Pretty interesting, all the names you mentioned seem at least a
bit familiar, I've definitely read stuff about Banister & Swerdlow in
the past. It seems all the Brits I know on-line are still using the
British pound, it still seems prevalent within their country, last I
knew it was still worth more than the dollar & the euro, with the
dollar being on the bottom of the pile. The U.K. would be way better
off getting out of the E.U., they could then get back their
sovereignty as a nation & reclaim the things they lost by joining
(among these would be the right to buy vitamins in decent dosages
over the counter without a bloody prescription!).
    Let me know ahead of time when one of these events happens again,
please, like at least 2 weeks if you know that soon, or even earlier.
I wasn't in shape to go last weekend but would like to attend
sometime.
    The name of the event sort of reminds me of what we have running
this country right now, except they are actually Conspiratorial Cons!

Cheers,
        B.V.

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--- In G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com, wayne hawes <dhawes2002@...> wrote:
>
> So Conspiracy Con this past Memorial Day weekend was quite
interesting.  It was held at the Doubletree Hotel in San Jose.
>
>   There were speakers ranging from very sober politicians to self
described mind control survivors.
>
>   On the one side was Ashley Mote, a British MEP  - - member of the
European Parliament - - who said convincingly that Britain needs to
get out of the European Union.  There was also a former special agent
for the I.R.S., Joe Banister, who got trained at U.S. Marshalls'
school.  The IRS has really gone after him after he resigned from the
organization, and spoke out against it.
>
>   On the other side was Stewart Swerdlow, one of a fair number of
people who claim that they were survivors of the Montauk Project in
the early seventies.  He says the research involved
interdimensionality, mind control, time travel, contact with
extraterrestrials, etc.  He gave us an in depth history of the ties
of planet Earth to other worlds going back tens of thousands of years.
>
>   I met author Adam GoRightly there, and he introduced me to Kenn
Thomas, editor of "Steam Shovel Press" and author of "Parapolitics."
Also Skylaire Alfvegren, who writes as a free-lancer for "Hustler"
magazine and other publications.  We all went out to the AMORC
Egyptian temple and took zany photos - - and went into the tomb
inside the museum.
>
>   Also visited the Quetzalcoatl statue, which some people call
dinosaur dew-dew that fell out of the sky because of its unsightly
appearance.
>
>   There were other great speakers.  If you are all interested, I
could fill you in on more of what happened at Conspiracy Con.
>
>   The drawback of Conspiracy Con is that one speaker made us look
at the Zapgruder footage of Kennedy's assassination over and over
again.
>
>   Later, Douglas
>
>
>
>
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Hi Brian,

   "Conspiracy Cons" might work as a name for a rock band...

   So the UFO Expo is coming up next.  I will save this as a "draft" and come
back after a little research with a firm date.

   The main argument that Ashley Mote and others in the U.K. Independence Party
are asserting is that they are giving away their hard won British sovereignty
and liberty to a European Union dominated by Continental powers (France and
Germany) that are traditionally used to an all powerful state that controls
people's lives.  The state saying what you can and cannot do, granting a little
liberty here, restricting or taking away a little liberty there, etc.

   They are asserting that in British tradition since Magna Carta (1215) it is
understood that the government must have the consent of the governed, and that
the king is the servant of the people, not the other way around.  These Brits
are asserting that in Continental Europe they have the attitude that the people
are the servants, or vassals, of the state.

   In daily practical terms the British are dealing with all these new onerous
E.U. directives that are dictating policy to Britain in areas such as
agriculture, forests, fisheries, pensions, labor law, and on and on and on. 
These Brits assert that the Europeans just are too into regulating every aspect
of daily life.  And that this regulatory mindset is just un-British.

   So Mote warned us that what the E.U. is trying to do to Europe and to Britain
will soon be happening to us if the North American Union becomes a reality.

   So my research is complete - - the Bay Area UFO Expo is being held on August
25 and 26 at the Doubletree Hotel, right next to Highway 101 in San Jose.  Very
close to the airport.

   A whole lineup of speakers which I have never heard of before, except for a
small few.

   The webpage, I believe, is www.thebayareaufoexpo.com.

   It is seen as perhaps the best UFO convention in the country.

   Douglas

Brian Vaughan <sonikcraft@...> wrote:
           Pretty interesting, all the names you mentioned seem at least a
bit familiar, I've definitely read stuff about Banister & Swerdlow in
the past. It seems all the Brits I know on-line are still using the
British pound, it still seems prevalent within their country, last I
knew it was still worth more than the dollar & the euro, with the
dollar being on the bottom of the pile. The U.K. would be way better
off getting out of the E.U., they could then get back their
sovereignty as a nation & reclaim the things they lost by joining
(among these would be the right to buy vitamins in decent dosages
over the counter without a bloody prescription!).
Let me know ahead of time when one of these events happens again,
please, like at least 2 weeks if you know that soon, or even earlier.
I wasn't in shape to go last weekend but would like to attend
sometime.
The name of the event sort of reminds me of what we have running
this country right now, except they are actually Conspiratorial Cons!

Cheers,
B.V.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--- In G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com, wayne hawes <dhawes2002@...> wrote:
>
> So Conspiracy Con this past Memorial Day weekend was quite
interesting. It was held at the Doubletree Hotel in San Jose.
>
> There were speakers ranging from very sober politicians to self
described mind control survivors.
>
> On the one side was Ashley Mote, a British MEP - - member of the
European Parliament - - who said convincingly that Britain needs to
get out of the European Union. There was also a former special agent
for the I.R.S., Joe Banister, who got trained at U.S. Marshalls'
school. The IRS has really gone after him after he resigned from the
organization, and spoke out against it.
>
> On the other side was Stewart Swerdlow, one of a fair number of
people who claim that they were survivors of the Montauk Project in
the early seventies. He says the research involved
interdimensionality, mind control, time travel, contact with
extraterrestrials, etc. He gave us an in depth history of the ties
of planet Earth to other worlds going back tens of thousands of years.
>
> I met author Adam GoRightly there, and he introduced me to Kenn
Thomas, editor of "Steam Shovel Press" and author of "Parapolitics."
Also Skylaire Alfvegren, who writes as a free-lancer for "Hustler"
magazine and other publications. We all went out to the AMORC
Egyptian temple and took zany photos - - and went into the tomb
inside the museum.
>
> Also visited the Quetzalcoatl statue, which some people call
dinosaur dew-dew that fell out of the sky because of its unsightly
appearance.
>
> There were other great speakers. If you are all interested, I
could fill you in on more of what happened at Conspiracy Con.
>
> The drawback of Conspiracy Con is that one speaker made us look
at the Zapgruder footage of Kennedy's assassination over and over
again.
>
> Later, Douglas
>
>
>
>
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Of course the North American Union is designed to delete individual  liberty.
Of course it is. The NAU supporters are either naive or uniformed. The  Maga
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>   The main argument that Ashley Mote and others in
> the U.K. Independence Party are asserting is that
> they are giving away their hard won British
> sovereignty and liberty to a European Union
> dominated by Continental powers (France and Germany)
> that are traditionally used to an all powerful state
> that controls people's lives.  The state saying what
> you can and cannot do, granting a little liberty
> here, restricting or taking away a little liberty
> there, etc.

the european left will argue that sarkosy and merkel
are more "american" leaning on the role of government
in society,, sarkosy mostly ran as one that would
usher in american economic reforms and stricter
immigration laws, merkel has been refered to as the
german thatcher,, and beyond that, what if the people
do want to have societal constraints so they can fend
off aggressive abusers of individual rights,, just as
i try to argue that the blanket right of an individual
to carry a gun in reality places a burden on me to
carry a gun, restricting distribution of things in the
name of a free market, think someone mentioned medical
supplements, and having regulations on what is made
available allows the general population to develop a
bit of comfort with what is offered,, at some point
you have to determine a street grid and ask people to
stop driving over all the earth,, of coarse either
side can be pushed to an extreme that is more harmful
than the other, but deciding that line is up for
debate,, of all my favorite arguements for
restrictions on individual rights is the linkage of
free speech with election financing, the purist will
argue that we can't restrict the individual and we
can't tell them what they do with their money and
mouth, but following that to a clear division of
options essentially grants control of the election to
the rich and craps on the rights of the poor,, rights
run amok become restrictions on the weak and poor, i'd
like to think we want to preserve the rights of the
poor as much as the rich, the uneducated as much as
the educated, the weak as much as the strong, the ugly
as much as the beautiful, the young and elderly as
much as the prime of lifers,, a libertarian approach
to rights yeilds a system that tilts far out of
balance, rights, be it individual or communal, require
structure else the stronger and more devious will
stomp all over the weak and honest, as they will
assert is their right to do,,

as for the eu, we've experienced the sovereign
absolutists run the of european countries and it gave
us lots of death and war,, one person's stripping of
sovereignty is anothers move towards cooperation and
togetherness,, its always easy to blame the great
overseer, but it is often that we overlook the
microdictators (corrupt sherrifs,...)that can run amok
in a decentralized environment, and as far as
regulations we should not ignore the potential of the
abusers of laissez faire laws (snake oil
salesmen...),, the recent rash of food and medicinal
exports out of china should give us cause for alarm
and understand that we need controls less we let the
whole game turn into a crapshoot,, i know i'm mixing
messages here, the border sovereignty and the rights
of individuals to buy whatever, but that is the
challenge we all face if we want to live in harmony,
the best way to preserve the rights of all is to find
that balance,

>   They are asserting that in British tradition since
> Magna Carta (1215) it is understood that the
> government must have the consent of the governed,
> and that the king is the servant of the people, not
> the other way around.  These Brits are asserting
> that in Continental Europe they have the attitude
> that the people are the servants, or vassals, of the
> state.

the emergence of democracy and the right of a vote has
addressed this, the magna carta envisioned voter
rights, but if the people vote to have a strong
central government that is confined by the process of
elections, one that pushes ideas that the voters want
to have pushed (regulations) then they are not giving
up their individual rights neccessarily,, for an
individual to have effective and workable rights they
must operate in an environment that is not being
defined by the extremes, you have to resist the
chaotic just as you have to resist the totalitarianism

how's everyone, hope everyone is doing well, i'm a bit
less gloomy after we finally got some rain, been 5
weeks or so since any rain, clearing the air of all
the allergies, i think i actually smelled something
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of all  my favorite arguements for
restrictions on individual rights is the linkage  of
free speech with election financing


I agree with Steve on this. Ironic that this element  of "free   speech"
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Being in New York City recently, I really got a sense of how the power elite is
linked together, and how they think globally rather than nationally.  The people
behind the drive toward the NAU.

   New York City is the critical nexus.  There is so much wealth and power in
that city!

   The Federal Reserve Bank of New York, with all the gold bars located in cages
five stories underground.  25% of the world's gold reserves, according to the
guide book.

   Across the street, the world headquarters of Chase Manhattan Bank - - as if
hinting at who's boss of the Federal Reserve system.  David Rockefeller for
years the chairman - - also the founder of the Trilateral Commission.

   The Council on Foreign Relations headquarters is in the Upper East Side.  A
faceless but dignified building without even a sign indicating who is
headquartered there.  Just the street number, "68," over the door lintel.  With
a security man going by the front door if anyone is hovering outside for too
long.

   The United Nations headquarters only seven or eight blocks away.  On land
picked out by Nelson Rockefeller, purchased with money donated by John D.
Rockefeller, Jr.

   These are the globalists.

Kinney777@... wrote:
           Of course the North American Union is designed to delete individual
liberty.
Of course it is. The NAU supporters are either naive or uniformed. The Maga
Carta humbled...who'da thunk it. But for the will of concerned and awake
citizens, so go we.
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   Play the first video. It's a riot.

   Now, do you Brits know why we love baseball? Where else are you going to see
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   Baseball is a trip.


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--- Kinney777@... wrote:
. Ironic that this element
>  of "free   speech"
> costs lots and lots and  lots of cash.
> G

this seems so absurd on the face of it, but it is very
important to look at it critically,, it is bad
practice to try to reduce things to the simplist black
and white distinction as many do with free speech and
as many try to do with pieces of the bill of rights,,
we should try to hold on to all the rights we can, but
also be willing to understand that life can be quite
tricky at times,, free speech should not be honored to
the extent that it destroys an honest democracy,,
buying an election is unfortunately the way it works
today,, i still say we have strict public funding of
elections and the free speech absolutists will just
need to give in on this one else we will be dictated
to by the rich with the occasional radical populist
rising up when things get a bit out of control like in
venezuela, chavez wasn't brought in by money but he is
a response to the abuse of the system by the rich, and
now chavez is quickly becoming the least tolerant
leader in south america ruling by threat and blanket
control of society, he's like the latino putin,,

meant to lay off the speeches, but i'm stalling going
back outside, painting my house, removing old paint is
fun fun fun,,
also saw bert jansch last weekend, awesome guy, great
musician, was easily up there with seeing roky, at
least for me,,

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Nice post. I agree with  most  of it. Yelling "fire" in a crowded  theater is
  always used as a caveat to free speech and I think it is  a  good one. But,
yelling fire  is not  only a right, but a   responsibility is there, indeed,
is a fire.
But there really are issues that  require giving in to  public  interests at
the expense  of  pirvate rights. Many  issues. It is  a slippery  slope,
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Solar works really well on a household level.  Small scale, that is.

   Unfortunately, on a macro level, it takes enormous solar farms to get any kind
of power production.  The largest solar farm is in Spain (or Portugal?), and
covers massive amounts of acres.

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--- Kinney777@... wrote:
> the expense  of  pirvate rights. Many  issues. It is
>  a slippery  slope,
> though, once you start sliding down it.
> G

believe it or not, i'm very sympathetic to this
slippery slope arguement, on this list i pretty much
come across as ignoring it in a way because the
prevailing push for individual rights doesn't really
need any more of a shove, you guys do a great job of
focusing on that,, the slippery slope issue is more
directed towards the separation of church and state,
the idea of formal acceptance of a defined higher
spiritual guidance, i'm all for finding meaning or
seeking a deeper purpose, but i feel we far too often
create one without much solid foundation beneath it,,
but as for the more famous individual rights addressed
in the bill of rights, i think many of those can be
taken to a point of hurting the whole in the pursuit
of the rights of the irresponsible,, not that i'm not
for irresponsible people, many of my best friends are
irresponsible and i love em to death,, still
reponsibility not accepted is not responsibility at
all,

anyhow,, how ya doing george, i've been away from the
computer for a while, last you were having some health
issues and heading down to mexico,,
hope all is well

i was sort of hoping to hear some comments on ron
paul, he's certainly getting that attention the
bloggers claim he is denied,, i'm happy the focus has
been on the issue i agree with him on, the war in
iraq,, i'm not always in agreement with his outright
isolationist tendancies cause i feel we as this giant
rich behemouth do owe a bit of effort to help others,
in the case of iraq, that was far from an example we
owed the world our efforts, in fact it wasn't a way to
help others, it was nothing more than a shortside,
simple minded cowboy trying to be a badass, all
without any risk to his own well being mind you,, i
used to just giggle when i heard people suggest w
would be the worst president in history, there have
been some doozies, but i'm now convinced, the
disasterous iraq war, the neglect of our place in
international circles, the total miscalculation of how
to deal with north korea and iran, the grotesque
handout of wealth to the already insanely rich through
tax cuts, the pathetic neglect of environmental
issues,, i actually think this idiot may have leaped
right up to the top, takes a lot to out moron hoover
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So I just heard some second hand news about the border situation in Texas.  From
the Mexican-American lady who with her husband hosts a weekly "joy group" (Bible
Study) at their house here in San Jose.

   Her husband's oldest sister is in town from Nuevo Laredo - -  a border town, I
guess, along the Rio Grande.  The sister is a school administrator, and is
scared a lot about what is happening in Nuevo Laredo.  She wants to get her
family out of there.

   She is saying that a lot of events in Nuevo Laredo are not getting reported in
the news.  How people are being threatened, and murdered, by the drug gangs that
are using Nuevo Laredo as their main entry point into the United States.  Anyone
who talks out against them is shot.  People are afraid down there, and many want
to leave.

   Douglas

Steve S <weencock@...> wrote:
           --- Kinney777@... wrote:
> the expense of pirvate rights. Many issues. It is
> a slippery slope,
> though, once you start sliding down it.
> G

believe it or not, i'm very sympathetic to this
slippery slope arguement, on this list i pretty much
come across as ignoring it in a way because the
prevailing push for individual rights doesn't really
need any more of a shove, you guys do a great job of
focusing on that,, the slippery slope issue is more
directed towards the separation of church and state,
the idea of formal acceptance of a defined higher
spiritual guidance, i'm all for finding meaning or
seeking a deeper purpose, but i feel we far too often
create one without much solid foundation beneath it,,
but as for the more famous individual rights addressed
in the bill of rights, i think many of those can be
taken to a point of hurting the whole in the pursuit
of the rights of the irresponsible,, not that i'm not
for irresponsible people, many of my best friends are
irresponsible and i love em to death,, still
reponsibility not accepted is not responsibility at
all,

anyhow,, how ya doing george, i've been away from the
computer for a while, last you were having some health
issues and heading down to mexico,,
hope all is well

i was sort of hoping to hear some comments on ron
paul, he's certainly getting that attention the
bloggers claim he is denied,, i'm happy the focus has
been on the issue i agree with him on, the war in
iraq,, i'm not always in agreement with his outright
isolationist tendancies cause i feel we as this giant
rich behemouth do owe a bit of effort to help others,
in the case of iraq, that was far from an example we
owed the world our efforts, in fact it wasn't a way to
help others, it was nothing more than a shortside,
simple minded cowboy trying to be a badass, all
without any risk to his own well being mind you,, i
used to just giggle when i heard people suggest w
would be the worst president in history, there have
been some doozies, but i'm now convinced, the
disasterous iraq war, the neglect of our place in
international circles, the total miscalculation of how
to deal with north korea and iran, the grotesque
handout of wealth to the already insanely rich through
tax cuts, the pathetic neglect of environmental
issues,, i actually think this idiot may have leaped
right up to the top, takes a lot to out moron hoover
but he seems to have done it

steve s

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There is also the aspect of the argument in which it can be asserted that the
American people are essentially lazy when it comes to politics.  $100 to $200
billion are spent on alcohol annually.  $30 billion on tattoos.  $60 billion on
dieting.  I'm throwing these numbers out there, but they are not that far off.

   Rather than restricting campaign spending so much, and talking about how free
speech needs to be restricted, rank and file Americans need to start marshalling
their resources and form political committees.

   Why not start a Texas Psych PAC?

   Douglas

Steve S <weencock@...> wrote:

--- Kinney777@... wrote:
. Ironic that this element
> of "free speech"
> costs lots and lots and lots of cash.
> G

this seems so absurd on the face of it, but it is very
important to look at it critically,, it is bad
practice to try to reduce things to the simplist black
and white distinction as many do with free speech and
as many try to do with pieces of the bill of rights,,
we should try to hold on to all the rights we can, but
also be willing to understand that life can be quite
tricky at times,, free speech should not be honored to
the extent that it destroys an honest democracy,,
buying an election is unfortunately the way it works
today,, i still say we have strict public funding of
elections and the free speech absolutists will just
need to give in on this one else we will be dictated
to by the rich with the occasional radical populist
rising up when things get a bit out of control like in
venezuela, chavez wasn't brought in by money but he is
a response to the abuse of the system by the rich, and
now chavez is quickly becoming the least tolerant
leader in south america ruling by threat and blanket
control of society, he's like the latino putin,,

meant to lay off the speeches, but i'm stalling going
back outside, painting my house, removing old paint is
fun fun fun,,
also saw bert jansch last weekend, awesome guy, great
musician, was easily up there with seeing roky, at
least for me,,

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So I talked to the brother today at church, whose oldest sister lives in Nuevo
Laredo.

   Apparently she has been wanting to leave Nuevo Laredo with her family for a
long time, but developments and tensions of late in the border region are
hastening her decision.

   She is actually a school district adminstrator, which means she could be more
aware of things going on in the larger region than I suggested earlier.  Like
getting the full story from the executive office, as school district
adminstrators interface with police and local county and state officials on how
to deal with local developments - - and how to advise teachers and parents on
how to respond to the tensions and the pressures.

wayne hawes <dhawes2002@...> wrote:
           So I just heard some second hand news about the border situation in
Texas. From the Mexican-American lady who with her husband hosts a weekly "joy
group" (Bible Study) at their house here in San Jose.

Her husband's oldest sister is in town from Nuevo Laredo - - a border town, I
guess, along the Rio Grande. The sister is a school administrator, and is scared
a lot about what is happening in Nuevo Laredo. She wants to get her family out
of there.

She is saying that a lot of events in Nuevo Laredo are not getting reported in
the news. How people are being threatened, and murdered, by the drug gangs that
are using Nuevo Laredo as their main entry point into the United States. Anyone
who talks out against them is shot. People are afraid down there, and many want
to leave.

Douglas

Steve S <weencock@...> wrote:
--- Kinney777@... wrote:
> the expense of pirvate rights. Many issues. It is
> a slippery slope,
> though, once you start sliding down it.
> G

believe it or not, i'm very sympathetic to this
slippery slope arguement, on this list i pretty much
come across as ignoring it in a way because the
prevailing push for individual rights doesn't really
need any more of a shove, you guys do a great job of
focusing on that,, the slippery slope issue is more
directed towards the separation of church and state,
the idea of formal acceptance of a defined higher
spiritual guidance, i'm all for finding meaning or
seeking a deeper purpose, but i feel we far too often
create one without much solid foundation beneath it,,
but as for the more famous individual rights addressed
in the bill of rights, i think many of those can be
taken to a point of hurting the whole in the pursuit
of the rights of the irresponsible,, not that i'm not
for irresponsible people, many of my best friends are
irresponsible and i love em to death,, still
reponsibility not accepted is not responsibility at
all,

anyhow,, how ya doing george, i've been away from the
computer for a while, last you were having some health
issues and heading down to mexico,,
hope all is well

i was sort of hoping to hear some comments on ron
paul, he's certainly getting that attention the
bloggers claim he is denied,, i'm happy the focus has
been on the issue i agree with him on, the war in
iraq,, i'm not always in agreement with his outright
isolationist tendancies cause i feel we as this giant
rich behemouth do owe a bit of effort to help others,
in the case of iraq, that was far from an example we
owed the world our efforts, in fact it wasn't a way to
help others, it was nothing more than a shortside,
simple minded cowboy trying to be a badass, all
without any risk to his own well being mind you,, i
used to just giggle when i heard people suggest w
would be the worst president in history, there have
been some doozies, but i'm now convinced, the
disasterous iraq war, the neglect of our place in
international circles, the total miscalculation of how
to deal with north korea and iran, the grotesque
handout of wealth to the already insanely rich through
tax cuts, the pathetic neglect of environmental
issues,, i actually think this idiot may have leaped
right up to the top, takes a lot to out moron hoover
but he seems to have done it

steve s

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Hendrix and Moby Grape double billed at the Earl Warren Fairgrounds in Santa
Barbara, California, in July, 1967.

   A person told me that on this occasion, the Grape outplayed Hendrix.  He
attended the show that day.

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stomps his ass:
http://www.meltdown.tv

In a message dated 6/8/2007 3:25:32 PM Central Daylight Time,
weencock@... writes:

I'm  not always in agreement with his outright
isolationist tendancies cause i  feel we as this giant
rich behemouth do owe a bit of effort to help  others,
in the case of iraq, that was far from an example we
owed the  world our efforts, in fact it wasn't a way to
help others, it was nothing  more than a shortside,
simple minded cowboy trying to be a badass,  all
without any risk to his own well being mind you,, i
used to just  giggle when i heard people suggest w
would be the worst president in  history, there have
been some doozies, but i'm now convinced,  the
disasterous iraq war, the neglect of our place in
international  circles, the total miscalculation of how
to deal with north korea and iran,  the grotesque
handout of wealth to the already insanely rich through
tax  cuts, the pathetic neglect of environmental
issues,, i actually think this  idiot may have leaped
right up to the top


Steve,
Howdy, amigo. I am back from Mexico and my health is  better. I am playing a
few gigs next month in Austin with my new acoustic  ensemble, The Cedar
Creekers, named after our small community. I wish I knew how  to update my
website
so I could post the new gigs. Oh well, in the final  analysis (whatever that
is)! it really doesn't matter. I am still writing songs  and singing 'em when
and where I can. My son, Abe, and I did a few private  concerts on the beach in
San Juan de Alima Mexico...fun and fulfilling. He plays  congas and some
guitar and sings with me sometimes. More importantly, he is  learning my songs
and
writing some of his own. Turns out, he has a damn good  voice and a knack for
songwriting among his many other talents.
  As for the political side of your message, I  think we are in
agreement....more and more as we iron out the kinks in our  discussions.
Here's my bumper sticker view on isolationism.   First it is a term that is
both too general and too specific...but we both know  that already. I think we
should drop back and punt. Stop acting like we have the  magic plan for
everyone and trying to enforce our "enlightenment" on the world.  First of all,
we
have gone astray and don't really have it together in so many  ways that to
assume that we do is a bad mistake and it keeps us from trying to  really figure
our how a superpower should act. We  should, I think, go back to the drawing
board, brainstorm our strengths and  weaknesses, and get our shit together.
That is, learn to  create and  sustain prosperity in our modern setting in a way
that is respectful to all  living beings and as fair as it can be as to the
distribution of wealth. The  fruits of everyone who contributes should be
substantial and able to provide for  a good life style. We have the technology
to do
this, and where we lack the  tech, we can develop it with what we do have. We
just need to be nicer. We need  to think of others as we pursue our
individual dreams. Other people have dreams,  too. Community working together as
individuals throw in their best efforts to  attain societal peace and prosperity
and
thus create an environment that  informs, enhances, and rewards individual
effort. The individual and the  community are not separate after all. We are one
being from this point of view,  and we each assume individual aspects of
humanism to fulfill our individual  destinies, the destinies of our eternal
souls.
The more reverent we are for all  life and the expression of compassion and
sharing is what we should concentrate  on, not the desire for external power
and the instant gratification of our  perceived needs. Of course, instant
gratification is okay as long as it doesn't  spoil someone else's chances for
gratification or lesson our ability to sustain  our own ability to move towards
what
idealize as growth and  fulfillment.
Give my best to your fine family.
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I guess it is official now...the Spurs are the team of the decade. I never
really liked basketball, it always made me too tired to run back and forth like
  that. I am too short, too. But after going to a few Spurs games with the
general  manager of the Lincoln dealership I used to work for, I really got into
it. He  took the top sales person to his box seat for each home game, and I
was usually  the top salesman, so I got to go. Gourmet food, and plenty of
whiskey and beer.  And the players were about a thousand feet tall.
Who the hell cares? And why did I feel obligated to say such things?  Getting
old, I guess.
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I like it. Sounds like something you can pick up cold in Lukenbach. "I'll
have a Texas Psyche Pack to go, por favor."
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Today, I am ten years clean-n-sober. I will be speaking at a big AA meeting in
Scottsdale today, upwards of a 100 people. They want to hear what I have to say;
1% ever get 10 years.

   It's good to be alive.

   Kiloh


"How much money do you make peddling that filth of yours Mr. Zappa?"

"Millions Senator...Millions."
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Good job, Kiloh.  I have a friend who is coming up on the five years coin.

Roky Syd <rokysyd11@...> wrote:          Today, I am ten years
clean-n-sober. I will be speaking at a big AA meeting in Scottsdale today,
upwards of a 100 people. They want to hear what I have to say; 1% ever get 10
years.

It's good to be alive.

Kiloh

"How much money do you make peddling that filth of yours Mr. Zappa?"

"Millions Senator...Millions."
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--- In G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com, wayne hawes <dhawes2002@...> wrote:
<Good job, Kiloh.  I have a friend who is coming up on the five years
coin.>

Thanks. My talk went very well. I did try and talk about "different"
stuff; I've been giving the same talk for ten years. But I got
nervous doing that. I don't like change.

Also, there's a golden-haired, green-eyed, vision of loveliness that
attends that meeting. I'm madly in love with her. She friggin' sat
directly down in front, right below me! I about died seeing those
gorgeous cat's eyes gazing up at me. I became very fidgety and my
palms began sweating. My mind began racing.

But my friends said I sounded FANTASTIC and not nervous at all. It
was all in my head.

I'm going to hike my balls up and go talk to this woman tomorrow. My
voice will probably be all squeaky. Jeeeeeeeezus, when I'm near her
my brain speeds up and my tongue slows down. She affects me like
nothing else.

George, this one made me forget ALL ABOUT Jewell. Christ...

I'd like to see this group bounce back. I'm not *gone*. I'm managing
34 corporate blogs. This means LOTS of Internet postings. I'm burnt
out on it at the end of the day. That's why I haven't been around.

Ten years feels pretty good.

Kiloh

I know the author. He's a dick but maybe he wrote a good book:
   http://processmediainc.com/titles/coming_soon/eye_mind.php





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"Millions Senator...Millions."
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I saw this title advertised at "Conspiracy Con" in San Jose at the Doubletree
Hotel about a month ago.  I figured you folks all were familiar with the title
already.

   The flyer was left on a table, although there was no official representative
of "Process Media" at the event, to my knowledge.

   This organization "Process Media" is highly suspicious to me.  I wonder if it
has any ties to the Process Church, which some conspiracy researchers,
particularly author/ investigator Maury Terry, assert continues to exist.

   My contact in Santa Cruz asserts that the Process Church is one of the big
"behind the scenes" forces in Hollywood, and is responsible for a good
percentage of the movie production - - particularly horror films.

   One interesting sidenote - - I recently photo copied the entire work "Satan's
Power: A Deviant Psychotherapy Cult" (University of California Press, 1978). 
This work is the only book length scholarly work on the Process Church of the
Final Judgment.  It was written by William Sims Bainbridge, who wrote the book
as a participant/ observer, perhaps for his doctoral degree in sociology. 
Bainbridge is now one of the leading sociologists in the country, the author of
several textbooks and numerous publications, and a member of the National
Academy of the Sciences, and other elite scientific bodies.  I wonder if he
still has ties with his former Process Church colleagues from the seventies?

   Anyway, I saved the flyer.  There is just something about the energy behind
this "Process Media" group, and the sort of books they are promoting.

   Douglas

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http://processmediainc.com/titles/coming_soon/eye_mind.php




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Posted by: "Roky Syd" _rokysyd11@... _
(mailto:rokysyd11@...?Subject=
Re:The%20Saga%20of%20The%2013th%20Floor%20Elevators,%20The%20Pioneers%20of%20Psy\
chedelic%20So)   _rokysyd11 _ (http://profiles.yahoo.com/rokysyd11)
Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:50 pm (PST)
I know the author. He's a dick but maybe he wrote a good  book:
_http://processmediahttp://processmhttp://procehttp://prhtt_
(http://processmediainc.com/titles/coming_soon/eye_mind.php)




  hmm, there are NEVER enough Roky & Syd  books...Kiloh , this sounds like its
gonna be good..you say know this guy?









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Read this below. I work with African charities and use the
name "Robin". When you contact this woman refer to me as "Robin".
Those interested in participating contact this woman:

I hope that this message finds you well. I am searching for any type
of suggestions possible in regards to how ASAP Africa can reach out
to performers and coordinate a charity benefit. We have been meeting
with the Amphitheater in Peachtree City, GA to develop an awesome
concert for October of 2008. It has been a little overwhelming when
cost of performers is discussed. I was hoping that you could provide
me with the best way to reach out to performers and get them to
donate their time for a good cause. We are in the beginning stage so
any information at this time would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
so much for your continued support and all of your unwavering efforts
to promote the good of African nonprofits.

Sincerely,

Shannon Dunn
Fund Development Coordinator
shannondunn@...
www.asapafrica.org
770-632-7451

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GET THE WORD OUT! Here's an opportunity to play a big concert!

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