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Hello to list. Sorry I've been away so long.

Yesterday I took delivery of the new 149 Quantized/Stored
Random Voltages and I thought I'd inflict you all with my first
impressions..

Interesting little bug indeed.

As always, I am the WORST when it comes to reading manuals
and spent about an hour with it before I downloaded Dieters
instructions. Once I did, things that I was noticed were 'oddly
related' made a lot more sense and I suggest to the lovers of all
things random out there that you do the download first, because
if you leave it to Don Buchla's typically cryptic graphics (which
Dieter also incorporated), like me you won't really have a clue
what is actually going on.

The top half first:

The top half of the 149 consists of two separate outputs of
quantized stepped random voltages. Given that both run off the
same random source, they track each other in a remarkable way,
which again is modeled after the characteristics of the Buchla
266. The top output (n+1) is quantized in 1V increments and the
bottom one (n squared) in 1/12 volt increments. Connected to
the 1V/oct input of a VCO, this means that one is giving you
octaves and the other semitones - and because both run off the
same random source, they track one another. Connecting two
VCOs (one to each of the two quantized outputs) will yield some
intriguing counterpoints which every once in a while resolve
themselves to unisons.

There is a pot which controls the depth of the spread which can
also be controlled by an external input. The level of this VC can
be attenuated manually with its level pot.

One thing to mention: the 149, at least mine, reacts to the
TRAILING EDGE of the incoming clock. If you want your
envelope to to track these voltage changes, you're going to have
to invert its trigger (an 165 being the easiest solution) to get it in
sync with what's coming out of the 149. It took me a while to
realize this as I thought at first the n squared out was frequency
doubled from n+1 ( the second reacting tto both rising and failing
edges).

Outside of the usual applications, my immediate thought was
using the N+1 out to control the 1V/oct VC input of an LFO used
to pace a sound event, thus rendering random musical rhythmic
intervals. Being a big fan of this type of control, I have a pretty
good idea where the n+1 is going to get a lot of use.

The bottom half:

The bottom half behaves in a less predicable manner than the
quantized section. It's outputs relfect a true random selection of
256 available levels generated within the module, also in
accordance with the conventions of the Buchla 266. So, yeah, it's
not true random in that there are only 256 possible resolutions,
but the net effect is pretty much the same. I guess what I'm really
saying is that limitation is not perceivable to me.

The top output will give you a sampling from all 256 levels at any
given time. The bottom output has an adjustable range (either a
pot or external VC) which in effect allows you to tune the
bandwidth of these fluctations. Although I;m not 100% positive, I
think it's reacting like a low Q bandpass filter, the peak of which
is the pointer of the pot. But instead of passing voltage, you're
passing and attenuating numbers within the range of 256. . Fully
CCW will attenuate the high numbers and give you emphasis on
the low numbers with a gradual taper into the mid range.
Centering the pot will emphasize the center with a graudual
taper to both the low and high ends, and fully CW will fully
attenuate the lower scale and give emphasis on the high
numbers with a gradual taper into the mid.

In any event, the result is very musical. Atonal, but musical if that
makes any sense.

One thing to mention is the while this module is set up like and
behaves much in the manner of the Buchla 266, Dieter's method
to derive the random internally is not the same as Buchla's
approach. Dieter opted for digital noise while Don Buchla used
a noise-modulated triangle wave as the source, much like Serge
and Wiard did, but their's use a saw wave. Because this
difference (digital noise), I would be interested to hear the 149
agianst a 266. I know of a 266 locally and wil be suggesting a
face off in the newar future and will report back to you all,
possibly even with audio examples.

In any event - if you're lover of random voltage as I am (my
system now has six souces for stepped random) - buy the 149,
it's great.

hope this helps,

Peter







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Wed Dec 24, 2003 5:46 pm

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Hello to list. Sorry I've been away so long. Yesterday I took delivery of the new 149 Quantized/Stored Random Voltages and I thought I'd inflict you all with...
(i think you can figu...
petergrenader
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Dec 24, 2003
5:46 pm

Hey, Peter -- awesome post. Sound files -- any kind of sound files -- would be very interesting to hear, if you get a chance. It's easier to get the ...
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modularcharles
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Dec 24, 2003
6:00 pm

haha, I agree fully :-D I do feel the people who speak badly about the a100 are abit jealous, they always talk about mini-jacks..boring boring :-D John ... ...
jmaddocks1975
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Dec 24, 2003
6:17 pm

That was hysterical - the bit about 1/4 inch jacks and baked potatoes and I hear you. Some of those guys are bunch of whiners! I will post sound when I can....
(i think you can figu...
petergrenader
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Dec 24, 2003
6:24 pm

Interesting description ! What I understood from the A149-1 description on Doepfer's site, (listening with a statistician's ear) is that the upper output from ...
levka0
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Dec 24, 2003
10:32 pm

... <snip> I got mine today, thanks Doug... Great module. It will be intersting to see if a 3rd module comes to light, I believe the SOU had a quad...
Tommy DOG
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Dec 25, 2003
12:07 am

" I believe the SOU had a quad sample/hold output and a noise source." There were more differences along with thie noise and the sample and hold -(which...
(i think you can figu...
petergrenader
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Dec 25, 2003
3:48 pm

If everyone who bought the 149-1 was as happy as I was, I suspect there is enough demand for a part 3. I know that I will buy the 149-2 as soon as it is ready...
Tommy DOG
revmutt
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Dec 25, 2003
4:46 pm

Is the A-172 available? According to Doepfer it is, but it's not even listed at the US site SonicHighway.com, although Sonic Highway list many of the modules...
p. hendricks
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Dec 25, 2003
11:10 pm

... even listed ... of the ... yes, it's shipping. doug sent one out to me (along w an a149-1) last week. hopefully i'll get it tomorrow, will report back...
ps_minor
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Dec 25, 2003
11:33 pm

hello phil, i have an a172 and i like it very much. i often use it as limiter or rectifier for cv voltages, a really handy module. best wishes ingo ... even...
selfoscillate
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Dec 29, 2003
1:56 pm

when did this get so expensive? $450 US dollars? (at Sonic Highway) the last one I got from enport was about $320(and was sold as new but didn't look very new-...
p. hendricks
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Dec 26, 2003
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Betcha anything this has to do with the relationship currently enjoyed between the USD and Euro. Read: nobody';s getting greedy here). if it's any...
(i think you can figu...
petergrenader
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Dec 27, 2003
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On 12/27/03 9:25 AM, "(i think you can figure that out)" ... yeah, I know, sure the dollar is weak, good for Blacet, Wiard, MOTM, and the US companies at...
p. hendricks
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Dec 28, 2003
4:08 am

It´s a revenge-thing! Because Apple is charging Europeans so much more for their computer and stuff here, we return the favour now with Doepfer...;))) ... ...
tompaulsen2002
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Jan 13, 2004
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Now with a day or two under it's (read: my) belt, it seems I was full of it on my initial commentary on the A149 on a couple of fronts: It seems that the top...
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