dieter says:
"today we published two new preliminary A-100 pages on
our web site: A-196 PLL and A-167
Comparator/Subtractor/Offset Generator.

Yesterday I talked to Bob Williams of Analogue Systems
concerning the VU meter. Bob is a friend of mine and
we already had a common both 2 years ago at the NAMM.
We talk together now and then as we very often have
the same problems and help each other e.g. to find out
the best supplier or to work together on a supplier
(e.g. because of the contact problems of the sockets
as we use the same sockets from the same supplier).
Bob told me that he would supply us with the VU meters
he uses and that he would not have a problem if we
manufacture a VU meter too (I do not want to annoy
even analog modular competitors as - from my point of
view - we are all in the same boat). But the meters
are very expensive (about 44 English pounds in small
quantities) and I'm not sure if the customers are
willing to pay more than 100 Euros for a VU meter. But
you see that we keep at it but I'm not sure if we will
use the meters from Bob.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer"




COMMENTS??????
I WANT THE METER!:-)
BAKIS.




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In a message dated 7/2/2003 2:37:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
synth_freak_2000@... writes:


> : A-196 PLL and A-167
> Comparator/Subtractor/Offset Generator



mr. doepfer, bakis and list,
  a resounding yes on these 2 !
best,
dave



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I agree, and want to add a thumbs up for the VU as well.

Regards,
Kevin

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, davevosh@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 7/2/2003 2:37:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> synth_freak_2000@y... writes:
>
>
> > : A-196 PLL and A-167
> > Comparator/Subtractor/Offset Generator
>
>
>
> mr. doepfer, bakis and list,
>  a resounding yes on these 2 !
> best,
> dave
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

i agree with dieter regarding the price.

best wishes

ingo


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
<synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> dieter says:
> "today we published two new preliminary A-100 pages on
> our web site: A-196 PLL and A-167
> Comparator/Subtractor/Offset Generator.
>
> Yesterday I talked to Bob Williams of Analogue Systems
> concerning the VU meter. Bob is a friend of mine and
> we already had a common both 2 years ago at the NAMM.
> We talk together now and then as we very often have
> the same problems and help each other e.g. to find out
> the best supplier or to work together on a supplier
> (e.g. because of the contact problems of the sockets
> as we use the same sockets from the same supplier).
> Bob told me that he would supply us with the VU meters
> he uses and that he would not have a problem if we
> manufacture a VU meter too (I do not want to annoy
> even analog modular competitors as - from my point of
> view - we are all in the same boat). But the meters
> are very expensive (about 44 English pounds in small
> quantities) and I'm not sure if the customers are
> willing to pay more than 100 Euros for a VU meter. But
> you see that we keep at it but I'm not sure if we will
> use the meters from Bob.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer"
>
>
>
>
> COMMENTS??????
> I WANT THE METER!:-)
> BAKIS.
>
>
>
>
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--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
<synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> dieter says:
> "today we published two new preliminary A-100 pages on
> our web site: A-196 PLL and A-167
> Comparator/Subtractor/Offset Generator.

great. i'll add these modules to my system for sure.

best wishes

ingo

Regarding the new prospected modules (although not perfect to my taste) they
are all very good enough and I am looking forward to the A133,A172,A167 and
A196. I rate them as a bunch 9 out of 10 for me. Concerning the Vu meter I
find 100 euro ok as a price but then it has to include many of the functions
that has been discussed here, you all know the features that has been up,
cromatic tuner etc.... I can even consider paying more if it turns out
really good, but for something very basic and a bit flimsy I think 100 is
too much for me. So a prospect of features on the planned VUmodule would
help to tell if the price is fair or not. I am also a bit curious about the
196, what kind of cheap VCO is in that unit that makes it cheaper than a
standard VCO? Can it also be used as a plain VCO?

/Andreas


> dieter says:
> "today we published two new preliminary A-100 pages on
> our web site: A-196 PLL and A-167
> Comparator/Subtractor/Offset Generator.
>

hi andreas,
the vco of the a196 is a vco with a pulse only
output.(maybe that is the reason of the low
price).but,apart from that,it also, has a linear cv
input.that means that you can control it with your
ms20(if you have one...).it's the only a100 vco with
Hz/volt response.
btw,it is to be used with the whole PLL circuit and
not as a standard vco...but,if you want,you can use it
this way,too.
bakis.


--- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@...>
wrote:
>
> Regarding the new prospected modules (although not
> perfect to my taste) they
> are all very good enough and I am looking forward to
> the A133,A172,A167 and
> A196. I rate them as a bunch 9 out of 10 for me.
> Concerning the Vu meter I
> find 100 euro ok as a price but then it has to
> include many of the functions
> that has been discussed here, you all know the
> features that has been up,
> cromatic tuner etc.... I can even consider paying
> more if it turns out
> really good, but for something very basic and a bit
> flimsy I think 100 is
> too much for me. So a prospect of features on the
> planned VUmodule would
> help to tell if the price is fair or not. I am also
> a bit curious about the
> 196, what kind of cheap VCO is in that unit that
> makes it cheaper than a
> standard VCO? Can it also be used as a plain VCO?
>
> /Andreas
>
>
> > dieter says:
> > "today we published two new preliminary A-100
> pages on
> > our web site: A-196 PLL and A-167
> > Comparator/Subtractor/Offset Generator.
> >
>
>
>


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Sqaure only is fine with me that is my favorite wave =) But why it is
Hz/volt beats me... I am sure there is a logical explanation, but for me
that is a big no-no I have no such gear. Anyway the PLL is not at the top of
my purchasing list so don't bother to much about my gripes with that
particular module.

/Andreas


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@...>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] I like the new modules - thumbs up.


> hi andreas,
> the vco of the a196 is a vco with a pulse only
> output.(maybe that is the reason of the low
> price).but,apart from that,it also, has a linear cv
> input.that means that you can control it with your
> ms20(if you have one...).it's the only a100 vco with
> Hz/volt response.
> btw,it is to be used with the whole PLL circuit and
> not as a standard vco...but,if you want,you can use it
> this way,too.
> bakis.
>
>
> --- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Regarding the new prospected modules (although not
> > perfect to my taste) they
> > are all very good enough and I am looking forward to
> > the A133,A172,A167 and
> > A196. I rate them as a bunch 9 out of 10 for me.
> > Concerning the Vu meter I
> > find 100 euro ok as a price but then it has to
> > include many of the functions
> > that has been discussed here, you all know the
> > features that has been up,
> > cromatic tuner etc.... I can even consider paying
> > more if it turns out
> > really good, but for something very basic and a bit
> > flimsy I think 100 is
> > too much for me. So a prospect of features on the
> > planned VUmodule would
> > help to tell if the price is fair or not. I am also
> > a bit curious about the
> > 196, what kind of cheap VCO is in that unit that
> > makes it cheaper than a
> > standard VCO? Can it also be used as a plain VCO?
> >
> > /Andreas
> >
> >
> > > dieter says:
> > > "today we published two new preliminary A-100
> > pages on
> > > our web site: A-196 PLL and A-167
> > > Comparator/Subtractor/Offset Generator.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@...> wrote:
> From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@...>
> To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@...>
> Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] I like the new modules -
> thumbs up.
> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:55:59 +0200
>
> Bakis, please forward ...
>
> > Concerning the Vu meter I find 100 euro ok as a
> price but then it has to
> include many of
> > the functions that has been discussed here, you
> all know the features that
> has been up,
> > cromatic tuner etc.... I can even consider paying
> more if it turns out
> > really good, but for something very basic and a
> bit flimsy I think 100 is
> > too much for me. So a prospect of features on the
> planned VUmodule would
> > help to tell if the price is fair or not.
>
> I think this will not be possible. Here is a simple
> calculation (our
> purchase prices):
>
> meter 44 GBP ~ 65 Euro
> front panel ~ 15...20 Euro
> pcb ~ 5 Euro
>
> So our purchase price will be at least 80 Euro
> without charges for
> development, assembly, writing manuals and so on.
> And you have to take into
> consideration that we have to give discount to every
> dealer/representative.
> So I have to correct myself. 100 Euro is too less
> for the final price of the
> VU (you will understand that we want to earn a few
> bugs too).
>
>
> > I am also a bit curious about the 196, what kind
> of cheap VCO is in that
> unit that makes it cheaper than a
> > standard VCO? Can it also be used as a plain VCO?
>
> The VCO in the A-196 is very simple as it is part of
> a closed-loop
> frequency-feedback system. It is not very stable (no
> temperature
> compensation), has only linear control input and
> only rectangle output with
> ~ 50% PW. For the PLL application this is OK as the
> frequency of the VCO is
> controlled in the feedback loop and the
> disadvantages mentioned above do not
> make any differences in the PLL application.
> Actually the VCO is part of the
> PLL circuit  used in the A-196 (insiders will know
> the 4046 PLL). The A-196
> VCO can be used a simple linear VCO but cannot be
> compared to the A-110 or
> A-111 that have exponential control, temperature
> compensation, different
> waveform outputs and PWM for the rectangle). These
> two parts of the normal
> VCO circuits (temperature compensated exp converter)
> are the large-scale
> parts of the circuit. We already considered a
> low-cost VCO bank made of
> several linear VCOs (4046 type) but we are not sure
> if this really makes
> sense.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>


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hi andras,
the vco is only a part of the whole PLL circuit.it's
the way that this circuit ,as a whole, works that
makes it interesting!so,you don't buy a PLL module to
use as a normal vco...you use this module for strange
vco behaviour that can be used creatively.after all
you wiol control the on-board vco frequency with your
"ext"(a100) vco.you don't need a hz/volt synth to make
it work,as a PLL vco.
bakis.


--- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@...>
wrote:
> Sqaure only is fine with me that is my favorite wave
> =) But why it is
> Hz/volt beats me... I am sure there is a logical
> explanation, but for me
> that is a big no-no I have no such gear. Anyway the
> PLL is not at the top of
> my purchasing list so don't bother to much about my
> gripes with that
> particular module.
>
> /Andreas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@...>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] I like the new modules -
> thumbs up.
>
>
> > hi andreas,
> > the vco of the a196 is a vco with a pulse only
> > output.(maybe that is the reason of the low
> > price).but,apart from that,it also, has a linear
> cv
> > input.that means that you can control it with your
> > ms20(if you have one...).it's the only a100 vco
> with
> > Hz/volt response.
> > btw,it is to be used with the whole PLL circuit
> and
> > not as a standard vco...but,if you want,you can
> use it
> > this way,too.
> > bakis.
> >
> >
> > --- Andreas Lindholm
> <andreas.k.lindholm@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Regarding the new prospected modules (although
> not
> > > perfect to my taste) they
> > > are all very good enough and I am looking
> forward to
> > > the A133,A172,A167 and
> > > A196. I rate them as a bunch 9 out of 10 for me.
> > > Concerning the Vu meter I
> > > find 100 euro ok as a price but then it has to
> > > include many of the functions
> > > that has been discussed here, you all know the
> > > features that has been up,
> > > cromatic tuner etc.... I can even consider
> paying
> > > more if it turns out
> > > really good, but for something very basic and a
> bit
> > > flimsy I think 100 is
> > > too much for me. So a prospect of features on
> the
> > > planned VUmodule would
> > > help to tell if the price is fair or not. I am
> also
> > > a bit curious about the
> > > 196, what kind of cheap VCO is in that unit that
> > > makes it cheaper than a
> > > standard VCO? Can it also be used as a plain
> VCO?
> > >
> > > /Andreas
> > >
> > >
> > > > dieter says:
> > > > "today we published two new preliminary A-100
> > > pages on
> > > > our web site: A-196 PLL and A-167
> > > > Comparator/Subtractor/Offset Generator.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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hi list,
dieter asked me to make a poll about the a154.(whether
it should be released as it is,without additional
features,or not...).it will be up for 10 days
only,so,please,vote,to get over the "ever changing"
a154,and have the real thing at last...
sadly,as doepfer said to me,the control section of the
a154 will not be able to handle audio
frequencies,because of the processor limitations.
also,take a look at the a167 analog comparator
page.they have included a sketch to explain the GAP
function of the module.
bakis.



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Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
Doepfer_a100 group:

Would you prefer doepfer to release the
A154 SEQUENCER CONTROLLER as it is
now,or add the suggested features(vc of
first and/or last step,etc...)?

   o release as it is now!
   o add the suggested features to it,first.


To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Doepfer_a100/surveys?id=11141049

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!

dieter says:
"We are about to test both final versions of A-107 and
A-154 this week as Christian goes on holiday next
week.We found some mistakes in the A-107 tables that
define the different filters in the A-107. This is no
problem but we have to test the latest prototype in
detail before it goes into production. Same is valid
for the A-154. It works as it is described on our web
site. The A-154 will have one small drawback as
assumed earlier: it will not work in the audio range
as the processor has to do so many tasks (especially
permanent AD conversions and the following
calculations for clock/PWM/adress generation). I ask
you to make one last poll for the A-154: should we
publish the module as it is (i.e. especially no CV
inputs for first/last step) or add the suggested
features.
I expect no problems for the modules A-172 Min/Max,
A-133 Polarizer and A-167 Comparator. So I'm quite
confident that they will be available in fall (maybe
already in September). For the A-149-1 SOU and A-196
PLL we still have to make some tests before I can
promise anything. But I'm sure that these modules will
be available still this year. If no problem occur for
the A-149-1 and A-196 they will come in the same
production series as the A-172/133/167."







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On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Bakis Sirros wrote:

> hi list,
> dieter asked me to make a poll about the a154.(whether
> it should be released as it is,without additional
> features,or not...).it will be up for 10 days
> only,so,please,vote,to get over the "ever changing"
> a154,and have the real thing at last...
> sadly,as doepfer said to me,the control section of the
> a154 will not be able to handle audio
> frequencies,because of the processor limitations.

Hm, my plan was to get the 154 and a second 155 when the 154 became
available... but my current 155 has the older controller design that
allows audio rate operation, which I rather like. I wonder if it would be
possible to DIY a switch between the two controller ribbons?

-Brandon
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> Subject: Re: new info from doepfer!!(NEW MODULE...
>
> I agree, and want to add a thumbs up for the VU as well.


I'd like to see a VU meter from Doepfer too  :-)

Hello list
I've been using doepfer for about three years (only!)
I bought one box and I have nearly second full
but more and more I am feeling distant with new modules.
maybe SOU interests me but for others it seems to go more and more
into complications which I feel si more about the "craze" of doepfer
than also understand this machine as a live electronic instrument. I
still think that modules like manual gate or other kind of practical
functionning and manipulation oriented modules are badly badly
missing. I know it seems stupid, because maybe I am really alone here
with this idea of using A100 as a live playable instrument and not
only as a furniture in my room or studio, and therefore maybe I am
really the only to need modules such as manual gate.
Hhhhmmm, I dont know really, I am a bit nervous now.
what do you think, list, bakkis, dieter....?
Thanks
Alexandre

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Brandon Daniel <bdu@f...> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Bakis Sirros wrote:
>
> > hi list,
> > dieter asked me to make a poll about the a154.(whether
> > it should be released as it is,without additional
> > features,or not...).it will be up for 10 days
> > only,so,please,vote,to get over the "ever changing"
> > a154,and have the real thing at last...
> > sadly,as doepfer said to me,the control section of the
> > a154 will not be able to handle audio
> > frequencies,because of the processor limitations.
>
> Hm, my plan was to get the 154 and a second 155 when the 154 became
> available... but my current 155 has the older controller design that
> allows audio rate operation, which I rather like. I wonder if it
would be
> possible to DIY a switch between the two controller ribbons?
>
> -Brandon

yes, this is really important.
would be great, if we could choose using the a155's with
or without the a154. especially when the a196 gets available,
i'm sure that many people want to use their a155's as
graphic vco's too (just like suggested in the a196 description).
maybe there is a simple solution?

best wishes

ingo

hello alexandre,

manual gate module is fine, but i think dieter made clear
that it is impossible developing more modules at the
same time. many people claimed, that the modules he already
started with, should be finished first before coming up with
more new stuff.
anyway i would like to see such a module too, but i think
we have to wait for it for very understandable reasons.

best wishes

ingo


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Bilinger" <x2wm@h...> wrote:
> Hello list
> I've been using doepfer for about three years (only!)
> I bought one box and I have nearly second full
> but more and more I am feeling distant with new modules.
> maybe SOU interests me but for others it seems to go more and more
> into complications which I feel si more about the "craze" of
doepfer
> than also understand this machine as a live electronic instrument.
I
> still think that modules like manual gate or other kind of
practical
> functionning and manipulation oriented modules are badly badly
> missing. I know it seems stupid, because maybe I am really alone
here
> with this idea of using A100 as a live playable instrument and not
> only as a furniture in my room or studio, and therefore maybe I am
> really the only to need modules such as manual gate.
> Hhhhmmm, I dont know really, I am a bit nervous now.
> what do you think, list, bakkis, dieter....?
> Thanks
> Alexandre

Hi Andreas

> Square only is fine with me that is my favorite wave =) But why it is
> Hz/volt beats me... I am sure there is a logical explanation, but for me
> that is a big no-no I have no such gear.
Every VCO on a A100 (and any other analogue synth) works internally with
Hz/V ;-).

The CV insert is used for inserting an additional filter or a slew limiter.
Especially a VCF in this CV-Path instead of the built in fixed Filter
increases the usable range of the PLL.

Florian

Hi Alexandre

> understand this machine as a live electronic instrument. I
> still think that modules like manual gate or other kind of practical
> functionning and manipulation oriented modules are badly badly
> missing.
Since I try to use the A-100 more and more as a live instrument I know what
you mean. The other side is, that it is very easy to build such modules on
your own.

Florian

hello alexander,
i think that each one of the new modules has it's own
use in a doepfer modular!i mean that for you maybe the
manualgate module is the most important of them all
but,for example,for me ,is the least
impostant!why?because i never use my a100 live on
stage.and,no,i don't have my a100 as a studio
furniture,either!it is my main instrument for all of
my latest tracks that i have written.and yes,the new
modules maybe more esoteric/exotic but i believe that
most of the modular users out there are waiting
exactly for this kind of "advanced" modules!of
course,you will have your manualgate module,in time.
bakis.



--- Bilinger <x2wm@...> wrote:
> Hello list
> I've been using doepfer for about three years
> (only!)
> I bought one box and I have nearly second full
> but more and more I am feeling distant with new
> modules.
> maybe SOU interests me but for others it seems to go
> more and more
> into complications which I feel si more about the
> "craze" of doepfer
> than also understand this machine as a live
> electronic instrument. I
> still think that modules like manual gate or other
> kind of practical
> functionning and manipulation oriented modules are
> badly badly
> missing. I know it seems stupid, because maybe I am
> really alone here
> with this idea of using A100 as a live playable
> instrument and not
> only as a furniture in my room or studio, and
> therefore maybe I am
> really the only to need modules such as manual gate.
> Hhhhmmm, I dont know really, I am a bit nervous now.
> what do you think, list, bakkis, dieter....?
> Thanks
> Alexandre
>
>


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theres a few more modules up for swaps.. nothing big, just an A116, A145 and
A121

http://www.port23.co.uk/a100/swaps/index.html

j

--- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@...> wrote:
> From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@...>
> To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@...>
> Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: about the a154 and
> the sketch of the a167 comparator module.
> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:24:24 +0200
>
> Bakis, please forward ....
>
> > > Hm, my plan was to get the 154 and a second 155
> when the 154 became
> > > available... but my current 155 has the older
> controller design that
> > > allows audio rate operation, which I rather
> like. I wonder if it would
> be
> > > possible to DIY a switch between the two
> controller ribbons?
> > >
> > > -Brandon
> >
> > yes, this is really important.
> > would be great, if we could choose using the
> a155's with
> > or without the a154. especially when the a196 gets
> available,
> > i'm sure that many people want to use their a155's
> as
> > graphic vco's too (just like suggested in the a196
> description).
> > maybe there is a simple solution?
>
> We will probably offer a switch module so that you
> can select between the
> "old" A-155 controller or the A-154. We made already
> a prototype with a 2x4
> way toggle switch but we think that a 2x4 way
> electronic switch (maybe
> voltage controlled) will be the better solution,
> especially as a small
> manual 2x4 switch is very expensive (4 signals have
> to be switched at a
> time: adresses A0, A1 and A2, and clock).
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>


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--- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@...> wrote:
> From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@...>
> To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@...>
> Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] hhhmmm, losing my
> interest
> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:24:25 +0200
>
> Bakis, please forward ....
>
> > I bought one box and I have nearly second full
> > but more and more I am feeling distant with new
> modules.
> > maybe SOU interests me but for others it seems to
> go more and more
> > into complications which I feel si more about the
> "craze" of doepfer
> > than also understand this machine as a live
> electronic instrument. I
> > still think that modules like manual gate or other
> kind of practical
> > functionning and manipulation oriented modules are
> badly badly
> > missing. I know it seems stupid, because maybe I
> am really alone here
> > with this idea of using A100 as a live playable
> instrument and not
> > only as a furniture in my room or studio, and
> therefore maybe I am
> > really the only to need modules such as manual
> gate.
> > Hhhhmmm, I dont know really, I am a bit nervous
> now.
> > what do you think, list, bakkis, dieter....?
> > Thanks
> > Alexandre
>
> I cannot see why the VC polarizer, max/min, SOU, PLL
> or comparator should be
> not useful for playing the A-100 live. Some of the
> suggestions of the new
> modules came from musicians that play a lot of
> concerts live with A-100
> (Thilges 3). For the manual gate module the live use
> may be more obvious but
> I think that the other new modules will be useful
> for live applications too.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>


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--- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@...> wrote:
> From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@...>
> To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@...>
> Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] hhhmmm, losing my
> interest
> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:49:42 +0200
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Bakis Sirros
> [mailto:synth_freak_2000@...]
> > Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Juli 2003 09:56
> > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] hhhmmm, losing my
> interest
> >
> >
> > hello alexander,
> > i think that each one of the new modules has it's
> own
> > use in a doepfer modular!i mean that for you maybe
> the
> > manualgate module is the most important of them
> all
> > but,for example,for me ,is the least
> > impostant!why?because i never use my a100 live on
> > stage.and,no,i don't have my a100 as a studio
> > furniture,either!it is my main instrument for all
> of
> > my latest tracks that i have written.and yes,the
> new
> > modules maybe more esoteric/exotic but i believe
> that
> > most of the modular users out there are waiting
> > exactly for this kind of "advanced" modules!of
> > course,you will have your manualgate module,in
> time.
> > bakis.
>
> As mentioned earlier it is no problem for us to
> manufacture a manual gate
> module. If the members of the group reach an
> agreement upon the features of
> such a module we will try do manufacture such a
> module. Especially number,
> position and function (normal on/off or toggle) of
> the buttons and outputs
> will be important. The electronics behind the module
> will be very easy to
> develop. The module layout suggestion on our web
> site
> (www.doepfer.de/a164.htm) could be used as a
> discussion base. Concerning the
> gate level controls for 2 outputs the idea was to
> use the gate modul as a
> kind of "triggered voltage source" (similar to the
> A-176 but with manually
> triggered voltage generation, e.g. for VCF/VCA/VCO
> control, possibly via
> slew limiter A-170). Of course the same could be
> obtained by adding a VC
> switch (A-150) and CV source (A-176). But 2
> additional potentiometers in the
> manual gate module would be much cheaper. Of course
> the gate level controls
> can be omitted if nobody is interested. But the
> additional price would be
> only a few Euro (less than 10 Euro for 2 controls).
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>


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A switch would be essential, either as a separate item or incorporated
into the A154 (but I expect this would delay the module which I don't
want to happen)



David Salter

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	 -----Original Message-----
	 From: Bakis Sirros [mailto:synth_freak_2000@...]
	 Sent: 04 July 2003 12:24
	 To: Doepfer_a100 group
	 Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re:doepfer's comment about the a154
control section.



	 --- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@...> wrote:
	 > From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@...>
	 > To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@...>
	 > Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: about the a154 and
	 > the sketch of the a167 comparator module.
	 > Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:24:24 +0200
	 >
	 > Bakis, please forward ....
	 >
	 > > > Hm, my plan was to get the 154 and a second 155
	 > when the 154 became
	 > > > available... but my current 155 has the older
	 > controller design that
	 > > > allows audio rate operation, which I rather
	 > like. I wonder if it would
	 > be
	 > > > possible to DIY a switch between the two
	 > controller ribbons?
	 > > >
	 > > > -Brandon
	 > >
	 > > yes, this is really important.
	 > > would be great, if we could choose using the
	 > a155's with
	 > > or without the a154. especially when the a196 gets
	 > available,
	 > > i'm sure that many people want to use their a155's
	 > as
	 > > graphic vco's too (just like suggested in the a196
	 > description).
	 > > maybe there is a simple solution?
	 >
	 > We will probably offer a switch module so that you
	 > can select between the
	 > "old" A-155 controller or the A-154. We made already
	 > a prototype with a 2x4
	 > way toggle switch but we think that a 2x4 way
	 > electronic switch (maybe
	 > voltage controlled) will be the better solution,
	 > especially as a small
	 > manual 2x4 switch is very expensive (4 signals have
	 > to be switched at a
	 > time: adresses A0, A1 and A2, and clock).
	 >
	 > Best wishes
	 > Dieter Doepfer
	 >


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	 athens-greece
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--- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@...> wrote:
> From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@...>
> To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@...>
> Subject: low-cost digital multimeter suitable for
> A-100
> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:53:12 +0200
>
> To all who are interested in a digital multimeter
> suitable for A-100:
>
> The German electronic distributor Conrad
> (www.conrad.de) offers a low-cost
> digital multimeter (VC555) at 5.95 Euro (or even
> 3.95 Euro for a limited
> period). The advantage of this multimeter is the
> size: 52 width x 95 height
> x 26 thickness. The height is only 95 mm and this
> means one could e.g. place
> it on a A-100 blind panel e.g. by means of a
> double-sided self-adhesive tape
> or by screwing it to the panel. Normally multimeters
> are much bigger. We
> will never be able to offer a multimeter for the
> A-100 at such a good price.
> If there are sufficient inquiries we could ask our
> front panel manufacturer
> to manufacture a special blind panel with a
> rectangle hole that fits to the
> VC555 and a small hole for a 3.5 mm socket so that
> one could measure each
> A-100 signal. In this case the multimeter could be
> placed behind the front
> panel. But we would need at least 50 orders. Front
> panels in smaller
> quantities are too expensive due to the initial
> programming and tooling
> charges (same charges for 1, 50, 100 or 1000 front
> panels).
>
>
> Dieter Doepfer
>


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A good suggestion, but I have never expected the VU-module to become cheaper
than a cheap chinese multimeter. What about the rest of you? Bakis, wouldn't
a VU-meter with in Doepfer brand be much cooler? I have a multimeter, but
since I use my a100 also as "furniture" it looks cooler in the studio than a
rag-tag collection of gear glue, screwed och taped to the case... Not the
heaviest argument for many but for me it counts for me I like my stuff neat.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@...>
To: "Doepfer_a100 group" <doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 1:55 PM
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Fwd: low-cost digital multimeter suitable for
A-100(doepfer's suggestion...)


>
> --- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@...> wrote:
> > From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@...>
> > To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@...>
> > Subject: low-cost digital multimeter suitable for
> > A-100
> > Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:53:12 +0200
> >
> > To all who are interested in a digital multimeter
> > suitable for A-100:
> >
> > The German electronic distributor Conrad
> > (www.conrad.de) offers a low-cost
> > digital multimeter (VC555) at 5.95 Euro (or even
> > 3.95 Euro for a limited
> > period). The advantage of this multimeter is the
> > size: 52 width x 95 height
> > x 26 thickness. The height is only 95 mm and this
> > means one could e.g. place
> > it on a A-100 blind panel e.g. by means of a
> > double-sided self-adhesive tape
> > or by screwing it to the panel. Normally multimeters
> > are much bigger. We
> > will never be able to offer a multimeter for the
> > A-100 at such a good price.
> > If there are sufficient inquiries we could ask our
> > front panel manufacturer
> > to manufacture a special blind panel with a
> > rectangle hole that fits to the
> > VC555 and a small hole for a 3.5 mm socket so that
> > one could measure each
> > A-100 signal. In this case the multimeter could be
> > placed behind the front
> > panel. But we would need at least 50 orders. Front
> > panels in smaller
> > quantities are too expensive due to the initial
> > programming and tooling
> > charges (same charges for 1, 50, 100 or 1000 front
> > panels).
> >
> >
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
>
>
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Some basic misunderstanding here! I wrote that I thought 100euro to be a
good price. If Doepfer can't make it that cheap I perfectly understand... I
also wrote a higher price for a good module is fine by me. I just followed
on the suggested price... who set the 100 euro price?

/Andreas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@...>
To: "Doepfer_a100 group" <doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 6:07 PM
Subject: Fwd: AW:[Doepfer_a100]I like the new modules -thumbs up.DOEPFER'S
ANSWER!


>
> --- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@...> wrote:
> > From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@...>
> > To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@...>
> > Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] I like the new modules -
> > thumbs up.
> > Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:55:59 +0200
> >
> > Bakis, please forward ...
> >
> > > Concerning the Vu meter I find 100 euro ok as a
> > price but then it has to
> > include many of
> > > the functions that has been discussed here, you
> > all know the features that
> > has been up,
> > > cromatic tuner etc.... I can even consider paying
> > more if it turns out
> > > really good, but for something very basic and a
> > bit flimsy I think 100 is
> > > too much for me. So a prospect of features on the
> > planned VUmodule would
> > > help to tell if the price is fair or not.
> >
> > I think this will not be possible. Here is a simple
> > calculation (our
> > purchase prices):
> >
> > meter 44 GBP ~ 65 Euro
> > front panel ~ 15...20 Euro
> > pcb ~ 5 Euro
> >
> > So our purchase price will be at least 80 Euro
> > without charges for
> > development, assembly, writing manuals and so on.
> > And you have to take into
> > consideration that we have to give discount to every
> > dealer/representative.
> > So I have to correct myself. 100 Euro is too less
> > for the final price of the
> > VU (you will understand that we want to earn a few
> > bugs too).
> >
> >
> > > I am also a bit curious about the 196, what kind
> > of cheap VCO is in that
> > unit that makes it cheaper than a
> > > standard VCO? Can it also be used as a plain VCO?
> >
> > The VCO in the A-196 is very simple as it is part of
> > a closed-loop
> > frequency-feedback system. It is not very stable (no
> > temperature
> > compensation), has only linear control input and
> > only rectangle output with
> > ~ 50% PW. For the PLL application this is OK as the
> > frequency of the VCO is
> > controlled in the feedback loop and the
> > disadvantages mentioned above do not
> > make any differences in the PLL application.
> > Actually the VCO is part of the
> > PLL circuit  used in the A-196 (insiders will know
> > the 4046 PLL). The A-196
> > VCO can be used a simple linear VCO but cannot be
> > compared to the A-110 or
> > A-111 that have exponential control, temperature
> > compensation, different
> > waveform outputs and PWM for the rectangle). These
> > two parts of the normal
> > VCO circuits (temperature compensated exp converter)
> > are the large-scale
> > parts of the circuit. We already considered a
> > low-cost VCO bank made of
> > several linear VCOs (4046 type) but we are not sure
> > if this really makes
> > sense.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
>
>
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Bakis Sirros wrote:

> > We will probably offer a switch module so that you
> > can select between the
> > "old" A-155 controller or the A-154. We made already
> > a prototype with a 2x4
> > way toggle switch but we think that a 2x4 way
> > electronic switch (maybe
> > voltage controlled) will be the better solution,
> > especially as a small
> > manual 2x4 switch is very expensive (4 signals have
> > to be switched at a
> > time: adresses A0, A1 and A2, and clock).
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer

This would be perfect, voltage controlled is not important to me, but I
suppose it might be to others. Thanks Dieter!

-Brandon
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