Euroshak : Message: Re: [Euroshak] What influence on 19th century shakuhachi?

Hi Kiku
Last time I checked, the Taisho period ran from 1913 to 1926. So that's well within the 20th century, not 19th century as claimed. If the influence you are refering to took place rather in the 20th century that makes much more sense since Tozan-ryu was active by then (which did not exist in 19th century), which we know was very much involved with Western influences. Or were those sources refering to occurences in the previous century?

If you would like to share the details of the articles you found, I am sure many of us would be interested to hear about it. In particular the lineages, regions (and if possible the shakuhachi makers names) discussing the issue of tuning and timbre would be very interesting to hear.

The reason I questioned your statement was because it sounded as if you may be claiming/implying that the "jiari"(/"jinuri") shakuhachi was created in a pre-Tozan environment to be in tune with Western music and to sound like the Western flute. This seemed to imply that the "jiari" shakuhachi is perhaps "less Japanese". It's an interesting idea. I was curious if it was based on any evidence.

Best wishes
Justin

--- On Mon, 3/30/09, kiku@... <kiku@...> wrote:

From: kiku@... <kiku@...>
Subject: Re: [Euroshak] What influence on 19th century shakuhachi?
To: Euroshak@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 4:58 PM

Dear Justin.

Sorry for a late reply, but I did not have time before the concert to answer.
If you read through the shakuhachi journal Sankyoku from the Taisho and early Showa periods, you can read quite a few articles where people discuss how to tune so that it will be standardised to Western pitch, get a more flute-like timbre etc.
Sankyoku is a must for people wishing to do research into shakuhachi history. It can be a challenge to read Taisho period writing in Japanese. I got through it so I am sure you can as well. Some times I got my mother to read it up for me. She didn't understand what she was reading, but I did. That was a good collaboration!
Good luck with it!
Kiku

On Thu 19/03/09 1:46 AM , "Justin ." justinasia@yahoo. com sent:

Hi Kiku
Good luck for your performance on 26th. If I were in London I'd love to come.

I was interested in what you wrote in the advertisement, that during the latter half of the 19th century "Shakuhachi makers experimented creating modern shakuhachi tuned to Western pitch, having a larger volume and a 'purer' sound like a flute" "influenced by especially Western music."

Do you have any evidence for this?

Best wishes
Justin

http://senryushakuh achi.com/

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