy Fairweather Low Guitar, Vocals
Nathan East Bass, Vocals
Alan Darby Guitar, Vocals
Tim Carmon Keyboards, Vocals
Kenneth Crouch Keyboards
Steve Gadd Drums
Katie Kissoon Backing Vocals
Chyna Backing Vocals
Charlean Hines Backing Vocals

Eric was accompanied by a 20-piece orchestra with Nick Ingman as conductor.

Geetarz Comments:

EC's three night residence at London's Earl's Court were for many the highlight
of his massive 1998 tour, and the shows were certainly among the handful of
"best".

The 1998 tour was likely the source of the best (average) audience recordings of
any EC tour to date, and those featured in this ZigZag boxset are certainly
representative of that high quality.

EC breaks a string in the first song, quipping "It's a good sign if I break a
string in the first number...it's going to be a good night!"

An excellent audience recording, from lights down to lights up, and recommended.

Lineage:

ZigZag Silvers > Mitsui CD-R > EAC v. 0.99 Prebeta 5 (Secure, Offset Correct) >
FLAC

Artwork, checksums, info file, and EAC logs included.

Enjoy!

~Geetarz, September 2010

www.geetarz.org

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=324805

Eric Clapton
"EC! EC!"
Earl's Court
London, England

15th, 16th, and 17th October, 1998

Zigzag Records

Sound Quality: Aud 5 (Scale 1-6)

Disc 3: October 16, 1998 Part 1

1) My Father's Eyes
2) Pilgrim
3) One Chance
4) River of Tears
5) Going Down Slow
6) She's Gone
7) Driftin'
8) Tears in Heaven
9) Layla
10) Change the World

Disc 4: October 16, 1998 Part 2

1) Old Love
2) Crossroads
3) Have You Ever Loved a Woman
4) I Shot the Sheriff
5) Wonderful Tonight
6) Cocaine
7) Every Day I Have the Blues (w/ B.B. King and Bonnie Raitt)
8) Blues Jam (w/ B.B. King and Bonnie Raitt)

Band Lineup:

Eric Clapton Guitar, Vocals
Andy Fairweather Low Guitar, Vocals
Nathan East Bass, Vocals
Alan Darby Guitar, Vocals
Tim Carmon Keyboards, Vocals
Kenneth Crouch Keyboards
Steve Gadd Drums
Katie Kissoon Backing Vocals
Chyna Backing Vocals
Charlean Hines Backing Vocals

Eric was accompanied by a 20-piece orchestra with Nick Ingman as conductor.

Geetarz Comments:

EC's three night residence at London's Earl's Court were for many the highlight
of his massive 1998 tour, and the shows were certainly among the handful of
"best".

The 1998 tour was likely the source of the best (average) audience recordings of
any EC tour to date, and those featured in this ZigZag boxset are certainly
representative of that high quality.

As evidence of how good the shows were, on the night before EC broke a string on
the first number, and on this night, echoing another great show from this tour
(Chicago II) where EC's manager walked down front, motioning his hand "down!
down!", early in the set EC quips "I hope we don't 'peak' too soon...there's
always a danger of that, you know!" (after 'One Chance')

An excellent audience recording, from lights down to lights up, and recommended.

Lineage:

ZigZag Silvers > Mitsui CD-R > EAC v. 0.99 Prebeta 5 (Secure, Offset Correct) >
FLAC

Artwork, checksums, info file, and EAC logs included.

Enjoy!

September, 2010

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Eric Clapton
"EC! EC!"
Earl's Court
London, England

15th, 16th, and 17th October, 1998

Zigzag Records

Sound Quality: Aud 5 (Scale 1-6)

Disc 5: October 17, 1998 Part 1

1) My Father's Eyes
2) Pilgrim
3) One Chance
4) River of Tears
5) Going Down Slow
6) She's Gone
7) Driftin'
8) Tears in Heaven
9) Layla
10) Change the World

Disc 6: October 17, 1998 Part 2

1) Old Love
2) Crossroads
3) Have You Ever Loved a Woman
4) I Shot the Sheriff
5) Wonderful Tonight
6) Cocaine
7) Before You Accuse Me (Featuring Bonnie Raitt)

Band Lineup:

Eric Clapton Guitar, Vocals
Andy Fairweather Low Guitar, Vocals
Nathan East Bass, Vocals
Alan Darby Guitar, Vocals
Tim Carmon Keyboards, Vocals
Kenneth Crouch Keyboards
Steve Gadd Drums
Katie Kissoon Backing Vocals
Chyna Backing Vocals
Charlean Hines Backing Vocals

Eric was accompanied by a 20-piece orchestra with Nick Ingman as conductor.

Geetarz Comments:

EC's three night residence at London's Earl's Court were for many the highlight
of his massive 1998 tour, and the shows were certainly among the handful of
"best".

The 1998 tour was likely the source of the best (average) audience recordings of
any EC tour to date, and those featured in this ZigZag boxset are certainly
representative of that high quality.

In a rare aside to the crowd, EC states "I generally don't talk too much in
concert...and I usually fear playing at home, but I just wanted to say that
these three days have been great."

An excellent audience recording, from lights down to lights up, and recommended.

Lineage:

ZigZag Silvers > Mitsui CD-R > EAC v. 0.99 Prebeta 5 (Secure, Offset Correct) >
FLAC

Artwork, checksums, info file, and EAC logs included.

Enjoy!

September, 2010

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Cream
"Macrocosm"
New York, New York
October 24-26, 2005
Mid Valley 339-344 - Aud 4 / 5

* Contrast Clause - this is a secure extraction, with EAC logs, of the same
material at:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=324799
* End Contrast Clause *

Disc 1: October 24, 2005

1. I'm So Glad
2. Spoonful
3. Outside Woman Blues
4. Pressed Rat and Warthog
5. Sleepy Time Time
6. Tales of Brave Ulysses
7. NSU
8. Badge
9. Politician
10. Sweet Wine
11. Rollin' and Tumblin'

Disc 2: October 24, 2005

1. Stormy Monday
2. Deserted Cities of the Heart
3. Born Under a Bad Sign
4. We're Going Wrong
5. Crossroads
6. Sitting on Top of the World
7. White Room
8. Toad
9. Sunshine of Your Love

LINEAGE:

SILVERS > EAC (SECURE MODE, OFFSET CORRECT) > FLAC

Thanks to a friend who shall remain nameless (unless he cares to name himself).

Artwork, checksums (*), info file, and EAC logs included.

(*) Original .ffp files included, I have also generated a whole-torrent MD5.

Enjoy!

September, 2010

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Cream
"Macrocosm"
New York, New York
October 24-26, 2005
Mid Valley 339-344 - Aud 4 / 5

* Contrast Clause:
This MV release is a lightly remastered / EQ'd version of the recording
originally uploaded on Dime:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=65843
* End Contrast Clause *

Disc 3: October 25, 2005

1. I'm So Glad
2. Spoonful
3. Outside Woman Blues
4. Pressed Rat and Warthog
5. Sleepy Time Time
6. Tales of Brave Ulysses
7. NSU
8. Badge
9. Politician
10. Sweet Wine
11. Rollin' and Tumblin'

Disc 4: October 25, 2005

1. Stormy Monday
2. Deserted Cities of the Heart
3. Born Under a Bad Sign
4. We're Going Wrong
5. Crossroads
6. Sitting on Top of the World
7. White Room
8. Toad
9. Sunshine of Your Love

LINEAGE:

SILVERS > EAC (SECURE MODE, OFFSET CORRECT) > FLAC

Thanks to a friend who shall remain nameless (unless he cares to name himself).

Artwork, checksums (*), info file, and EAC logs included.

(*) Original .ffp files included, I have also generated a whole-torrent MD5.

Enjoy!

September, 2010

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http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/ClaptonBoots/

Visit the new Eric Clapton Wiki at:

http://www.ericclaptonwiki.com/index.php?title=Concert_Dates_and_Information


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End of status report

It's a lie.

There will be no "Macrocosm (3) [Secure Rip]".

Unless, of course, anyone would like a trade.

Available for trade, via secure FTP and/or snail mail.

Most uncirculated, at least with this lineage and quality:

-------------

Geetarz Torrents 0336:
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-15 - London, England - NTSC DVD (Geetarz 242)

Geetarz Torrents 0337:
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-16 - London, England - NTSC DVD (Geetarz 243)

Geetarz Torrents 0338:
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-17 - London, England - NTSC DVD (Geetarz 244)

Geetarz Torrents 0339:
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-19 - Munich, Germany
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-20 - Frankfurt, Germany
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-23 - Bologna, Italy (master)
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-26 - Barcelona, Spain
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-27 - Marseille, France - Le Dome 1998 [Source 2]
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-27 - Marseille, France - Tournee 1998 [Source 1]
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-29 - Paris, France

-------------

Aren't you curious about the different Marseille recordings, how to distinguish
them, and how to tell which one YOU may have?  I'll leave it to the wonderful
"Zomb Type" uploaders to explain the differences to you, with their bad
extractions, no logs, bastardized lineage, butchered English, and various and
sundry other abuses.

You all reap what you sow.  Everyone claims (privately) how important lineage,
secure extractions, etc. are, but in practice, it's like this new album, EC
could take a crap in a box and send it out and the majority of people will fall
all over themselves saying "thanks". The fact that so many people refuse to be
HONEST with EC, is what allows him to churn out this kind of drek.

When you, as a downloader, won't speak up and insist on secure extractions, on
proper lineage, on logfiles, and the like ... it's YOU who are responsible for
the crap that is spread around.  Just as "we get the government that we deserve"
if people aren't involved, on the torrent sites, Ye Reap What Ye Sow.  So, go
fall all over the "latest and greatest" upload, and make sure you put on the
knee pads before the blowjob, "thanking" for all the CRAP that is out there,
with no logs, no lineage.  Make sure you swallow.

In the meantime, if anyone would like a TRADE, and has something to offer,
please contact me privately.

~G

--- In ClaptonBoots@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Reid <humblephoenix@...> wrote:
>
> I'm amused at both the discussion here and the reviews this "album" is
> getting.
>
Hey,
  This is a very interesting discussion.....I whole heartily agree with Bryan!
Clapton's "Best" stuff is before his solo years....As of late his stuff has been
ho hum. I saw EC and Jeff Beck on tour together and I must say EC got lit up
onstage by Jeff just like EC got lit up by the "True Guitar God Himself"....Jimi
Hendrix back at the Polytechnic.
  EC is tired and his music and playing shows it. The best gig was EC and Steve
at MSG for the "supposedly" 3 off concerts. After seeing EC as of late, he needs
to hang it up...Retire already....
  Thanks,
  Eric in Ny





> It is quite possibly, IMHO, the worst album Clapton has ever done. Nostalgia
> is a wonderful thing but that doesn't mean you inflict it on everyone you
> know. Indeed, nostalgia is usually a personal experience because the things
> that make me nostalgic won't necessarily make you nostalgic and vice versa.
>
> Song selection - all over the board. The only thing that connects these
> songs is that Eric grew up listening to them on the radio. Sorry, that isn't
> how you select songs for an album.
>
> Arrangements - as befitting covers of old songs. That does not necessarily
> translate into good songs for Eric to either play or sing.
>
> Production - Eric's albums for quite some time have suffered from
> over-production. This album not only continues that "tradition" but takes it
> to new depths.
>
> Singing - In an interview promoting this album, Eric said he hated his
> singing on it. His singing really does sound bad but it's the songs
> themselves, the arrangements and the production that really is at fault.
>
> The only, and I do mean only, things that do anything to redeem this album
> are the couple of blues songs, which are passably rendered, and Eric's
> guitar playing, which is excellent. His guitar playing, however, is so
> over-shadowed by the songs themselves and the production that it is hard to
> appreciate it.
>
> I recently picked up a Japanese remaster of Journeyman, which has been
> getting heavy play in the house and car. "Clapton" sounds godawful compared
> to that album.
>
> Bottom line, this CD is likely headed for eBay.
>
> And Eric, leave this kind of stuff to Rod Stewart, who can pull it off, and
> stick to what you do best, which is blues and rock & roll. Putting out
> something like this should be beneath you.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Good point, Eric.

One of the frustrating aspects of Clapton is that he very often (not always)
plays to the level of the people he is playing with. I have just about
finished my collection of his guest appearances, and it's very educational.
Put him with top flight musicians and artists like Beck, Stevie and the
like, and you're pretty much guaranteed to get EC at his best. Put him with
a bunch of second or third stringers and...  well it usually isn't anything
to write home about. Eric also is somewhat lazy (he's admitted this numerous
times over the years). Give him someone who's going to really push and
challenge him, and you get him at his best. Even though he's got some top
flight players guesting, he is just self-indulgently noodling around
aimlessly. I will bet you that no one said to him, "Eric, what the hell are
you trying to accomplish here?"

On his own website he said:

"This album wasn’t what it was intended to be at all," says Eric Clapton.
"It’s actually better than it was meant to be because, in a way, I just let
it happen. It’s an eclectic collection of songs that weren’t really on the
map—and I like it so much because if it’s a surprise to the fans, that’s
only because it’s a surprise to me, as well."

If that doesn't support what I just said, I don't know what it does say.

The problem with Eric is he is surrounded by sycophants. What he needs is a
creative director (or a good friend) who will challenge him, second-guess
him, and won't be afraid to say "Eric, that's a piece of shit. What the hell
are you thinking?" But he doesn't and thus we end up with things like
"Clapton".



On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:55 AM, eric <whitewaterfishhead@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> --- In ClaptonBoots@yahoogroups.com <ClaptonBoots%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Bryan Reid <humblephoenix@...> wrote:
> >
> > I'm amused at both the discussion here and the reviews this "album" is
> > getting.
> >
> Hey,
> This is a very interesting discussion.....I whole heartily agree with
> Bryan! Clapton's "Best" stuff is before his solo years....As of late his
> stuff has been ho hum. I saw EC and Jeff Beck on tour together and I must
> say EC got lit up onstage by Jeff just like EC got lit up by the "True
> Guitar God Himself"....Jimi Hendrix back at the Polytechnic.
> EC is tired and his music and playing shows it. The best gig was EC and
> Steve at MSG for the "supposedly" 3 off concerts. After seeing EC as of
> late, he needs to hang it up...Retire already....
> Thanks,
> Eric in Ny
>
>
> > It is quite possibly, IMHO, the worst album Clapton has ever done.
> Nostalgia
> > is a wonderful thing but that doesn't mean you inflict it on everyone you
> > know. Indeed, nostalgia is usually a personal experience because the
> things
> > that make me nostalgic won't necessarily make you nostalgic and vice
> versa.
> >
> > Song selection - all over the board. The only thing that connects these
> > songs is that Eric grew up listening to them on the radio. Sorry, that
> isn't
> > how you select songs for an album.
> >
> > Arrangements - as befitting covers of old songs. That does not
> necessarily
> > translate into good songs for Eric to either play or sing.
> >
> > Production - Eric's albums for quite some time have suffered from
> > over-production. This album not only continues that "tradition" but takes
> it
> > to new depths.
> >
> > Singing - In an interview promoting this album, Eric said he hated his
> > singing on it. His singing really does sound bad but it's the songs
> > themselves, the arrangements and the production that really is at fault.
> >
> > The only, and I do mean only, things that do anything to redeem this
> album
> > are the couple of blues songs, which are passably rendered, and Eric's
> > guitar playing, which is excellent. His guitar playing, however, is so
> > over-shadowed by the songs themselves and the production that it is hard
> to
> > appreciate it.
> >
> > I recently picked up a Japanese remaster of Journeyman, which has been
> > getting heavy play in the house and car. "Clapton" sounds godawful
> compared
> > to that album.
> >
> > Bottom line, this CD is likely headed for eBay.
> >
> > And Eric, leave this kind of stuff to Rod Stewart, who can pull it off,
> and
> > stick to what you do best, which is blues and rock & roll. Putting out
> > something like this should be beneath you.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think that you nailed it - "The problem with Eric is he is surrounded by
sycophants. What he needs is a creative director (or a good friend) who will
challenge him, second-guess him, and won't be afraid to say "Eric, that's a
piece of shit. What the hell are you thinking?" But he doesn't and thus we end
up with things like "Clapton". Mel

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This is a very interesting conversation...good points made by all...and to think
that just a week ago, many, mostly on the SD Digest, were complaining that they
wanted more of the new stuff (bonus tracks).

--- In ClaptonBoots@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Reid <humblephoenix@...> wrote:
>
> Good point, Eric.
>
> One of the frustrating aspects of Clapton is that he very often (not always)
> plays to the level of the people he is playing with. I have just about
> finished my collection of his guest appearances, and it's very educational.
> Put him with top flight musicians and artists like Beck, Stevie and the
> like, and you're pretty much guaranteed to get EC at his best. Put him with
> a bunch of second or third stringers and...  well it usually isn't anything
> to write home about. Eric also is somewhat lazy (he's admitted this numerous
> times over the years). Give him someone who's going to really push and
> challenge him, and you get him at his best. Even though he's got some top
> flight players guesting, he is just self-indulgently noodling around
> aimlessly. I will bet you that no one said to him, "Eric, what the hell are
> you trying to accomplish here?"
>
> On his own website he said:
>
> "This album wasn't what it was intended to be at all," says Eric Clapton.
> "It's actually better than it was meant to be because, in a way, I just let
> it happen. It's an eclectic collection of songs that weren't really on the
> map—and I like it so much because if it's a surprise to the fans, that's
> only because it's a surprise to me, as well."
>
> If that doesn't support what I just said, I don't know what it does say.
>
> The problem with Eric is he is surrounded by sycophants. What he needs is a
> creative director (or a good friend) who will challenge him, second-guess
> him, and won't be afraid to say "Eric, that's a piece of shit. What the hell
> are you thinking?" But he doesn't and thus we end up with things like
> "Clapton".
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:55 AM, eric <whitewaterfishhead@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In ClaptonBoots@yahoogroups.com <ClaptonBoots%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Bryan Reid <humblephoenix@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm amused at both the discussion here and the reviews this "album" is
> > > getting.
> > >
> > Hey,
> > This is a very interesting discussion.....I whole heartily agree with
> > Bryan! Clapton's "Best" stuff is before his solo years....As of late his
> > stuff has been ho hum. I saw EC and Jeff Beck on tour together and I must
> > say EC got lit up onstage by Jeff just like EC got lit up by the "True
> > Guitar God Himself"....Jimi Hendrix back at the Polytechnic.
> > EC is tired and his music and playing shows it. The best gig was EC and
> > Steve at MSG for the "supposedly" 3 off concerts. After seeing EC as of
> > late, he needs to hang it up...Retire already....
> > Thanks,
> > Eric in Ny
> >
> >
> > > It is quite possibly, IMHO, the worst album Clapton has ever done.
> > Nostalgia
> > > is a wonderful thing but that doesn't mean you inflict it on everyone you
> > > know. Indeed, nostalgia is usually a personal experience because the
> > things
> > > that make me nostalgic won't necessarily make you nostalgic and vice
> > versa.
> > >
> > > Song selection - all over the board. The only thing that connects these
> > > songs is that Eric grew up listening to them on the radio. Sorry, that
> > isn't
> > > how you select songs for an album.
> > >
> > > Arrangements - as befitting covers of old songs. That does not
> > necessarily
> > > translate into good songs for Eric to either play or sing.
> > >
> > > Production - Eric's albums for quite some time have suffered from
> > > over-production. This album not only continues that "tradition" but takes
> > it
> > > to new depths.
> > >
> > > Singing - In an interview promoting this album, Eric said he hated his
> > > singing on it. His singing really does sound bad but it's the songs
> > > themselves, the arrangements and the production that really is at fault.
> > >
> > > The only, and I do mean only, things that do anything to redeem this
> > album
> > > are the couple of blues songs, which are passably rendered, and Eric's
> > > guitar playing, which is excellent. His guitar playing, however, is so
> > > over-shadowed by the songs themselves and the production that it is hard
> > to
> > > appreciate it.
> > >
> > > I recently picked up a Japanese remaster of Journeyman, which has been
> > > getting heavy play in the house and car. "Clapton" sounds godawful
> > compared
> > > to that album.
> > >
> > > Bottom line, this CD is likely headed for eBay.
> > >
> > > And Eric, leave this kind of stuff to Rod Stewart, who can pull it off,
> > and
> > > stick to what you do best, which is blues and rock & roll. Putting out
> > > something like this should be beneath you.
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

It's just an album for himself. After nearly fifty years of career he has the
right to do or not?




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The whole problem, really - nostalgia just ain't what it used to be.

I don't mind about half the songs. It will be interesting to see how many of
them surface in a live setting - I think there is potential for a number of them
to turn out well.

As has been mentioned in discussion elsewhere, let's not forget the guy is in
his 60's, it is reasonable that his tastes have changed, since "his heyday in
the 60's", and he probably has earned the right to be somewhat self-indulgent.

I'd just suggest that he keep on seeking out old colleagues / collaborators,
because, of his recent non-live output, those are the albums I find more
listenable.

Woff

--- In ClaptonBoots@yahoogroups.com, "bbanderic" <bbanderic@...> wrote:
>
> This is a very interesting conversation...good points made by all...and to
think that just a week ago, many, mostly on the SD Digest, were complaining that
they wanted more of the new stuff (bonus tracks).
>
> --- In ClaptonBoots@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Reid <humblephoenix@> wrote:
> >
> > Good point, Eric.
> >
> > One of the frustrating aspects of Clapton is that he very often (not always)
> > plays to the level of the people he is playing with. I have just about
> > finished my collection of his guest appearances, and it's very educational.
> > Put him with top flight musicians and artists like Beck, Stevie and the
> > like, and you're pretty much guaranteed to get EC at his best. Put him with
> > a bunch of second or third stringers and...  well it usually isn't anything
> > to write home about. Eric also is somewhat lazy (he's admitted this numerous
> > times over the years). Give him someone who's going to really push and
> > challenge him, and you get him at his best. Even though he's got some top
> > flight players guesting, he is just self-indulgently noodling around
> > aimlessly. I will bet you that no one said to him, "Eric, what the hell are
> > you trying to accomplish here?"
> >
> > On his own website he said:
> >
> > "This album wasn't what it was intended to be at all," says Eric Clapton.
> > "It's actually better than it was meant to be because, in a way, I just let
> > it happen. It's an eclectic collection of songs that weren't really on the
> > map—and I like it so much because if it's a surprise to the fans, that's
> > only because it's a surprise to me, as well."
> >
> > If that doesn't support what I just said, I don't know what it does say.
> >
> > The problem with Eric is he is surrounded by sycophants. What he needs is a
> > creative director (or a good friend) who will challenge him, second-guess
> > him, and won't be afraid to say "Eric, that's a piece of shit. What the hell
> > are you thinking?" But he doesn't and thus we end up with things like
> > "Clapton".
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:55 AM, eric <whitewaterfishhead@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In ClaptonBoots@yahoogroups.com <ClaptonBoots%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Bryan Reid <humblephoenix@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm amused at both the discussion here and the reviews this "album" is
> > > > getting.
> > > >
> > > Hey,
> > > This is a very interesting discussion.....I whole heartily agree with
> > > Bryan! Clapton's "Best" stuff is before his solo years....As of late his
> > > stuff has been ho hum. I saw EC and Jeff Beck on tour together and I must
> > > say EC got lit up onstage by Jeff just like EC got lit up by the "True
> > > Guitar God Himself"....Jimi Hendrix back at the Polytechnic.
> > > EC is tired and his music and playing shows it. The best gig was EC and
> > > Steve at MSG for the "supposedly" 3 off concerts. After seeing EC as of
> > > late, he needs to hang it up...Retire already....
> > > Thanks,
> > > Eric in Ny
> > >
> > >
> > > > It is quite possibly, IMHO, the worst album Clapton has ever done.
> > > Nostalgia
> > > > is a wonderful thing but that doesn't mean you inflict it on everyone
you
> > > > know. Indeed, nostalgia is usually a personal experience because the
> > > things
> > > > that make me nostalgic won't necessarily make you nostalgic and vice
> > > versa.
> > > >
> > > > Song selection - all over the board. The only thing that connects these
> > > > songs is that Eric grew up listening to them on the radio. Sorry, that
> > > isn't
> > > > how you select songs for an album.
> > > >
> > > > Arrangements - as befitting covers of old songs. That does not
> > > necessarily
> > > > translate into good songs for Eric to either play or sing.
> > > >
> > > > Production - Eric's albums for quite some time have suffered from
> > > > over-production. This album not only continues that "tradition" but
takes
> > > it
> > > > to new depths.
> > > >
> > > > Singing - In an interview promoting this album, Eric said he hated his
> > > > singing on it. His singing really does sound bad but it's the songs
> > > > themselves, the arrangements and the production that really is at fault.
> > > >
> > > > The only, and I do mean only, things that do anything to redeem this
> > > album
> > > > are the couple of blues songs, which are passably rendered, and Eric's
> > > > guitar playing, which is excellent. His guitar playing, however, is so
> > > > over-shadowed by the songs themselves and the production that it is hard
> > > to
> > > > appreciate it.
> > > >
> > > > I recently picked up a Japanese remaster of Journeyman, which has been
> > > > getting heavy play in the house and car. "Clapton" sounds godawful
> > > compared
> > > > to that album.
> > > >
> > > > Bottom line, this CD is likely headed for eBay.
> > > >
> > > > And Eric, leave this kind of stuff to Rod Stewart, who can pull it off,
> > > and
> > > > stick to what you do best, which is blues and rock & roll. Putting out
> > > > something like this should be beneath you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

I'm saddened to see Mr. Geetarz become upset with the torrenting community.

There are those of us who do try to acquire and trade only quality material. It
may just be that not many have the level of sophistication and time necessary to
be responsible about such things.

I, and I'm sure many others, are very grateful to Mr. Geetarz for his efforts. I
know my trading list is many times better because of his generosity.

-Edgar
db.etree.org/pimpachu2001



To: ClaptonBoots@yahoogroups.com
From: almighty_geetarz@...
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 14:59:32 +0000
Subject: [ClaptonBoots] BTA: "Macrocosm" (3) [Secure Rip]






It's a lie.

There will be no "Macrocosm (3) [Secure Rip]".

Unless, of course, anyone would like a trade.

Available for trade, via secure FTP and/or snail mail.

Most uncirculated, at least with this lineage and quality:

-------------

Geetarz Torrents 0336:
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-15 - London, England - NTSC DVD (Geetarz 242)

Geetarz Torrents 0337:
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-16 - London, England - NTSC DVD (Geetarz 243)

Geetarz Torrents 0338:
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-17 - London, England - NTSC DVD (Geetarz 244)

Geetarz Torrents 0339:
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-19 - Munich, Germany
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-20 - Frankfurt, Germany
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-23 - Bologna, Italy (master)
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-26 - Barcelona, Spain
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-27 - Marseille, France - Le Dome 1998 [Source 2]
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-27 - Marseille, France - Tournee 1998 [Source 1]
Eric Clapton - 1998-10-29 - Paris, France

-------------

Aren't you curious about the different Marseille recordings, how to distinguish
them, and how to tell which one YOU may have? I'll leave it to the wonderful
"Zomb Type" uploaders to explain the differences to you, with their bad
extractions, no logs, bastardized lineage, butchered English, and various and
sundry other abuses.

You all reap what you sow. Everyone claims (privately) how important lineage,
secure extractions, etc. are, but in practice, it's like this new album, EC
could take a crap in a box and send it out and the majority of people will fall
all over themselves saying "thanks". The fact that so many people refuse to be
HONEST with EC, is what allows him to churn out this kind of drek.

When you, as a downloader, won't speak up and insist on secure extractions, on
proper lineage, on logfiles, and the like ... it's YOU who are responsible for
the crap that is spread around. Just as "we get the government that we deserve"
if people aren't involved, on the torrent sites, Ye Reap What Ye Sow. So, go
fall all over the "latest and greatest" upload, and make sure you put on the
knee pads before the blowjob, "thanking" for all the CRAP that is out there,
with no logs, no lineage. Make sure you swallow.

In the meantime, if anyone would like a TRADE, and has something to offer,
please contact me privately.

~G





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think, Clapton is preparing for a career as a sidewalk jazz/ragtime musician
for summer festivals.  He would have fit right in at Saratoga during the Travers
festival and race day.  With Milkman and Somebody Thinks Your Wonderful... he
would have been a hit.

But, at weeks end, he has sold tons of CD's, climbed the charts, and, right, all
for a CD that will end up on Ebay. Once again, we settle for a mellow album and
long for Journeyman...

Must be nice to be in a position in life to make those non-chalant decisions.

Justin


To: ClaptonBoots@yahoogroups.com
From: woff@...
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 20:19:43 +0000
Subject: [ClaptonBoots] Re: "CLAPTON"






The whole problem, really - nostalgia just ain't what it used to be.

I don't mind about half the songs. It will be interesting to see how many of
them surface in a live setting - I think there is potential for a number of them
to turn out well.

As has been mentioned in discussion elsewhere, let's not forget the guy is in
his 60's, it is reasonable that his tastes have changed, since "his heyday in
the 60's", and he probably has earned the right to be somewhat self-indulgent.

I'd just suggest that he keep on seeking out old colleagues / collaborators,
because, of his recent non-live output, those are the albums I find more
listenable.

Woff

--- In ClaptonBoots@yahoogroups.com, "bbanderic" <bbanderic@...> wrote:
>
> This is a very interesting conversation...good points made by all...and to
think that just a week ago, many, mostly on the SD Digest, were complaining that
they wanted more of the new stuff (bonus tracks).
>
> --- In ClaptonBoots@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Reid <humblephoenix@> wrote:
> >
> > Good point, Eric.
> >
> > One of the frustrating aspects of Clapton is that he very often (not always)
> > plays to the level of the people he is playing with. I have just about
> > finished my collection of his guest appearances, and it's very educational.
> > Put him with top flight musicians and artists like Beck, Stevie and the
> > like, and you're pretty much guaranteed to get EC at his best. Put him with
> > a bunch of second or third stringers and... well it usually isn't anything
> > to write home about. Eric also is somewhat lazy (he's admitted this numerous
> > times over the years). Give him someone who's going to really push and
> > challenge him, and you get him at his best. Even though he's got some top
> > flight players guesting, he is just self-indulgently noodling around
> > aimlessly. I will bet you that no one said to him, "Eric, what the hell are
> > you trying to accomplish here?"
> >
> > On his own website he said:
> >
> > "This album wasn't what it was intended to be at all," says Eric Clapton.
> > "It's actually better than it was meant to be because, in a way, I just let
> > it happen. It's an eclectic collection of songs that weren't really on the
> > map—and I like it so much because if it's a surprise to the fans, that's
> > only because it's a surprise to me, as well."
> >
> > If that doesn't support what I just said, I don't know what it does say.
> >
> > The problem with Eric is he is surrounded by sycophants. What he needs is a
> > creative director (or a good friend) who will challenge him, second-guess
> > him, and won't be afraid to say "Eric, that's a piece of shit. What the hell
> > are you thinking?" But he doesn't and thus we end up with things like
> > "Clapton".
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:55 AM, eric <whitewaterfishhead@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In ClaptonBoots@yahoogroups.com <ClaptonBoots%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Bryan Reid <humblephoenix@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm amused at both the discussion here and the reviews this "album" is
> > > > getting.
> > > >
> > > Hey,
> > > This is a very interesting discussion.....I whole heartily agree with
> > > Bryan! Clapton's "Best" stuff is before his solo years....As of late his
> > > stuff has been ho hum. I saw EC and Jeff Beck on tour together and I must
> > > say EC got lit up onstage by Jeff just like EC got lit up by the "True
> > > Guitar God Himself"....Jimi Hendrix back at the Polytechnic.
> > > EC is tired and his music and playing shows it. The best gig was EC and
> > > Steve at MSG for the "supposedly" 3 off concerts. After seeing EC as of
> > > late, he needs to hang it up...Retire already....
> > > Thanks,
> > > Eric in Ny
> > >
> > >
> > > > It is quite possibly, IMHO, the worst album Clapton has ever done.
> > > Nostalgia
> > > > is a wonderful thing but that doesn't mean you inflict it on everyone
you
> > > > know. Indeed, nostalgia is usually a personal experience because the
> > > things
> > > > that make me nostalgic won't necessarily make you nostalgic and vice
> > > versa.
> > > >
> > > > Song selection - all over the board. The only thing that connects these
> > > > songs is that Eric grew up listening to them on the radio. Sorry, that
> > > isn't
> > > > how you select songs for an album.
> > > >
> > > > Arrangements - as befitting covers of old songs. That does not
> > > necessarily
> > > > translate into good songs for Eric to either play or sing.
> > > >
> > > > Production - Eric's albums for quite some time have suffered from
> > > > over-production. This album not only continues that "tradition" but
takes
> > > it
> > > > to new depths.
> > > >
> > > > Singing - In an interview promoting this album, Eric said he hated his
> > > > singing on it. His singing really does sound bad but it's the songs
> > > > themselves, the arrangements and the production that really is at fault.
> > > >
> > > > The only, and I do mean only, things that do anything to redeem this
> > > album
> > > > are the couple of blues songs, which are passably rendered, and Eric's
> > > > guitar playing, which is excellent. His guitar playing, however, is so
> > > > over-shadowed by the songs themselves and the production that it is hard
> > > to
> > > > appreciate it.
> > > >
> > > > I recently picked up a Japanese remaster of Journeyman, which has been
> > > > getting heavy play in the house and car. "Clapton" sounds godawful
> > > compared
> > > > to that album.
> > > >
> > > > Bottom line, this CD is likely headed for eBay.
> > > >
> > > > And Eric, leave this kind of stuff to Rod Stewart, who can pull it off,
> > > and
> > > > stick to what you do best, which is blues and rock & roll. Putting out
> > > > something like this should be beneath you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>





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I completely agree with Edgar Hermosillo´s comments, in our torrent sharing
community Geetarz is a quality guarantee without discussion.


Heberto



On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Edgar Hermosillo
<pimpachu2001@...>wrote:

>
>
>
> I'm saddened to see Mr. Geetarz become upset with the torrenting community.
>
> There are those of us who do try to acquire and trade only quality
> material. It may just be that not many have the level of sophistication and
> time necessary to be responsible about such things.
>
> I, and I'm sure many others, are very grateful to Mr. Geetarz for his
> efforts. I know my trading list is many times better because of his
> generosity.
>
> -Edgar
> db.etree.org/pimpachu2001
>
>
> To: ClaptonBoots@yahoogroups.com <ClaptonBoots%40yahoogroups.com>
> From: almighty_geetarz@... <almighty_geetarz%40yahoo.com>
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 14:59:32 +0000
> Subject: [ClaptonBoots] BTA: "Macrocosm" (3) [Secure Rip]
>
>
> It's a lie.
>
> There will be no "Macrocosm (3) [Secure Rip]".
>
> Unless, of course, anyone would like a trade.
>
> Available for trade, via secure FTP and/or snail mail.
>
> Most uncirculated, at least with this lineage and quality:
>
> -------------
>
> Geetarz Torrents 0336:
> Eric Clapton - 1998-10-15 - London, England - NTSC DVD (Geetarz 242)
>
> Geetarz Torrents 0337:
> Eric Clapton - 1998-10-16 - London, England - NTSC DVD (Geetarz 243)
>
> Geetarz Torrents 0338:
> Eric Clapton - 1998-10-17 - London, England - NTSC DVD (Geetarz 244)
>
> Geetarz Torrents 0339:
> Eric Clapton - 1998-10-19 - Munich, Germany
> Eric Clapton - 1998-10-20 - Frankfurt, Germany
> Eric Clapton - 1998-10-23 - Bologna, Italy (master)
> Eric Clapton - 1998-10-26 - Barcelona, Spain
> Eric Clapton - 1998-10-27 - Marseille, France - Le Dome 1998 [Source 2]
> Eric Clapton - 1998-10-27 - Marseille, France - Tournee 1998 [Source 1]
> Eric Clapton - 1998-10-29 - Paris, France
>
> -------------
>
> Aren't you curious about the different Marseille recordings, how to
> distinguish them, and how to tell which one YOU may have? I'll leave it to
> the wonderful "Zomb Type" uploaders to explain the differences to you, with
> their bad extractions, no logs, bastardized lineage, butchered English, and
> various and sundry other abuses.
>
> You all reap what you sow. Everyone claims (privately) how important
> lineage, secure extractions, etc. are, but in practice, it's like this new
> album, EC could take a crap in a box and send it out and the majority of
> people will fall all over themselves saying "thanks". The fact that so many
> people refuse to be HONEST with EC, is what allows him to churn out this
> kind of drek.
>
> When you, as a downloader, won't speak up and insist on secure extractions,
> on proper lineage, on logfiles, and the like ... it's YOU who are
> responsible for the crap that is spread around. Just as "we get the
> government that we deserve" if people aren't involved, on the torrent sites,
> Ye Reap What Ye Sow. So, go fall all over the "latest and greatest" upload,
> and make sure you put on the knee pads before the blowjob, "thanking" for
> all the CRAP that is out there, with no logs, no lineage. Make sure you
> swallow.
>
> In the meantime, if anyone would like a TRADE, and has something to offer,
> please contact me privately.
>
> ~G
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Hi all,
Good discussion and some opinions that resonate with me fully. And yet another
thought is recurring when I read how 'lame' or poor this recording is.  Let me
say up front I have only heard the disc on line as the local Best Buy is sold
our and Amazon has not delivered the disc yet.  With that said this may not be
as accurate technically as others, and the prose may not be as smooth as others
can supply.  But this could be just one's opinion of the fact life does hold
more than one facet.

A bit of background.  I have had the privilege to be associated with the local
music scene for the past 30-35 years and have photographed groups, fixed amps,
partied with band members and been backstage at countless concerts.  BY no means
am I part of the day-to-day make your living kind of association but still close
enough to see the angst of another group getting the gig your band wanted.  The
auditions that came to not.  The politics of the record companies along with the
song played for the first time that the band nailed.  The nights whene nothing
went right and when every song was perfect and nothing went wrong.  The highs
and the lows of life in music carries with it that same emotion existence that
life in a factory or an office holds for all the others. 


I took a decade or decade and a half to raise a family, care for parents and
generally think I was too busy to make time for the local scene.  Well, family

 is mostly able to care for itself so time is not in demand as much as it was a
couple of years ago.  Time to look up some old friends and see what they are up
to.  A friend told me a couple friends (players) are in a band now playing a
local establishment regularly.  Stopped by to see them one evening.  It was
fantastic!!!!  Few 'old guys' playing music and having some fun.  Nothing
pretentious or hurried but playing music for the fun of it.  My friends have
d'day jobs' so even though they are paid to play (should say I do not know if
they are paid or not) it was great to see all the stress of performing for the
crowd gone and music played like it was played in the backyards or after hours
clubs when it was just 'us'.  Like it happens all around the world. 


The thought is this.  My friends were playing music for the pure enjoyment of
it.  Maybe EC is doing the same here.  Just playing without regard to selling
this number of units or caring if the masses like this particular disc (remember
"There's One In Every Crowd" or "EC Was Here").  I could be wrong -- remember my
only experience is sitting at my PC listening to the album on the speakers
attached -- but for one I liked the feel of this music.  It does not inspire me
to go find a mate for life (Sunshine of Your Love) or tell me that life is cruel
(Tears in Heaven) or even things are fun (any number of his tunes).... but it
does fit into the realm of music I will listen to.  Maybe this is a lame defense
of this effort but it is what it is...

...just my 02.

Back to regularly scheduled activities and events

Cheers
Ed




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Hello everybody,

It is not posible to have our favorite musician to play always the music we
like most. If he enjoys playing old mellow songs, I can not blame him for
that, although I must confess that I like this new album (CLAPTON), even if
he is not playing the music I love to listen to. We must be grateful for
having him still around touring and playing most of the time great music,
even if it is not the music we enjoy most.

That is in my personal opinion.

Take care
Heberto


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This is an interesting discussion.  I'm a long-time EC fan (1966) and like a
lot his different output - sometimes it's vintage live Cream or D&tD and
other times it's "Crying" or "May You Never" or Pilgrim.  The 30-second
clips from "Clapton" didn't make me want to rush out and buy the album.  I
hardly ever listen Back Home complete but absolutely love the quiet title
track with its revealing lyrics and "One Day" with some of his best studio
soloing.  (Why he has never done this song live, I cannot understand.)

As several folks have mentioned, EC seems to please us hard-core fans much
more with live performances than studio work these days.  But even live, I
find some wide differences.  I absolutely loved all three EC / SW shows at
MSG in February 2008 but was underwhelmed by the EC / Jeff Beck show I saw
here in Montreal this year.

Which brings up an interesting point.  Many folks seem to feel EC needs
someone to push him to create his best performances.  One can certainly
point to the Winwood collaboration as a great example.  But I felt with Jeff
Beck, EC deferred much too much to Jeff.  I wonder if he feels their very
different styles don't mesh.

One collaboration I have always loved is the guitar interplay between EC and
Albert Lee on "The Shape You're In" performances from the 1983 tour.  I did
feel EC did do this with Jeff Beck on their performance of "Cause We've
Ended As Lovers" from the Crossroads 2004 Festival (unlike his deferred
approach to the three songs they did together at the Secret Policeman's Ball
in the early 1980s).  Or with Mark Knopfler on "I Think I Love You Too Much"
from the Knebworth 1990 show.  EC has stated that he was pushed by the
East/Phillinganes/Ferrone-Collins band of the late 80s / early 90s and these
are some of my favorite shows.  And certainly the Cream 2005 Reunion shows
with EC pushed by Jack and Ginger.  Of course, EC made the revealing comment
that it was very hard work since there was no other guitarist or keyboard
player.

I do think in recent years, we get EC's best performances in one-off events
and / or ones where there are other big names playing - e.g. the Dylan
Tribute performance of "Don't Think Twice", the Hyde Park 1996 show, the
Cream Reunion and the shows with SW at MSG (no tour at that time - just
three shows).

So, it's all a mystery.  I guess we have to be thankful that we still get
nuggets often in live performances and the occasional studio one.

Richard


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http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7217017/

Sound familiar?

~G

i agree 1000%
its gonna be a drag when hes gone--then there leaves only 2--beck and page--
***JOE~T*ENGLISHBLUESMAN***


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76jsTwEoLJY




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A couple observations:

1) People bring up EC's age, that's a crutch.  Age is what you make it.  There
are people who are 80 and decide "I'm going to take up skydiving!", then there
are the people who use age as a crutch "I'm 30 and too old to xyz" or whatever.
It's not a valid argument. People lie to each other, and more importantly, they
lie to themselves, and that's one of the most insidious.

Neil Young is the same age as EC, has an album out at the same time, and it's
energetic, fresh, breaks new ground for him.

Eric whines about "not having energy to tour as much" and when BB King was his
age he was out playing 300+ nights a year, as do many artists older than EC, who
also don't tour in the style or luxury that EC is afforded when he tours.

This, again, goes back to people who keep making excuses for what EC does, which
enables him. He's lived a coddled, pampered life since 16, and has (by his own
admission) no real work ethic.

2) Criticisms of EC's studio work aren't necessarily a reflection of his
ability; to the contrary, I'll argue that the disappointment many of us feel is
instead *because* he is capable of playing at such a high level when, for an
example, being pushed by Steve Winwood.  That's the kind of thing we're talking
about, if EC were to go into the studio with Winwood, the result would likely be
a totally different animal than we've seen in the latest offering.

3) Last but not least, this isn't about a choice of doing ballads.  It's about
*HOW* EC has chosen to do them.  No one took askance at "Hard Times" on
'Journeyman'; indeed, it's a standout track.  The "Unplugged" session was all
acoustic, but it's certainly full of fire and passion.  "Tears in Heaven" may be
somber, but it's one of the songs EC has put the most of himself into, and the
audience can SENSE that. It doesn't have to do with the tempo or style of the
song, it's the passion and intensity of the artist, and to many of us, it just
ain't there in the new album, EC just seems to be phoning it in.

Another good example would be the execrable "Back Home", which by EC's own
admission he struggled with, resulting in the far more dynamic stuff on
"Sessions for Robert J" - compare the two, and it's easy to hear which set of
material EC was more motivated to play.

Just some food for thought ...

~G

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