We all need at least one good laugh per day, and that one did it for
me, Ravi!  :D  Thanks, buddy.

Hey, it's low cost, low effort, and if you put it in the right spot
in your rack, the empty space might give another piece of gear some
much needed ventilation!


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma"
<noision1@h...> wrote:
> The perfect solution for those that want a rack evolver that they
never have to touch and deal with only from the computer is to plug
it in, attach midi cables, attach audio cables (in and out), turn up
the volume to full and shove it in a drawer or under your table in
back of your cable modem or something. Then go to your local music
store, buy a one space rack front space holder and stencil evolver on
it and point it out to your friends and they watch you mouse
sounddiver in awe . . .
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: mr julian
>   To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:08 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Evolver] How's this? was: rackmount evolver?
>
>
>
>   >From: "danv1983 <danv1983@c...>" <danv1983@c...>
>
>   >I was thinking maybe the
>   >rackmount version could do a-way with the sequencer - thus
freeing up
>   >some space - since most pro's would be using a computer to
sequence
>   >anyhow.
>
>   What the hell is the deal with people that keep thinking of the
evolver as
>   just another sound source in a box?
>
>   I think that the idea of using an external sequencer to drive the
evolver is
>   completely missing the point of what the evolver is.... sure, you
can drive
>   it from another sequencer if you want, but sequencing parametrs
is something
>   the evolver does so well, it's what makes the evolver unique and
worth
>   owning, imo.
>
>   And as for telling us all what "pro's" want... who cares?
>
>   >Heck even if you removed all knobs from the front i wouldn't
>   >mind. Maybe the rackmount would cost less than the tabletop this
way,
>   >sounds good to me.
>
>   If you want a rack unit you can drive from logic and never have
to touch, go
>   buy a JV5080. Actually, why not just find a General Midi VST
plugin, and be
>   done with the whole hardware thing if its that much of a problem
for you to
>   use an interface other than a mouse?
>
>
>
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on 5/02/03 6:18 AM, Ravi Ivan Sharma at noision1@... wrote:

> The perfect solution for those that want a rack evolver that they never have
> to touch and deal with only from the computer is to plug it in, attach midi
> cables, attach audio cables (in and out), turn up the volume to full and shove
> it in a drawer or under your table in back of your cable modem or something.
> Then go to your local music store, buy a one space rack front space holder and
> stencil evolver on it and point it out to your friends and they watch you
> mouse sounddiver in awe . . .

Actually, one of those computer keyboard drawer that attaches under a desk
is a great place to put evolver - you just pull it out when you need to
tweak, and push it in when you are done.

I personally find computer based "I see all the parameter at once" editor to
be very confusing... but I guess it's just me :-)


-Yutaka

"Ravi Ivan Sharma" <noision1@...> writes:
> The perfect solution for those that want a rack evolver that they
> never have to touch and deal with only from the computer is to plug it
> in, attach midi cables, attach audio cables (in and out), turn up the
> volume to full and shove it in a drawer or under your table in back of
> your cable modem or something.

I think the issue is not really with people who want _an_ evolver --
they can probably find someplace to stick the thing -- it's those who
want several of them (or who have lots of other gear).  If everything
you've got is a `tabletop' model, you can quickly run out of places to
stash them, and they're a bit hard to stack...

I think the evolver could easily be fit into a rack model (the only real
problem is the editing-matrix graphic, and there's probably someway to
finess that).  I guess the question is whether there's enough demand to
justify it.

-Miles
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On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 13:08:29 +1100, "mr julian"
<jujulilianan@...> wrote:

>I think that the idea of using an external sequencer to drive the evolver is
>completely missing the point of what the evolver is.... sure, you can drive
>it from another sequencer if you want, but sequencing parametrs is something
>the evolver does so well, it's what makes the evolver unique and worth
>owning, imo.

Of course you can sequence it from another sequencer whilst its own
sequencer drives parameters at the same time <g>

Paul

I disagree.  I can think of several rackmount synths with a similar concept
that are accessible from the front panel:  Yamaha FS1R, Waldorf Pulse,
original Waldorf Microwave (though I know the last two are 2U), Novation
BassStation/SuperBassStation etc.  MANY people buy these AND program them
from the front panel.  Personally, I believe the person who intends to use
an app like SoundDiver (like I do :-) would do so even on a desktop/keyboard
version to some extent, IF the interface of the synth in question is NOT
conductive to hands-on.  The Interface of the Andromeda IS hands on.  The
Interface of, say, the Korg Triton is not (as much, IMO).  IMO the Evolver
is somewhere inbetween, so is suitable for programming from both the front
panel AND/OR a software interface.  So, sure a 1U rack Evo would be pretty
cramped if you labelled as with the desktop, BUT still, its not something
that hasn't been done before (maybe not EXACTLY but still its been done).  I
would NEVER do away with the sequencer on Evo - its one of its best
characteristics! :-) I'll post a pic of where I had to put my Evolver soon
(hope to take some new studio shots this weekend) - its hanging up on top of
one of my rack towers, face forward, out of reach from the sitting position
- but its the only place I had to put it :-(  If it was a 1U rack, THEN it'd
be in arms reach and more usable in my setting.  My personal situation of
course (NOTE also I've got a Kawai K1m mounted sideways velcro'd to the side
of one of the rack towers as well, and a TG33 stuck aside my mixers, on its
side and at an angle - studio space is at a premium in my place :-)
KRIS


> I think that the ultimate point of a rackmount device is
> compactness,, tabletop synths are there for tweaking with knobs, new
> rack devices are there for tweaking over your computer or through
> your midi knob box on your desk. I haven't tried out the sounddiver
> evolver patch but i'm sure most users who want the evolver in a rack
> would agree that it's because they like the convenience and space
> saving aspects of a rackmount device and like editing via an
> omnipotent controller aka computer. I was thinking maybe the
> rackmount version could do a-way with the sequencer - thus freeing up
> some space - since most pro's would be using a computer to sequence
> anyhow. Heck even if you removed all knobs from the front i wouldn't
> mind. Maybe the rackmount would cost less than the tabletop this way,
> sounds good to me. Same goes for listing so many parameters on the
> front panel. I hardly ever look over at any of my racked synths...
> maybe only to set their midi channels or turn them on. Instead i
> usually build a better interface in logic. Anyhow,, i've enjoyed
> seeing peoples mock rack pics. Has Dave caught onto this buzz yet?
> later days.

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 11:32:44AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
> [I wonder what proportion of the cost is in the actual voice (as opposed
> to stuff like case/interface/midi that could be shared among all voices
> in a polyphonic instrument)...]

***rough*** estimate

"User Intf"/one-time costs
encoders 8x*3= $24
plastic knobs 8x*2=16
buttons w/caps 20*1= $20
LED display + controller chip 5$
PIC $10
metal case $50

"voice" costs
DSP chip $25
scads of analog ~$100



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On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 05:05:32PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
> I think the evolver could easily be fit into a rack model (the only real
> problem is the editing-matrix graphic, and there's probably someway to
> finess that).  I guess the question is whether there's enough demand to
> justify it.

I'm certain, from considering the projects D.S. has done in the
past, he's thought about this long and hard!  And in fact, I'm
sure he's reached a similar conclusion to you, it's all about
the demand and how much $ you could cough up.

Personally, I dig the idea, but wouldn't pay for it, because I
prefer a bunch of orthogonal instruments...although I might
go for a "double" evolver, so I could DJ between the two of
them.  That would kick fuckin ass.  Maybe just DJ'ing between
a sidstation and an evolver would rule.





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Crackpot <shifty@...> writes:
> On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 11:32:44AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
> > [I wonder what proportion of the cost is in the actual voice (as opposed
> > to stuff like case/interface/midi that could be shared among all voices
> > in a polyphonic instrument)...]
>
> ***rough*** estimate
> "User Intf"/one-time costs
> encoders 8x*3= $24
> plastic knobs 8x*2=16
> buttons w/caps 20*1= $20
> LED display + controller chip 5$
> PIC $10
> metal case $50
>
> "voice" costs
> DSP chip $25
> scads of analog ~$100

Do you think it's really that much?  The sum of the above is $250, and I
thought typically materials costs were only 25-30% of the final price.
It will be interesting to see what the `store cost' is, since his web site
says they're finally going to be available through normal retail channels.

Anyway, so using your estimate, the monophonic evolver gives them about
50% profit, for direct sales (actually a bit less I suppose, due to
shipping and CC fees, but I think those are usually small).

So if he could make a polyphonic evolver, lets say he can cut down the
per-voice cost to $100 (by sharing some components among voices, maybe
using fewer more powerful DSPs, etc)., and that the `one-time' cost is
double (bigger case, maybe slightly more spiffy display), so $250.
[I think the current UI is fine, so there's no real need to change it]

For an 8-voice instrument, that'd be $250 + 8 * $100 = $1050.  If he
sold them for ~$2000, he could keep the same profit margin.  OTOH, the
andromeda's only about $2500 new these days (that's one thing that makes
me think the above price estimates might be a bit high), and perhaps
that would be viewed as the competition.

Anyway, as usual, just talking out my ass; it'd be nice to have some
real numbers!

-Miles
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At 04:15 PM 2/5/2003 -0500, Crackpot wrote:

>***rough*** estimate
>
>LED display + controller chip 5$

What's sad is, you can get a 16x2 character LCD for 6$ that is able to display a
LOT more information than three 7 segment LEDs.  If only...

JDM

"Jeffrey D. McEachin" <jdm@...> writes:
> >LED display + controller chip 5$
>
> What's sad is, you can get a 16x2 character LCD for 6$ that is able to
> display a LOT more information than three 7 segment LEDs.  If only...

OTOH, it's visible from a lot farther away ... :-)

Actually that's not as facetious as it might seem -- I get the
impression that a lot of the evolver's design is shared with the
`adrenalinn' that he also worked on, and since that's (mainly) a
guitarists' box, the `visible from a distance' thing is important.

For a new model (say the polysynth I keep going on about :-), I'd
actually like something like a 32x1 or 32x2 gas plasma display like
ensoniq synths (or the Xpander!) used to use, which could be placed
above the knobs and the knobs aligned so that the value of each knob in
the current row could be displayed simulataneously (3 digit value + 1
separator space for each knob); if there was a 2nd row, wow!

[I guess an LCD would work too, but somehow LED or gas-plasma seems
much more in keeping with the evolver's character...]

-Miles
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or reason, just a lot of incoherent shrieks and then it's over.  --Ian Wolff

On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 11:17:27AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
> Crackpot <shifty@...> writes:
> > On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 11:32:44AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
> > > [I wonder what proportion of the cost is in the actual voice (as opposed
> > > to stuff like case/interface/midi that could be shared among all voices
> > > in a polyphonic instrument)...]
> >
> > ***rough*** estimate
> > "User Intf"/one-time costs
> > encoders 8x*3= $24
> > plastic knobs 8x*2=16
> > buttons w/caps 20*1= $20
> > LED display + controller chip 5$
> > PIC $10
> > metal case $50
> >
> > "voice" costs
> > DSP chip $25
> > scads of analog ~$100
>
> Do you think it's really that much?  The sum of the above is $250, and I
> thought typically materials costs were only 25-30% of the final price.
> It will be interesting to see what the `store cost' is, since his web site
> says they're finally going to be available through normal retail channels.

It's rough, but maybe some other hobbyists could chime in on my accuracy.
I actually mistakenly truncated that e-mail early before I could add more
things.  For example, he said in the AES talk that he spent $6,000 getting
it Fcc part 15 tested.  That would have to be repeated, although perhaps
with more initial success, making it cheaper, in a 2nd model.

Then, there are the manual-printing costs costs,
the design software costs ($300 dev board from ADI), the website,
he probably does need some kind of accountant.

I should know about this, I've been planning how to leave my job
and sell my own homebuilt device for a few months now.  (An
effect processor!)


> For an 8-voice instrument, that'd be $250 + 8 * $100 = $1050.  If he
> sold them for ~$2000, he could keep the same profit margin.  OTOH, the
> andromeda's only about $2500 new these days (that's one thing that makes
> me think the above price estimates might be a bit high), and perhaps
> that would be viewed as the competition.

I don't understand how the andromeda can be so cheap- they custom-made
analog voice ASICs for it.  Those chips can be very efficient for
lots of voices, but the initial costs for them are very high!

-N



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Hi, only had my evolver a couple of weeks so I have much to learn.
Hope someone can help with this issue: when sequencing evolver from a
Yamaha RS7000 the first note of the sequence starts the evolver
sequencer as well. I just want to play the notes from the RS7K
sequencer. Is there some midi setting I have overlooked on the
evolver that will stop the RS triggering the evolver sequencer?
cheers,

Julian i think you are misssing my point,, the fact that i can do
away with the knobs and that i don't care much about having pretty
buttons and lights on a rack unit... and that i'm asking for
something more professional.. does not mean i think that a general
midi vst or anything else for the matter would come close to do what
an evolver does,, why else would i be here asking for such a product?


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "mr julian" <jujulilianan@h...>
wrote:
>
> >From: "danv1983 <danv1983@c...>" <danv1983@c...>
>
> >I was thinking maybe the
> >rackmount version could do a-way with the sequencer - thus freeing
up
> >some space - since most pro's would be using a computer to sequence
> >anyhow.
>
> What the hell is the deal with people that keep thinking of the
evolver as
> just another sound source in a box?
>
> I think that the idea of using an external sequencer to drive the
evolver is
> completely missing the point of what the evolver is.... sure, you
can drive
> it from another sequencer if you want, but sequencing parametrs is
something
> the evolver does so well, it's what makes the evolver unique and
worth
> owning, imo.
>
> And as for telling us all what "pro's" want... who cares?
>
> >Heck even if you removed all knobs from the front i wouldn't
> >mind. Maybe the rackmount would cost less than the tabletop this
way,
> >sounds good to me.
>
> If you want a rack unit you can drive from logic and never have to
touch, go
> buy a JV5080. Actually, why not just find a General Midi VST
plugin, and be
> done with the whole hardware thing if its that much of a problem
for you to
> use an interface other than a mouse?
>
>
>
> julian
>
>
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hi i havent got it yet..but like to know how you guys
skip notes/events with the sequenser(if its possible?)
(no button on each step)
i mean if i want silence on the second step i.e

i use a doepfer mac16/3 to "play" my studio and i love
analogue stepsequensers.
the rythmics i get with hardware seq. cant be made on
computers.
thanx
peter.

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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 03:52:15 -0800 (PST), peter sedin
<midihooker@...> wrote:

>hi i havent got it yet..but like to know how you guys
>skip notes/events with the sequenser(if its possible?)
>(no button on each step)
>i mean if i want silence on the second step i.e

You simply set that step to "off". Of course there are other ways too,
such as setting level controls to some of the other tracks - you can
shift the "off" around this way by setting the level track to a
different length than the main one...

Paul

Hey there man,

Not to annoy, but it would probably be good for you to give the
manual a good examination.  To your question, there is an item in the
programming matrix labbeled "Trigger Select" or something like that
(don't have my evolver on me at the moment).... It's one in from the
right side of it and I believe it's below the delay and effects
settings (or it might be above).  Take a look at  your manual to
understand what the different trigger modes are.  These are
selectable for each individual patch, which is really cool.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "wasabi_bukkake <tpetersen@h...>"
<tpetersen@h...> wrote:
> Hi, only had my evolver a couple of weeks so I have much to learn.
> Hope someone can help with this issue: when sequencing evolver from
a
> Yamaha RS7000 the first note of the sequence starts the evolver
> sequencer as well. I just want to play the notes from the RS7K
> sequencer. Is there some midi setting I have overlooked on the
> evolver that will stop the RS triggering the evolver sequencer?
> cheers,

It occurs to me that there might be a setting called "trigger mode"
or "hold" or something in the main settings at the top... you might
want to look there, but I'm not sure about that.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Collin  <collin_meyer@y...>"
<collin_meyer@y...> wrote:
> Hey there man,
>
> Not to annoy, but it would probably be good for you to give the
> manual a good examination.  To your question, there is an item in
the
> programming matrix labbeled "Trigger Select" or something like that
> (don't have my evolver on me at the moment).... It's one in from
the
> right side of it and I believe it's below the delay and effects
> settings (or it might be above).  Take a look at  your manual to
> understand what the different trigger modes are.  These are
> selectable for each individual patch, which is really cool.
>
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "wasabi_bukkake
<tpetersen@h...>"
> <tpetersen@h...> wrote:
> > Hi, only had my evolver a couple of weeks so I have much to
learn.
> > Hope someone can help with this issue: when sequencing evolver
from
> a
> > Yamaha RS7000 the first note of the sequence starts the evolver
> > sequencer as well. I just want to play the notes from the RS7K
> > sequencer. Is there some midi setting I have overlooked on the
> > evolver that will stop the RS triggering the evolver sequencer?
> > cheers,

clock should be set to int.

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I tried to get osc glide to working using the Evolver's built-in
sequencer, and couldn't manage to get anything to work.

My thought was that perhaps the Evolver's `glide' function is legato
only, and the sequencers short gate-time always defeats it (or
alternatively I suppose it's possible that the glide is implemented in a
way that gets bypassed by sequencer inputs).

The gate-time thing is a also kind of annoying, at the least, it'd be
nice to have a patch-specific sequencer gate-time parameter (I guess
this has to be a percentage of note length?), or even better gate-time
as a mod-matrix desination.

For instance, if you want a sequence that goes blip-blip-boooouuuuuum
(esp. where the boooouuuuuum lasts across several steps!), how can you
do it?  Given no gate-time control, at first I thought, `ah I'll just
use a sequencer channel to modulate envelope release or at least
sustain' -- but in fact only attack-time is a mod-matrix desination!

Other similar ideas proved fruitless, and in the end I found a sort of
ugly and limited solution, by using ENV3 to modulate the VCA, and then
using the sequencer to modulate the amplitude of ENV3.  This seems bad
because it seems to waste an envelope, and only allows you to have a
single `alternative decay,' instead of being to have step-specific
decays if you could modulate the normal VCA envelope's release or decay
time directly.

Any thoughts?  Has anyone found a better way to do this?  Should I send
yet-another feature-request email to Dave Smith?  [I read that Dave
Smith is reluctant to do lots of OS upgrades, so maybe it's pointless
anyway, but it's certainly easier to think up new features than
implement them!]

BTW, has anyone come up with other useful mod-matrix destinations that
aren't implemented?  Maybe there should be a list of `desired
destinations' ...  From above:

   gate-time
   env release/decay/sustain

and maybe:

   osc glide (1/2/3/4/all)

Thanks,

-Miles
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From: Miles Bader

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 12:48 AM

Subject: [Evolver] glide using the sequencer (and some other seq/mod-matrix issues)

I tried to get osc glide to working using the Evolver's built-in
sequencer, and couldn't manage to get anything to work.

My thought was that perhaps the Evolver's `glide' function is legato
only, and the sequencers short gate-time always defeats it (or
alternatively I suppose it's possible that the glide is implemented in a
way that gets bypassed by sequencer inputs).

The gate-time thing is a also kind of annoying, at the least, it'd be
nice to have a patch-specific sequencer gate-time parameter (I guess
this has to be a percentage of note length?), or even better gate-time
as a mod-matrix desination.

For instance, if you want a sequence that goes blip-blip-boooouuuuuum
(esp. where the boooouuuuuum lasts across several steps!), how can you
do it?  Given no gate-time control, at first I thought, `ah I'll just
use a sequencer channel to modulate envelope release or at least
sustain' -- but in fact only attack-time is a mod-matrix desination!

Other similar ideas proved fruitless, and in the end I found a sort of
ugly and limited solution, by using ENV3 to modulate the VCA, and then
using the sequencer to modulate the amplitude of ENV3.  This seems bad
because it seems to waste an envelope, and only allows you to have a
single `alternative decay,' instead of being to have step-specific
decays if you could modulate the normal VCA envelope's release or decay
time directly.

Any thoughts?  Has anyone found a better way to do this?  Should I send
yet-another feature-request email to Dave Smith?  [I read that Dave
Smith is reluctant to do lots of OS upgrades, so maybe it's pointless
anyway, but it's certainly easier to think up new features than
implement them!]

BTW, has anyone come up with other useful mod-matrix destinations that
aren't implemented?  Maybe there should be a list of `desired
destinations' ...  From above:

  gate-time
  env release/decay/sustain

and maybe:

  osc glide (1/2/3/4/all)

Thanks,

-Miles
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"Ravi Ivan Sharma" <noision1@...> writes:
> I don't know how long you have been on this list, but awhile back, Dave
> set forth some criteria he wanted people to follow when proposing new
> features.

Where can I find the criteria-list?

> I have created a second database for entry of feature requests that sets
> forth his criteria. By all means add some entries.

How can I do so?  Does it have a web-site?

Thanks,

-Miles
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  But they also destroy the environment, to an extent so drastic that
  they kill all social life' (from _A Pattern Language_)

Oops, sorry I left out an important link!!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSI_Evolver/database

Its feature request table # 2

(if you add more than one, check it to make sure the number of rows
increases, I heard but have not confirmed that the databases are
limited to a certain number of rows and new entries knock off old
ones, THAT IS NOT GOOD, so if you notice it doing that, alert me and
I will create a third table, THANKS!)

Ravi




--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Miles Bader <miles@g...> wrote:
> "Ravi Ivan Sharma" <noision1@h...> writes:
> > I don't know how long you have been on this list, but awhile
back, Dave
> > set forth some criteria he wanted people to follow when proposing
new
> > features.
>
> Where can I find the criteria-list?
>
> > I have created a second database for entry of feature requests
that sets
> > forth his criteria. By all means add some entries.
>
> How can I do so?  Does it have a web-site?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Miles
> --
> `Cars give people wonderful freedom and increase their
opportunities.
>  But they also destroy the environment, to an extent so drastic that
>  they kill all social life' (from _A Pattern Language_)

On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 02:08:10PM -0000, Ravi Ivan Sharma
<noision1@...> wrote:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSI_Evolver/database

Yeah, later I just went and looked at the yahoo group and found it, and added
my request.

> (if you add more than one, check it to make sure the number of rows
> increases, I heard but have not confirmed that the databases are limited to
> a certain number of rows and new entries knock off old ones, THAT IS NOT
> GOOD, so if you notice it doing that, alert me and I will create a third
> table, THANKS!)

Hmmm, seems to have increased (from 17 to 18).

-Miles
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Only ordered it last Friday and it arrived yesterday (monday). Very
impressed with the service.

The synth itself has blown me away. After months of checking out the
downloadable mp3's and reading the manual over and over its so good
to have the beast in my grasp.



Simon

I've been gone from the internet world for a couple of weeks, so I
know this question has been answered before but:

I'm having problems w/ my Evolver communicating w/ Logic.  Everything
seems to work EXCEPT the fact that the MIDI notes do not show up when
I record MIDI in the Arrange window of Logic.  I know somethings
tricky w/ the note range of the Evolver.....

Any suggestions/links to prior messages?

My question is about how well the Evolver synchronizes to incoming
midi clock.  Is there anyone out there that uses this device synced to
drum machines and depends on ultra-tight timing?  Does the Evolver
ever drift, for example when different sound parameters are selected,
while in sync.

Does the Evolver ever hicup while the it's sequencer is running?

Is it possible to edit sequences while in external sync mode?  If so,
does the Evolver ever drift out of sync while doing this?

How many sequences can be chained together?  The manual seems to only
mention 4 possible sequences, what is that the maximum number of
sequences that can be used at one time?

Do the sequences get saved along with the sound parameters in each
program?

Is there actually a swing function, the manual mentions it, does it
sound good?

Lastly, are there any limitations in this machine that are hampering
any of you guys out there?

Thanks a lot, this machine sounds interesting!
Pet

I've answered your questions inline below...


Ski
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--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "bassmeter <ultrubass@a...>"
<ultrubass@a...> wrote:
> My question is about how well the Evolver synchronizes to incoming
> midi clock.  Is there anyone out there that uses this device synced
to
> drum machines and depends on ultra-tight timing?  Does the Evolver
> ever drift, for example when different sound parameters are
selected,
> while in sync.

• Can't say that I've tested it in any "ultra-tight" timing
situations.

>
> Does the Evolver ever hicup while the it's sequencer is running?

• I'd never say "never", but *I've* never had it hiccup.  I wouldn't
expect it to, either, as it's quite simple - just a little 4 track 16
step sequencer.

>
> Is it possible to edit sequences while in external sync mode?  If
so,
> does the Evolver ever drift out of sync while doing this?

• I've never tried this, but I THINK this is probably possible,
because I've frequently edited the sequences while the sequence was
running and never had a problem.

>
> How many sequences can be chained together?  The manual seems to
only
> mention 4 possible sequences, what is that the maximum number of
> sequences that can be used at one time?

• You can't "chain sequences together".  Read the manual a bit more
carefully, and you'll see that it is a simple 4 track, 16 step
sequencer, as I noted above.  You can only use one sequence at a
time, but a sequence has four tracks.

>
> Do the sequences get saved along with the sound parameters in each
> program?

• Yes.  Each "program" (i.e. patch) has its own sequence stored
within that program.

>
> Is there actually a swing function, the manual mentions it, does it
> sound good?

• Yes, and yes (assuming you like swing).

>
> Lastly, are there any limitations in this machine that are
hampering
> any of you guys out there?

• I don't have any that are "hampering" me, but that's REALLY going
to be a function of WHAT you need to do bottom line, and how many of
those needs will have to be accomplished with the Evolver (as opposed
to being handled by other gear in your rig/studio).

>
> Thanks a lot, this machine sounds interesting!

• It really is.  It's a blast to program and play, it's sounds great,
and it's unique.  Like anything else, though, it's not an "end-all-do-
all", though!  :)

> Pet

>From: "ski_ex5tech <ex5tech@...>" <ex5tech@...>

>• Can't say that I've tested it in any "ultra-tight" timing
>situations.
>
yeah... though I've used it in sync a lot, I'm not really that concerned
about "ultra tight" so I couldn't say for sure. I would assume that it is at
least OK though because it never sounds out of time to me.

> > Does the Evolver ever hicup while the it's sequencer is running?
>
>• I'd never say "never", but *I've* never had it hiccup.  I wouldn't
>expect it to, either, as it's quite simple - just a little 4 track 16
>step sequencer.
>
I've never had it do that either.

> > Is it possible to edit sequences while in external sync mode?  If
>so,
> > does the Evolver ever drift out of sync while doing this?
>
>• I've never tried this, but I THINK this is probably possible,
>because I've frequently edited the sequences while the sequence was
>running and never had a problem.
>
Yes it is possible. No problems noticed here....

>• You can't "chain sequences together".  Read the manual a bit more
>carefully, and you'll see that it is a simple 4 track, 16 step
>sequencer, as I noted above.  You can only use one sequence at a
>time, but a sequence has four tracks.
>
hmm... wonder how he got this idea.... Wasn't this one of the things someone
was talking about as a possible future upgrade??

> > Is there actually a swing function, the manual mentions it, does it
> > sound good?
>
>• Yes, and yes (assuming you like swing).
>
I really like it. though there are basically just two settings, not a
continuous range, like on an mpc. I think its good enough though.

>• I don't have any that are "hampering" me, but that's REALLY going
>to be a function of WHAT you need to do bottom line, and how many of
>those needs will have to be accomplished with the Evolver (as opposed
>to being handled by other gear in your rig/studio).
>
excellent answer!!!

I think as long as you are expecting the evolver to be an evolver, then
there will be no problems... now if you want it to be like a jv50580, then
you might have a few issues... :-P

The pattern select function could be a little tidier for those people like
me who would like to take it live (still haven't investigated embedded
program changes in my main sequencer yet though, so that could be an OK way
to do it)

anyway - for the guy with the questions: Get it. Hype aside, its a great
little synth that does so much compared to what it costs, and is totally
unique! I have a bunch of other synths already, and I didnt feel at all like
I had wasted any money buying it.



julian


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hi:-P

but the modulation(and notes) gets recorded as midi in
a midi sequenser right?
i just like to keep edit the midi in my main seq.
quantizise etc.
and its not respond to countius controllers right? its
controlled(if liked) with sysex?NRPN?
peter.



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>From: peter sedin <midihooker@...>

>but the modulation(and notes) gets recorded as midi in
>a midi sequenser right?

I think not. This is one of the feature requests people have been asking
for.

>i just like to keep edit the midi in my main seq.
>quantizise etc.

ok well this is a bit of a problem (unless you sequence from your main
sequencer in the first place, but then you are missing out on the magic of
the evolver sequencer, IMO)

You can always dump your evolver patch as SysEx into the start of your main
MIDI sequence, so that you have everything for the track together, and each
time you press play you can guarantee the evolver will play right alongside
everything else (master settings assumed OK)

So its not 100% how you want to work, but definately a usable compromise.
and if you do it a bit you might get to enjoy programming the evolver
sequences from its own front panel!! :-P

>and its not respond to countius controllers right?

No CCs hardwired to synth parameters, but it does respond to some CC's that
you can assign to mod destinations...

>its
>controlled(if liked) with sysex?NRPN?

Not by NRPN, only with SysEx. But as far as parameter SysEx messages go,
they're not too long, and won't clog up your MIDI cable too much...




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