Yes, it IS very tedious.  As for the timing problem, since I only
did the rolls I really like enough to invest the time, I knew the
music well enough and had the timing in my head.  So that part was
easy.
Bb




--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Cather <catt967@...>
wrote:
>
> The problem with doing that, however, would be that you'd only be
transcribing notes, not time values....to get the time values down,
you'd have to determine the  length of each perforation and assign
that a time value...
>
> Its still impressive, though....and sounds profoundly tedious!
>
> BryanC
>
> Rob <yosemitewriter27@...> wrote:                             Once
upon a time, way back in the 60's, and before I even had a
>  player piano, I was collecting rolls and wanting to do
>  transcriptions on a few of them.  So I got an 88-note tracker
bar,
>  put a piece of masking tape just above the holes including all 88
>  notes, but so you could still see the holes below the masking
tape.
>  Then I wrote above each hole, what note it played on the
keybaord.
>  Then when the paper roll went over the tracker bar, I could read
>  thru the holes what note I had written on the masking tape and
wrote
>  it down on ledger paper.  (Not Heath Ledger, but the music-
writing
>  kind).
>      Then I built a box in which I could mount the tracker bar and
>  have an uptake spool for the paper as I rolled it out.  So,
>  essentially it looked like the unit in a regular player piano and
>  allowed me to trascribe rolls.  I still have this contraption in
my
>  attic.
>      See....Adam isn't the only child genius in the group :-))
>  Bb
>
>  --- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, philharpn@ wrote:
>  >
>  > I've got quite a few QRS piano rolls for my 1978 Aeolian player
>  piano.
>  >
>  > I have in my archives somewhere a kit (which I haven't
recovered
>  yet) that
>  > had a clear plastic piano keyboard template that fit over the
>  piano roll to tell
>  > you what notes the holes represented.   Doable but would take
>  forever.
>  >
>  > I also could slow the rolls w---a--y down and write down each
key
>  > depressed... Likewise forever,
>  >
>  > But is there an easy way to convert the rolls to piano notation
>  for my own
>  > personal use?
>  >
>  > On a related subject, has anybody come up with a portable
device
>  that "plays"
>  > piano rolls?
>  > (other than record the piano while playing to CD)
>  >
>  > Phil Lloyd
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Phil Lloyd
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > **************
>  > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
>  > fuel-efficient used cars.
>  >       (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
>  >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> test'; ">
>

--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Edwards" <perfbill@...>
wrote:
>
> I was sent the following. Can anybody provide an answer - this is my
> first bit of research into it before I have to hit the books.
>
> =====================
> I FOUND YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS ON THE INTERNET.  I AM TRYING TO FIND THE
> NAME OF A RAGTIME PIANO PLAYER FOR SOMEONE.  THEY THINK HIS NAME WAS
> CHARLIE CEES, BUT DON'T KNOW THE SPELLING OF THE LAST NAME.  WOULD YOU
> KNOW OF ANYONE NAMED SIMILAR TO THAT OR WHERE I COULD GO TO LOOK?
> =====================
>
> Bill E.
>
,  Charlie Cees? Wouldn't be Charlie Kunz by any chance, would it? (You
have him in your honky-tonk LP list, Bill). The LPs I have are The
Magic of Charlie Kunz; Charley Kunz, The Songs we Sang;; Focus on
Charlie Kunz; and Old Time Music Hall Songs.

Kunz was born in Allenstown , Pennsylvania, but made his mark from
within the United Kingdom with his distinctive not-quite honky-tonk,
not quite ragtime piano playing but incorporating both.

Somewhere or other I also have some sheet music of
Kunz's "Transcriptions of the Classics"

David Beattie

All right... this is your last chance to weigh in on the ES Live
broadcast schedule. Right now, it looks like Wednesday works for the
most people. If you haven't cast your vote yet, please do so today
(please don't vote if you have no intention of listening). You'll
find the poll on the EliteSyncopations group's Yahoo site. I'll be
closing the poll in a little while.

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/EliteSyncopations/surveys?
id=2062404

Thanks!
Bryan W.

Bryan....
     Is this something we can listen to on the internet?  I would
definitely be interested.
Bb


--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Wright <bryan@...>
wrote:
>
> All right... this is your last chance to weigh in on the ES Live
> broadcast schedule. Right now, it looks like Wednesday works for
the
> most people. If you haven't cast your vote yet, please do so
today
> (please don't vote if you have no intention of listening). You'll
> find the poll on the EliteSyncopations group's Yahoo site. I'll
be
> closing the poll in a little while.
>
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/EliteSyncopations/surveys?
> id=2062404
>
> Thanks!
> Bryan W.
>

Hi, Bob.

Yes! Elite Syncopations is a 24-hour ragtime internet radio station
that I operate at:

http://www.ragtimeradio.org

Anyone with a high-speed internet connection should be able to tune
in. Until I became too busy with school obligations this past year, I
hosted a weekly 2-hour live program on Tuesday or Thursday evenings
that ran with a simultaneous chat room session on Dan Mouyard's
website. So, you tune into the audio stream, then join the chat room
to discuss the music playing (or anything else!) with the other folks
in the chat room. Many ES list members drop by and it's always a lot
of fun. If you're able, I hope you'll join us!

Take care,
Bryan


On Jul 1, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Rob wrote:

> Bryan....
>     Is this something we can listen to on the internet?  I would
> definitely be interested.
> Bb
>
>
> --- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Wright <bryan@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> All right... this is your last chance to weigh in on the ES Live
>> broadcast schedule. Right now, it looks like Wednesday works for
> the
>> most people. If you haven't cast your vote yet, please do so
> today
>> (please don't vote if you have no intention of listening). You'll
>> find the poll on the EliteSyncopations group's Yahoo site. I'll
> be
>> closing the poll in a little while.
>>
>> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/EliteSyncopations/surveys?
>> id=2062404
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Bryan W.
>>
>
>

Does that mean we are having a LIVE broadcast tomorrow night?

Bryan....
      Got a chance to go in and listen to Joe Jordan and Joe Lamb on
your radio.  I need to spend more time navigating the site because I
was getting obnoxious Wal-Mart commercials which I can do without.
Is this a subscription site, or how does it work?  I will go back
later when I have time and read about it.  I also got a message
about disabling my pop-up blocker, but I was able to avoid doing
that.   But it sounds like a great station.  Thanks for the link.
     Also, I clicked on the 'buy' button to see what came up.  It
seems to be connected to Amazon, and when I go to Amazon it says
those items cannot be found.  So why have a 'buy' button?????
Bb



--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Wright <bryan@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi, Bob.
>
> Yes! Elite Syncopations is a 24-hour ragtime internet radio
station
> that I operate at:
>
> http://www.ragtimeradio.org
>
> Anyone with a high-speed internet connection should be able to
tune
> in. Until I became too busy with school obligations this past
year, I
> hosted a weekly 2-hour live program on Tuesday or Thursday
evenings
> that ran with a simultaneous chat room session on Dan Mouyard's
> website. So, you tune into the audio stream, then join the chat
room
> to discuss the music playing (or anything else!) with the other
folks
> in the chat room. Many ES list members drop by and it's always a
lot
> of fun. If you're able, I hope you'll join us!
>
> Take care,
> Bryan
>
>
> On Jul 1, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Rob wrote:
>
> > Bryan....
> >     Is this something we can listen to on the internet?  I would
> > definitely be interested.
> > Bb
> >
> >
> > --- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Wright <bryan@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> All right... this is your last chance to weigh in on the ES Live
> >> broadcast schedule. Right now, it looks like Wednesday works for
> > the
> >> most people. If you haven't cast your vote yet, please do so
> > today
> >> (please don't vote if you have no intention of listening).
You'll
> >> find the poll on the EliteSyncopations group's Yahoo site. I'll
> > be
> >> closing the poll in a little while.
> >>
> >> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/EliteSyncopations/surveys?
> >> id=2062404
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Bryan W.
> >>
> >
> >
>

Hi Bob.

This is the same show that for much of the time this group has been
active has had weekly notices on until recently, complete with links
to a chat room and links to the web site so one can hear. I know that
somewhere in the archives a couple of years back we had a discussion
about the subscription costs, Bryan noting that it was necessary to
hear the broadcasts in stereo and without commercial interruptions. I
believe all the information you'll need is at the host site,
LIVE365.com, and the cost is reasonable per year if you plan to listen
at least a couple of times per month.

Bryan changes the loop on a regular basis, and puts new tunes in quite
often, so it doesn't get too old listening to old tunes. Granted, the
site needs updating because Bryan has his hands full with other
things, but I know this is one of his great passions that he provides
for us.

When you click on the listen link on his site you'll see a rather
prominent area to the right of the screen that starts "Become a VIP"
and the benefits underneath. That is where you subscribe.

Hope that is helpful.

Finest, Bill E.

--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "literatedude"
<literatedude@...> wrote:
> Have you ever had a piece that you felt you should be able to play,
> but you just could not seem to get it under your fingers?  A piece
> that, on the surface, doesn't look like it should be harder than
> things you already play, but that just isn't responding to your usual
> mode of practice.  You learn both hands individually, you slow it
> down, you try it backwards, you hide it in a drawer for a week, but
> when you try to put it together it all falls apart.  It has cast a
> spell over you and has gotten inside your head. It is alive and
> spiting you. You consider calling for an exorcist.   And to make
> things worse, you love this piece and want to be able to play it and
> make it your own.
>
> Do I just keep practicing, pray, or call the voodoo woman to take the
> hex off?  Or forget about it and go play something else?

I'm very unqualified to answer the question, but given my boundless
chutzpah (hey, it's gotten me this far), I'll try anyway.  What I do
is try to identify and isolate the measure - or part of the measure -
that I can't get.  Then, I try to figure out what fingering would work
for it, experiment with different things, try to make it work somehow.
  If it's still difficult, I practice it over and over and over and
over until it's right.  The key for me seems to be practicing very
very small bits at a time.

Mind you, that doesn't mean that I will get it right after all that,
but it at least increases the probability of that blessed event
occurring.

Oh, and in my experience, if a piece is haunting you, the only cure is
to learn it.  Been there done that.  That's how I learned Bohemia,
Pork and Beans, Easy Winners (which is still stuck in my head!),
Champagne, Music Box Rag, and quite a few others.  I still don't get
Pork and Beans exactly right every time, but it's getting closer.

LM

Hi all,

If anyone has access to a copy of this work, I'd very much appreciate
hearing from you. It seems to be impossible to find in New Zealand,
and I'm chasing an obscure roll artist who apparently has an entry in it.

Cheers,
Robert

You're kidding, right?  That's not a question you expect to hear of
a Pulitzer Prize winning composer with 3 Grammys...

Let's just say we've heard of the guy, he's good, and he's highly
regarded. :)

He has a national if not world-wide reputation as a composer (check
wikipedia or other sites).  Most people who know of him would
probably not associate him with ragtime, but he got into the ragtime
scene in the 70's and contributed many wonderful compositions to our
little world, most famously Graceful Ghost Rag.

I'm not that familiar with most of his rags, but taking the Ghost
rags as a cue, they are quite a bit more cerebral than your typical
fare, and much more difficult to play.  For example, don't even
bother with "The Poltergeist" or "Rag Infernal".  Watch performances
on YouTube and leave it at that.

-Dan


--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, philharpn@... wrote:
>
> Just received a copy of from my exchange library of "William
Bolcom Piano
> Rags" (1991, Marks) ($12.95) distrib. Hal Leonard, 78 pages, that
contains 8
> individual rags plus   The Garden of Eden and The Ghost Rags. I
haven't had a
> chance to try any of the tunes out yet -- still working on the
other rag books
> that are due July 8.
>
> On checking with Amazon I notice there is a "Complete Rags for
Piano: Piano
> Solo" (pub. 2000), 128 pages, that contains 22 rags, list $18.95
($12.89
> discount price)   as well as a disk, "Bolcom -- Piano Rags" list
$36.98 (no
> discount) of the same 22 tunes.
>
> Apparently this guy is a very busy contemporary composer. Is he
any good? How
> is he regarded?
>
> Phil Lloyd
>
>
>
> **************
> Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
> fuel-efficient used cars.
>       (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
>

Is he any good?

He has so many classics, both of his recorded performances and his
pieces, that he can't be ignored. Sorta won a couple of great awards
here and there as well.

Of note are, besides the obvious and ubiquitous Graceful Ghost (I have
recorded all three ghost rags, and Poltergeist still haunts me since
it is so bloody difficult), are Seabiscuits - the trio introduction is
very clever, Tabby Cat Walk - not too difficult, California Porcupine,
the beautiful Epitaph for Louis Chauvin, and the one he did with Bill
Albright, the brilliantly silly Brass Knuckles.

You can find out the history of the Ghost Rags with some information I
got from him at http://ragpiano.com/pbmidi16.shtml

Hope that is encouraging.

Bill E.

Phil,

I found this a couple years ago with great difficulty and will look
for it when I get home.

The music I bought, however, is not arranged as you hear Kellaway
playing it on the TV theme.  It's either a super easy piano version
or it's just the changes - I can't remember.  I came up with an
arragement that reasonably approximates the TV version, though, and
I can send you a midi file of it sometime next week when I get a
chance to create it.

I assume that posting it to the group would be a no-no due to
copyright limitations?

By the way, I bought a CD recorded by Kellaway that includes this
tune and was disappointed to hear that he had a completely different
take on it in that recording.  I'm sure he got tired of playing it a
thousand times for fans of the show and just wanted to give it a
fresh sound, but sometimes it's better to just give the people what
they want, especially if I am the people and I shelled out $15 for
your CD. :)


-Dan

--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, philharpn@... wrote:
>
> Looking for a song called "Remembering You" (1971) by Roger
Kellaway and
> Carroll O'Connor. It was used as the closing theme for "All in the
Family" -- the
> Archie Bunker classic. Any clue to digital downloads or
TV
>
> It's listed as "Vocal (With Piano Solo) Stride Style.
>
> I misplaced my folio that only contains the tune -- but I had the
foresight
> to copy ONLY the first page (easier on the piano's music rack!)
>
> Phil Lloyd
>
>
>
> **************
> Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
> fuel-efficient used cars.
>       (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
>

Years ago, I worked as MC in a NY piano jazz club.  Roger appeared
there.  He did the tune every night and it sounded the same as on
TV.  The only thing about it is that you only heard the first eight
bars or so on the show.  The rest of the tune is quick lovely.

Todd

--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Montgomery"
<dan_montgomery88@...> wrote:
>
> Phil,
>
> I found this a couple years ago with great difficulty and will look
> for it when I get home.
>
> The music I bought, however, is not arranged as you hear Kellaway
> playing it on the TV theme.  It's either a super easy piano version
> or it's just the changes - I can't remember.  I came up with an
> arragement that reasonably approximates the TV version, though, and
> I can send you a midi file of it sometime next week when I get a
> chance to create it.
>
> I assume that posting it to the group would be a no-no due to
> copyright limitations?
>
> By the way, I bought a CD recorded by Kellaway that includes this
> tune and was disappointed to hear that he had a completely
different
> take on it in that recording.  I'm sure he got tired of playing it
a
> thousand times for fans of the show and just wanted to give it a
> fresh sound, but sometimes it's better to just give the people what
> they want, especially if I am the people and I shelled out $15 for
> your CD. :)
>
>
> -Dan
>
> --- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, philharpn@ wrote:
> >
> > Looking for a song called "Remembering You" (1971) by Roger
> Kellaway and
> > Carroll O'Connor. It was used as the closing theme for "All in
the
> Family" -- the
> > Archie Bunker classic. Any clue to digital downloads or
> TV
> >
> > It's listed as "Vocal (With Piano Solo) Stride Style.
> >
> > I misplaced my folio that only contains the tune -- but I had the
> foresight
> > to copy ONLY the first page (easier on the piano's music rack!)
> >
> > Phil Lloyd
> >
> >
> >
> > **************
> > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
> > fuel-efficient used cars.
> >       (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
> >
>

Hi, All.

Well, according to the poll, it looks like a toss-up between
Wednesdays and Thursdays for the live broadcasts. I already have
plans for tonight (Wednesday), so for this week, at least, let's do
the live broadcast tomorrow night, Thursday July 3 at 8:00 PM
(Eastern Daylight Time). In weeks to come I might move it to a
different night, but I like the idea of returning to Thursdays.

As usual, I'll supply the live stream of music on Elite Syncopations
Radio: http://www.ragtimeradio.org

All listeners are encouraged to join the simultaneous chat at Dan
Mouyard's website: http://music.mouyard.com/forums/
(You'll need to click on the tiny "Chat" tab about a third of the way
down the page.)

If you've never tuned into one of the live broadcast and chat
sessions, why not give it a try? It's always a lot of fun. It's
completely free. Anyone can listen to the ES Radio station, but to
enjoy much better sound quality and no commercial interruptions, you
might want to consider becoming a Live365.com "VIP" member. It costs
about $5 per month, and if you can spare the five bucks, I think
you'll find it's well worth it. Plus, when you listen as a "VIP"
member, a fraction of your monthly $5 is sent back to ES Radio to
help reduce my broadcasting costs. (Currently, for every hour that
each VIP listens, ES Radio gets about 1 cent back--not a heckuva lot,
but if enough VIPs listen, it can add up to a few dollars per month
off my broadcasting bill!)

Hope to see you all tomorrow night!
Bryan W.

Agree.  I used to watch reruns and wait for the closing credits so I
could hear the song.  On certain episodes, the credits would run
longer and they'd go into the interlude theme for a couple measures,
so I knew there was more to the tune.

The music I got has the whole thing.  While the main theme has
sentimental value and crowd appeal, I think I like the interlude
theme even better - it's got some neat changes.

-Dan

--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Robbins"
<coneyislandtodd@...> wrote:
>
> Years ago, I worked as MC in a NY piano jazz club.  Roger appeared
> there.  He did the tune every night and it sounded the same as on
> TV.  The only thing about it is that you only heard the first
eight
> bars or so on the show.  The rest of the tune is quick lovely.
>
> Todd
>
> --- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Montgomery"
> <dan_montgomery88@> wrote:
> >
> > Phil,
> >
> > I found this a couple years ago with great difficulty and will
look
> > for it when I get home.
> >
> > The music I bought, however, is not arranged as you hear
Kellaway
> > playing it on the TV theme.  It's either a super easy piano
version
> > or it's just the changes - I can't remember.  I came up with an
> > arragement that reasonably approximates the TV version, though,
and
> > I can send you a midi file of it sometime next week when I get a
> > chance to create it.
> >
> > I assume that posting it to the group would be a no-no due to
> > copyright limitations?
> >
> > By the way, I bought a CD recorded by Kellaway that includes
this
> > tune and was disappointed to hear that he had a completely
> different
> > take on it in that recording.  I'm sure he got tired of playing
it
> a
> > thousand times for fans of the show and just wanted to give it a
> > fresh sound, but sometimes it's better to just give the people
what
> > they want, especially if I am the people and I shelled out $15
for
> > your CD. :)
> >
> >
> > -Dan
> >
> > --- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, philharpn@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking for a song called "Remembering You" (1971) by Roger
> > Kellaway and
> > > Carroll O'Connor. It was used as the closing theme for "All in
> the
> > Family" -- the
> > > Archie Bunker classic. Any clue to digital downloads or
> > TV
> > >
> > > It's listed as "Vocal (With Piano Solo) Stride Style.
> > >
> > > I misplaced my folio that only contains the tune -- but I had
the
> > foresight
> > > to copy ONLY the first page (easier on the piano's music rack!)
> > >
> > > Phil Lloyd
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > **************
> > > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
> > > fuel-efficient used cars.
> > >       (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
> > >
> >
>

This is great.

Todd

--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Wright <bryan@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi, All.
>
> Well, according to the poll, it looks like a toss-up between
> Wednesdays and Thursdays for the live broadcasts. I already have
> plans for tonight (Wednesday), so for this week, at least, let's
do
> the live broadcast tomorrow night, Thursday July 3 at 8:00 PM
> (Eastern Daylight Time). In weeks to come I might move it to a
> different night, but I like the idea of returning to Thursdays.
>
> As usual, I'll supply the live stream of music on Elite
Syncopations
> Radio: http://www.ragtimeradio.org
>
> All listeners are encouraged to join the simultaneous chat at Dan
> Mouyard's website: http://music.mouyard.com/forums/
> (You'll need to click on the tiny "Chat" tab about a third of the
way
> down the page.)
>
> If you've never tuned into one of the live broadcast and chat
> sessions, why not give it a try? It's always a lot of fun. It's
> completely free. Anyone can listen to the ES Radio station, but to
> enjoy much better sound quality and no commercial interruptions,
you
> might want to consider becoming a Live365.com "VIP" member. It
costs
> about $5 per month, and if you can spare the five bucks, I think
> you'll find it's well worth it. Plus, when you listen as a "VIP"
> member, a fraction of your monthly $5 is sent back to ES Radio to
> help reduce my broadcasting costs. (Currently, for every hour that
> each VIP listens, ES Radio gets about 1 cent back--not a heckuva
lot,
> but if enough VIPs listen, it can add up to a few dollars per
month
> off my broadcasting bill!)
>
> Hope to see you all tomorrow night!
> Bryan W.
>

The story of how Rick stumbled upon the library of Arthur Pryor is an
extraordinary one.  And so is the fact that he was kicked out of the
Julliard School for playing ragtime!

Todd

--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, philharpn@... wrote:
>
> There is a feature story with a picture of the Paragon Ragtime
Orchestra in
> the Wall Steet Journal. The reporter sits in on at the recording
session and
> talks about the George M. Cohan authentic rag-time era arrangements
that will
> be used. Turns out the Paragon bandleader acquired original
arrangements from
> the era.
>
> The account goes into the backstory of the Rick Benjamin, the
founder and
> conductor of the band and how he got hooked as a an 8-year-old
kid on ragtime
> era songs when he found a 1917 Victrola in his grandparent's garage
and cranked
> it up. This during the Gerald Ford era.
>
>
> The reporter offers some austute observations, during the recording
session,
> among which:
> "The first things you notice are the numbers' exceptional
tunefulness and
> syncopated rhythmic infectiousness."
>
>   
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121492541785619531.html?
mod=opinion_journal_leisure_art
>
>
> The band's site is:
> paragonragtime.com
>  
>
>
> **************
> Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
> fuel-efficient used cars.
>       (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
>

You're kidding, right? That's not a question you expect to hear of
a Pulitzer Prize winning composer with 3 Grammys...

Let's just say we've heard of the guy, he's good, and he's highly
regarded. :)

He has a national if not world-wide reputation as a composer (check
wikipedia or other sites). Most people who know of him would
probably not associate him with ragtime, but he got into the ragtime
scene in the 70's and contributed many wonderful compositions to our
little world, most famously Graceful Ghost Rag.

I'm not that familiar with most of his rags, but taking the Ghost
rags as a cue, they are quite a bit more cerebral than your typical
fare, and much more difficult to play. For example, don't even
bother with "The Poltergeist" or "Rag Infernal". Watch performances
on YouTube and leave it at that.

-Dan

--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, philharpn@... wrote:
>
> Just received a copy of from my exchange library of "William
Bolcom Piano
> Rags" (1991, Marks) ($12.95) distrib. Hal Leonard, 78 pages, that
contains 8
> individual rags plus The Garden of Eden and The Ghost Rags. I
haven't had a
> chance to try any of the tunes out yet -- still working on the
other rag books
> that are due July 8.
>
> On checking with Amazon I notice there is a "Complete Rags for
Piano: Piano
> Solo" (pub. 2000), 128 pages, that contains 22 rags, list $18.95
($12.89
> discount price) as well as a disk, "Bolcom -- Piano Rags" list
$36.98 (no
> discount) of the same 22 tunes.
>
> Apparently this guy is a very busy contemporary composer. Is he
any good? How
> is he regarded?
>
> Phil Lloyd
>
>
>
> **************
> Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
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>

Years ago, I worked as MC in a NY piano jazz club. Roger appeared
there. He did the tune every night and it sounded the same as on
TV. The only thing about it is that you only heard the first eight
bars or so on the show. The rest of the tune is quick lovely.

Todd

--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Montgomery"
<dan_montgomery88@...> wrote:
>
> Phil,
>
> I found this a couple years ago with great difficulty and will look
> for it when I get home.
>
> The music I bought, however, is not arranged as you hear Kellaway
> playing it on the TV theme. It's either a super easy piano version
> or it's just the changes - I can't remember. I came up with an
> arragement that reasonably approximates the TV version, though, and
> I can send you a midi file of it sometime next week when I get a
> chance to create it.
>
> I assume that posting it to the group would be a no-no due to
> copyright limitations?
>
> By the way, I bought a CD recorded by Kellaway that includes this
> tune and was disappointed to hear that he had a completely
different
> take on it in that recording. I'm sure he got tired of playing it
a
> thousand times for fans of the show and just wanted to give it a
> fresh sound, but sometimes it's better to just give the people what
> they want, especially if I am the people and I shelled out $15 for
> your CD. :)
>
>
> -Dan
>
> --- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, philharpn@ wrote:
> >
> > Looking for a song called "Remembering You" (1971) by Roger
> Kellaway and
> > Carroll O'Connor. It was used as the closing theme for "All in
the
> Family" -- the
> > Archie Bunker classic. Any clue to digital downloads or
> TV
> >
> > It's listed as "Vocal (With Piano Solo) Stride Style.
> >
> > I misplaced my folio that only contains the tune -- but I had the
> foresight
> > to copy ONLY the first page (easier on the piano's music rack!)
> >
> > Phil Lloyd
> >
> >
> >
> > **************
> > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
> > fuel-efficient used cars.
> > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
> >
>

I own two vinyl discs of Bolcom playing rags (piano solo), both on the
Nonesuch label. The playing is really first class.

One disc, copyright 1971, is called "Heliotrope Bouquet - Piano Rags
1900 - 1970." H-71257. The tracks are:

1. Turpin "A Rag-time Nughtmare"
2. Joplin "The Easy Winners"
3. Joplin/Chauvin "Heliotrope Bouquet"
4. Lamb: "Ethiopia Rag"
5. Scott "Pegasus"

1. Joplin: "Wall Street Rag"
2. Robers "Pork and Beans"
3. Bolcom "Graceful Ghost"
4. Bolcom: "Seabiscuits"
5. Albright/Bolcom: Brass Knuckle

The second disc, copyright 1974, is called "Pastimes & Piano Rags."
H-71299. The tracks are:

1. Scott: "Efficiency Rag"
2. Scott: "Modesty Rag"
3. Scott: "New Era Rag"
4. Scott: "Troubadour Rag"
5. Scott: "Great Scott Rag"

1. Matthews: "Pastime Rag No. 1"
1. Matthews: "Pastime Rag No. 2"
1. Matthews: "Pastime Rag No. 3"
1. Matthews: "Pastime Rag No. 4"
1. Matthews: "Pastime Rag No. 5"

Last I checked these were not out on CD, but it's been a while since
I've checked.

--

Bill Kelly
Connecticut USA

--

Bryan Cather wrote:
>
>
> William Bolcom is one of this country's premier composers, who works as
> comfortably in the 'vintage pop' realm as he does modern classical
> music.  Since the 1970s, he's had an on-again,off-again semi-touring
> show with his wife, Joan Morris, doing what amounts to cabaret shows.
> On the flip side of this is his career as a classical composer,
> particularly of keyboard music.  I recall, for example, he was tapped to
> compose a piece for a significant Organ competition in Dallas.  My own
> first exposure to  Bolcom was a ragtime LP he made back in the 70s, with
> William Albright, on which they played both their own compositions, and
> the works of Joplin, Lamb, and others (if memory serves).
>
> BryanC

Agree!  Agree!  When I was a kid, I had no interest in any of the
thousands of rolls with black boxes stacked in every corner of the
house, but the red QRS rolls were the fun ones (that we were allowed
to play!).  Really cool arrangements of:

Theme from Batman
Mission! Impossible
Music to Watch Girls By
Up, Up in the Air
Sunny
When You're Hot, You're Hot
Spanish Flea
Whipped Cream
Jesus Christ, Superstar

Come to think of it, I'm not really sure why we had any of those -
none of that music is of any interest to my dad.  They were probably
a free sample collection from a visit to the QRS factory or
something...

But yeah, these weren't just throwaway arrangements to fill a market
need, they were full and intricate and went the extra mile.  Batman,
for example, had a killer boogie bass, a couple of sweet jams after
the first run through of the verse, and a key change at the end with
a really neat riff, ending with a classic major 7 chord with
augmented fifth (I don't know my chord notations.)  It was my
favorite chord for a long time after that, before I started
listening to Oscar Peterson :).


-Dan

--- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Cather <catt967@...>
wrote:
>
> There was a time, back in the 70s, when that, along with The
Entertainer, and a few other tunes, were sort of 'must haves' for
the average joe with a player piano....and Todd's absolutely
correct, it truly IS a lovely tune when heard in its entirety.
>
> Incidentally, in the 70s, QRS put out what I consider to be some
really REALLY nice arrangements, of what at the time were some of
the current pop tunes.  If you happen to come across some of these,
like "Lara's Theme" (Dr. Zivago), Simon & Garfunkle's "The Sound of
Silence" or Jim Croce's "Time In A Bottle", you might actually be
pleasantly surprised at the level of musical craftsmanship, and the
surprisingly intricate musical effects their arranging staff at the
time was able to achieve.
>
> Todd Robbins <coneyislandtodd@...>
wrote:                             Years ago, I worked as MC in a NY
piano jazz club.  Roger appeared
>  there.  He did the tune every night and it sounded the same as on
>  TV.  The only thing about it is that you only heard the first
eight
>  bars or so on the show.  The rest of the tune is quick lovely.
>
>  Todd
>
>  --- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Montgomery"
>  <dan_montgomery88@> wrote:
>  >
>  > Phil,
>  >
>  > I found this a couple years ago with great difficulty and will
look
>  > for it when I get home.
>  >
>  > The music I bought, however, is not arranged as you hear
Kellaway
>  > playing it on the TV theme.  It's either a super easy piano
version
>  > or it's just the changes - I can't remember.  I came up with an
>  > arragement that reasonably approximates the TV version, though,
and
>  > I can send you a midi file of it sometime next week when I get
a
>  > chance to create it.
>  >
>  > I assume that posting it to the group would be a no-no due to
>  > copyright limitations?
>  >
>  > By the way, I bought a CD recorded by Kellaway that includes
this
>  > tune and was disappointed to hear that he had a completely
>  different
>  > take on it in that recording.  I'm sure he got tired of playing
it
>  a
>  > thousand times for fans of the show and just wanted to give it
a
>  > fresh sound, but sometimes it's better to just give the people
what
>  > they want, especially if I am the people and I shelled out $15
for
>  > your CD. :)
>  >
>  >
>  > -Dan
>  >
>  > --- In EliteSyncopations@yahoogroups.com, philharpn@ wrote:
>  > >
>  > > Looking for a song called "Remembering You" (1971) by Roger
>  > Kellaway and
>  > > Carroll O'Connor. It was used as the closing theme for "All
in
>  the
>  > Family" -- the
>  > > Archie Bunker classic. Any clue to digital downloads or
>  > TV
>  > >
>  > > It's listed as "Vocal (With Piano Solo) Stride Style.
>  > >
>  > > I misplaced my folio that only contains the tune -- but I had
the
>  > foresight
>  > > to copy ONLY the first page (easier on the piano's music
rack!)
>  > >
>  > > Phil Lloyd
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > **************
>  > > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
>  > > fuel-efficient used cars.
>  > >       (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
>  > >
>  >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> test'; ">
>

May 26, 2009 is the next Ragtime Rally and we are looking for
performers and ideas for programs.  Got a second to shoot me an email
about a topic or program you would like to see in keeping with the 1904
World's Fair theme?  We chose this theme because we were awarded a
grant talking about Scott JOplin's St. Louis.

Since it's been a while since the last ES Radio live broadcast, I
thought I'd just send out a reminder e-mail that we'll be having a 2-
hour broadcast on ES Radio tonight (Thursday), starting at 8:00 PM.
Fix your favorite beverage and maybe a little popcorn, then tune into
Elite Syncopations Radio at:

http://www.ragtimeradio.org

and join the chat at:

http://music.mouyard.com/forums/

for lots of good music and good company -- the best interactive
ragtime radio program on the 'net!

Hope to see you tonight!

Bryan W.

Oops! I forgot to mention that the 8:00 start time for the ES
broadcast is EASTERN DAYLIGHT TIME! So, if you happen to be in Iowa,
California, Idaho, Texas, Prince Edward Island, or somewhere else NOT
in the Eastern Daylight Time zone, please adjust accordingly.

Now back to the regularly scheduled programming...

Bryan W.