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#9637 From: "ragantango" <scottjoplin@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:04 am
Subject: Re: Ernesto Nazareth
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Here is another site with many excellent mp3 recordings of Nazareth pieces.  Some have never been previously recorded. 

http://pianosociety.com/cms/index.php?section=1019


 


#9636 From: "jazzpianist" <perfbill@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:59 am
Subject: The Ragtime Universe
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extends further than many of us might have imagined.

The all girl piano/flute/violin trio aboard this ship are all from the Ukraine.
They do lots of neat tangos, Mozart, Nazareth, even Gershwin, and yes, five
different rags. I have not heard them all yet, but did get video of The
Entertainer today. Nice arrangement. Raggers of the Caribbean. When I have
better (free) bandwidth at home I'll see about posting.

Still searching for more neat stuff, however.

Finest, Bill E.

#9635 From: "jazzpianist" <perfbill@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:05 pm
Subject: Re: Ernesto Nazareth
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Greetings from (just short of) Aruba.

This is a great find. I have I believe around 35 Nazareth pieces right now, ten
of them learned. Now to have more choices will be great.

I am endeavoring to seek out local musicians in the ports I hit on this trip and
take notes on some of their styles, from Caribe to Latin. I am guessing that
Costa Rica might come kind of close to what we would consider inherently
authentic tango music.

Now we need a new want that covers Latin styles, early American Negro styles and
folk music - L.M. Gottschalk. I think there are still a few of his pieces that
aren't currently available in print, and again I have had a time finding them.
The few I get off of eBay are sometimes overbid, so not easy to obtain at a
reasonable cost.

More as I journey through the outskirts of South America.

Finest, Bill E.

#9634 From: Nick Arteaga <nickarteaga12@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:38 pm
Subject: Re: Ernesto Nazareth
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Surprisingly there's a few American style fox-trots on the site.

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From: ragantango <scottjoplin@...>
Subject: [EliteSyncopations] Ernesto Nazareth
To: EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 7:11 PM

 

Just wanted everyone to know that there is now a Brazilian website with Nazareth's complete works as PDFs.

http://www.erneston azareth.com. br/

It's not ragtime but much of it is similar and from the same era.  Nice sound samples there also.



#9633 From: "coneyislandtodd" <coneyislandtodd@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:57 pm
Subject: Party Boy Mal
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I happened to run across a mention and photo of Mal Franklin.  It comes from the
W. 75th St. Block Association website.  It states that Mal used to play for
their holiday parties back in the 1970s.  I will have to contact them and see if
anyone recorded Mal back then.  One of the leader of the association had a
recording studio on that street, so maybe there are some forgotten Mal Franklin
tapes floating around.  Who knows.  If they do exist, maybe it will clear up the
Mal Franklin/Burt Franklin question.

Here's the website:

http://w75ba.org/origins.htm

Todd

#9632 From: Randolph Runyon <runyonr@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:56 pm
Subject: Re: Ernesto Nazareth
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Many thanks!  I'd been hoping a site like this would turn up one of these days.
Randy Runyon

On Nov 21, 2009, at 2:11 PM, ragantango wrote:

 

Just wanted everyone to know that there is now a Brazilian website with Nazareth's complete works as PDFs.

http://www.ernestonazareth.com.br/

It's not ragtime but much of it is similar and from the same era.  Nice sound samples there also.




#9631 From: "ragantango" <scottjoplin@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:11 pm
Subject: Ernesto Nazareth
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Just wanted everyone to know that there is now a Brazilian website with Nazareth's complete works as PDFs.

http://www.ernestonazareth.com.br/

It's not ragtime but much of it is similar and from the same era.  Nice sound samples there also.


#9630 From: "John" <john.bartlett@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:12 pm
Subject: Re: new file of Hot Piano Classics piano
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Thank you, and I'm glad you liked them.

Some years ago I sent all my rolls to Warren Tractman in Virginia and he scanned
them for me.  I think that "Walkin' My Baby Back Home" sounds a little faster
than what I actually played it, but the rest of them sound about right.

John


--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "coneyislandtodd"
<coneyislandtodd@...> wrote:
>
> Very nice John.  Well done.
>
> --- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "John" <john.bartlett@> wrote:
> >
> > All;
> >
> > I've found my midi files of the 5 (not 6) piano rolls I recorded in 1991 for
Hot Piano Classics, and have uploaded them in a new file, and I hope you enjoy
them.
> >
> > John
> >
>

#9629 From: "coneyislandtodd" <coneyislandtodd@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:47 pm
Subject: Re: new file of Hot Piano Classics piano
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Very nice John.  Well done.

--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "John" <john.bartlett@...> wrote:
>
> All;
>
> I've found my midi files of the 5 (not 6) piano rolls I recorded in 1991 for
Hot Piano Classics, and have uploaded them in a new file, and I hope you enjoy
them.
>
> John
>

#9628 From: "edberlin" <edberlin36@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:26 am
Subject: A Play about Guest of Honor
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Playwright Dave Field is giving a reading of his play about Guest of Honor on 12/9/09 at Meta Theatre, 7801 Melrose Ave, Los Angeles. 
http://losangeles.broadwayworld.com/article/Playwrights_6_Hosts_GUEST_OF_HONOR_Staged_Reading_129_20091119
If anyone reading this can get to the reading, I would be interested in learning about it.

Ed

#9627 From: "John" <john.bartlett@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:17 pm
Subject: new file of Hot Piano Classics piano
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All;

I've found my midi files of the 5 (not 6) piano rolls I recorded in 1991 for Hot
Piano Classics, and have uploaded them in a new file, and I hope you enjoy them.

John

#9626 From: "John" <john.bartlett@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:58 pm
Subject: Re: new midi files
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Pedro;

Thank you very much for the fine compliments!  Yes, I did record some piano
rolls in about 1992 for Mike Schwimmer of Chicago that was produced on his "Hot
Piano Classics" label, and I'm certainly glad that you liked them as well.  I
think there were 6 of them if I remember right:

1) Stavin' Change
2) Walking My Baby Back Home
3) Birmingham Blues

Don't remember the others off hand, I'll have to look as I think I have one set
of originals left.  I sent them to Robbie Rhodes, and he did a little editing.

And, yes, as I get some time, I will indeed record some more tunes to share with
others as long as someone would enjoy them.  I'm glad you like my style.

Best Regards;

John


--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "Pedro" <cagadadevaca@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you very much for the great midi files that you played for us!
> A friend of mine told me you're a very talented pianist, he said an authentic
ragtimr, and let me listen to a few piano rolls you had recorded and I liked
them very much as well!
> This friend of mine is very fond of your style and would like to contact you
privately, because he's not member of this group.
> But he and I don't know your full address after john.batlett@(?)
> If you can contact me privately I can send your contact email to my friend -
he would be very happy to correspond with you if you'd like.
> My email is cagadadevaca@...
> Thanks and we would be very happy if you can produce more midi files!
> Pedro (Pb)
>
>
> --- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "John" <john.bartlett@> wrote:
> >
> > All;
> >
> > I just posted 4 midi files of my playing that I recorded on my Roland
digital piano in 2004.
> >
> > I've always enjoyed playing tunes from the teens and twenties and
improvising them to the point where I thought they sort of sounded like the
piano rolls did of the time.
> >
> > I'd like to see what you think, so please let me know.  I don't recall the
dates or composers of these tunes, but if anyone is interested I can look them
up.
> >
> > A couple of the files clip off on the end, and I don't know why that
happens, but perhaps someone can enlighten me on that part.
> >
> > John
> >
>

#9625 From: "Pedro" <cagadadevaca@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:46 pm
Subject: Re: new midi files
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I'm sorry, my email was somehow hidden by the yahoo system?
it is cagadadevaca @ yahoo . es (with no spaces)
Thank you

--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "Pedro" <cagadadevaca@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you very much for the great midi files that you played for us!
> A friend of mine told me you're a very talented pianist, he said an authentic
ragtimr, and let me listen to a few piano rolls you had recorded and I liked
them very much as well!
> This friend of mine is very fond of your style and would like to contact you
privately, because he's not member of this group.
> But he and I don't know your full address after john.batlett@(?)
> If you can contact me privately I can send your contact email to my friend -
he would be very happy to correspond with you if you'd like.
> My email is cagadadevaca@...
> Thanks and we would be very happy if you can produce more midi files!
> Pedro (Pb)
>
>
> --- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "John" <john.bartlett@> wrote:
> >
> > All;
> >
> > I just posted 4 midi files of my playing that I recorded on my Roland
digital piano in 2004.
> >
> > I've always enjoyed playing tunes from the teens and twenties and
improvising them to the point where I thought they sort of sounded like the
piano rolls did of the time.
> >
> > I'd like to see what you think, so please let me know.  I don't recall the
dates or composers of these tunes, but if anyone is interested I can look them
up.
> >
> > A couple of the files clip off on the end, and I don't know why that
happens, but perhaps someone can enlighten me on that part.
> >
> > John
> >
>

#9624 From: "Pedro" <cagadadevaca@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:34 pm
Subject: Re: new midi files
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Thank you very much for the great midi files that you played for us!
A friend of mine told me you're a very talented pianist, he said an authentic
ragtimr, and let me listen to a few piano rolls you had recorded and I liked
them very much as well!
This friend of mine is very fond of your style and would like to contact you
privately, because he's not member of this group.
But he and I don't know your full address after john.batlett@(?)
If you can contact me privately I can send your contact email to my friend - he
would be very happy to correspond with you if you'd like.
My email is cagadadevaca@...
Thanks and we would be very happy if you can produce more midi files!
Pedro (Pb)


--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "John" <john.bartlett@...> wrote:
>
> All;
>
> I just posted 4 midi files of my playing that I recorded on my Roland digital
piano in 2004.
>
> I've always enjoyed playing tunes from the teens and twenties and improvising
them to the point where I thought they sort of sounded like the piano rolls did
of the time.
>
> I'd like to see what you think, so please let me know.  I don't recall the
dates or composers of these tunes, but if anyone is interested I can look them
up.
>
> A couple of the files clip off on the end, and I don't know why that happens,
but perhaps someone can enlighten me on that part.
>
> John
>

#9623 From: "John" <john.bartlett@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:50 pm
Subject: new midi files
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All;

I just posted 4 midi files of my playing that I recorded on my Roland digital
piano in 2004.

I've always enjoyed playing tunes from the teens and twenties and improvising
them to the point where I thought they sort of sounded like the piano rolls did
of the time.

I'd like to see what you think, so please let me know.  I don't recall the dates
or composers of these tunes, but if anyone is interested I can look them up.

A couple of the files clip off on the end, and I don't know why that happens,
but perhaps someone can enlighten me on that part.

John

#9622 From: EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:42 pm
Subject: New file uploaded to EliteSyncopations
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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the EliteSyncopations
group.

   File        : /John Bartlett midi files/The Aunt jemima Slide.mid
   Uploaded by : ragtimeman25 <john.bartlett@...>
   Description :

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EliteSyncopations/files/John%20Bartlett%20midi%20f\
iles/The%20Aunt%20jemima%20Slide.mid

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Regards,

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#9621 From: EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:43 pm
Subject: New file uploaded to EliteSyncopations
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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the EliteSyncopations
group.

   File        : /John Bartlett midi files/When Uncle Joe Steps Into France.mid
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You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EliteSyncopations/files/John%20Bartlett%20midi%20f\
iles/When%20Uncle%20Joe%20Steps%20Into%20France.mid

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#9620 From: "jazzpianist" <perfbill@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:11 pm
Subject: Personal note - not quite rag, but...
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My sister is getting remarried on Sunday. Her new husband is a quadriplegic she
has been caring for over the past few years, and they are getting married at sea
for technical reasons I can't discuss.

Anyhow, they have requested ragtime stuff for the wedding, such as When I'm 64,
a rag version of Hawaiian Wedding Song, and a few other fun things.

Princess has this neat webcam thing not only for the front of their ships but
for all of the wedding chapels. Therefore, if anybody cares to take a look (I
don't believe there is sound) and see me in action (in a still updated every few
minutes), the wedding is scheduled for 3:30 PM AST which I believe is 2:30 PM
EST and 11:30 AM PST on Sunday.

It's a neat thing to do anyhow, sort of a voyeuristic journey into somebody
else's special event.

Go to:

http://www.princess.com/bridgecams/

Select a Wedding Cam - Island Princess

You can update it every few minutes with F5

The other Princess ships I have been on have a Yamaha digital of some kind (of
course - you can't get organ sounds out of an acoustic piano). So I will have to
practice in order to properly execute (her request, not mine) The Love Boat in
the Prelude.

Aloha.

Bill E.

#9619 From: "jazzpianist" <perfbill@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:42 pm
Subject: Phil Porter update
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More, more more.

Courtesy of Carl "Sonny" Leyland through a query by Andrew Barrett, I have
obtained a recording of a tape made c.1951 by Porter which was in the possession
of Dick Mushlitz of Evansville, IL. As I am out of the country through December
1 and have limited bandwidth, plus the fact that I am waiting for permission to
do so, I hope to post some of these tracks in early December, and some will need
to be identified.

For those who have heard the three from the Chi Phi disc, these are different.
By comparison, the disc was obviously done in a fairly controlled acoustic
environment; I'm still thinking it was WINA. The tape (which part of sounds like
it may be recorded from a fresh acetate, but I have not fully analyzed it yet)
was done in a much larger space with an older piano, almost certainly a
1900-1915 upright by the sound of the tubby bass strings.

It is interesting to note that Phil seems a bit overwhelmed by the process and
the attention, just doing "whatever you're asking me to do," and also
apologizing for his singing at one point.

The tape will need some editing to be presentable since there are distortions,
volume variances, noises, dropouts, strange cuts, etc. But in all I will be able
to put out fourteen to fifteen tracks totaling around 26 minutes when put
together.

The selections are a mishmosh of ragtime era fodder, with the exception of the
Johnson Rag in which he more duplicates the swing version of the 1940s. The
tracks are as follows:

     1. Cincinnati Rag 1
     2. Eat, Drink and Be Merry Today/Honey You Don't Know My Mind
     3. Unknown
     4. Under the Double Eagle
     5. Washington Post March
     6. Unknown
     7. Unknown
     8. Under the Bamboo Tree
     9. Dinah
     10. In the Good Old Summertime
     11. Unknown
     12. Johnson Rag
     13. Wang Wang Blues
     14. Cincinnati Rag 2
     15. Memphis Blues

I'm sure I can get help identifying the four unknown tracks, which sound vaguely
familiar (there is a lot of pedal in places which tends to cover up the melody
in the live room). This will never quite make it to CD land, as it is of
slightly lesser quality in execution, even if better quality in content in some
respects to the Brun Campbell series. However, it is a nice bit of instructional
listening to what would amount to an average performer during the ragtime era
who was largely untouched by the years.

I could hear some frustration at a couple of points, and would describe Phil as
being in a situation I know all too well myself. Within him was the making of a
pretty darn good ragtime pianist, but life and the requirements of his job got
in the way of allowing him to progress to the level of his potential. Still, I'm
sure that in the context of 1950 he was considered formidable by the white
students at Chi Phi, and they still seem to revere his memory there.

More later. I'll do all I can to keep up while away from the mainland, but don't
have my full editing tools with me, so won't get the tracks out right away.

Thanks again to Linda for getting this started. Phil has become an important
character in They All Made Ragtime, since in terms of ragtime players he was
more the rule than the exception, much like Robert Hampton, Lucian Porter
Gibson, Brun Campbell and others who never quite made it big in spite of their
efforts, but did OK for themselves in general.

The bio has been updated:

http://ragpiano.com/comps/pporter.shtml

Bon voyage, Bill E.

#9618 From: Andrew Greene <riograndeman@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:32 am
Subject: Re: Re: Pennsylvania and/or Maryland Ragtime Composers
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Thanks Bill,
The reason I ask is I may be performing at a ragtime festival next year with my orchestra. I have 500+ orchestrations at my disposal for use, but I want to try and incorporate a piece or two by Pennsylvanian ragtime composers, since we'll be performing in Pennsylvania. Same with Maryland. As our home state, I want to try and incorporate pieces by Maryland born or lived in composers into our programs as well.
Thanks again,
Andrew Greene


From: jazzpianist <perfbill@...>
To: EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 6:58:51 PM
Subject: [EliteSyncopations] Re: Pennsylvania and/or Maryland Ragtime Composers

 

I have the lists in front of me now.

Add to Maryland Horace Kirkus Dugdale of Baltimore.

For Pennsylvania born ragtimers:
John E. Broderick
Adam Carroll
Ernie Erdman
*Harry Augustus Fischler (not in the book)
Vinton Freedley
George Otto Frey
Sam Gould
Fred Hager
Dave Harris
Earl (Fatha) Hines
Guy Hall
Billy James
Henry Kleinkauf
Arthur Lange
*Harry J. Lincoln
*Frederick Allen (Kerry) Mills
*Charles Luckeyth (Luckey) Roberts
Thomas A. Schmutzler
*Arthur Schutt
Harld D. Squires
Will H. Vodery

*Frank Hoyt Losey was born in New York as was *Charles C. Cohen but both lived some of their life in Pennsylvania - actually most of it for Losey.

Again, don't disregard D.C. as in addition to *Dabney, Theodore Morse was born there. Lottie Joplin also came from DC, but that's a different story.

*=biography at http://ragpiano. com/ragtime4. shtml or ragtime4b.shtml

Hope that gives you something to look over.

--- In EliteSyncopations@ yahoogroups. com, "jazzpianist" <perfbill@.. .> wrote:
>
> Hi Andrew.
>
> If you do not have That American Rag, then get it if you can. The answers are in there in detail.
>
> For the moment, also consider D.C. which had Ford Dabney and (later) Duke Ellington (Black Beauty is close enough to a rag to qualify, and he did write a Soda Rag or something like even before that). Pennsylvania people are also on my site, including Harry Lincoln, Charles Cohen (sometimes PA sometimes Southern NY), Harry Fischler, and Frank Losey. Baltimore was also the base for Julius Lenzberg and Edward B. Claypoole. Again, there are more and they are all listed in an appendix in TAR.
>
> For now, you can information find all of these names (except Ellington) at http://ragpiano. com/ragtime4. shtml
>
> Bill E.
>
> --- In EliteSyncopations@ yahoogroups. com, "Andrew Greene" <riograndeman@ > wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> > I'm curious as to how many ragtime composers wrote from or hailed from Pennsylvania or Maryland. Of course i know Eubie Blake hailed from Maryland and wrote ragtime and did all that, but I'm kind of curious who else was out there. I'm working on my orchestra that I'm leading out of the University of Maryland called the Peacherine Ragtime Orchestra, and I'd like to try and include pieces by people who lived or were born in Maryland or Pennsylvania. Any help would be great!
> > Thanks,
> > Andrew
> >
>



#9617 From: "jazzpianist" <perfbill@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:58 pm
Subject: Re: Pennsylvania and/or Maryland Ragtime Composers
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I have the lists in front of me now.

Add to Maryland Horace Kirkus Dugdale of Baltimore.

For Pennsylvania born ragtimers:
John E. Broderick
Adam Carroll
Ernie Erdman
*Harry Augustus Fischler (not in the book)
Vinton Freedley
George Otto Frey
Sam Gould
Fred Hager
Dave Harris
Earl (Fatha) Hines
Guy Hall
Billy James
Henry Kleinkauf
Arthur Lange
*Harry J. Lincoln
*Frederick Allen (Kerry) Mills
*Charles Luckeyth (Luckey) Roberts
Thomas A. Schmutzler
*Arthur Schutt
Harld D. Squires
Will H. Vodery

*Frank Hoyt Losey was born in New York as was *Charles C. Cohen but both lived
some of their life in Pennsylvania - actually most of it for Losey.

Again, don't disregard D.C. as in addition to *Dabney, Theodore Morse was born
there. Lottie Joplin also came from DC, but that's a different story.

*=biography at http://ragpiano.com/ragtime4.shtml or ragtime4b.shtml

Hope that gives you something to look over.

--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "jazzpianist" <perfbill@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Andrew.
>
> If you do not have That American Rag, then get it if you can. The answers are
in there in detail.
>
> For the moment, also consider D.C. which had Ford Dabney and (later) Duke
Ellington (Black Beauty is close enough to a rag to qualify, and he did write a
Soda Rag or something like even before that). Pennsylvania people are also on my
site, including Harry Lincoln, Charles Cohen (sometimes PA sometimes Southern
NY), Harry Fischler, and Frank Losey. Baltimore was also the base for Julius
Lenzberg and Edward B. Claypoole. Again, there are more and they are all listed
in an appendix in TAR.
>
> For now, you can information find all of these names (except Ellington) at
http://ragpiano.com/ragtime4.shtml
>
> Bill E.
>
> --- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Greene" <riograndeman@>
wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> > I'm curious as to how many ragtime composers wrote from or hailed from
Pennsylvania or Maryland. Of course i know Eubie Blake hailed from Maryland and
wrote ragtime and did all that, but I'm kind of curious who else was out there.
I'm working on my orchestra that I'm leading out of the University of Maryland
called the Peacherine Ragtime Orchestra, and I'd like to try and include pieces
by people who lived or were born in Maryland or Pennsylvania. Any help would be
great!
> > Thanks,
> > Andrew
> >
>

#9616 From: Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:18 pm
Subject: Re: source composition for Tiger Rag
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Fantastic.  I'd love to see it, Dave.  I'll send my address out of band, assuming that your reconstruction isn't digital.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:13 AM, David Lewis <udtv@...> wrote:


Lucas,
 
Back in the 80s I did a conjectural reconstruction of what the quadrille version may have been like. If I can find it i'll send you a xerox of the manuscript if you like.
 
Uncle Dave Lewis

--- On Wed, 11/18/09, Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze@...> wrote:

From: Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze@...>
Subject: [EliteSyncopations] source composition for Tiger Rag
To: EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 10:53 AM


 
In Jelly Roll Morton's Alan Lomax/Library of Congress interview he
gives a history of Tiger Rag in which he says that it grew out of the
fourth strain of an unnamed pre-jazz piece. It was "transformed out
of an old quadrille that was in many different tempos" he says.

Here's the interview:
http://soupgreens. com/tmp/23 Tiger Rag _ [interview]. mp3

Here's my question: can anybody identify that original tune? I'm
interested in playing it.





#9615 From: "jazzpianist" <perfbill@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:47 pm
Subject: Re: Pennsylvania and/or Maryland Ragtime Composers
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Hi Andrew.

If you do not have That American Rag, then get it if you can. The answers are in
there in detail.

For the moment, also consider D.C. which had Ford Dabney and (later) Duke
Ellington (Black Beauty is close enough to a rag to qualify, and he did write a
Soda Rag or something like even before that). Pennsylvania people are also on my
site, including Harry Lincoln, Charles Cohen (sometimes PA sometimes Southern
NY), Harry Fischler, and Frank Losey. Baltimore was also the base for Julius
Lenzberg and Edward B. Claypoole. Again, there are more and they are all listed
in an appendix in TAR.

For now, you can information find all of these names (except Ellington) at
http://ragpiano.com/ragtime4.shtml

Bill E.

--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Greene" <riograndeman@...>
wrote:
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> Hi All,
> I'm curious as to how many ragtime composers wrote from or hailed from
Pennsylvania or Maryland. Of course i know Eubie Blake hailed from Maryland and
wrote ragtime and did all that, but I'm kind of curious who else was out there.
I'm working on my orchestra that I'm leading out of the University of Maryland
called the Peacherine Ragtime Orchestra, and I'd like to try and include pieces
by people who lived or were born in Maryland or Pennsylvania. Any help would be
great!
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>

#9614 From: "Andrew Greene" <riograndeman@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:20 pm
Subject: Pennsylvania and/or Maryland Ragtime Composers
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Hi All,
I'm curious as to how many ragtime composers wrote from or hailed from
Pennsylvania or Maryland. Of course i know Eubie Blake hailed from Maryland and
wrote ragtime and did all that, but I'm kind of curious who else was out there.
I'm working on my orchestra that I'm leading out of the University of Maryland
called the Peacherine Ragtime Orchestra, and I'd like to try and include pieces
by people who lived or were born in Maryland or Pennsylvania. Any help would be
great!
Thanks,
Andrew

#9613 From: David Lewis <udtv@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: source composition for Tiger Rag
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Lucas,
 
Back in the 80s I did a conjectural reconstruction of what the quadrille version may have been like. If I can find it i'll send you a xerox of the manuscript if you like.
 
Uncle Dave Lewis

--- On Wed, 11/18/09, Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze@...> wrote:

From: Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze@...>
Subject: [EliteSyncopations] source composition for Tiger Rag
To: EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 10:53 AM

 
In Jelly Roll Morton's Alan Lomax/Library of Congress interview he
gives a history of Tiger Rag in which he says that it grew out of the
fourth strain of an unnamed pre-jazz piece. It was "transformed out
of an old quadrille that was in many different tempos" he says.

Here's the interview:
http://soupgreens. com/tmp/23 Tiger Rag _ [interview]. mp3

Here's my question: can anybody identify that original tune? I'm
interested in playing it.


#9612 From: Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:53 pm
Subject: source composition for Tiger Rag
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In Jelly Roll Morton's Alan Lomax/Library of Congress interview he
gives a history of Tiger Rag in which he says that it grew out of the
fourth strain of an unnamed pre-jazz piece.  It was "transformed out
of an old quadrille that was in many different tempos" he says.

Here's the interview:
http://soupgreens.com/tmp/23 Tiger Rag _ [interview].mp3

Here's my question: can anybody identify that original tune?  I'm
interested in playing it.

#9611 From: "jazzpianist" <perfbill@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:44 pm
Subject: Re: Ragtime or blues related films to see
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Hi Erik.

The following is my list of movies (not complete) from the Amazon footer found
on most pages of my site, ragpiano.com:

The Jazz Singer
The Sting
Alexander's Ragtime Band
Scott Joplin (VHS Only)
The Legend of 1900
Ragtime
For Me and My Gal
Meet Me In St. Louis
In the Good Old Summertime
Take Me Out to the Ball Game
The Jolson Story
Jolson Sings Again
Cheaper by the Dozen
San Francisco
Somewhere in Time
Titanic (1953)
The Other
Pretty Baby
42nd Street
Reds
The Son of Kong
Story of Vernon and Irene Castle
The Public Enemy
Cheyenne Social Club
The Shootist
How To Dance Through Time - Dances of the Ragtime Era

Hope that is of some use. I have not updated it for a while.

Finest, Bill Edwards

--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "ERIKYORK" <erikbaron4@...> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I signed up for a netflix account and one of my first areas to look for were
ragtime and early blues related movies.  I'm trying to think of some but I'm
kind of stumped.  They don't necessarily have to be purely about Ragtime or
blues but hopefully take place in the 20's and 30's and have some great music in
them.  I've added so far St. Louis blues performed with Bessie Smith and JPJ and
also the musical Ragtime, but anything else I'm forgetting?
>
> Erik
>
> PS-  Anyone else notice all the great Scott Joplin music (and a player piano)
in "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button"?  I even own the Biograph CD's were the
Joplin rags come from.
>

#9610 From: "John" <john.bartlett@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:07 pm
Subject: unknown rags on Link roll #517 - first tune
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I believe that the first tune on the file section under "unknown rags on Link
roll #517" is an arrangement of the first two sections of "I'm Alabama Bound" by
Robert Hoffman, 1909. The sheet music is in the folio "Ragtime Gems" by David
Jasen, on page 33.  The introduction is different, and the trio is missing, but
it sounds the same to me.

John

#9609 From: "ERIKYORK" <erikbaron4@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:13 am
Subject: Ragtime or blues related films to see
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Hello All,

I signed up for a netflix account and one of my first areas to look for were
ragtime and early blues related movies.  I'm trying to think of some but I'm
kind of stumped.  They don't necessarily have to be purely about Ragtime or
blues but hopefully take place in the 20's and 30's and have some great music in
them.  I've added so far St. Louis blues performed with Bessie Smith and JPJ and
also the musical Ragtime, but anything else I'm forgetting?

Erik

PS-  Anyone else notice all the great Scott Joplin music (and a player piano) in
"The Curious Case of Benjamin Button"?  I even own the Biograph CD's were the
Joplin rags come from.

#9608 From: jeo@...
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:35 am
Subject: Re: Re: The OTHER Scott from Sedalia
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It's kismet.


-----Original Message-----
From: jazzpianist <perfbill@...>
To: EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:53 am
Subject: [EliteSyncopations] Re: The OTHER Scott from Sedalia

 
Went back and rechecked. Four blocks seemed to make a big difference in ethnic makeup in Missouri, so there were two Scott Haydens. But a white one and a black one born in the same month of the same year in the same town and married only two days apart? And one of them wrote Kismet Rag? Ya gotta shake your head and chuckle a little bit considering what the odds must be of this happening.

Bill E.


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