--- On Thu, 11/12/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:
Yes, I remember the camps where they placed many loyal US citizens who were
Japanese. Terrible. But, we pay all this shitload of money for Homeland
Security, and they don't do shit. The guy who shot the soldiers at Ft. Hood
(where I served as an MP for a stint) had be previously discovered to be a
threat, but apparently it was just too much trouble to get rid of him, so the
board who was supposed to decide just told the suspects superior officers to let
it go and he would be out of their hair when he was re-assigned to Ft. Hood...or
something like that. The same sort of shit happened prior to 911.
We are so afraid of offending someone we let 'em kill us, just so we can't be
accused of profiling. Well, profiling is a way of life.

===========
i can understand this point,, the guy did throw up a lot of flags and the
military will be judged on how they handled this specific case,, but as for the
profiling,, i'm guessing you'd think it wrong if the feds used profiling to take
away the guns of some survivalist that subscribed to violent ideals about how to
save the world,,, we are expected to consider gun owners responsible until they
actually do something bad with it,, it's a judgement call and that call will
always be hammered by someone that disagrees with it,, innocent until proven
guilty unless it's that dude over there and not me,, even something as innocent
as long hair causes trouble,, until i started cutting mine i was regularly
pulled over while driving and searched,, since i keep it more or less short,
that never happens, the cops would even tell me to clean up my act if i don't
want to be stopped,,

steve s

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:





I have been trying to decipher this mysterious message all day and can't. Help!
G

..."and after all, Obama has been on a mission to prove he is more gun than the
next guy for some reason,, he has directed his attention towards oysters,, ..."
 
i was saying that obama has been a giant disappointment to the gun regulation
folks,, he backed the nra position on the dc case for example,, yet, to the
important part, the fda, under obama's appointed leadership, has taken upon
themselves to declare raw oysters a no-no,, the fda has determined that the rest
of the country should follow california's approach and sterilize all oysters
before they can be served,, you can read more about it, at least the local new
orleans paper's take on it here
http://www.nola.com/dining/index.ssf/2009/10/louisiana_blasts_fda_plan_to_l.html
 
i'm heading back down there in a month or so, and i plan on existing on a diet
of nothing but raw oysters,, i'll eat them till i puke,,
 
steve s



 




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Good point.
G
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jon mckim
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:35 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment



   > But maybe the information I got was falsified. I really can't tell anymore,
even snoops is suspect.
   >


   Only way we can ever be "sure" is to read the bills as they are posted on the
Congress website.

   That's assuming you have time, patience, and the wherewithal to digest and
make sense of the legalese they usually write them in.

   That's also assuming that the sometimes 1000-plus page bills are posted there
long enough before they do their 11:30-PM vote on a Saturday night, like the
House did with the Health Care bill last week.
   Bastards.

   Jon


   ---------- Original Message ----------
   From: "George Kinney" <kinney777@...>
   To: <G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com>
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
   Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:05:48 -0600

   No, but it is a new version of that old, failed bill...I think. But maybe the
information I got was falsified. I really can't tell anymore, even snoops is
suspect.

   G
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Steve S
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:33 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment

   isn't this some old failed bill from like 10 years ago,, and not actually
happening
   http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/SB2099.shtml

   --- On Tue, 11/10/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:

   From: George Kinney <kinney777@...>
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:21 AM

   Have you heard? The 2010 income tax form, good ol' all around favorite, 1040,
will require anyone owning firearms to list them, their value, serial numbers,
location in the house, and pay a tax on ownership. Also, the next level, HR 45,
being considered in congress, will make anyone owning a firearm submit to
fingerprinting, a fee per firearm, a medical evaluation at the time and place
selected by the IRS, and other repressive provisions that are in the works.
   The income tax part was slipped through committee and signed off on by Obama
without a vote being cast for or against by either house of congress. It was
falsely spun as a minor IRS adjustment. How can this happen? I know I am in the
minority on this list when it comes to 2nd Amendment rights, but where goes one
right, others will follow...down the shitter in this case. Kiloh and others say
don't worry about this, that there are much bigger fish to fry. I vehemently
disagree. Once our rights to the protection of ourselves, our families, and our
communities from all aggressors, including a repressive government, are taken
from us, we will literally have no stick with which to fight back. Even though I
do not think it will ever come to an actual shooting revolution, the threat of
it, as in the cold war, acts as a detente against unfettered repression of the
populace. I wish you all agreed with me, but alas, that is a rather unrealistic
hope. I know most of
   you are very intelligent and caring folks, but I must warn you in no uncertain
terms to watch out for this president; he is as dangerous as the last one.
   He has sold out the health care reform movement, caving to the insurance
companies and pharmaceuticals without even a serious fight.
   We are still engaged in two terrible, unwinnable wars with no real plan to get
out.
   Our personal liberties are constantly in peril in the wake of the new "world
community" and the establishment of a global economy based on the greed and
power lust of an international financial oligarchy.
   On and on. And, in the midst of all this, we are being quietly disarmed, just
like the citizens of Germany prior to Hitler's take over back in the 1930's. You
can disagree with my ideas or solutions, of course, but at least see the gravity
of the situation and come up with solutions that might work.
   G

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jon mckim
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
   Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:00 PM
   Subject: RE: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy

   Well, I do think at least two things show that he made a personal shift into
the jihad mindset independently, when he wrote his thing comparing suicide
bombers to soldiers falling on grenades to save others; and when he yelled that
particular Muslim saying when he opened fire. It's not yet proven he was the one
who yelled it they say, but who can we suppose it was? I guess he could have
said it as like an "Oh shit, please save my ass after I do this," but I don't
think so. Whether he was in any kind of contact with other jihadists is not
important. That he chose to personally wage jihad is what is being suspected as
I read it. That's bad enough.
   J

   ---------- Original Message ----------
   From: "Russ Kinter" <pyth7@verizon. net>

   All these Ahs are agree to the obvious without digging further down.
   They seem to imply it was part of a conspiracy for holy-war when other facts
   relevant to the assassin show it isn't.

   tc
   Russ Kinter

   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com [mailto:G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
   > jon mckim
   >
   > A-three'd.
   >
   >
   > ---------- Original Message ----------
   > From: wayne hawes <dhawes2002@yahoo. com>
   >
   >
   > Agreed.
   >
   >
   > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Roky S <rokysyd11@yahoo. com> wrote:
   >
   >
   > I find that he wore traditional Muslim dress as significant. He was about
   > to do his Jihad.
   >

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   Check out George Kinney's Web site here:
   http://georgekinney.com

   Check out a cool Internet radio station here. It's all Psych and Blues:
   http://launch.yahoo.com/lc/?rt=0&rp1=0&rp2=1453797336Yahoo! Groups Links

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I have been trying to decipher this mysterious message all day and can't. Help!
G

..."and after all, Obama has been on a mission to prove he is more gun than the
next guy for some reason,, he has directed his attention towards oysters,, ..."
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Steve S
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:15 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment



   i know you guys love your guns,, but even you have to admit that there are
anti-obama/pro gun groups out there that are more than happy to post false info
in an attempt to stir up their base, in the process collect more money,, the
left does it, the right does it,, there is no doubt that this is not being
considered by the current senate,, and afterall, obama has been on a mission to
prove he is more gun than the next guy for some reason,, he has directed his
attention towards oysters,, i've been silent on this, but it is pissing me off,
if any of you want to rant against big government, this is one issue i'll join
you screaming all the way,,

   speaking of world government,, dana milbank had a piece playing on that theme
in the post this morning

   One World Government? Globe may not be big enough.



  
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   By Dana MilbankWednesday, November 11, 2009

   The New World Order came into being at 4:25 Tuesday afternoon.

   It arrived at the Capitol, until that moment the seat of American government,
in the form of the stooped and bespectacled figure of Ban Ki-moon, who as U.N.
secretary general is the de facto leader of what conspiracy theorists call the
One World Government. One floor beneath the Senate chamber, Ban, a South Korean
national, took his place behind a lectern bearing the Senate seal and spelled
out his demands.
   "I would certainly expect the Senate to take the necessary action; that's what
I have encouraged the senators," he told reporters as a trio of lawmakers stood
at his side. He added an admonition for the chamber to deliver "as soon as
possible."
   The One World Government has specific requirements, Ban added, namely a
"legally binding" commitment to "25 to 40 percent greenhouse gas reduction . . .
as recommended by the IPCC, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change."
   Uh-oh. A U.N. official standing in the Capitol telling U.S. lawmakers what
binding commitments intergovernmental authorities expect from them? Glenn Beck
was going to burst a blood vessel.
   But the man who orchestrated this putsch by the New World Order, Senate
Foreign Relations Chairman John Kerry (D-Switzerland), did not appear concerned
by the imagery. He called the secretary general "Your Excellency." Sen. Richard
Lugar of Indiana (a Republican, but he drives a Prius) was equally deferential
as he spoke of "the privilege of this distinguished visitor."
   And Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) hailed Ban for "the accelerated leadership
role" that the United Nations has taken. "Your vision, that in Copenhagen there
can be a politically binding agreement that will lead to a legally binding
agreement to follow . . . is a very reasonable, sensible and hopeful course."
   Somewhere in Manhattan, Sean Hannity was tearing up his script for the night's
broadcast.

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   Kerry invited Ban to lecture the Foreign Relations Committee, but it's not
clear what the chairman hoped to gain from the photos of him standing with Ban
in the Capitol's Brumidi Corridors. Indeed, it seemed quite possible that a U.N.
endorsement of Kerry's climate efforts would embolden its foes, who like the
world body even less than they like cap-and-trade. In the pantheon of conspiracy
theories, the United Nations is right up there with the Illuminati, the
Trilateral Commission, the Federal Reserve and the Council on Foreign Relations
-- which, as it happens, Kerry addressed a couple of weeks ago.
   Even Americans who don't come from the grassy-knoll tradition tend not to
regard the United Nations with great confidence. A Gallup poll earlier this year
found that 65 percent of respondents thought it was doing a bad job, compared
with 26 percent who think it is doing a good job. Ban himself is not terribly
nefarious, if only because he is unknown. A Wall Street Journal poll found that
81 percent of those surveyed didn't know who he was. The others may have
confused him with the Unification Church's Rev. Sun Myung Moon.
   Ban's profile could become much higher, and not in a good way, if Americans
start to perceive him as meddling in Senate consideration of climate
legislation. Even before he stormed the Capitol, Fox News was drawing a
connection between global warming talks in Copenhagen next month and One World
Government.
   "America, if you believe this country is great but you're not really into that
whole One World Government thing, watch out," Fox News Channel's Beck warned a
couple of weeks ago. His guest, Lord Christopher Monckton of Britain, told Beck
that "at Copenhagen, a treaty will be signed that will, for the first time,
create a world government with powers to intervene directly in the economy and
in the environmental affairs of individual nations." Earlier on Fox News, Dick
Morris informed Hannity that President Obama "believes in One World Government."
And author Jerome Corsi went on Hannity's show to warn about a One World
Government in which "our sovereignty would be subject to the dictates" of the
United Nations and other international organizations.
   The One World Government was on open display at the Capitol on Tuesday, as
international U.N. staffers waited outside the room where Ban spoke to the
senators. The secretary general had come with his own world government (armed?)
security detail, who stood alongside the Capitol police.
   Ban, wearing a gold U.N. lapel pin, unfolded his speech. "Less than a month
from now, the leaders of the world will gather in Copenhagen," he said. "They
must conclude a robust global agreement," that is "comprehensive, binding,
equitable and fair."
   Speaking softly but firmly, the South Korean cautioned the Americans that "the
world is not standing still," and that "all the eyes of the world are looking to
the United States."
   After a few minutes, Kerry cut off questioning. "Folks, the secretary general
has to get to the airport."
   Ban needed to catch the U.S. Airways shuttle to New York. The One World
Government Air Force isn't what it's cracked up to be.

   --- On Wed, 11/11/09, jon mckim <syzygy.606@...> wrote:

   From: jon mckim <syzygy.606@...>
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:35 PM



   > But maybe the information I got was falsified. I really can't tell anymore,
even snoops is suspect.
   >

   Only way we can ever be "sure" is to read the bills as they are posted on the
Congress website.

   That's assuming you have time, patience, and the wherewithal to digest and
make sense of the legalese they usually write them in.

   That's also assuming that the sometimes 1000-plus page bills are posted there
long enough before they do their 11:30-PM vote on a Saturday night, like the
House did with the Health Care bill last week.
   Bastards.

   Jon

   ---------- Original Message ----------
   From: "George Kinney" <kinney777@gmail. com>
   To: <G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com>
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
   Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:05:48 -0600

   No, but it is a new version of that old, failed bill...I think. But maybe the
information I got was falsified. I really can't tell anymore, even snoops is
suspect.

   G
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Steve S
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:33 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment

   isn't this some old failed bill from like 10 years ago,, and not actually
happening
   http://www.senate. gov/reference/ common/faq/ SB2099.shtml

   --- On Tue, 11/10/09, George Kinney <kinney777@gmail. com> wrote:

   From: George Kinney <kinney777@gmail. com>
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
   Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:21 AM

   Have you heard? The 2010 income tax form, good ol' all around favorite, 1040,
will require anyone owning firearms to list them, their value, serial numbers,
location in the house, and pay a tax on ownership. Also, the next level, HR 45,
being considered in congress, will make anyone owning a firearm submit to
fingerprinting, a fee per firearm, a medical evaluation at the time and place
selected by the IRS, and other repressive provisions that are in the works.
   The income tax part was slipped through committee and signed off on by Obama
without a vote being cast for or against by either house of congress. It was
falsely spun as a minor IRS adjustment. How can this happen? I know I am in the
minority on this list when it comes to 2nd Amendment rights, but where goes one
right, others will follow...down the shitter in this case. Kiloh and others say
don't worry about this, that there are much bigger fish to fry. I vehemently
disagree. Once our rights to the protection of ourselves, our families, and our
communities from all aggressors, including a repressive government, are taken
from us, we will literally have no stick with which to fight back. Even though I
do not think it will ever come to an actual shooting revolution, the threat of
it, as in the cold war, acts as a detente against unfettered repression of the
populace. I wish you all agreed with me, but alas, that is a rather unrealistic
hope. I know most of
   you are very intelligent and caring folks, but I must warn you in no uncertain
terms to watch out for this president; he is as dangerous as the last one.
   He has sold out the health care reform movement, caving to the insurance
companies and pharmaceuticals without even a serious fight.
   We are still engaged in two terrible, unwinnable wars with no real plan to get
out.
   Our personal liberties are constantly in peril in the wake of the new "world
community" and the establishment of a global economy based on the greed and
power lust of an international financial oligarchy.
   On and on. And, in the midst of all this, we are being quietly disarmed, just
like the citizens of Germany prior to Hitler's take over back in the 1930's. You
can disagree with my ideas or solutions, of course, but at least see the gravity
of the situation and come up with solutions that might work.
   G

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jon mckim
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
   Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:00 PM
   Subject: RE: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy

   Well, I do think at least two things show that he made a personal shift into
the jihad mindset independently, when he wrote his thing comparing suicide
bombers to soldiers falling on grenades to save others; and when he yelled that
particular Muslim saying when he opened fire. It's not yet proven he was the one
who yelled it they say, but who can we suppose it was? I guess he could have
said it as like an "Oh shit, please save my ass after I do this," but I don't
think so. Whether he was in any kind of contact with other jihadists is not
important. That he chose to personally wage jihad is what is being suspected as
I read it. That's bad enough.
   J

   ---------- Original Message ----------
   From: "Russ Kinter" <pyth7@verizon. net>

   All these Ahs are agree to the obvious without digging further down.
   They seem to imply it was part of a conspiracy for holy-war when other facts
   relevant to the assassin show it isn't.

   tc
   Russ Kinter

   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com [mailto:G_Dawn@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
   > jon mckim
   >
   > A-three'd.
   >
   >
   > ---------- Original Message ----------
   > From: wayne hawes <dhawes2002@ yahoo. com>
   >
   >
   > Agreed.
   >
   >
   > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Roky S <rokysyd11@yahoo. com> wrote:
   >
   >
   > I find that he wore traditional Muslim dress as significant. He was about
   > to do his Jihad.
   >

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   Check out George Kinney's Web site here:
   http://georgekinney .com

   Check out a cool Internet radio station here. It's all Psych and Blues:
   http://launch. yahoo.com/ lc/?rt=0& rp1=0&rp2= 1453797336Yahoo! Groups Links

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True enough about the lawyers. The ones to fear seem to all be wearing those
suits, whatever their professed religion or national status.
G
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Steve S
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:43 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy



   --- On Wed, 11/11/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:
   Not really a fair comparison, I don't think. Did any one every teach me how to
spell facetious? The point is, the other categories you mention are not at war
with us in bum fuck wherever.
   ======

   they may not be at war with the country, but each of the cases i mentioned
have real ties,, the marilyn manson looking kids have been shown to kill
parents, christian fanatics have killed abortion doctors and so on,, the reason
i bring this up is because the followers of islam that i know are more or less
the most peaceful people i know,, personally i'm more afraid of lawyers in
expensive suits and people that iron their shirts

   i surely didn't teach anyone to spell anything,, i can be accused of viewing
spelling as a means to keep the weak down,, i get truely baffled when someone
entirely dismisses an arguement simply because the presenter misspelled
something,, or maybe i just feel that way cause my spelling sucks,, remember i
too am a product of the southern public education system,, and damn proud of it

   steve s





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Yes, I remember the camps where they placed many loyal US citizens who were
Japanese. Terrible. But, we pay all this shitload of money for Homeland
Security, and they don't do shit. The guy who shot the soldiers at Ft. Hood
(where I served as an MP for a stint) had be previously discovered to be a
threat, but apparently it was just too much trouble to get rid of him, so the
board who was supposed to decide just told the suspects superior officers to let
it go and he would be out of their hair when he was re-assigned to Ft. Hood...or
something like that. The same sort of shit happened prior to 911.
We are so afraid of offending someone we let 'em kill us, just so we can't be
accused of profiling. Well, profiling is a way of life. Of course the key word
would be discretion and objectivity. If someone of any religion or race or
whatever runs up a red flag, check it out seriously and professionally. Like I
say, we pay a lot of money to hire these snoops to investigate potential
threats, it's time they earned their keep. And they must do their jobs totally
within the laws and grant all citizens the protections under the Bill of Rights
during their investigations.
The interment of the Japs in California during WWII was the usual knee-jerk,
over the top, over-reaction that happened after 911. Disgusting. There is a
correct way to conduct such in inquiries, why can't we ever seem to accomplish
that correct behavior? Could it again be the head  up the ass syndrome... HUTA?
G

----- Original Message -----
   From: Kevin Cheli-Colando
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:57 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy



   On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:37 AM, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:

   >
   >
   > Not really a fair comparison, I don't think. Did any one every teach me how
   > to spell facetious? The point is, the other categories you mention are not
   > at war with us in bum fuck wherever. Whether we like it or not, and I don't,
   > we are at war with a whole bunch of Muslims who really do want to blow our
   > shit away. So that makes them special. We need to be more careful about them
   > because of that if nothing else. At least I am. If I go to the store and see
   > a rough looking, turban wearing, bearded, robed, stern-faced dude with a
   > camel parked outside, I'm gonna be very cautious and keep my .40 cal Beretta
   > close at hand. If the dude starts shooting folks, I would do my best John
   > Wayne and drop him like an ugly date on prom night. But remember, I am
   > basically a south Austin redneck turned philosopher, so you can't expect
   > much from me.
   >

   Anyone remember the internment camps of world war II? Fear can let us do
   shameful things to others too easily.

   Kevin

   --
   Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
   form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

   - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

   Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org
   Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos

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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:37 AM, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:

>
>
> Not really a fair comparison, I don't think. Did any one every teach me how
> to spell facetious? The point is, the other categories you mention are not
> at war with us in bum fuck wherever. Whether we like it or not, and I don't,
> we are at war with a whole bunch of Muslims who really do want to blow our
> shit away. So that makes them special. We need to be more careful about them
> because of that if nothing else. At least I am. If I go to the store and see
> a rough looking, turban wearing, bearded, robed, stern-faced dude with a
> camel parked outside, I'm gonna be very cautious and keep my .40 cal Beretta
> close at hand. If the dude starts shooting folks, I would do my best John
> Wayne and drop him like an ugly date on prom night. But remember, I am
> basically a south Austin redneck turned philosopher, so you can't expect
> much from me.
>

Anyone remember the internment camps of world war II?  Fear can let us do
shameful things to others too easily.

Kevin

--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos


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--- On Wed, 11/11/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:
I did a Stevian thing today. I spent $20 more on a come-along at Tractor Supply
for an American-made model than on the cheaper one made in China. The only think
I can see that is really top shelf coming out of China is acupuncture, medicine,
and food.

=======
good work george,, and more impressively you had a reason to buy a come-along,,
i recently picked up a piano sound board at a friends that had to move out of
his place,, it's just the board and iron frame from a grand, most of the wood
had been removed, these things are darn hefty,, strapping that thing down to get
it up the stairs was a bitch,, but if you are like me, you can spend hours and
hours playing with that thing,,

steve s

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:
Not really a fair comparison, I don't think. Did any one every teach me how to
spell facetious? The point is, the other categories you mention are not at war
with us in bum fuck wherever.
======

they may not be at war with the country, but each of the cases i mentioned have
real ties,, the marilyn manson looking kids have been shown to kill parents,
christian fanatics have killed abortion doctors and so on,, the reason i bring
this up is because the followers of islam that i know are more or less the most
peaceful people i know,, personally i'm more afraid of lawyers in expensive
suits and people that iron their shirts

i surely didn't teach anyone to spell anything,, i can be accused of viewing
spelling as a means to keep the weak down,, i get truely baffled when someone
entirely dismisses an arguement simply because the presenter misspelled
something,, or maybe i just feel that way cause my spelling sucks,, remember i
too am a product of the southern public education system,, and damn proud of it

steve s

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:
I think this is a new version of that old, failed bill. But the info I got may
be falsified. I just can't tell anymore. Even snoops is suspect.
The Obama Care bill that passed the house was so full of lies and complex
misinformation that we may never know what was voted in. Apparently the senate
vote might kill it. So here we are back to square one. We obviously need serious
reform of the health care system,
===========

as for the health bill,,, it is more a congress generated bill, the opposition
is labeling it as obamacare cause i guess it's fun and effective to make fun of
his name and focus the criticism on a single person (remember how successful it
was labeling the process in 93 as hilarycare), but this has been a
pelosi/bauchus bill,, the bill as the house passed is almost surely to be
drastically changed, after the senate votes to go to the next step (which is
still an uphill battle) it will have to be arranged in a way that both the house
and senate can vote it once again,, i'm not all too happy about how this played
out, i think obama should have played a bigger roll and focused the bill instead
of having this hodgepodge of this and that all jumbled together to please enough
congress folks,, like george suggests, it keeps the insurance companies in the
drivers seat, that is a big time problem in my book,, obama claims he'd prefer a
single payer system that
  eliminates the insurance companies but he believes we already have a system
entrenched and it will be too difficult to scrap it,,,, if not going for the
gold they should have just posted individual bills addressing the issues on
their own standing, like pre-existing conditions, or being able to carry your
policy with you when you change jobs,, each individually,, i also wonder why the
wyden/bennett bill was summarily dismissed, it focused more on removing the tie
between insurance and employer,,
i sort of think obama has wasted his popularity and grand ability to sell the
public on an issue,, he should have spent the last 9 months pointing out how the
current pay for service/insurance system is drowning us in debt and making a few
very very rich,, instead he just said, i'd like to see this in general and
passed the torch to the congress, at that point you have too many cooks in the
kitchen

steve s

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:
So far, we are talking about a time frame that is included in the set: sometime.
As the winter progresses, I think we will narrow it down some.
G
==========

si se puede

fired up
ready to go

i know you guys love your guns,, but even you have to admit that there are
anti-obama/pro gun groups out there that are more than happy to post false info
in an attempt to stir up their base, in the process collect more money,, the
left does it, the right does it,, there is no doubt that this is not being
considered by the current senate,, and afterall, obama has been on a mission to
prove he is more gun than the next guy for some reason,, he has directed his
attention towards oysters,, i've been silent on this, but it is pissing me off,
if any of you want to rant against big government, this is one issue i'll join
you screaming all the way,,
 
speaking of world government,, dana milbank had a piece playing on that theme in
the post this morning

One World Government? Globe may not be big enough.













 




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By Dana MilbankWednesday, November 11, 2009


The New World Order came into being at 4:25 Tuesday afternoon.

It arrived at the Capitol, until that moment the seat of American government, in
the form of the stooped and bespectacled figure of Ban Ki-moon, who as U.N.
secretary general is the de facto leader of what conspiracy theorists call the
One World Government. One floor beneath the Senate chamber, Ban, a South Korean
national, took his place behind a lectern bearing the Senate seal and spelled
out his demands.
"I would certainly expect the Senate to take the necessary action; that's what I
have encouraged the senators," he told reporters as a trio of lawmakers stood at
his side. He added an admonition for the chamber to deliver "as soon as
possible."
The One World Government has specific requirements, Ban added, namely a "legally
binding" commitment to "25 to 40 percent greenhouse gas reduction . . . as
recommended by the IPCC, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change."
Uh-oh. A U.N. official standing in the Capitol telling U.S. lawmakers what
binding commitments intergovernmental authorities expect from them? Glenn Beck
was going to burst a blood vessel.
But the man who orchestrated this putsch by the New World Order, Senate Foreign
Relations Chairman John Kerry (D-Switzerland), did not appear concerned by the
imagery. He called the secretary general "Your Excellency." Sen. Richard Lugar
of Indiana (a Republican, but he drives a Prius) was equally deferential as he
spoke of "the privilege of this distinguished visitor."
And Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) hailed Ban for "the accelerated leadership
role" that the United Nations has taken. "Your vision, that in Copenhagen there
can be a politically binding agreement that will lead to a legally binding
agreement to follow . . . is a very reasonable, sensible and hopeful course."
Somewhere in Manhattan, Sean Hannity was tearing up his script for the night's
broadcast.



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Kerry invited Ban to lecture the Foreign Relations Committee, but it's not clear
what the chairman hoped to gain from the photos of him standing with Ban in the
Capitol's Brumidi Corridors. Indeed, it seemed quite possible that a U.N.
endorsement of Kerry's climate efforts would embolden its foes, who like the
world body even less than they like cap-and-trade. In the pantheon of conspiracy
theories, the United Nations is right up there with the Illuminati, the
Trilateral Commission, the Federal Reserve and the Council on Foreign Relations
-- which, as it happens, Kerry addressed a couple of weeks ago.
Even Americans who don't come from the grassy-knoll tradition tend not to regard
the United Nations with great confidence. A Gallup poll earlier this year found
that 65 percent of respondents thought it was doing a bad job, compared with 26
percent who think it is doing a good job. Ban himself is not terribly nefarious,
if only because he is unknown. A Wall Street Journal poll found that 81 percent
of those surveyed didn't know who he was. The others may have confused him with
the Unification Church's Rev. Sun Myung Moon.
Ban's profile could become much higher, and not in a good way, if Americans
start to perceive him as meddling in Senate consideration of climate
legislation. Even before he stormed the Capitol, Fox News was drawing a
connection between global warming talks in Copenhagen next month and One World
Government.
"America, if you believe this country is great but you're not really into that
whole One World Government thing, watch out," Fox News Channel's Beck warned a
couple of weeks ago. His guest, Lord Christopher Monckton of Britain, told Beck
that "at Copenhagen, a treaty will be signed that will, for the first time,
create a world government with powers to intervene directly in the economy and
in the environmental affairs of individual nations." Earlier on Fox News, Dick
Morris informed Hannity that President Obama "believes in One World Government."
And author Jerome Corsi went on Hannity's show to warn about a One World
Government in which "our sovereignty would be subject to the dictates" of the
United Nations and other international organizations.
The One World Government was on open display at the Capitol on Tuesday, as
international U.N. staffers waited outside the room where Ban spoke to the
senators. The secretary general had come with his own world government (armed?)
security detail, who stood alongside the Capitol police.
Ban, wearing a gold U.N. lapel pin, unfolded his speech. "Less than a month from
now, the leaders of the world will gather in Copenhagen," he said. "They must
conclude a robust global agreement," that is "comprehensive, binding, equitable
and fair."
Speaking softly but firmly, the South Korean cautioned the Americans that "the
world is not standing still," and that "all the eyes of the world are looking to
the United States."
After a few minutes, Kerry cut off questioning. "Folks, the secretary general
has to get to the airport."
Ban needed to catch the U.S. Airways shuttle to New York. The One World
Government Air Force isn't what it's cracked up to be.



--- On Wed, 11/11/09, jon mckim <syzygy.606@...> wrote:


From: jon mckim <syzygy.606@...>
Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:35 PM


 



> But maybe the information I got was falsified. I really can't tell anymore,
even snoops is suspect.
>


Only way we can ever be "sure" is to read the bills as they are posted on the
Congress website.

That's assuming you have time, patience, and the wherewithal to digest and make
sense of the legalese they usually write them in.

That's also assuming that the sometimes 1000-plus page bills are posted there
long enough before they do their 11:30-PM vote on a Saturday night, like the
House did with the Health Care bill last week.
Bastards.

Jon


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "George Kinney" <kinney777@gmail. com>
To: <G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com>
Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:05:48 -0600

No, but it is a new version of that old, failed bill...I think. But maybe the
information I got was falsified. I really can't tell anymore, even snoops is
suspect.

G
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve S
To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment

isn't this some old failed bill from like 10 years ago,, and not actually
happening
http://www.senate. gov/reference/ common/faq/ SB2099.shtml

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, George Kinney <kinney777@gmail. com> wrote:

From: George Kinney <kinney777@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:21 AM

Have you heard? The 2010 income tax form, good ol' all around favorite, 1040,
will require anyone owning firearms to list them, their value, serial numbers,
location in the house, and pay a tax on ownership. Also, the next level, HR 45,
being considered in congress, will make anyone owning a firearm submit to
fingerprinting, a fee per firearm, a medical evaluation at the time and place
selected by the IRS, and other repressive provisions that are in the works.
The income tax part was slipped through committee and signed off on by Obama
without a vote being cast for or against by either house of congress. It was
falsely spun as a minor IRS adjustment. How can this happen? I know I am in the
minority on this list when it comes to 2nd Amendment rights, but where goes one
right, others will follow...down the shitter in this case. Kiloh and others say
don't worry about this, that there are much bigger fish to fry. I vehemently
disagree. Once our rights to the protection of ourselves, our families, and our
communities from all aggressors, including a repressive government, are taken
from us, we will literally have no stick with which to fight back. Even though I
do not think it will ever come to an actual shooting revolution, the threat of
it, as in the cold war, acts as a detente against unfettered repression of the
populace. I wish you all agreed with me, but alas, that is a rather unrealistic
hope. I know most of
you are very intelligent and caring folks, but I must warn you in no uncertain
terms to watch out for this president; he is as dangerous as the last one.
He has sold out the health care reform movement, caving to the insurance
companies and pharmaceuticals without even a serious fight.
We are still engaged in two terrible, unwinnable wars with no real plan to get
out.
Our personal liberties are constantly in peril in the wake of the new "world
community" and the establishment of a global economy based on the greed and
power lust of an international financial oligarchy.
On and on. And, in the midst of all this, we are being quietly disarmed, just
like the citizens of Germany prior to Hitler's take over back in the 1930's. You
can disagree with my ideas or solutions, of course, but at least see the gravity
of the situation and come up with solutions that might work.
G

----- Original Message -----
From: jon mckim
To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy

Well, I do think at least two things show that he made a personal shift into the
jihad mindset independently, when he wrote his thing comparing suicide bombers
to soldiers falling on grenades to save others; and when he yelled that
particular Muslim saying when he opened fire. It's not yet proven he was the one
who yelled it they say, but who can we suppose it was? I guess he could have
said it as like an "Oh shit, please save my ass after I do this," but I don't
think so. Whether he was in any kind of contact with other jihadists is not
important. That he chose to personally wage jihad is what is being suspected as
I read it. That's bad enough.
J

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Russ Kinter" <pyth7@verizon. net>

All these Ahs are agree to the obvious without digging further down.
They seem to imply it was part of a conspiracy for holy-war when other facts
relevant to the assassin show it isn't.

tc
Russ Kinter

> -----Original Message-----
> From: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com [mailto:G_Dawn@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
> jon mckim
>
> A-three'd.
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: wayne hawes <dhawes2002@ yahoo. com>
>
>
> Agreed.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Roky S <rokysyd11@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
> I find that he wore traditional Muslim dress as significant. He was about
> to do his Jihad.
>

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http://georgekinney .com

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woo-hoo!

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "George Kinney" <kinney777@...>


So far, we are talking about a time frame that is included in the set: sometime.
As the winter progresses, I think we will narrow it down some.
G
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Steve S

  i agree,, surely have at least one, hopefully more house shows
  get a full dose of kinney that way

  --- On Tue, 11/10/09, jon mckim <syzygy.606@...> wrote:


  I don't think I saw the message, but that would be fantastic.
  And, yes I do, and so I will... When exactly are we talking about?

  ---------- Original Message ----------
  From: "George Kinney" <kinney777@gmail. com>

  Hey Jon, did you read Steve's message to me about this spring? If it can be
arranged for me to come out, I want you to have a home session at your house
again if possible. That was about my favorite gig last time. Do you still play
music with the lovely Jeanie? I still sing "That Song" from time to time. Make
sure she and her husband are invited if we put together a gig at your digs.
  G


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>  But maybe the information I got was falsified. I really can't tell anymore,
even snoops is suspect.
>


Only way we can ever be "sure" is to read the bills as they are posted on the
Congress website.

That's assuming you have time, patience, and the wherewithal to digest and make
sense of the legalese they usually write them in.

That's also assuming that the sometimes 1000-plus page bills are posted there
long enough before they do their 11:30-PM vote on a Saturday night, like the
House did with the Health Care bill last week.
Bastards.

Jon


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "George Kinney" <kinney777@...>
To: <G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of  the  End of the 2nd Ammendment
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:05:48 -0600

No, but it is a new version of that old, failed bill...I think.  But maybe the
information I got was falsified. I really can't tell anymore, even snoops is
suspect.

G
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Steve S
  To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment



  isn't this some old failed bill from like 10 years ago,, and not actually
happening
  http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/SB2099.shtml

  --- On Tue, 11/10/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:

  From: George Kinney <kinney777@...>
  Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
  To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
  Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:21 AM



  Have you heard? The 2010 income tax form, good ol' all around favorite, 1040,
will require anyone owning firearms to list them, their value, serial numbers,
location in the house, and pay a tax on ownership. Also, the next level, HR 45,
being considered in congress, will make anyone owning a firearm submit to
fingerprinting, a fee per firearm, a medical evaluation at the time and place
selected by the IRS, and other repressive provisions that are in the works.
  The income tax part was slipped through committee and signed off on by Obama
without a vote being cast for or against by either house of congress. It was
falsely spun as a minor IRS adjustment. How can this happen? I know I am in the
minority on this list when it comes to 2nd Amendment rights, but where goes one
right, others will follow...down the shitter in this case. Kiloh and others say
don't worry about this, that there are much bigger fish to fry. I vehemently
disagree. Once our rights to the protection of ourselves, our families, and our
communities from all aggressors, including a repressive government, are taken
from us, we will literally have no stick with which to fight back. Even though I
do not think it will ever come to an actual shooting revolution, the threat of
it, as in the cold war, acts as a detente against unfettered repression of the
populace. I wish you all agreed with me, but alas, that is a rather unrealistic
hope. I know most of
  you are very intelligent and caring folks, but I must warn you in no uncertain
terms to watch out for this president; he is as dangerous as the last one.
  He has sold out the health care reform movement, caving to the insurance
companies and pharmaceuticals without even a serious fight.
  We are still engaged in two terrible, unwinnable wars with no real plan to get
out.
  Our personal liberties are constantly in peril in the wake of the new "world
community" and the establishment of a global economy based on the greed and
power lust of an international financial oligarchy.
  On and on. And, in the midst of all this, we are being quietly disarmed, just
like the citizens of Germany prior to Hitler's take over back in the 1930's. You
can disagree with my ideas or solutions, of course, but at least see the gravity
of the situation and come up with solutions that might work.
  G

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: jon mckim
  To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
  Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:00 PM
  Subject: RE: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy

  Well, I do think at least two things show that he made a personal shift into
the jihad mindset independently, when he wrote his thing comparing suicide
bombers to soldiers falling on grenades to save others; and when he yelled that
particular Muslim saying when he opened fire. It's not yet proven he was the one
who yelled it they say, but who can we suppose it was? I guess he could have
said it as like an "Oh shit, please save my ass after I do this," but I don't
think so. Whether he was in any kind of contact with other jihadists is not
important. That he chose to personally wage jihad is what is being suspected as
I read it. That's bad enough.
  J

  ---------- Original Message ----------
  From: "Russ Kinter" <pyth7@verizon. net>

  All these Ahs are agree to the obvious without digging further down.
  They seem to imply it was part of a conspiracy for holy-war when other facts
  relevant to the assassin show it isn't.

  tc
  Russ Kinter

  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com [mailto:G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
  > jon mckim
  >
  > A-three'd.
  >
  >
  > ---------- Original Message ----------
  > From: wayne hawes <dhawes2002@yahoo. com>
  >
  >
  > Agreed.
  >
  >
  > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Roky S <rokysyd11@yahoo. com> wrote:
  >
  >
  > I find that he wore traditional Muslim dress as significant. He was about
  > to do his Jihad.
  >

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No, but it is a new version of that old, failed bill...I think.  But maybe the
information I got was falsified. I really can't tell anymore, even snoops is
suspect.

G
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Steve S
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:33 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment



   isn't this some old failed bill from like 10 years ago,, and not actually
happening
   http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/SB2099.shtml

   --- On Tue, 11/10/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:

   From: George Kinney <kinney777@...>
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:21 AM



   Have you heard? The 2010 income tax form, good ol' all around favorite, 1040,
will require anyone owning firearms to list them, their value, serial numbers,
location in the house, and pay a tax on ownership. Also, the next level, HR 45,
being considered in congress, will make anyone owning a firearm submit to
fingerprinting, a fee per firearm, a medical evaluation at the time and place
selected by the IRS, and other repressive provisions that are in the works.
   The income tax part was slipped through committee and signed off on by Obama
without a vote being cast for or against by either house of congress. It was
falsely spun as a minor IRS adjustment. How can this happen? I know I am in the
minority on this list when it comes to 2nd Amendment rights, but where goes one
right, others will follow...down the shitter in this case. Kiloh and others say
don't worry about this, that there are much bigger fish to fry. I vehemently
disagree. Once our rights to the protection of ourselves, our families, and our
communities from all aggressors, including a repressive government, are taken
from us, we will literally have no stick with which to fight back. Even though I
do not think it will ever come to an actual shooting revolution, the threat of
it, as in the cold war, acts as a detente against unfettered repression of the
populace. I wish you all agreed with me, but alas, that is a rather unrealistic
hope. I know most of
   you are very intelligent and caring folks, but I must warn you in no uncertain
terms to watch out for this president; he is as dangerous as the last one.
   He has sold out the health care reform movement, caving to the insurance
companies and pharmaceuticals without even a serious fight.
   We are still engaged in two terrible, unwinnable wars with no real plan to get
out.
   Our personal liberties are constantly in peril in the wake of the new "world
community" and the establishment of a global economy based on the greed and
power lust of an international financial oligarchy.
   On and on. And, in the midst of all this, we are being quietly disarmed, just
like the citizens of Germany prior to Hitler's take over back in the 1930's. You
can disagree with my ideas or solutions, of course, but at least see the gravity
of the situation and come up with solutions that might work.
   G

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jon mckim
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
   Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:00 PM
   Subject: RE: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy

   Well, I do think at least two things show that he made a personal shift into
the jihad mindset independently, when he wrote his thing comparing suicide
bombers to soldiers falling on grenades to save others; and when he yelled that
particular Muslim saying when he opened fire. It's not yet proven he was the one
who yelled it they say, but who can we suppose it was? I guess he could have
said it as like an "Oh shit, please save my ass after I do this," but I don't
think so. Whether he was in any kind of contact with other jihadists is not
important. That he chose to personally wage jihad is what is being suspected as
I read it. That's bad enough.
   J

   ---------- Original Message ----------
   From: "Russ Kinter" <pyth7@verizon. net>

   All these Ahs are agree to the obvious without digging further down.
   They seem to imply it was part of a conspiracy for holy-war when other facts
   relevant to the assassin show it isn't.

   tc
   Russ Kinter

   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com [mailto:G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
   > jon mckim
   >
   > A-three'd.
   >
   >
   > ---------- Original Message ----------
   > From: wayne hawes <dhawes2002@yahoo. com>
   >
   >
   > Agreed.
   >
   >
   > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Roky S <rokysyd11@yahoo. com> wrote:
   >
   >
   > I find that he wore traditional Muslim dress as significant. He was about
   > to do his Jihad.
   >

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I am so sorry. I have looked and looked and I think Steve S is correct in his
suggestion that the  tax warning I sent out is not  really as imminent as I
previously reported. I will be more careful from now on, I promise.
G
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Steve S
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:49 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy



   so everyone that wears this sort of clothing is out to foist jihad on
someone,, i'll assume if i see folks in that typical christian clothing they are
about to kill an abortion doctor,, how many people wear this stuff daily and
never do anything violent,, or next time i see someone in fatigues i'll call the
cops,, they are obviously about to try to bring down the usa
   don't get me started on all those kids that wear black and how they all, each
and every single one of them, is out to kill their friends parents while they
sleep,, it's all obvious right,,

   steve s

   --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Bill McCarter <billmccarter99@...> wrote:

   From: Bill McCarter <billmccarter99@...>
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:21 PM



   a ford.

   ____________ _________ _________ __
   From: jon mckim <syzygy.606@gmail. com>
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
   Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 9:01:23 AM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy

   A-three'd.

   ---------- Original Message ----------
   From: wayne hawes <dhawes2002@yahoo. com>

   Agreed.

   --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Roky S <rokysyd11@yahoo. com> wrote:

   I find that he wore traditional Muslim dress as significant. He was about to
do his Jihad.

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

   ------------ --------- --------- ------

   Check out George Kinney's Web site here:
   http://georgekinney .com

   Check out a cool Internet radio station here. It's all Psych and Blues:
   http://launch. yahoo.com/ lc/?rt=0& rp1=0&rp2= 1453797336Yahoo! Groups Links

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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So far, we are talking about a time frame that is included in the set: sometime.
As the winter progresses, I think we will narrow it down some.
G
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Steve S
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:26 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] Fort Hood tragedy - Achmed the Dead Terrorist....



   i agree,, surely have at least one, hopefully more house shows
   get a full dose of kinney that way

   --- On Tue, 11/10/09, jon mckim <syzygy.606@...> wrote:

   From: jon mckim <syzygy.606@...>
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] Fort Hood tragedy - Achmed the Dead Terrorist....
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 11:33 AM



   I don't think I saw the message, but that would be fantastic.
   And, yes I do, and so I will... When exactly are we talking about?

   ---------- Original Message ----------
   From: "George Kinney" <kinney777@gmail. com>

   Hey Jon, did you read Steve's message to me about this spring? If it can be
arranged for me to come out, I want you to have a home session at your house
again if possible. That was about my favorite gig last time. Do you still play
music with the lovely Jeanie? I still sing "That Song" from time to time. Make
sure she and her husband are invited if we put together a gig at your digs.
   G

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I think this is a new version of that old, failed bill. But the info I got may
be falsified. I just can't tell anymore. Even snoops is suspect.
  The Obama Care bill that passed the  house was so full of lies and complex
misinformation that we may never know what was voted in. Apparently the senate
vote might kill it. So here we are back to  square one. We obviously need
serious reform of the health care system, but all the baggage the current bill 
brings with  it  makes it unpalatable and leaves the insurance companies in the 
drivers seat. I just can't see these monkeyshitmotherfuckers turning loose of
their power peacefully. Who would? We have to take it from them and shove it up
their ass. They are such butt-hole buddies with  the pharmaceuticals, they outta
have plenty of Vaseline handy. Let 'em use it on themselves for a change.
G
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Steve S
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:33 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment



   isn't this some old failed bill from like 10 years ago,, and not actually
happening
   http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/SB2099.shtml

   --- On Tue, 11/10/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:

   From: George Kinney <kinney777@...>
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:21 AM



   Have you heard? The 2010 income tax form, good ol' all around favorite, 1040,
will require anyone owning firearms to list them, their value, serial numbers,
location in the house, and pay a tax on ownership. Also, the next level, HR 45,
being considered in congress, will make anyone owning a firearm submit to
fingerprinting, a fee per firearm, a medical evaluation at the time and place
selected by the IRS, and other repressive provisions that are in the works.
   The income tax part was slipped through committee and signed off on by Obama
without a vote being cast for or against by either house of congress. It was
falsely spun as a minor IRS adjustment. How can this happen? I know I am in the
minority on this list when it comes to 2nd Amendment rights, but where goes one
right, others will follow...down the shitter in this case. Kiloh and others say
don't worry about this, that there are much bigger fish to fry. I vehemently
disagree. Once our rights to the protection of ourselves, our families, and our
communities from all aggressors, including a repressive government, are taken
from us, we will literally have no stick with which to fight back. Even though I
do not think it will ever come to an actual shooting revolution, the threat of
it, as in the cold war, acts as a detente against unfettered repression of the
populace. I wish you all agreed with me, but alas, that is a rather unrealistic
hope. I know most of
   you are very intelligent and caring folks, but I must warn you in no uncertain
terms to watch out for this president; he is as dangerous as the last one.
   He has sold out the health care reform movement, caving to the insurance
companies and pharmaceuticals without even a serious fight.
   We are still engaged in two terrible, unwinnable wars with no real plan to get
out.
   Our personal liberties are constantly in peril in the wake of the new "world
community" and the establishment of a global economy based on the greed and
power lust of an international financial oligarchy.
   On and on. And, in the midst of all this, we are being quietly disarmed, just
like the citizens of Germany prior to Hitler's take over back in the 1930's. You
can disagree with my ideas or solutions, of course, but at least see the gravity
of the situation and come up with solutions that might work.
   G

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jon mckim
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
   Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:00 PM
   Subject: RE: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy

   Well, I do think at least two things show that he made a personal shift into
the jihad mindset independently, when he wrote his thing comparing suicide
bombers to soldiers falling on grenades to save others; and when he yelled that
particular Muslim saying when he opened fire. It's not yet proven he was the one
who yelled it they say, but who can we suppose it was? I guess he could have
said it as like an "Oh shit, please save my ass after I do this," but I don't
think so. Whether he was in any kind of contact with other jihadists is not
important. That he chose to personally wage jihad is what is being suspected as
I read it. That's bad enough.
   J

   ---------- Original Message ----------
   From: "Russ Kinter" <pyth7@verizon. net>

   All these Ahs are agree to the obvious without digging further down.
   They seem to imply it was part of a conspiracy for holy-war when other facts
   relevant to the assassin show it isn't.

   tc
   Russ Kinter

   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com [mailto:G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
   > jon mckim
   >
   > A-three'd.
   >
   >
   > ---------- Original Message ----------
   > From: wayne hawes <dhawes2002@yahoo. com>
   >
   >
   > Agreed.
   >
   >
   > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Roky S <rokysyd11@yahoo. com> wrote:
   >
   >
   > I find that he wore traditional Muslim dress as significant. He was about
   > to do his Jihad.
   >

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Not really a fair comparison, I don't think. Did any one every teach me how to
spell facetious? The point is, the other  categories  you mention are not at war
with us in bum fuck wherever. Whether we like it or not, and I don't, we are at
war with  a whole bunch of Muslims who really do want to  blow our  shit  away.
So that makes them special. We need to be more careful about them because of
that if nothing else. At least I am. If I go to the store and see a rough
looking, turban wearing, bearded, robed, stern-faced dude with a camel parked
outside, I'm gonna be very cautious and keep my .40 cal Beretta close at hand.
If the dude starts shooting folks, I would do my best John Wayne and drop him
like an ugly date on prom night. But remember, I am basically a south Austin
redneck turned philosopher, so you can't expect much from me.
G


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Steve S
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:49 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy



   so everyone that wears this sort of clothing is out to foist jihad on
someone,, i'll assume if i see folks in that typical christian clothing they are
about to kill an abortion doctor,, how many people wear this stuff daily and
never do anything violent,, or next time i see someone in fatigues i'll call the
cops,, they are obviously about to try to bring down the usa
   don't get me started on all those kids that wear black and how they all, each
and every single one of them, is out to kill their friends parents while they
sleep,, it's all obvious right,,

   steve s

   --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Bill McCarter <billmccarter99@...> wrote:

   From: Bill McCarter <billmccarter99@...>
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:21 PM



   a ford.

   ____________ _________ _________ __
   From: jon mckim <syzygy.606@gmail. com>
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
   Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 9:01:23 AM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy

   A-three'd.

   ---------- Original Message ----------
   From: wayne hawes <dhawes2002@yahoo. com>

   Agreed.

   --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Roky S <rokysyd11@yahoo. com> wrote:

   I find that he wore traditional Muslim dress as significant. He was about to
do his Jihad.

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

   ------------ --------- --------- ------

   Check out George Kinney's Web site here:
   http://georgekinney .com

   Check out a cool Internet radio station here. It's all Psych and Blues:
   http://launch. yahoo.com/ lc/?rt=0& rp1=0&rp2= 1453797336Yahoo! Groups Links

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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I did a Stevian thing today. I spent $20 more on a come-along at Tractor Supply
for an American-made model than on the cheaper one made in China. The only think
I can see that is really top shelf coming out of China is acupuncture, medicine,
and food.

G
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Steve S
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:54 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy




   --- On Sat, 11/7/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:
   You may have gone shopping in your slippers, but did you then attack a US
military post and kill people, yelling "pink slippers forever?"
   G
   ==============

   nope and the only reason it didn't is because i wasn't armed (just kidding
yall,, i'm a happy drunk)

   steve s





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yep, we are definitely on the same page on this stuff. It may be time to rally
at the Kinney Farm and all meet face to face and make a new plan. It may be time
to circle the wagons.
Thanks for your input, as always.

G


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Rev. Boogie Chill
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:02 PM
   Subject: [G_Dawn] Re: The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment (&Much
Else)



   I have seen some references to the IRS taxing, tracking, & controlling
firearms. I wasn't sure yet if anything is really happening with that. I must
say I see the light, I totally agree with your statements here, the founders of
this country intended for the populace to be able to stand up for itself, & what
has been happening in the USA (most noticeably) since 2001 is way too much like
Germany in the 1930s, there is no doubt in my mind we are on that sort of path.
I wish we could just leave & start something good in a better place.

   What you said about Obama being as dangerous as the last president (or Cheney,
as the case may be)- is right on the money. Before he got {s}elected, he was
doing things that warded me off from even thinking of voting for him. There was
the betrayal on the FISA issue, then there was the big bailout, which he totally
supported even though the Bush administration started it (& looking at who is on
his team is tell tale also), he changed his mind about getting out of the
illegal wars, & as you say, he has sold us out on the healthcare issue. He is a
New World Order player, as Bush was. The 2 party system in this country has
degenerated into a bait & switch tactic for the elites to keep the masses
confused, when you look at the results of what happens & who ultimately
benefits, it's the same pile of feces to the greater majority of us. *WE* lose.

   Cheers,
   B.V.

   %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

   --- In G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com, "George Kinney" <kinney777@...> wrote:
   >
   > Have you heard? The 2010 income tax form, good ol' all around favorite,
1040, will require anyone owning firearms to list them, their value, serial
numbers, location in the house, and pay a tax on ownership. Also, the next
level, HR 45, being considered in congress, will make anyone owning a firearm
submit to fingerprinting, a fee per firearm, a medical evaluation at the time
and place selected by the IRS, and other repressive provisions that are in the
works.
   > The income tax part was slipped through committee and signed off on by Obama
without a vote being cast for or against by either house of congress. It was
falsely spun as a minor IRS adjustment. How can this happen? I know I am in the
minority on this list when it comes to 2nd Amendment rights, but where goes one
right, others will follow...down the shitter in this case. Kiloh and others say
don't worry about this, that there are much bigger fish to fry. I vehemently
disagree. Once our rights to the protection of ourselves, our families, and our
communities from all aggressors, including a repressive government, are taken
from us, we will literally have no stick with which to fight back. Even though I
do not think it will ever come to an actual shooting revolution, the threat of
it, as in the cold war, acts as a detente against unfettered repression of the
populace. I wish you all agreed with me, but alas, that is a rather unrealistic
hope. I know most of you are very intelligent and caring folks, but I must warn
you in no uncertain terms to watch out for this president; he is as dangerous as
the last one.
   > He has sold out the health care reform movement, caving to the insurance
companies and pharmaceuticals without even a serious fight.
   > We are still engaged in two terrible, unwinnable wars with no real plan to
get out.
   > Our personal liberties are constantly in peril in the wake of the new "world
community" and the establishment of a global economy based on the greed and
power lust of an international financial oligarchy.
   > On and on. And, in the midst of all this, we are being quietly disarmed,
just like the citizens of Germany prior to Hitler's take over back in the
1930's. You can disagree with my ideas or solutions, of course, but at least see
the gravity of the situation and come up with solutions that might work.
   > G
   >
   >
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: jon mckim
   > To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   > Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:00 PM
   > Subject: RE: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy
   >
   >
   >
   > Well, I do think at least two things show that he made a personal shift into
the jihad mindset independently, when he wrote his thing comparing suicide
bombers to soldiers falling on grenades to save others; and when he yelled that
particular Muslim saying when he opened fire. It's not yet proven he was the one
who yelled it they say, but who can we suppose it was? I guess he could have
said it as like an "Oh shit, please save my ass after I do this," but I don't
think so. Whether he was in any kind of contact with other jihadists is not
important. That he chose to personally wage jihad is what is being suspected as
I read it. That's bad enough.
   > J
   >
   >
   > ---------- Original Message ----------
   > From: "Russ Kinter" <pyth7@...>
   >
   > All these Ahs are agree to the obvious without digging further down.
   > They seem to imply it was part of a conspiracy for holy-war when other facts
   > relevant to the assassin show it isn't.
   >
   > tc
   > Russ Kinter
   >
   > > -----Original Message-----
   > > From: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com [mailto:G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
   > > jon mckim
   > >
   > > A-three'd.
   > >
   > >
   > > ---------- Original Message ----------
   > > From: wayne hawes <dhawes2002@...>
   > >
   > >
   > > Agreed.
   > >
   > >
   > > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Roky S <rokysyd11@...> wrote:
   > >
   > >
   > > I find that he wore traditional Muslim dress as significant. He was about
   > > to do his Jihad.
   > >
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have seen some references to the IRS taxing, tracking, & controlling
firearms. I wasn't sure yet if anything is really happening with that. I must
say I see the light, I totally agree with your statements here, the founders of
this country intended for the populace to be able to stand up for itself, & what
has been happening in the USA (most noticeably) since 2001 is way too much like
Germany in the 1930s, there is no doubt in my mind we are on that sort of path.
I wish we could just leave & start something good in a better place.

    What you said about Obama being as dangerous as the last president (or
Cheney, as the case may be)- is right on the money. Before he got {s}elected, he
was doing things that warded me off from even thinking of voting for him. There
was the betrayal on the FISA issue, then there was the big bailout, which he
totally supported even though the Bush administration started it (& looking at
who is on his team is tell tale also), he changed his mind about getting out of
the illegal wars, & as you say, he has sold us out on the healthcare issue. He
is a New World Order player, as Bush was. The 2 party system in this country has
degenerated into a bait & switch tactic for the elites to keep the masses
confused, when you look at the results of what happens & who ultimately
benefits, it's the same pile of feces to the greater majority of us. *WE* lose.

Cheers,
        B.V.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

--- In G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com, "George Kinney" <kinney777@...> wrote:
>
> Have you heard? The 2010 income tax form, good ol' all around favorite, 1040,
will require anyone  owning firearms to list them, their value, serial numbers,
location in the  house, and pay a tax on ownership. Also, the next level, HR 45,
being considered in congress, will make anyone owning a firearm submit to
fingerprinting, a fee per firearm, a medical evaluation at the time and place
selected by the IRS, and other repressive provisions that are in the works.
> The income tax part was slipped through committee and signed off on by Obama
without a vote being cast for or against by either house of congress. It was
falsely spun as a minor IRS adjustment. How can this happen? I know I am in the 
minority on this list when it comes to 2nd Amendment rights, but where goes one
right, others  will follow...down the shitter in this case. Kiloh and others say
don't worry about this, that there are much bigger fish to fry. I vehemently
disagree. Once our rights to the protection  of ourselves, our families, and our
communities from all aggressors, including a repressive government, are taken
from us, we will literally have no stick with which  to fight back. Even though
I do not  think it will  ever come to an actual shooting revolution, the threat
of it, as in the  cold war, acts as a detente against unfettered repression of
the populace.  I wish you all agreed with me, but  alas, that is a rather
unrealistic hope. I know most of you are very intelligent and caring folks, but
I must warn you in no uncertain  terms to watch out for this president; he is as
dangerous as the last one.
> He has sold out the health care reform movement, caving to the insurance
companies and pharmaceuticals without even a serious fight.
> We are still engaged in two terrible, unwinnable wars with no real plan to get
out.
> Our personal liberties are constantly in peril in the wake of the new "world
community" and the establishment of a global economy based on the greed and
power lust of an international financial oligarchy.
> On and on. And, in the midst of all this, we are being quietly disarmed, just
like the citizens of Germany prior to Hitler's take over back in the 1930's. You
can disagree with my ideas or solutions, of course, but at least see the gravity
of the situation and come up with solutions that might work.
> G
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: jon mckim
>   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:00 PM
>   Subject: RE: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy
>
>
>
>   Well, I do think at least two things show that he made a personal shift into
the jihad mindset independently, when he wrote his thing comparing suicide
bombers to soldiers falling on grenades to save others; and when he yelled that
particular Muslim saying when he opened fire. It's not yet proven he was the one
who yelled it they say, but who can we suppose it was? I guess he could have
said it as like an "Oh shit, please save my ass after I do this," but I don't
think so. Whether he was in any kind of contact with other jihadists is not
important. That he chose to personally wage jihad is what is being suspected as
I read it. That's bad enough.
>   J
>
>
>   ---------- Original Message ----------
>   From: "Russ Kinter" <pyth7@...>
>
>   All these Ahs are agree to the obvious without digging further down.
>   They seem to imply it was part of a conspiracy for holy-war when other facts
>   relevant to the assassin show it isn't.
>
>   tc
>   Russ Kinter
>
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com [mailto:G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>   > jon mckim
>   >
>   > A-three'd.
>   >
>   >
>   > ---------- Original Message ----------
>   > From: wayne hawes <dhawes2002@...>
>   >
>   >
>   > Agreed.
>   >
>   >
>   > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Roky S <rokysyd11@...> wrote:
>   >
>   >
>   > I find that he wore traditional Muslim dress as significant. He was about
>   > to do his Jihad.
>   >
>
>   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Targets too expensive, Ill wait until they hit the local Wal-Mart

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Steve S <weencock@...> wrote:

From: Steve S <weencock@...>
Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy
To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:52 PM







 











--- On Sat, 11/7/09, william miller <william5013@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:



I'm gonna buy a turban and spray paint "Fuck All Religions" on it and wear it to
the mall, just wearing boxers and a Bad Religion T Shirt



============



i think they are selling these at target



steve s






















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:
You may have gone shopping in your slippers, but did you then attack a US
military post and kill people, yelling "pink slippers forever?"
G
==============

nope and the only reason it didn't is because i wasn't armed (just kidding
yall,, i'm a happy drunk)

steve s

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, william miller <william5013@...> wrote:


I'm gonna buy a turban and spray paint "Fuck All Religions" on it and wear it to
the mall, just wearing boxers and a Bad Religion T Shirt

============

i think they are selling these at target

steve s

so everyone that wears this sort of clothing is out to foist jihad on someone,,
i'll assume if i see folks in that typical christian clothing they are about to
kill an abortion doctor,, how many people wear this stuff daily and never do
anything violent,, or next time i see someone in fatigues i'll call the cops,,
they are obviously about to try to bring down the usa
don't get me started on all those kids that wear black and how they all, each
and every single one of them, is out to kill their friends parents while they
sleep,, it's all obvious right,,
 
steve s

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Bill McCarter <billmccarter99@...> wrote:


From: Bill McCarter <billmccarter99@...>
Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy
To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:21 PM


 



a ford.

____________ _________ _________ __
From: jon mckim <syzygy.606@gmail. com>
To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 9:01:23 AM
Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy

A-three'd.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: wayne hawes <dhawes2002@yahoo. com>

Agreed.

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Roky S <rokysyd11@yahoo. com> wrote:

I find that he wore traditional Muslim dress as significant. He was about to do
his Jihad.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

------------ --------- --------- ------

Check out George Kinney's Web site here:
http://georgekinney .com

Check out a cool Internet radio station here. It's all Psych and Blues:
http://launch. yahoo.com/ lc/?rt=0& rp1=0&rp2= 1453797336Yahoo! Groups Links

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, jon mckim <syzygy.606@...> wrote:
contact with other jihadists is not important. That he chose to personally wage
jihad is what is being suspected as I read it. That's bad enough.
J

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i agree with jon on this,, today the sniper dude is about to be executed, did we
ever really figure out why he did what he was doing,, i still believe we should
not be suprised that insane acts can occur when you have the combination of
ingredients that we find here in this situation,, it's far from the first time a
military person went nuts,, hell it happens in simiple domestic cases, or when
someone gets fired, or if their girlfriend dumps them,, of coarse the push to
sensationalize this and use the event to make whatever point someone is trying
to make will come forward, in any case i believe its another example of someone
snapping,, the pressures build and eventually explode

isn't this some old failed bill from like 10 years ago,, and not actually
happening
http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/SB2099.shtml

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:


From: George Kinney <kinney777@...>
Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:21 AM


 



Have you heard? The 2010 income tax form, good ol' all around favorite, 1040,
will require anyone owning firearms to list them, their value, serial numbers,
location in the house, and pay a tax on ownership. Also, the next level, HR 45,
being considered in congress, will make anyone owning a firearm submit to
fingerprinting, a fee per firearm, a medical evaluation at the time and place
selected by the IRS, and other repressive provisions that are in the works.
The income tax part was slipped through committee and signed off on by Obama
without a vote being cast for or against by either house of congress. It was
falsely spun as a minor IRS adjustment. How can this happen? I know I am in the
minority on this list when it comes to 2nd Amendment rights, but where goes one
right, others will follow...down the shitter in this case. Kiloh and others say
don't worry about this, that there are much bigger fish to fry. I vehemently
disagree. Once our rights to the protection of ourselves, our families, and our
communities from all aggressors, including a repressive government, are taken
from us, we will literally have no stick with which to fight back. Even though I
do not think it will ever come to an actual shooting revolution, the threat of
it, as in the cold war, acts as a detente against unfettered repression of the
populace. I wish you all agreed with me, but alas, that is a rather unrealistic
hope. I know most of
  you are very intelligent and caring folks, but I must warn you in no uncertain
terms to watch out for this president; he is as dangerous as the last one.
He has sold out the health care reform movement, caving to the insurance
companies and pharmaceuticals without even a serious fight.
We are still engaged in two terrible, unwinnable wars with no real plan to get
out.
Our personal liberties are constantly in peril in the wake of the new "world
community" and the establishment of a global economy based on the greed and
power lust of an international financial oligarchy.
On and on. And, in the midst of all this, we are being quietly disarmed, just
like the citizens of Germany prior to Hitler's take over back in the 1930's. You
can disagree with my ideas or solutions, of course, but at least see the gravity
of the situation and come up with solutions that might work.
G

----- Original Message -----
From: jon mckim
To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy

Well, I do think at least two things show that he made a personal shift into the
jihad mindset independently, when he wrote his thing comparing suicide bombers
to soldiers falling on grenades to save others; and when he yelled that
particular Muslim saying when he opened fire. It's not yet proven he was the one
who yelled it they say, but who can we suppose it was? I guess he could have
said it as like an "Oh shit, please save my ass after I do this," but I don't
think so. Whether he was in any kind of contact with other jihadists is not
important. That he chose to personally wage jihad is what is being suspected as
I read it. That's bad enough.
J

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Russ Kinter" <pyth7@verizon. net>

All these Ahs are agree to the obvious without digging further down.
They seem to imply it was part of a conspiracy for holy-war when other facts
relevant to the assassin show it isn't.

tc
Russ Kinter

> -----Original Message-----
> From: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com [mailto:G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
> jon mckim
>
> A-three'd.
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: wayne hawes <dhawes2002@yahoo. com>
>
>
> Agreed.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Roky S <rokysyd11@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
> I find that he wore traditional Muslim dress as significant. He was about
> to do his Jihad.
>

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i agree,, surely have at least one, hopefully more house shows
get a full dose of kinney that way

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, jon mckim <syzygy.606@...> wrote:


From: jon mckim <syzygy.606@...>
Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] Fort Hood tragedy - Achmed the Dead Terrorist....
To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 11:33 AM


 



I don't think I saw the message, but that would be fantastic.
And, yes I do, and so I will... When exactly are we talking about?

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "George Kinney" <kinney777@gmail. com>

Hey Jon, did you read Steve's message to me about this spring? If it can be
arranged for me to come out, I want you to have a home session at your house
again if possible. That was about my favorite gig last time. Do you still play
music with the lovely Jeanie? I still sing "That Song" from time to time. Make
sure she and her husband are invited if we put together a gig at your digs.
G

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I don't think I saw the message, but that would be fantastic.
And, yes I do, and so I will... When exactly are we talking about?

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "George Kinney" <kinney777@...>

Hey Jon, did  you read Steve's message to  me about  this spring? If it can be
arranged for me to come out, I  want you to have a home session at your house
again if possible. That was about my favorite gig last time. Do you still play
music with the lovely Jeanie? I still sing "That Song"  from time to time. Make
sure she and her husband are invited if we put together a gig at your digs.
G


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