ms nena asks that i remind you the deadline for quilt squares to be
in is october 1st.    as in rapidly approaching.
jana

This Saturday (September 9) CBC Radio One's "DNTO" will be plugging Greg's
_Covenant_ recording. I figure it'll be about a 10-minute segment. For those
interested, here's a segment of the programming information:

--------
2-3pm.

*Greg Brown is a name you may not know yet, but the veteran folk
singer-songwriter has written tunes performed by a who's who of roots
artists.  Folk and roots reviewer Les Siemieniuk takes a shine to his latest
accomplished work.  Lovely stuff.
-------

Regards,

gb

-------

"When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or
not."

-- Mark Twain

I'm sure most of you are probably way ahead of me, but if yer not - here's the
announcement...

I found a couple of customizable radio stations on the information wasteland  -

http://radio.sonicnet.com/
http://launch.com

I've tried them both and I'm sure there are more out there.  The neat thing
about these is that you can tell it to play lots of Greg Brown and Chuck Brodsky
and EmmyLou, and don't play so much Eminem and Britney Spears and Missy
'Misdemeanor' whatever her name is.  As I sit at work pecking away, MY kind of
music is playing quietly in the background.

I was able to tune into more Greg on Sonic Net, but I liked some of the features
of Launch better - it seemed more customizable on the fly.  If you want to
listen to the stations I created on either site to get a feel for it, my 'DJ'
(chuckle) name is birchfinch.

Greg Brown and show tunes, what could be better?

Good Luck!

Bryan

i have been thinking-- and talking-- about the quilt deal with lots
of you and i have a couple of concerns to air--
it occured to me not to post the pictures because it could 1)
contaminate the imaging for those who hadn't done their square yet
or 2) intimidate some of us less crafty types.  but i had so many
calls to see them i went ahead and put them up.

if you are uncomfortable having yours on a link please let me know.
i am truly sorry for not obtaining individual permission prior to
posting them.  i was carried away by my excitement.

as for the intimidation piece-- please, don't be.  i for one got my
only D in my life in home ec.  (just one of many startling
coincidences between shirley and i--)  but i will make my piece, and
then by golly i will make peace with my piece-- because it will be
done with love and sincerity.  (or wild laughter and a bottle of
cheap wine.  but whatever. he seems the kind who'd be pleased either
way).  and i encourage those of you so moved to do the same.  yes,
there will be a wide variety of materials, of themes, of complexity,
of design, of styles.  isn't that sort of like greg's music?  isn't
that sort of why we like him?

a while back the brilliant mr elsemore e'd me with a worry that if
this quilt was too big a deal, greg might say gosh, i better stay
retired, what with the big goodbye.  i told him not to worry-- greg
will do whatever the hell he feels like doing, like he always does. i
think i said something to the effect  if greg tells the new yorker
interviewer he is entering the jesuit brotherhood one week, and the
next week decides he rather make blue films, he wouldn't feel the
slightest embarrassment about it, or contradiction.

so if the quilt is all over the place, well, what better way to
recognize the diverse community he brings together under our own big
sky-blanket?

sincere is where it's at.  love is where it's at.  art and
artisanship-- well, some got it, some, like me, have other talents.
like, uh, well, i can whip greg's butt in scrabble.  and others.
they are escaping me.  but they are plentiful i am sure.  so DO NOT
BE AFRAID TO BE WHO YOU ARE-- whether Martha Stewart
or a Shy Person Who Hates Sewing.

and don't feel you have to send a piece if you don't want to.  the
money donations are really helpful.  paying for the thread, as maggee
did.  or the time of the sewer.

stepping down off the pulpit, i remain yrs truly,
rev jana

At 12:42 AM 9/8/00 +0000, Doctor Svoboda stated:

>   i for one got my
>only D in my life in home ec.  (just one of many startling
>coincidences between shirley and i--)

          I must huffily report that I received a _C_ in Home Economics -
eighth grade - from Mrs. Judith DeJulia, who was a Miss, may I add, before
she captured the hunk-a-buns science teacher, Mr. Dominic DeJulia, through
relentless application of her domestic charms, like, over and
over.  Further, I must also point out that I should have received an F...or
lower, had there been such a grade...but for the woman being so utterly
alternately appalled/disbelieving/pitying of me.  I could see in her eyes
the awful truth.  I would never attain a Mr. DeJulia of my own.  Further
again, I will insist that the oven mitt Doctor Svoboda produced could not
possibly have approached the apron I created in perfect hideousness.
          In all other ways, however, we are identical twins.
                  Shirley

Hey quilt square designers....

I believe each of us who agreed to DONATE a quilt square gave over our rights to
the images we created when we mail said quilt square.  If Jana and Nena decided
to sell the actual quilt squares rather than use them for the quilt gift to Greg
then we might have a beef.  Even if Jana and Shirley (and Fern) were not Great
Goddess Gurus they still would have had the right to put the images up on Greg's
web page.  And..yes they could do so without my consent or your consent.  That
just the way it is in the art world.  Posting the images is really a service to
all of us.  Without the posting only a few would get to see them.  All of the
squares I have viewed are wonderful and I think we can all say "Boy are We
Good!!!".  And, what a great gift the quilt is.  We should all give Jana, Nena,
and Shirley a million thanks!

Whitney

Linda Whitney said:

We should all give Jana, Nena, and Shirley a million thanks! >

Let's hear it for these great ladies, folks! THREE CHEERS! Fern

At 8:38 AM -0500 9/8/00, Linda Whitney wrote:
>Hey quilt square designers....
>
>I believe each of us who agreed to DONATE a quilt square gave over our
>rights to the images we created when we mail said quilt square.

As a professional artists/photographer I'd suggest that you have a brief
agreement, just a piece of paper saying what is and is not OK with these
squares will do fine, but I think it would be good for every quilter to
sign it.  This wouldn't be in case of ugliness so much as for clarity.

Copyright is a big issue now that Mr. Gates is very busy buying up
intellectual property left and right, and it's gonna get bigger.  If we
make a calendar we'll need to protect our interest in the contents and
result, just because it's always best to spell these things out.

I am certain that we can all trust each other on this, but once we start to
try to increase the return for the benefit of something, anything at all,
we need to be orderly and businesslike.  I personally think we can work out
a way to make something for In Harmony from this quilt project, and I also
think it's a good and appropriate project for the list - to move us beyond
just being a fan club.  But we probably should be talking this over, and
it's good to see that we're moving in that direction.

Best always to have everything out in the open and no unhappiness or
unspoken assumptions as we go along.

Things which might be on the piece of paper:

reproduction for use on the Greg Brown web site, or the list web site, but
not all over the net without permission from us.

reproduction for use in making a calendar as a fund raiser for Greg's
adopted charity, In Harmony, or any other product or charity that we and
Greg agree is appropriate.

reproduction for purposes of advertising the charity fund raiser.  If we're
going to spend money to make calendars we might be able to approach the
folkie magazines about giving us some advertising space to reach those who
don't get to the festivals, like the folks in France.

reproduction in newspapers when they pick up the story, which I guarantee
they will, because my local and regional papers have already picked up the
story about Greg's work for In Harmony.

Also, the "Home Ec failures" might not be willing to have their squares in
all these types of places and might prefer their gifts to remain private
while doing good as part of the whole.  That's my idea of a good reason for
having something on paper.

I'm not intending to throw cold water on anything here.  I'm quite excited
about the idea of taking this quilt beyond just a retirement gift for Greg,
and I think with a bit of coordination and thought, which some of us seem
quite willing to donate, we can pull this off.  But as a business person
I'd prefer that we take care of ourselves on this, and not let things
happen that we don't want.

Emily L. Ferguson
elf@...  508-563-6822
New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography
Beetle cats on the web at:
http://www.beetlecat.com/gifts.htm
http://www.capecod.net/sqtg/nebcba/results/99champs.html
landscape at:
http://www.capecodlife.com/CCD/regions/upper_cape.html

I agree with Emily...except when one donates without attached clauses rights to
the image are resigned.  I am a professional printmaker and have been through
this in court.  It might be a courtesy to ask for signatures but it is just
that, in a donation.
Perhaps with photos it is different (because more than one image can be printed
from a negative)...but as one who hand prints very small editions of intaglios
if I donate one of my social issue images (without any attached clauses) to the
Child Abuse Awareness office with the Attorney General they have the right to
use my image however they wish, without my consent.  If the image is not donated
then the artists retains the rights.  I have a very good friend who is an
art-lawyer and who represented me when one of my social issue images, that I
dontated, was "ripped off" by a thrid party and misused.  We had a tough time in
court because the third party had direct connections to the organization to
which the image was donated.  The third party did post the image on the web and
on posters in an anticause statement.  We won...only beacuse it was anticause. 
We almost lost beacuse the image was donated.  Perhaps other states have image
use laws on the books that over ride this situation.

But.....the gift/quilt is not only a wonderful idea but the concept of our warm
wishes covering Mr. Brown when he is on sabbatical is grea,t even as a symbol. 
And we shouldn't have to even discuss the issue.

So Rock On Nena!

Whitney

>>> "Emily L. Ferguson" <elf@...> 09/08 9:35 AM >>>
At 8:38 AM -0500 9/8/00, Linda Whitney wrote:
>Hey quilt square designers....
>
>I believe each of us who agreed to DONATE a quilt square gave over our
>rights to the images we created when we mail said quilt square.

As a professional artists/photographer I'd suggest that you have a brief
agreement, just a piece of paper saying what is and is not OK with these
squares will do fine, but I think it would be good for every quilter to
sign it.  This wouldn't be in case of ugliness so much as for clarity.

Copyright is a big issue now that Mr. Gates is very busy buying up
intellectual property left and right, and it's gonna get bigger.  If we
make a calendar we'll need to protect our interest in the contents and
result, just because it's always best to spell these things out.

I am certain that we can all trust each other on this, but once we start to
try to increase the return for the benefit of something, anything at all,
we need to be orderly and businesslike.  I personally think we can work out
a way to make something for In Harmony from this quilt project, and I also
think it's a good and appropriate project for the list - to move us beyond
just being a fan club.  But we probably should be talking this over, and
it's good to see that we're moving in that direction.

Best always to have everything out in the open and no unhappiness or
unspoken assumptions as we go along.

Things which might be on the piece of paper:

reproduction for use on the Greg Brown web site, or the list web site, but
not all over the net without permission from us.

reproduction for use in making a calendar as a fund raiser for Greg's
adopted charity, In Harmony, or any other product or charity that we and
Greg agree is appropriate.

reproduction for purposes of advertising the charity fund raiser.  If we're
going to spend money to make calendars we might be able to approach the
folkie magazines about giving us some advertising space to reach those who
don't get to the festivals, like the folks in France.

reproduction in newspapers when they pick up the story, which I guarantee
they will, because my local and regional papers have already picked up the
story about Greg's work for In Harmony.

Also, the "Home Ec failures" might not be willing to have their squares in
all these types of places and might prefer their gifts to remain private
while doing good as part of the whole.  That's my idea of a good reason for
having something on paper.

I'm not intending to throw cold water on anything here.  I'm quite excited
about the idea of taking this quilt beyond just a retirement gift for Greg,
and I think with a bit of coordination and thought, which some of us seem
quite willing to donate, we can pull this off.  But as a business person
I'd prefer that we take care of ourselves on this, and not let things
happen that we don't want.

Emily L. Ferguson
elf@...  508-563-6822
New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography
Beetle cats on the web at:
http://www.beetlecat.com/gifts.htm
http://www.capecod.net/sqtg/nebcba/results/99champs.html
landscape at:
http://www.capecodlife.com/CCD/regions/upper_cape.html



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I, for one, made a quilt square for Greg.  It is not a "work of art".
It is simply a quilt square, to be part of a whole quilt.  I am a tad
bit uncomfortable with the image of my square made public at egroups,
though I can deal with that.  But asking permission is a noble thing to
do before expanding this project further than initially intended.  We
were not asked if we wanted to make something for an In Harmony
fundraiser, to be published as a calender or otherwise made public.  I
have nothing against the idea, but people should have known about this
before mailing their squares.  Let's remember the purpose of this
project.  I would prefer to make a financial contribution to In Harmony
rather than have something I personally created for Greg's quilt be
turned into quite something else.
Sorry for sounding so rash.  Just my thoughts on the issue.
- Jody

At 11:20 AM -0400 9/8/00, Jody Groshek wrote:
>I would prefer to make a financial contribution to In Harmony
>rather than have something I personally created for Greg's quilt be
>turned into quite something else.
>Sorry for sounding so rash.  Just my thoughts on the issue.
>- Jody

Just what I think we need to be clear about.  Thank you, Jody, for letting
us hear your point of view.

Emily L. Ferguson
elf@...  508-563-6822
New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography
Beetle cats on the web at:
http://www.beetlecat.com/gifts.htm
http://www.capecod.net/sqtg/nebcba/results/99champs.html
landscape at:
http://www.capecodlife.com/CCD/regions/upper_cape.html

In a message dated 9/8/00 11:26:12 AM Central Daylight Time, jlg@...
writes:

<< It is not a "work of art".  It is simply a quilt square, to be part of a
whole quilt. >>

I contributed to the quilt too and also feel this way.  I don't mind the
squares being posted, I've had a lot of fun looking at the squares and
wondering how Nena is going to get this whole thing together into one
harmonious quilt!  I'm not opposed to the calendar idea, but wonder if I
would want to look at a quilt square like my amateur attempt for a whole
month.  I'm just a mom with a needle and thread that is greatful to Mr. Brown
for the music he gives us!
I was wondering what anyone would think of a calendar, separate from the
quilt, using artwork created by list members depicting Greg's music.  That
way, those who are home economically challenged could pick up a pencil, brush
or crayon and have at it.  The freedom of expression wouldn't be limited to
what can be done on fabric and the intent of the project would be out there
from the start.   If there are too many prints for a calendar, maybe a
booklet of some kind could be printed.  I'm not trying to complicate things,
just throwing out another idea.
Pat

Whew!  This whole quilt thing has taken on a whole life of it's own.
I like your idea Pat!  This was the spirit that I initially intended
and obviously did not think things through enough.  I also made my
squares out of appreciation of what his words have given me.  What I
wanted from the beginning was to be able to see everyone's
contribution (only those who would want) in one "thing".  I thought
the "thing" could be a calendar because it would be a way of marking
time and seeing the squares all together.  I really did not intend to
offend anyone.  I just got swept up in the excitement of seeing all
the beauty in everyone's contribution.  Quilting or painting on
fabric
is not everyone's cup 'o tea.... any medium would be able to be used
to copy for a calendar.  That way, anyone who wishes could contribute
and if not, don't.  I really like your idea.....great solution. Liz

if we are taking a vote, i say let's keep the quilt deal separate
from everything else.  a gift to greg, plain and simple.
jana

Seems to me that, aside from the issue of donating to In Harmony, all we
all really want is to see the quilt and all that's in it. I personally
would be content with a picture posted on the web of Greg, maybe even with
Queens Nena & Jana, being presented with the finished quilt with a big
smile on his face, and another photo of the finished quilt where all the
squares are visible. If people are bashful about their squares being up on
the official website, the photo could be tucked away in our little egroups
files; even though it's accessable to anyone, who off the list is ever
really going to look in there?

I agree that not many folks outside the list would be willing to buy a
quilt calendar, or booklet, or anything else not directly created by Greg
himself. It's very possible that much of the list wouldn't even buy it...
notice that it's a rather small number of people who have been commenting
on this calendar issue. I don't think that such a small run would generate
much money for In Harmony. The quilt should be kept a separate project, a
gift.

-Cynthia

Dear Rev,
I was thrilled to see all the squares and delighted and reassured by their
diversity.  Thanks for the good work and the good words.
Morgen

I agree with Jana and Cynthia. Let's keep the quilt what it was originally
intended: A gift to Greg from his email list friends.

I'd love to have a calendar of quilt squares, but I think there's WAY more
to it than originally thought, and it's probably not something that would
generate much money for In Harmony. One thing that might be good, though,
would be for everyone who participates in the quilt to also send a small
donation, in Greg's name, to In Harmony. I know that seems like a double
'contribution' but I know IH would appreciate the money and the thought,
and I'm certain Greg would appreciate it, too.

Lisa

winner of the best subject line - Cynthia "the quilt's enough, goddammit"

on another note: how many people are subscribed to this list?

Mike Smeets

check out Bob's web page at
http://members.tripod.com/Bob_Smeets/index.htm

At 02:54 PM 9/8/00 -0700, you wrote:

>squares are visible. If people are bashful about their squares being up on
>the official website, the photo could be tucked away in our little egroups
>files; even though it's accessable to anyone, who off the list is ever
>really going to look in there?

          To clarify, only the messages are publicly available to everyone
at the egroups site.  One has to be subscribed to the list in order to
access any of the other links.
          However-- 218 people are currently subscribed to this list.  If
anyone made a square with the belief that only Greg, Jana, and Nena would
see it, if it is currently in the files at the egroups site, and if you are
uncomfortable with that, write to me directly at cottles@... to
let me know you want it removed, and it's gone - no questions asked.  I
don't have the right nor desire to look at anyone physically naked without
that person's consent.  As far as I can tell, the same holds true for
anyone who feels emotionally naked or vulnerable.  It's not up to me to
analyze their reasons and decide if they're valid or legally
supported.  What is up to me is to leave them and their reasons alone.
          If you were making a private statement for Greg with the square
you made or if you thought it looked goofy, but only he would see it and
you knew he'd understand, though thank the Goddess no one else would ever
look at it or if for any other reason you don't want it displayed - it
doesn't have to be, at least not by my efforts.  I put the pictures in the
files, and I can take them out.  Just give the word.  If anyone other than
the maker of the square wants to insist they're public property and we
should get to look at them anyway, the issue can be taken up with Ron.
          Shirley

re shirley's post.
exactly.

now can we get back to talking about really inmportant stuff, like
greg's footwear and whether he beats his dog?

just kidding (sort of).

and don't worry, i won't post pages from the book, or anything else,
without permission.
lesson learned.
jana

As someone who stood up for the pessimistic side of things on this whole
calendar deal, I just have to say how impressed I have been over the past
week by the willingness of people to donate their time, energy and money to
such a project. That raising money for these kids is at the forefront of so
many of your minds is really honorable. I am genuinely impressed and
excited by your enthusiasm to help and to give. I don't want to discourage
anyone from throwing out ideas, even if you think they aren't well thought
out, because this is a discourse after all and good things have and will
come of it.

And the way people cordially defer to others who might make a good point,
the way apologies proliferate when someone may have been hurt or
insulted... I am just reminded of how wonderful is this community that GB
has brought together here. Let's have a big group hug and move on.

-Cynthia

Talk about not thinking things through...

To all those who have already or have planned in the future to give me
consent to look at them naked, I am deeply honored.  However, I am very
old, and such lusty excitement would soon kill me.  I regret that I must
sacrifice said ecstasy to remain alive and raise my cats in an unbroken home.

Cripes.  Kids today.

Shirley

In a message dated 9/9/00 7:04:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
cottles@... writes:

<< However, I am very old, and such lusty excitement would soon kill me. I
regret that I must sacrifice said ecstasy to remain alive and raise my cats
in an unbroken home.>>

Egads.....by all means, reamin alive and enjoy your birthday today dear
Empress!!!!!!!
Pat

Pat said:

Egads.....by all means, reamin alive and enjoy your birthday today dear >
Empress!!!!!!! >

I didn't do it! I DIDN'T DO IT!! Pat did!! But since she did, here's to a
GREAT GAL on her day! Now, open said present and swoon away! We love you
bundles! Just remember, I was GOOD and I DIDN'T POST IT!!! Fern
PS. I would have been quiet, really! Thanks Pat! :-D

Well, mine is in the mail, you can look at it, post it, do anything you
want.  I like the calendar idea.  I love the passion everyone has in
discussing this thing!  I also understand those not wanting to have
their work made "public."  I think that, considering all of us who spend
so much time with our obsession here, we share a lot of things that the
rest of the world just wouldn't understand.  Anything from looking at
quilt squares to talking about ideas of  calenders is just an extension
of that and you are all BEAUTIFUL people.
Thanks you for sharing that.
Sandy

happy happy whiz-bang, ms. shirlaroo-- had i paid better attention i
would have mailed you a giant cake full of folk-singers--

i notice we scared someone off the list with our incessant quilt
chatter-- in case anyone didn't know, there are settings to egroups
that let you get no mail (read on web) or just digest form, so you
aren't constantly pinged with information.

sandy, since you gave me blanket permission to do what i will with
your square, if i really like it can i make it into a nightie?

uh-- greg related content:  nena is working on the action figures.
so
far we have the snarly leather pants greg and the tender-hearted
hillbilly greg-- no. 1 comes with tiny empty flask, half-smoked
lucky-strike, and a chair to throw; no. 2 with snot rag, hoe, and
seeds.
jana

Amen, amen, amen!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, CHRYSANTHEMUM ONE!

Yr humble servant,
Morgen

In a message dated 9/9/00 8:19:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, fanniemac@...
writes:

<< GBrown-L@egroups.com >>

Bought the issue of Spin mag that has the review of Covenant in it.
After David Lee Roth in a thong and the 100 sleazzy moments I was
hoping for a little longer of a paragraph. But I must say the cd that
came with it isn't that bad.

  still shuddering

Peace and Enfolkment

~RB~
Neely


Ottawa Folk Festival Pics
http://www.geocities.com/ravenblue69/ottawa.html

Jana, you can make it into a nightie only if you post a photo of it
completed and on, because we are not afraid to share things around here.

Sandy

Dennis,

Are you still here somewhere?  email me at elf@... if you are.  Or if
anyone is still privately emailing with Dennis, or snail mailing  with him,
please contact me.

Thenks.

Emily L. Ferguson
elf@...  508-563-6822
New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography
Beetle cats on the web at:
http://www.beetlecat.com/gifts.htm
http://www.capecod.net/sqtg/nebcba/results/99champs.html
landscape at:
http://www.capecodlife.com/CCD/regions/upper_cape.html