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#6881 From: "Clav" <pclav33@...>
Date: Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:24 pm
Subject: Polyevolver editor
pclav33
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I recently upgraded from a desktop evolver to the polyevolver. Does anyone know
if the soundtower polyevolver editor will load in my old desktop evolver patches
or is it a different file type? I especially want to load in the evolutionaries
soundset that I found online. Does anyone know how I can load them in to the
polyevolver or will it work in it at all?

Thanks,
Paul

#6882 From: "tunepoet" <tunepoet@...>
Date: Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:00 am
Subject: Poly Evolver Keyboard Power Source Question
tunepoet
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Hello;

I have a poly key and recently misplaced (lost) my power supply (gratuitous I am
such an idiot caveat), and was wondering who here if any here knew a bit about
volts and words with amp attached (?).

After effectively losing (misplacing) my PEK power source, I managed to locate
another power source of comparable heft and authority and was wondering if it
would work?

The PEK is specified at 15 v AC, 1300 mA, and the power supply I located is
specified at 15 v AC, 2000 mA.

Question - can I safely (without cataclysmic meltdown) use the 15 v AC, 2000 mA
with my PEK without experiencing (repeat) cataclysmic meltdown? Your advice is
much appreciated.

Blessings,
Damon

#6883 From: "deepestdarkestfunk" <deepestdarkestfunk@...>
Date: Tue May 11, 2010 4:10 pm
Subject: Re: Poly Evolver Keyboard Power Source Question
deepestdarke...
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While I'm not an electronics wiz, I can tell you that in most cases, a slightly
overrated power source is usually not a problem.  The device will only draw the
current it requires.  If you don't give it enough juice, that's BAD, but more
amperage (within reason) than you can use at the correct voltage shouldn't be a
problem.  2000mA supply for a 1300mA device should be fine.

$0.02

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "tunepoet" <tunepoet@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hello;
>
> I have a poly key and recently misplaced (lost) my power supply (gratuitous I
am such an idiot caveat), and was wondering who here if any here knew a bit
about volts and words with amp attached (?).
>
> After effectively losing (misplacing) my PEK power source, I managed to locate
another power source of comparable heft and authority and was wondering if it
would work?
>
> The PEK is specified at 15 v AC, 1300 mA, and the power supply I located is
specified at 15 v AC, 2000 mA.
>
> Question - can I safely (without cataclysmic meltdown) use the 15 v AC, 2000
mA with my PEK without experiencing (repeat) cataclysmic meltdown? Your advice
is much appreciated.
>
> Blessings,
> Damon
>

#6884 From: margaret noble <margaretnoble2000@...>
Date: Tue May 11, 2010 5:55 pm
Subject: Sound Art Project on Orwell's Novel 1984
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#6885 From: Mark Lewis <misterhemi@...>
Date: Tue May 11, 2010 7:00 pm
Subject: Re:Poly Evolver Keyboard Power Source Question
misterhemi
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Yes, the ratings of the new power supply exceed what is needed by the Poly
Evolver. It is more than adequate.

The only thing you need to be sure of is that the polarity at the plug is
correct,  meaning if the tip/inner sleeve is positive or negative.

At the moment I forget which is correct for the Poly Evolver but there should be
a diagram on both PE and the power supply indicating their respective
polarities. Some power supplies have a removable plug which can be turned to
send the positive to either the tip/inner sleeve or the outer sleeve.

I hope that is clear, if not please ask for clarification.

#6886 From: "Bob S." <tttsystems@...>
Date: Tue May 11, 2010 7:15 pm
Subject: Re: [DSI Synths] Re:Poly Evolver Keyboard Power Source Question
bob_at_work_...
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The original poster said the power supply had an AC output, so there is no
polarity for tip/sleeve.  However, since I do not have an evolver keyboard, can
someone verify that the board indeed uses an AC voltage and not a DC voltage
from an adapter.

There is no issue with having a supply that delivers more current than the
original as long as the voltage is correct.

Bob
El Segundo, CA


-----Original Message-----

From: Mark Lewis

Sent: May 11, 2010 3:00 PM

To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [DSI Synths] Re:Poly Evolver Keyboard Power Source Question




























       Yes, the ratings of the new power supply exceed what is needed by the Poly
Evolver. It is more than adequate.



The only thing you need to be sure of is that the polarity at the plug is
correct,  meaning if the tip/inner sleeve is positive or negative.



At the moment I forget which is correct for the Poly Evolver but there should be
a diagram on both PE and the power supply indicating their respective
polarities. Some power supplies have a removable plug which can be turned to
send the positive to either the tip/inner sleeve or the outer sleeve.



I hope that is clear, if not please ask for clarification.

#6887 From: Mark Lewis <misterhemi@...>
Date: Wed May 12, 2010 3:22 pm
Subject: Re: Poly Evolver Keyboard Power Source Question
misterhemi
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Thanks Bob, I didn't catch that.

The PEK does indeed use DC so an AC output won't work.

Sent from my iPhone

#6888 From: "Bob S." <tttsystems@...>
Date: Wed May 12, 2010 4:39 pm
Subject: Re: [DSI Synths] Re: Poly Evolver Keyboard Power Source Question
bob_at_work_...
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I don't have a PEK (would like to) but you guys are making me work.......
 
I went to look up the power requirements for the PEK in the user manual but it was silent on the details.  It just says to plug it in...wonder if would know that....
 
So if someone can look on the original power supply of their PEK, is it AC or DC output, what is the tip/sleeve polarity, what is the voltage output and what current is it rated at.....then I will be able to point you to a viable replacement.....
 
Bob
El Segundo, CA
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:22 AM
Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: Poly Evolver Keyboard Power Source Question

 

Thanks Bob, I didn't catch that.

The PEK does indeed use DC so an AC output won't work.

Sent from my iPhone


#6889 From: "dougt55" <dougt55@...>
Date: Tue May 18, 2010 4:28 am
Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: Poly Evolver Keyboard Power Source Question
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You just need to look at the back of the synth - my PEK says 15V DC 1300mA, +
tip...

Doug
--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@...> wrote:
>
> I don't have a PEK (would like to) but you guys are making me work.......
>
> I went to look up the power requirements for the PEK in the user manual but it
was silent on the details.  It just says to plug it in...wonder if would know
that....
>
> So if someone can look on the original power supply of their PEK, is it AC or
DC output, what is the tip/sleeve polarity, what is the voltage output and what
current is it rated at.....then I will be able to point you to a viable
replacement.....
>
> Bob
> El Segundo, CA
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Mark Lewis
>   To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:22 AM
>   Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: Poly Evolver Keyboard Power Source Question
>
>
>
>   Thanks Bob, I didn't catch that.
>
>   The PEK does indeed use DC so an AC output won't work.
>
>   Sent from my iPhone
>

#6890 From: "Bob S." <tttsystems@...>
Date: Tue May 18, 2010 4:47 am
Subject: Re: [DSI Synths] Re: Poly Evolver Keyboard Power Source Question
bob_at_work_...
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Great, thank you, (I don't have any Evolver synths right now, so I couldn't look at the back) now I can recommend a good replacement.  Will look a few up tonight...
 
Bob
El Segundo, CA
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: dougt55
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 21:28
Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: Poly Evolver Keyboard Power Source Question

 

You just need to look at the back of the synth - my PEK says 15V DC 1300mA, + tip...

Doug
--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@...> wrote:
>
> I don't have a PEK (would like to) but you guys are making me work.......
>
> I went to look up the power requirements for the PEK in the user manual but it was silent on the details. It just says to plug it in...wonder if would know that....
>
> So if someone can look on the original power supply of their PEK, is it AC or DC output, what is the tip/sleeve polarity, what is the voltage output and what current is it rated at.....then I will be able to point you to a viable replacement.....
>
> Bob
> El Segundo, CA
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Lewis
> To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:22 AM
> Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: Poly Evolver Keyboard Power Source Question
>
>
>
> Thanks Bob, I didn't catch that.
>
> The PEK does indeed use DC so an AC output won't work.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>


#6891 From: "carlos.jennings" <carlos.jennings@...>
Date: Sat May 15, 2010 3:02 am
Subject: Mopho nrpn messages
carlos.jennings
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Hello,

I love my Mopho and got a Korg MicroKontrol recently and have
been successful in programming cc parameters, but when I assign NRPN parameters,
it goes from 0 to 127, or on or off, and will not scroll through any of the
intermediate values.  It is very annoying!  Any suggestions or advice would be
greatly appreciated, the manual is not very helpful in this regard as I know
nothing of MIDI schematics.

thank you,

Carlos

#6892 From: "meatballfulton" <hubcapbrian@...>
Date: Sun May 30, 2010 6:23 pm
Subject: SoundTower Disaster
meatballfulton
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I've read the horror stories about issues with the SoundTower editor, but I've
been using it fine until today.

Today is the day that it refused to reload the evl file that contained all my
patches. I backed it up yesterday before starting to work with some downloaded
patches. I suspect it's beyond recovery and I've just lost six months of patch
development.

I have an open support ticket with ST but thought I'd see if anyone with similar
trouble was able to recover their patch banks.

To say I'm pissed is obvious, what good is the software if the backups you make
aren't safe? Should I be saving banks in ebp files as well as the evl file?
Should I be making sysex dumps as a safety against ST bugs? Ugh...

Brian

#6893 From: Juan Valverde <jvalverdeg@...>
Date: Wed Jun 9, 2010 4:26 am
Subject: (No subject)
jvalverdey
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#6894 From: "mobyturbo" <joshua613@...>
Date: Tue Jun 8, 2010 6:05 am
Subject: mopho vs. evolver
mobyturbo
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I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am not certain if
it should be a used desktop evolver or the desktop mopho, or perhaps a mopho
keyboard. Can you get good analog sounds out of the evolver's analog circuits?
What is the digital good for besides "industrial" and other harsher sounds?

(I don't really have much experience with synths, though I do a lot of
experimentation with my microkorg and with my computer, I think I should get the
real thing.)

Sorry for the newbie questions and what might be a controversial topic.

#6895 From: newton pulsifer <nisabuur@...>
Date: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:04 am
Subject: Re: [DSI Synths] mopho vs. evolver
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heya,


mopho and evolver are quite different beasts. while mopho is concentrating only on obtaining classic analog sounds(with the help of the sub osc) - deep basses an stuff, the evolver is much complexer, due to its routing possibilities and hybrid character.

i suggest you take a closer look at the characteristics of these two synths. you'll find everything you need on dave smit's web page:


http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/


and it's equally important you take a look on youtube to see those beasts in action.

anyway, it's just a mater of choice. of what sound you really like. if you're more inclined on mopho-side you might consider a tetra as well. it's just like 4 mophos but without the external imput feature.


good luck mate!

:) 



#6896 From: "spinach_pizza" <spinach_pizza@...>
Date: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:49 pm
Subject: Re: mopho vs. evolver
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The digital oscillators in the evolver are easily capable of creating very
beautiful sounds, and are definitely not limited to "harsh."

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "mobyturbo" <joshua613@...> wrote:
>
> I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am not certain
if it should be a used desktop evolver or the desktop mopho, or perhaps a mopho
keyboard. Can you get good analog sounds out of the evolver's analog circuits?
What is the digital good for besides "industrial" and other harsher sounds?
>
> (I don't really have much experience with synths, though I do a lot of
experimentation with my microkorg and with my computer, I think I should get the
real thing.)
>
> Sorry for the newbie questions and what might be a controversial topic.
>

#6897 From: "Bob S." <tttsystems@...>
Date: Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:22 pm
Subject: Re: [DSI Synths] Re: mopho vs. evolver
bob_at_work_...
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I perfectly agree....90% of my 30+ synths are digital oscillator based and I have them for the smooth, evolving, complex and layered sounds they add to my music....
 
Bob
El Segundo, CA
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 06:49
Subject: [DSI Synths] Re: mopho vs. evolver

 

The digital oscillators in the evolver are easily capable of creating very beautiful sounds, and are definitely not limited to "harsh."

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "mobyturbo" <joshua613@...> wrote:
>
> I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am not certain if it should be a used desktop evolver or the desktop mopho, or perhaps a mopho keyboard. Can you get good analog sounds out of the evolver's analog circuits? What is the digital good for besides "industrial" and other harsher sounds?
>
> (I don't really have much experience with synths, though I do a lot of experimentation with my microkorg and with my computer, I think I should get the real thing.)
>
> Sorry for the newbie questions and what might be a controversial topic.
>


#6898 From: "wasteking1" <wasteking1@...>
Date: Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: mopho vs. evolver
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every synth has its "voice'--its personality.  You really have to try a few to
feel out the diffrences. You might just simply love one  over another.I would
say ive heard lame analog sounds and amazingly full digital ones. most of that
comes from the programming. I liked how the evolver series gives you a
digital/anaolg choice--- most sounds can  usually benefit from a mix of the 2
types to sound fuller, but this is up to you as programmer.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "mobyturbo" <joshua613@...> wrote:
>
> I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am not certain
if it should be a used desktop evolver or the desktop mopho, or perhaps a mopho
keyboard. Can you get good analog sounds out of the evolver's analog circuits?
What is the digital good for besides "industrial" and other harsher sounds?
>
> (I don't really have much experience with synths, though I do a lot of
experimentation with my microkorg and with my computer, I think I should get the
real thing.)
>
> Sorry for the newbie questions and what might be a controversial topic.
>

#6899 From: dustin sedlacek <dustin.sedlacek@...>
Date: Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:14 pm
Subject: Re: [DSI Synths] Re: mopho vs. evolver
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I have an Evolver and I love it, the triple tap delay is great, the feedback is amazing, the digital oscillators are capable of amazing things. 


I use the evolver as a programmable effects processor. 
3 delay lines
distortion 
high pass filter
low pass filter with distortion

Modulate the VCA with a digital oscillator for amplitude modulation ( sounds exactly like ring modulation but mathematically it is different)

Use an LFO to modulate the feedback amount and frequency for a close flanger effect

Use the gate extractor so that you can trigger the sequencer with your guitar

Use the envelope follower on the filter or even better the delay time.

Make almost anything sound like a circuit bent beast with the input/output hack parameter.

Modulate the distortion amount with an LFO 

many many many things are possible with the evolver.

oh and it can do everything the mopho can do ( except the sub oscillators would be digital on the evolver)


On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:42 PM, wasteking1 <wasteking1@...> wrote:
 

every synth has its "voice'--its personality. You really have to try a few to feel out the diffrences. You might just simply love one over another.I would say ive heard lame analog sounds and amazingly full digital ones. most of that comes from the programming. I liked how the evolver series gives you a digital/anaolg choice--- most sounds can usually benefit from a mix of the 2 types to sound fuller, but this is up to you as programmer.



--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "mobyturbo" <joshua613@...> wrote:
>
> I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am not certain if it should be a used desktop evolver or the desktop mopho, or perhaps a mopho keyboard. Can you get good analog sounds out of the evolver's analog circuits? What is the digital good for besides "industrial" and other harsher sounds?
>
> (I don't really have much experience with synths, though I do a lot of experimentation with my microkorg and with my computer, I think I should get the real thing.)
>
> Sorry for the newbie questions and what might be a controversial topic.
>




--
Dustin 

#6900 From: "Richard" <rikp1964@...>
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:36 pm
Subject: Re: mopho vs. evolver
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> I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am
> not certain if it should be a used desktop evolver or the
> desktop mopho, or perhaps a mopho keyboard. Can you get good
> analog sounds out of the

If I could do it over I'd avoid the desktop models and go for a keyboard version
with lots of controls, especially if the keyboard has aftertouch.  I can get
around the desktop Evolver, especially after going through the Definitive Guide,
but it's still kind of awkward (you need two hands on the unit), and I've never
liked software editors for hardware.

Rik

#6901 From: "deepestdarkestfunk" <deepestdarkestfunk@...>
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:18 pm
Subject: Re: mopho vs. evolver
deepestdarke...
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I have an Evolver as well, and recently tried out a Mopho.  They are different
beasts, and to say that Evolver can do everything that the Mopho can do is not
accurate.  All synths have one primary purpose: to make a tone.  Mopho and
Evolver have different tonal characters.  The analog oscillators and filter do
NOT sound the same in both units.  The Mopho sounds a LOT fatter, thicker,
warmer, greasier than Evolver, very analog, very nice bass.  Reminds me a lot of
a Pro-One.   Evolver sounds more like a box of aliens and their android servants
after they've eaten Martian shrooms or something, kind of like a slightly thinly
voiced Prophet VS.  For versatility, Evolver wins, hands down.  Routing wise,
Evolver has a lot more going on, and the interface seems nicer (to me, for live
settings and rapid programming purposes) with a matrix and no more than two
button presses to get to any parameter in the unit instead of menu pages.

I want a Mopho.  I'd say get both.

$.02

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, dustin sedlacek <dustin.sedlacek@...> wrote:
>
> I have an Evolver and I love it, the triple tap delay is great, the feedback
> is amazing, the digital oscillators are capable of amazing things.
>
>
> I use the evolver as a programmable effects processor.
> 3 delay lines
> distortion
> high pass filter
> low pass filter with distortion
>
> Modulate the VCA with a digital oscillator for amplitude modulation ( sounds
> exactly like ring modulation but mathematically it is different)
>
> Use an LFO to modulate the feedback amount and frequency for a close flanger
> effect
>
> Use the gate extractor so that you can trigger the sequencer with your
> guitar
>
> Use the envelope follower on the filter or even better the delay time.
>
> Make almost anything sound like a circuit bent beast with the input/output
> hack parameter.
>
> Modulate the distortion amount with an LFO
>
> many many many things are possible with the evolver.
>
> oh and it can do everything the mopho can do ( except the sub oscillators
> would be digital on the evolver)
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:42 PM, wasteking1 <wasteking1@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > every synth has its "voice'--its personality. You really have to try a few
> > to feel out the diffrences. You might just simply love one over another.I
> > would say ive heard lame analog sounds and amazingly full digital ones. most
> > of that comes from the programming. I liked how the evolver series gives you
> > a digital/anaolg choice--- most sounds can usually benefit from a mix of the
> > 2 types to sound fuller, but this is up to you as programmer.
> >
> >
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "mobyturbo" <joshua613@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am not
> > certain if it should be a used desktop evolver or the desktop mopho, or
> > perhaps a mopho keyboard. Can you get good analog sounds out of the
> > evolver's analog circuits? What is the digital good for besides "industrial"
> > and other harsher sounds?
> > >
> > > (I don't really have much experience with synths, though I do a lot of
> > experimentation with my microkorg and with my computer, I think I should get
> > the real thing.)
> > >
> > > Sorry for the newbie questions and what might be a controversial topic.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Dustin
>

#6902 From: Robert Krueger <robert.krueger@...>
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: [DSI Synths] Re: mopho vs. evolver
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I pretty much agree with all of this. I have both as well. I'm thinking of getting the keyboard mopho so that I have the controls all right there, plus the keyboard has aftertouch which is quite nice as a modulation source.


On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:18 PM, deepestdarkestfunk <deepestdarkestfunk@...> wrote:
 

I have an Evolver as well, and recently tried out a Mopho. They are different beasts, and to say that Evolver can do everything that the Mopho can do is not accurate. All synths have one primary purpose: to make a tone. Mopho and Evolver have different tonal characters. The analog oscillators and filter do NOT sound the same in both units. The Mopho sounds a LOT fatter, thicker, warmer, greasier than Evolver, very analog, very nice bass. Reminds me a lot of a Pro-One. Evolver sounds more like a box of aliens and their android servants after they've eaten Martian shrooms or something, kind of like a slightly thinly voiced Prophet VS. For versatility, Evolver wins, hands down. Routing wise, Evolver has a lot more going on, and the interface seems nicer (to me, for live settings and rapid programming purposes) with a matrix and no more than two button presses to get to any parameter in the unit instead of menu pages.

I want a Mopho. I'd say get both.

$.02

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, dustin sedlacek <dustin.sedlacek@...> wrote:
>
> I have an Evolver and I love it, the triple tap delay is great, the feedback
> is amazing, the digital oscillators are capable of amazing things.
>
>
> I use the evolver as a programmable effects processor.
> 3 delay lines
> distortion
> high pass filter
> low pass filter with distortion
>
> Modulate the VCA with a digital oscillator for amplitude modulation ( sounds
> exactly like ring modulation but mathematically it is different)
>
> Use an LFO to modulate the feedback amount and frequency for a close flanger
> effect
>
> Use the gate extractor so that you can trigger the sequencer with your
> guitar
>
> Use the envelope follower on the filter or even better the delay time.
>
> Make almost anything sound like a circuit bent beast with the input/output
> hack parameter.
>
> Modulate the distortion amount with an LFO
>
> many many many things are possible with the evolver.
>
> oh and it can do everything the mopho can do ( except the sub oscillators
> would be digital on the evolver)
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:42 PM, wasteking1 <wasteking1@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > every synth has its "voice'--its personality. You really have to try a few
> > to feel out the diffrences. You might just simply love one over another.I
> > would say ive heard lame analog sounds and amazingly full digital ones. most
> > of that comes from the programming. I liked how the evolver series gives you
> > a digital/anaolg choice--- most sounds can usually benefit from a mix of the
> > 2 types to sound fuller, but this is up to you as programmer.
> >
> >
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "mobyturbo" <joshua613@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am not
> > certain if it should be a used desktop evolver or the desktop mopho, or
> > perhaps a mopho keyboard. Can you get good analog sounds out of the
> > evolver's analog circuits? What is the digital good for besides "industrial"
> > and other harsher sounds?
> > >
> > > (I don't really have much experience with synths, though I do a lot of
> > experimentation with my microkorg and with my computer, I think I should get
> > the real thing.)
> > >
> > > Sorry for the newbie questions and what might be a controversial topic.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Dustin
>



#6903 From: "keysolly" <timasolly@...>
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:41 pm
Subject: Re: mopho vs. evolver
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+1 for the Evolver.
And I agree the digital oscillators can be beautiful.
I had a Prophet for a while, but kept coming back to the Evolver because the
kind of monophonic patches I made on it could be reproduced on the Evolver, and
then some!
Such a full featured little synth, with so many colours. It's quite handily laid
out too if you don't mind 'shift' functions.
In that respect, the Mopho Keyboard looks like one his most refined designs yet.
You can now edit oscillators simultaneously, rather than adjusting things like
'glide' (portamento) for each separate oscillator.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, dustin sedlacek <dustin.sedlacek@...> wrote:
>
> I have an Evolver and I love it, the triple tap delay is great, the feedback
> is amazing, the digital oscillators are capable of amazing things.
>
>
> I use the evolver as a programmable effects processor.
> 3 delay lines
> distortion
> high pass filter
> low pass filter with distortion
>
> Modulate the VCA with a digital oscillator for amplitude modulation ( sounds
> exactly like ring modulation but mathematically it is different)
>
> Use an LFO to modulate the feedback amount and frequency for a close flanger
> effect
>
> Use the gate extractor so that you can trigger the sequencer with your
> guitar
>
> Use the envelope follower on the filter or even better the delay time.
>
> Make almost anything sound like a circuit bent beast with the input/output
> hack parameter.
>
> Modulate the distortion amount with an LFO
>
> many many many things are possible with the evolver.
>
> oh and it can do everything the mopho can do ( except the sub oscillators
> would be digital on the evolver)
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:42 PM, wasteking1 <wasteking1@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > every synth has its "voice'--its personality. You really have to try a few
> > to feel out the diffrences. You might just simply love one over another.I
> > would say ive heard lame analog sounds and amazingly full digital ones. most
> > of that comes from the programming. I liked how the evolver series gives you
> > a digital/anaolg choice--- most sounds can usually benefit from a mix of the
> > 2 types to sound fuller, but this is up to you as programmer.
> >
> >
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com <DSI_Evolver%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "mobyturbo" <joshua613@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm interested in picking up a new synth in a few months, but am not
> > certain if it should be a used desktop evolver or the desktop mopho, or
> > perhaps a mopho keyboard. Can you get good analog sounds out of the
> > evolver's analog circuits? What is the digital good for besides "industrial"
> > and other harsher sounds?
> > >
> > > (I don't really have much experience with synths, though I do a lot of
> > experimentation with my microkorg and with my computer, I think I should get
> > the real thing.)
> > >
> > > Sorry for the newbie questions and what might be a controversial topic.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Dustin
>

#6904 From: Scott Lawlor <sklawlor@...>
Date: Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:46 pm
Subject: introduction
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Hello.
 
I'm thinking about getting one of these poly evolver keyboards.
 
I currently have a kurzweil pc3 but since I'm blind, the menus are a bit much for me to memorize and since they roll over and there's no actual zero point, I figured that the evolver might be a good fit.
 
I like to feel the control as I work and with all these knobs and switches, I'm hoping this synth will be much more accessible for me.
 
I'd like to play more ambient electronic music and the people at sweetwater feel that this might be a good fit for me.
 
My inspirations for space and ambient music include people like Tangerine Dream, Steve Roach, Robert Rich, Free System Projekt, Jonn Serrie, Radio Massacre International and others.
 
I was using the sound tower software with the pc3 and I could go through the default sounds and presets but that was about it.  I don't know how useable this software is for someone who is blind.
 
There isn't anywhere locally for me to get my hands on this thing to check it out but I've heard some of the sounds listening to various YouTube videos and it sounds impressive.
 
I just wanted to write to say hi and I hope to learn a lot about this unit and gain some tips and tricks along the way.
 
Thanks for reading.
 
Scott
 
 
 

#6905 From: "vorbedacht" <robert.lasater@...>
Date: Wed Jul 7, 2010 6:23 pm
Subject: Painting PEK wooden end caps black.
vorbedacht
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Quick question, I'm looking to paint the wooden end caps on the poly evolver
keyboard black and was wondering what would work best if anyone else has some
some sort of similar modification for aesthetic purposes.

Best wishes!

#6906 From: James Elliott <johans121@...>
Date: Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [DSI Synths] introduction
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Scott,

I do not have any direct experience with the new polyevolvers with the potentiometer option, however I would imagine it would be much more user friendly for you than your kurzweil - to some degree. There is not a lot of menu diving on the polyevolver however there is some. For example, all of the main envelope, filter, oscillator, and vca controls would have fixed range pots. However, you would still need to be familiar with the ordering of the "destination list" for the third envelope (this has a free mod slot associated with it). I think the LFO controls are still endless encoders though, so you could be spinning those forever. The thing that would make the LFO section a little difficult, and this also applies for the delay's time parameters, is that the frequencey selection is in ascending order followed by clock divisions. So not only would you have to have the "destination list" memorized, you would also have to have the frequency/time/clock divisions memorized as well. Things would become a little tricky with the general modulation section (the modulation routings), the parameter section (where you set things like envelope shape, oscillator slop, and trigger modes), the sequencer section, and of course the global, program, and combo setting menus. Not only will those sections all have endless encoders, you will also need to memorize menu sequences for each of them.

With that said, I want to state that none of the menus are all that deep though, most are only one page. The only real exceptions would be the global, program, & combo menus. There is almost a one knob or button control for each parameter. For example, there is a knob for each envelope, lfo, filter, vca, oscillator, delay, feedback, and sequencer function. Also, there is a dedicated control for modulation destination for the third envelope and each of the lfo's. There is also a source, destination, and value knob for each parameter in the general modulation section - you just have to be familiar with the ordering of each list for each of the modulation source and destination functions (this also includes the envelope & lfo as mentioned above).

Overall I don't think the polyevolver will provide as much of a challenge as the kurzweil, however, it won't necessarily be a cakewalk either.

As far as the polyevolver and ambient music production goes. Well, they go hand in hand. If you could manage to wrap your head around some of the endless encoders, some of the weird parameter listings (like lfo & delay frequency, glide controls, pre-post high pass filter modes, and the pre-post external input volume level) I think you would be rewarded with beautiful evolving soundscapes.

I hope I've managed to help you along in your journey....

Take care,
Jim


From: Scott Lawlor <sklawlor@...>
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, June 30, 2010 8:46:56 AM
Subject: [DSI Synths] introduction

 

Hello.
 
I'm thinking about getting one of these poly evolver keyboards.
 
I currently have a kurzweil pc3 but since I'm blind, the menus are a bit much for me to memorize and since they roll over and there's no actual zero point, I figured that the evolver might be a good fit.
 
I like to feel the control as I work and with all these knobs and switches, I'm hoping this synth will be much more accessible for me.
 
I'd like to play more ambient electronic music and the people at sweetwater feel that this might be a good fit for me.
 
My inspirations for space and ambient music include people like Tangerine Dream, Steve Roach, Robert Rich, Free System Projekt, Jonn Serrie, Radio Massacre International and others.
 
I was using the sound tower software with the pc3 and I could go through the default sounds and presets but that was about it.  I don't know how useable this software is for someone who is blind.
 
There isn't anywhere locally for me to get my hands on this thing to check it out but I've heard some of the sounds listening to various YouTube videos and it sounds impressive.
 
I just wanted to write to say hi and I hope to learn a lot about this unit and gain some tips and tricks along the way.
 
Thanks for reading.
 
Scott
 
 
 


#6907 From: Scott Lawlor <sklawlor@...>
Date: Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:39 pm
Subject: Re: [DSI Synths] introduction
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Hi James.
 
Thanks for the info.
 
I was also considering the possibility of a different setup like using a midi controler like the CakeWalk a-800 with a dedicated pc for recording and the omnisphere softsynth.  I'm told though that realtime control with softsynths via midi controlers isn't as standard or as integrated as it could be because different manufacturers have different standards for a lot of this stuff.
 
I wonder if there's a keyboard like the poly evolver that doesn't have menus at all?  I was going to look into the arturia origin as well but I don't know a whole lot about that one.
 
Scott
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [DSI Synths] introduction

 

Scott,

I do not have any direct experience with the new polyevolvers with the potentiometer option, however I would imagine it would be much more user friendly for you than your kurzweil - to some degree. There is not a lot of menu diving on the polyevolver however there is some. For example, all of the main envelope, filter, oscillator, and vca controls would have fixed range pots. However, you would still need to be familiar with the ordering of the "destination list" for the third envelope (this has a free mod slot associated with it). I think the LFO controls are still endless encoders though, so you could be spinning those forever. The thing that would make the LFO section a little difficult, and this also applies for the delay's time parameters, is that the frequencey selection is in ascending order followed by clock divisions. So not only would you have to have the "destination list" memorized, you would also have to have the frequency/time/clock divisions memorized as well. Things would become a little tricky with the general modulation section (the modulation routings), the parameter section (where you set things like envelope shape, oscillator slop, and trigger modes), the sequencer section, and of course the global, program, and combo setting menus. Not only will those sections all have endless encoders, you will also need to memorize menu sequences for each of them.

With that said, I want to state that none of the menus are all that deep though, most are only one page. The only real exceptions would be the global, program, & combo menus. There is almost a one knob or button control for each parameter. For example, there is a knob for each envelope, lfo, filter, vca, oscillator, delay, feedback, and sequencer function. Also, there is a dedicated control for modulation destination for the third envelope and each of the lfo's. There is also a source, destination, and value knob for each parameter in the general modulation section - you just have to be familiar with the ordering of each list for each of the modulation source and destination functions (this also includes the envelope & lfo as mentioned above).

Overall I don't think the polyevolver will provide as much of a challenge as the kurzweil, however, it won't necessarily be a cakewalk either.

As far as the polyevolver and ambient music production goes. Well, they go hand in hand. If you could manage to wrap your head around some of the endless encoders, some of the weird parameter listings (like lfo & delay frequency, glide controls, pre-post high pass filter modes, and the pre-post external input volume level) I think you would be rewarded with beautiful evolving soundscapes.

I hope I've managed to help you along in your journey....

Take care,
Jim


From: Scott Lawlor <sklawlor@mac.com>
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, June 30, 2010 8:46:56 AM
Subject: [DSI Synths] introduction

 

Hello.
 
I'm thinking about getting one of these poly evolver keyboards.
 
I currently have a kurzweil pc3 but since I'm blind, the menus are a bit much for me to memorize and since they roll over and there's no actual zero point, I figured that the evolver might be a good fit.
 
I like to feel the control as I work and with all these knobs and switches, I'm hoping this synth will be much more accessible for me.
 
I'd like to play more ambient electronic music and the people at sweetwater feel that this might be a good fit for me.
 
My inspirations for space and ambient music include people like Tangerine Dream, Steve Roach, Robert Rich, Free System Projekt, Jonn Serrie, Radio Massacre International and others.
 
I was using the sound tower software with the pc3 and I could go through the default sounds and presets but that was about it.  I don't know how useable this software is for someone who is blind.
 
There isn't anywhere locally for me to get my hands on this thing to check it out but I've heard some of the sounds listening to various YouTube videos and it sounds impressive.
 
I just wanted to write to say hi and I hope to learn a lot about this unit and gain some tips and tricks along the way.
 
Thanks for reading.
 
Scott
 
 
 


#6908 From: James Elliott <johans121@...>
Date: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:14 pm
Subject: Re: [DSI Synths] introduction
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Scott, unfortunately, I don't know of any new synths that would fit that criteria. The only think I could recommend are classic analogs. I think the most flexible analog polysynths with no menus would be the prophet 5, jupiter 6 & 8, and the oberheims i.e. ob8.

Stay far far away from the alesis andromeda even though it has at least 150,000 real time controls it probably has as much if not more menu diving than the most complex Kurzweils.

I know a couple other fellows from other synth mailing lists who have lost their eyesight that might be able to give you some better advice than I.

Rick Massey: seafox@...
Veli-Pekka Tätilä: vtatila@...

I don't know either of them personally, however, I'm sure neither would mind helping you out.

-Jim



From: Scott Lawlor <sklawlor@...>
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:39:38 AM
Subject: Re: [DSI Synths] introduction

 



Hi James.
 
Thanks for the info.
 
I was also considering the possibility of a different setup like using a midi controler like the CakeWalk a-800 with a dedicated pc for recording and the omnisphere softsynth.  I'm told though that realtime control with softsynths via midi controlers isn't as standard or as integrated as it could be because different manufacturers have different standards for a lot of this stuff.
 
I wonder if there's a keyboard like the poly evolver that doesn't have menus at all?  I was going to look into the arturia origin as well but I don't know a whole lot about that one.
 
Scott
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [DSI Synths] introduction

 

Scott,

I do not have any direct experience with the new polyevolvers with the potentiometer option, however I would imagine it would be much more user friendly for you than your kurzweil - to some degree. There is not a lot of menu diving on the polyevolver however there is some. For example, all of the main envelope, filter, oscillator, and vca controls would have fixed range pots. However, you would still need to be familiar with the ordering of the "destination list" for the third envelope (this has a free mod slot associated with it). I think the LFO controls are still endless encoders though, so you could be spinning those forever. The thing that would make the LFO section a little difficult, and this also applies for the delay's time parameters, is that the frequencey selection is in ascending order followed by clock divisions. So not only would you have to have the "destination list" memorized, you would also have to have the frequency/time/ clock divisions memorized as well. Things would become a little tricky with the general modulation section (the modulation routings), the parameter section (where you set things like envelope shape, oscillator slop, and trigger modes), the sequencer section, and of course the global, program, and combo setting menus. Not only will those sections all have endless encoders, you will also need to memorize menu sequences for each of them.

With that said, I want to state that none of the menus are all that deep though, most are only one page. The only real exceptions would be the global, program, & combo menus. There is almost a one knob or button control for each parameter. For example, there is a knob for each envelope, lfo, filter, vca, oscillator, delay, feedback, and sequencer function. Also, there is a dedicated control for modulation destination for the third envelope and each of the lfo's. There is also a source, destination, and value knob for each parameter in the general modulation section - you just have to be familiar with the ordering of each list for each of the modulation source and destination functions (this also includes the envelope & lfo as mentioned above).

Overall I don't think the polyevolver will provide as much of a challenge as the kurzweil, however, it won't necessarily be a cakewalk either.

As far as the polyevolver and ambient music production goes. Well, they go hand in hand. If you could manage to wrap your head around some of the endless encoders, some of the weird parameter listings (like lfo & delay frequency, glide controls, pre-post high pass filter modes, and the pre-post external input volume level) I think you would be rewarded with beautiful evolving soundscapes.

I hope I've managed to help you along in your journey....

Take care,
Jim


From: Scott Lawlor <sklawlor@mac. com>
To: DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, June 30, 2010 8:46:56 AM
Subject: [DSI Synths] introduction

 

Hello.
 
I'm thinking about getting one of these poly evolver keyboards.
 
I currently have a kurzweil pc3 but since I'm blind, the menus are a bit much for me to memorize and since they roll over and there's no actual zero point, I figured that the evolver might be a good fit.
 
I like to feel the control as I work and with all these knobs and switches, I'm hoping this synth will be much more accessible for me.
 
I'd like to play more ambient electronic music and the people at sweetwater feel that this might be a good fit for me.
 
My inspirations for space and ambient music include people like Tangerine Dream, Steve Roach, Robert Rich, Free System Projekt, Jonn Serrie, Radio Massacre International and others.
 
I was using the sound tower software with the pc3 and I could go through the default sounds and presets but that was about it.  I don't know how useable this software is for someone who is blind.
 
There isn't anywhere locally for me to get my hands on this thing to check it out but I've heard some of the sounds listening to various YouTube videos and it sounds impressive.
 
I just wanted to write to say hi and I hope to learn a lot about this unit and gain some tips and tricks along the way.
 
Thanks for reading.
 
Scott
 
 
 



#6909 From: Scott Lawlor <sklawlor@...>
Date: Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:38 pm
Subject: Re: [DSI Synths] introduction
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Hi James.

I can use menus to a degree but what I find troublesome in most new gear is
that they are rolllover menus that don't have a zero point.  So when you go
into a menu on the evolver for instance and come out of it, does it remember
where you were the next time you enter that same page or does it go back to
a default place?  And when you say the encoders are endless, wouldn't I be
able to tell where it begins and ends based on the character of the sound
I'm changing?  For instance, and I don't know a whole lot about this so I
hope my example is accurate.  If I apply ring modulation to a sound and keep
turning the knob for that parameter, eventually wouldn't it get to a point
where you couldn't physically have that effect going, like you can only have
so much ring modulation and at some point, with an endless encoder, it will
cycle back to the point in the parameter adjustment where the effect would
no longer be present?

By the way, what's the potentiometer option?  I've seen that but don't know
what it means.

I'm very new to all this analog stuff in terms of applying it and knowing
the technical terms for it all.  My first keyboard was an ensoniq sq1 and I
used that for a good many years before I took a break from composing for a
while.  That was a digital board as you'll probably remember.   So is the
destination chain you're talking about something like the following?

I have a sound and I want to apply some effects to it like an echo delay and
chorus.  Is the destination the same thing as the order in which the effects
are applied to the dry sound source or is it simpler than that?

My wife and kid says that I have a propensity to complicate everything and
professors used to tell me the same thing as well so there's probably some
truth to that.

Thanks for the further help.

I emailed those dudes so hopefully I'll hear something soon.

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: James Elliott
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [DSI Synths] introduction



Scott, unfortunately, I don't know of any new synths that would fit that
criteria. The only think I could recommend are classic analogs. I think the
most flexible analog polysynths with no menus would be the prophet 5,
jupiter 6 & 8, and the oberheims i.e. ob8.

Stay far far away from the alesis andromeda even though it has at least
150,000 real time controls it probably has as much if not more menu diving
than the most complex Kurzweils.

I know a couple other fellows from other synth mailing lists who have lost
their eyesight that might be able to give you some better advice than I.

Rick Massey: seafox@...
Veli-Pekka Tätilä: vtatila@...

I don't know either of them personally, however, I'm sure neither would mind
helping you out.

-Jim







From: Scott Lawlor <sklawlor@...>
To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:39:38 AM
Subject: Re: [DSI Synths] introduction



Hi James.

Thanks for the info.

I was also considering the possibility of a different setup like using a
midi controler like the CakeWalk a-800 with a dedicated pc for recording and
the omnisphere softsynth.  I'm told though that realtime control with
softsynths via midi controlers isn't as standard or as integrated as it
could be because different manufacturers have different standards for a lot
of this stuff.

I wonder if there's a keyboard like the poly evolver that doesn't have menus
at all?  I was going to look into the arturia origin as well but I don't
know a whole lot about that one.

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: James Elliott
To: DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [DSI Synths] introduction



Scott,

I do not have any direct experience with the new polyevolvers with the
potentiometer option, however I would imagine it would be much more user
friendly for you than your kurzweil - to some degree. There is not a lot of
menu diving on the polyevolver however there is some. For example, all of
the main envelope, filter, oscillator, and vca controls would have fixed
range pots. However, you would still need to be familiar with the ordering
of the "destination list" for the third envelope (this has a free mod slot
associated with it). I think the LFO controls are still endless encoders
though, so you could be spinning those forever. The thing that would make
the LFO section a little difficult, and this also applies for the delay's
time parameters, is that the frequencey selection is in ascending order
followed by clock divisions. So not only would you have to have the
"destination list" memorized, you would also have to have the
frequency/time/ clock divisions memorized as well. Things would become a
little tricky with the general modulation section (the modulation routings),
the parameter section (where you set things like envelope shape, oscillator
slop, and trigger modes), the sequencer section, and of course the global,
program, and combo setting menus. Not only will those sections all have
endless encoders, you will also need to memorize menu sequences for each of
them.

With that said, I want to state that none of the menus are all that deep
though, most are only one page. The only real exceptions would be the
global, program, & combo menus. There is almost a one knob or button control
for each parameter. For example, there is a knob for each envelope, lfo,
filter, vca, oscillator, delay, feedback, and sequencer function. Also,
there is a dedicated control for modulation destination for the third
envelope and each of the lfo's. There is also a source, destination, and
value knob for each parameter in the general modulation section - you just
have to be familiar with the ordering of each list for each of the
modulation source and destination functions (this also includes the envelope
& lfo as mentioned above).

Overall I don't think the polyevolver will provide as much of a challenge as
the kurzweil, however, it won't necessarily be a cakewalk either.

As far as the polyevolver and ambient music production goes. Well, they go
hand in hand. If you could manage to wrap your head around some of the
endless encoders, some of the weird parameter listings (like lfo & delay
frequency, glide controls, pre-post high pass filter modes, and the pre-post
external input volume level) I think you would be rewarded with beautiful
evolving soundscapes.

I hope I've managed to help you along in your journey....

Take care,
Jim





From: Scott Lawlor <sklawlor@mac. com>
To: DSI_Evolver@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, June 30, 2010 8:46:56 AM
Subject: [DSI Synths] introduction


Hello.

I'm thinking about getting one of these poly evolver keyboards.

I currently have a kurzweil pc3 but since I'm blind, the menus are a bit
much for me to memorize and since they roll over and there's no actual zero
point, I figured that the evolver might be a good fit.

I like to feel the control as I work and with all these knobs and switches,
I'm hoping this synth will be much more accessible for me.

I'd like to play more ambient electronic music and the people at sweetwater
feel that this might be a good fit for me.

My inspirations for space and ambient music include people like Tangerine
Dream, Steve Roach, Robert Rich, Free System Projekt, Jonn Serrie, Radio
Massacre International and others.

I was using the sound tower software with the pc3 and I could go through the
default sounds and presets but that was about it.  I don't know how useable
this software is for someone who is blind.

There isn't anywhere locally for me to get my hands on this thing to check
it out but I've heard some of the sounds listening to various YouTube videos
and it sounds impressive.

I just wanted to write to say hi and I hope to learn a lot about this unit
and gain some tips and tricks along the way.

Thanks for reading.

Scott

#6910 From: Andrea TONI <atoni@...>
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:31 am
Subject: Re: introduction
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Hello Scott,

even if they are not consider top of the line synths

u can have a try at the Roland SH201 and the new GAIA
no menus nice simple UI, cheap , good sounding ... straight to the point

Andrea

>>>

I wonder if there's a keyboard like the poly evolver that doesn't have menus at
all? I was going to look into the arturia origin as well but I don't know a
whole lot about that one.

Scott

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