> -----Original Message-----
> From: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com [mailto:G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> wayne hawes
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 3:59 PM
> To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the One World Government
>
> By the way, in Lafayette and Redwood City, two small bedroom communities
> in the SF Bay Area, they have mandated centrally controlled "smart"
> thermostats.   They are being installed in homes.
>
> The city council of San Jose is considering this option as well.
>
> Big Brother has arrived.
[Russ Kinter] New homes being built or all existing homes?
>

By the way, in Lafayette and Redwood City, two small bedroom communities in the
SF Bay Area, they have mandated centrally controlled "smart" thermostats.   They
are being installed in homes.
 
The city council of San Jose is considering this option as well.
 
Big Brother has arrived.

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, wayne hawes <dhawes2002@...> wrote:
 
Yeah, we need a central directorate to guide our lifestyle choices.
 
Like ordering the centrally controlled thermostats in our homes to be lowered a
few degrees.
 
And making us wear thicker sweaters in our homes....
 
And if we reach for our cigarettes, the sensors will go off, and the canned
voice will announce that we need to stop smoking....    The canned female voice
will know us by name.
 
D
 
P.S.   By the way, I should mention that certain astrophysicists with NASA say
that there is a warming trend taking place throughout our solar system.    For
some inexplicable reason.





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Yeah, we need a central directorate to guide our lifestyle choices.
 
Like ordering the centrally controlled thermostats in our homes to be lowered a
few degrees.
 
And making us wear thicker sweaters in our homes....
 
And if we reach for our cigarettes, the sensors will go off, and the canned
voice will announce that we need to stop smoking....    The canned female voice
will know us by name.
 
D
 
P.S.   By the way, I should mention that certain astrophysicists with NASA say
that there is a warming trend taking place throughout our solar system.    For
some inexplicable reason.
 
So THAT has nothing to do with greenhouse gas emissions.

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, jon mckim <syzygy.606@...> wrote:
 
> The New World Order came into being at 4:25 Tuesday afternoon. >


But fortunately (and a little amazingly to me) Hilary is saying she doesn't
think it's gonna happen.
Yet. [Jon]






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--- On Thu, 11/12/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:
I think you are right about being innocent until proven guilty. I'm not for
putting a general tag on Muslims that degrade their status as US citizens in any
way. I just think that we should be particularly careful about Muslims in
positions that could compromise our security, since we are currently at war with
many of their brethren.
..........
enforcement officials are just the same. Oh, no...we're back to the argument
that nothing can further without people being better people. Oh, no it means
psychological evolution is going to have to come about. Oh, no...we're gonna
have to redefine ourselves if we wish to ......
G
============
funny how we always get back to that trap,, this is why i argue against the
sanctity of static documents like the constitution or the bill of rights,, as
you refer to, this dude had protections under those documents that most all
americans love to cherish and wave when it suits their purposes,, a guy i used
to go watch play music a lot years back is now a reported that covers military
issues,, he makes a lot of sense, he is now reporting for salon, his name is
mark benjamin,, he spends most all of his time hanging around places like
arlington and walter reed, (he actually reported the walter reed story long
before dana priest who gets all the credit),, he was recently on laura
ingraham's show, it ended with him hanging up after she turned all crazy talk
show host on him,, in any case, he argues that the military is so stretched
right now that they are extremely hesitant to dismiss anyone, afterall the ft
hood dude was asking to be released,, apparently
  unless you are gay it is near impossible to be dismissed from the military,
especially in those speciality situations such as counselors,, we have pushed
the military to the brink of explosion, this contributes to why i argue that we
should not be suprised this sort of thing happens,,
you can read his latest take on this,,, and i'll once again argue that there are
few reporters that can say they are more in touch with this situation than he is
http://www.salon.com/news/fort_hood_shooting/index.html?story=/news/feature/2009\
/11/12/hasan_coverage

or just go to salon.com and search mark benjamin

steve s

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, jon mckim <syzygy.606@...> wrote:

> before they finished. Goddam "fire-safe cigarettes." I swear
> they made me feel sick, they're probably much worse than
> otherwise. I'm changing brands til they're all that way,
> then I'll grow my own. -J)
 
fits under the local food movement as well,,
i'll come help you taste test them,,
 
steve s




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--- On Fri, 11/13/09, jon mckim <syzygy.606@...> wrote:
> EVERYTHING isn't the fault of America. >

Thank you for saying so. This is a fact that is being generally subverted, much
to my dismay.

===========

who said it was,, everytime someone suggests that american actions or policies
may contribute to something, it suddenly becomes the sole reason,, are you guys
now suggesting that putting this guy, obviously one with issues, in the
situation he was in, had nothing to do with the outcome,, can't we suggest that
american policy might possibly influence one's behavior, or is america like god,
we praise em when it goes good and blame the devil (or in this case muslims)
when it goes bad,, never our fault, always 100% someone elses fault
like it or not,, america has killed many more arabs/muslims than they have
killed americans, we have a tortued history in afghanistan and the middle east
in general,, but apparently it is unamerican to admit that

steve s

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Roky S <rokysyd11@...> wrote:
It was significant that this killer walked around in traditional Muslim dress
the day that he did his killing. It WAS NOT as inconsequential as wearing pink
slippers. That's the kind of boneheaded statement that turns people against the
left.
=========

i understand that you think so, but i'd still like to hear your reason as to why
it mattered,, he wasn't doing anything that he hadn't done for most all of his
life,, exactly what does him wearing those clothes have to do with his actions
later on,, we get it, he is a muslim, nobody is suggesting otherwise,, nobody
suggested that is religious beliefs had no part in it,, you seem to be
suggesting that wearing those clothes suggests someone will go around killing
people,, if you don't like the pink slippers (which by the way i wasn't the one
that said pink), how about the goth look, or the camo clothes,, should we assume
people wearing those clothes are out to kill people and because they wore them
we should assume they are likely to do so,, it is just as real that kids wearing
goth clothing have killed people as this dude wearing his muslim dress (which
could also be described as arab dress),, bush wore a suit, should i look at
anyone in a suit as a war
  monger

steve s

steve s

Kiloh,
Here is the skinny about home protection weapons. As for a handgun for the half
man, half Kiloh, there are some things to consider. First, do you want to haul
the weapon around with you in your car or in your belt. Arizona is one of the
blessed states where open carry is legal. But you might not want to do that. If
you do, however, a smaller pistol is recommended.
For me the perfect carry around handgun is a .380 cal. Berretta, or a Smith &
Wesson. They are both double action which means you can just pull the trigger
and not have to cock it first. A little heavier piece is a 9mm, same brands. The
.380 is often called a 9mm short. James Bond uses a .380, a Walther PPK.
You can get some really good guns cheaper, too. I just like to always get the
best of everything. I am a brand oriented American consumer, I'm afraid, but you
don't have to be.
Here's the other thing to think about. For strictly home protection, a handgun
is not really the best option and here's why.
These handgun rounds I have suggested are hot loads and will go through metal if
fired at anything up to about 40 yards. To hit anything at that range, however,
you better practice a lot. Join a shooting club with an indoor range. Even
learning to hit a target the  size of a human chest cavity at close range is not
as easy as you might think. So, a handgun takes a lot of practice to get good
with (your life may depend on how accurate you are) and it will  go through
sheet rock and stud walls like butter, so you might kill your next door neighbor
accidently.
For strictly home protection, I always rely on a 12 gauge shotgun, one of the 
cool new models with a fairly short barrel. A pump is better than and automatic
because automatic shotguns, even good ones, are subject to jam. A pump is very,
very reliable. It will hold 5 rounds. I recommend a light field  load, maybe a 4
or 6 rated shot. That way, it will blow a hole in a body but not go through a
wall easily. After going through a wall, bird shot will loose velocity and thus
power. Also, the sound a 12 gauge makes when you shuck a round into the chamber
is a very, very formidable sound and anyone hearing it unexpectedly would likely
freeze or run like hell (if they're smart).

So there you have it. But be careful, most accidental shootings are
self-inflicted. You MUST take a safety course if you haven't been raised
shooting guns like I have. They are dangerous. Firearms are designed to kill
things.
Death happens when you discharge one, and whether it is on purpose or accidental
is irrelevant to the victim and the weapon has no thoughts or emotions on the
matter. Safety First, always and every time. There is no such think as an
unloaded gun. Repeat that  over and over and over.
  G

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Roky S
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:21 AM
   Subject: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy



   Look, the Army missed the boat on that guy. First, he's a shrink. Everybody
knows that shrinks are crazier than their patients. Second, he was communicating
with this Jihadist holy man. Third, he had posted on Facebook that suicide
bombers were like Marines falling on grenades to save their buddies. Fourth, he
liked to shoot his mouth off that his loyalities *really* were with the towel
heads that want us dead.

   The Army should have jumped on this and marched the guy into a windowless room
for a chat. He should have then been drummed out of the United States Service.

   Look, my political leanings are to the left. I have never voted for a
Republican anything. But you namby-pamby Liberals make me want to hurl. Grow a
fucking brain. EVERYTHING isn't the fault of America. It doesn't make me a
reactionary that I wish to secure our border with Mexico. All the Mexicans
coming across the border are not soft and cuddly; many are hardened criminals.
It's perfectly OK to take a closer look at Muslims that do things like send
emails comparing suicide bombers to war heros. It's perfectly OK take a closer
look at groups of Middle Eastern men in airports.

   It was significant that this killer walked around in traditional Muslim dress
the day that he did his killing. It WAS NOT as inconsequential as wearing pink
slippers. That's the kind of boneheaded statement that turns people against the
left.

   On another note, I am thinking of getting a handgun. I want something easy to
use, light, not much recoil; something that I can just whip out and blow a hole
in somebody without having to do much. I'm not looking for a Dirty Harry cannon.
Does anybody have some suggestions?

   I'm a homeowner now and there are a lot of break-ins around here. In my
sub-division alone there were a rash of break-ins early in 2009. The fuckers
would come in the house while people were asleep. I want to be able to blow a
hole in anybody that does that.

   I went to see the Ohio Players with my girl last month. These are the HAS BEEN
Ohio Players. I shot about five minutes of video and put it up on Youtube. Their
management emailed me and threatened to come and pound on my door. I emailed
them back and told them that I live in ARIZONA; Joe Arpiao Country. I invited
them to come and pound on my door so I could blow a big hole in their stupid ass
and then get a tickertape parade up Main Street as Citizen of the Month. They
emailed me back and called me a racist because I was so racist to threaten to
shoot a black man who told me that he was going to come and pound on my door if
he could find out where I lived. This was over a bit of video on Youtube. That
fucking band should be happy that anybody remembers them; much less posts
something on Youtube.

   Anyway, this got me thinking that I really should get a handgun.

   Kiloh





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> EVERYTHING isn't the fault of America. >

Thank you for saying so. This is a fact that is being generally subverted, much
to my dismay.


> the Ohio Players... They emailed me back and called me a racist because I was
so racist to threaten to shoot a black man who told me that he was going to come
and pound on my door >

Now that does beat all... Funny story, assuming the threat is idle.
But still, having a gun around the house is not a bad idea anyway.
Jon



---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Roky S" <rokysyd11@...>

Look, the Army missed the boat on that guy. First, he's a shrink. Everybody
knows that shrinks are crazier than their patients. Second, he was communicating
with this Jihadist holy man. Third, he had posted on Facebook that suicide
bombers were like Marines falling on grenades to save their buddies. Fourth, he
liked to shoot his mouth off that his loyalities *really* were with the towel
heads that want us dead.

The Army should have jumped on this and marched the guy into a windowless room
for a chat. He should have then been drummed out of the United States Service.

Look, my political leanings are to the left. I have never voted for a Republican
anything. But you namby-pamby Liberals make me want to hurl. Grow a fucking
brain. EVERYTHING isn't the fault of America. It doesn't make me a reactionary
that I wish to secure our border with Mexico. All the Mexicans coming across the
border are not soft and cuddly; many are hardened criminals. It's perfectly OK
to take a closer look at Muslims that do things like send emails comparing
suicide bombers to war heros. It's perfectly OK take a closer look at groups of
Middle Eastern men in airports.

It was significant that this killer walked around in traditional Muslim dress
the day that he did his killing. It WAS NOT as inconsequential as wearing pink
slippers. That's the kind of boneheaded statement that turns people against the
left.

On another note, I am thinking of getting a handgun. I want something easy to
use, light, not much recoil; something that I can just whip out and blow a hole
in somebody without having to do much. I'm not looking for a Dirty Harry cannon.
Does anybody have some suggestions?

I'm a homeowner now and there are a lot of break-ins around here. In my
sub-division alone there were a rash of break-ins early in 2009. The fuckers
would come in the house while people were asleep. I want to be able to blow a
hole in anybody that does that.

I went to see the Ohio Players with my girl last month. These are the HAS BEEN
Ohio Players. I shot about five minutes of video and put it up on Youtube. Their
management emailed me and threatened to come and pound on my door. I emailed
them back and told them that I live in ARIZONA; Joe Arpiao Country. I invited
them to come and pound on my door so I could blow a big hole in their stupid ass
and then get a tickertape parade up Main Street as Citizen of the Month. They
emailed me back and called me a racist because I was so racist to threaten to
shoot a black man who told me that he was going to come and pound on my door if
he could find out where I lived. This was over a bit of video on Youtube. That
fucking band should be happy that anybody remembers them; much less posts
something on Youtube.

Anyway, this got me thinking that I really should get a handgun.

Kiloh



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> We are so afraid of offending someone we let 'em kill us, just so we can't be
accused of profiling. Well, profiling is a way of life. Of course the key word
would be discretion and objectivity. If someone of any religion or race or
whatever runs up a red flag, check it out seriously and professionally. Like I
say, we pay a lot of money to hire these snoops to investigate potential
threats, it's time they earned their keep. And they must do their jobs totally
within the laws and grant all citizens the protections under the Bill of Rights
during their investigations. >


That's true too, though. "Political Correctness" has gone so far that it's
become genuinely dangerous.
J


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "George Kinney" kinney777@...

Yes, I remember the camps where they placed many loyal US citizens who were
Japanese. Terrible. But, we pay all this shitload of money for Homeland
Security, and they don't do shit. The guy who shot the soldiers at Ft. Hood
(where I served as an MP for a stint) had be previously discovered to be a
threat, but apparently it was just too much trouble to get rid of him, so the
board who was supposed to decide just told the suspects superior officers to let
it go and he would be out of their hair when he was re-assigned to Ft. Hood...or
something like that. The same sort of shit happened prior to 911.
We are so afraid of offending someone we let 'em kill us, just so we can't be
accused of profiling. Well, profiling is a way of life. Of course the key word
would be discretion and objectivity. If someone of any religion or race or
whatever runs up a red flag, check it out seriously and professionally. Like I
say, we pay a lot of money to hire these snoops to investigate potential
threats, it's time they earned their keep. And they must do their jobs totally
within the laws and grant all citizens the protections under the Bill of Rights
during their investigations.
The interment of the Japs in California during WWII was the usual knee-jerk,
over the top, over-reaction that happened after 911. Disgusting. There is a
correct way to conduct such in inquiries, why can't we ever seem to accomplish
that correct behavior? Could it again be the head  up the ass syndrome... HUTA?
G



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> Fear can let us do
shameful things to others too easily. >

That is true, and I sometimes think when this kind of um, "man-caused disaster"
(is there a worse possible phrase than this?) happens, what would the
finger-pointers really have had people do? The case of the Fort Hood son of a
bitch, maybe there should have been some kind of questioning relative to his
internet postings and all that, but still, there isn't a whole lot you can do to
someone who hasn't done anything, and hasn't indicated they definitely will.
Once again, the fix is "internal." How we work and deal with each other...
"There is no reason to rise alone."


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Kevin Cheli-Colando <kevin@...>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:37 AM, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:
>
> Not really a fair comparison, I don't think. Did any one every teach me how
> to spell facetious? The point is, the other categories you mention are not
> at war with us in bum fuck wherever. Whether we like it or not, and I don't,
> we are at war with a whole bunch of Muslims who really do want to blow our
> shit away. So that makes them special. We need to be more careful about them
> because of that if nothing else. At least I am. If I go to the store and see
> a rough looking, turban wearing, bearded, robed, stern-faced dude with a
> camel parked outside, I'm gonna be very cautious and keep my .40 cal Beretta
> close at hand. If the dude starts shooting folks, I would do my best John
> Wayne and drop him like an ugly date on prom night. But remember, I am
> basically a south Austin redneck turned philosopher, so you can't expect
> much from me.
>

Anyone remember the internment camps of world war II?  Fear can let us do
shameful things to others too easily.

Kevin


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> they should have just posted individual bills addressing the issues on their
own standing, like pre-existing conditions, or being able to carry your policy
with you when you change jobs,, each individually,, >


That would probably make too much sense. :-/
I wish bills in general were more fucussed, or at least less crammed full of
legislation that's irrelevant to each bill's primary issues. So much bullshit
gets slid past us that way, it's totally insane.


> obama has wasted his popularity and grand ability to sell the public on an
issue,, >


It would be nice to see him do a little less celebrity/appearance type of
things, and a little more presiding.
Wait a minute, what am I saying. Scratch that.
Jon


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Steve S weencock@...


--- On Wed, 11/11/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:
I think this is a new version of that old, failed bill. But the info I got may
be falsified. I just can't tell anymore. Even snoops is suspect.
The Obama Care bill that passed the house was so full of lies and complex
misinformation that we may never know what was voted in. Apparently the senate
vote might kill it. So here we are back to square one. We obviously need serious
reform of the health care system,
===========

as for the health bill,,, it is more a congress generated bill, the opposition
is labeling it as obamacare cause i guess it's fun and effective to make fun of
his name and focus the criticism on a single person (remember how successful it
was labeling the process in 93 as hilarycare), but this has been a
pelosi/bauchus bill,, the bill as the house passed is almost surely to be
drastically changed, after the senate votes to go to the next step (which is
still an uphill battle) it will have to be arranged in a way that both the house
and senate can vote it once again,, i'm not all too happy about how this played
out, i think obama should have played a bigger roll and focused the bill instead
of having this hodgepodge of this and that all jumbled together to please enough
congress folks,, like george suggests, it keeps the insurance companies in the
drivers seat, that is a big time problem in my book,, obama claims he'd prefer a
single payer system that
eliminates the insurance companies but he believes we already have a system
entrenched and it will be too difficult to scrap it,,,, if not going for the
gold they should have just posted individual bills addressing the issues on
their own standing, like pre-existing conditions, or being able to carry your
policy with you when you change jobs,, each individually,, i also wonder why the
wyden/bennett bill was summarily dismissed, it focused more on removing the tie
between insurance and employer,,
i sort of think obama has wasted his popularity and grand ability to sell the
public on an issue,, he should have spent the last 9 months pointing out how the
current pay for service/insurance system is drowning us in debt and making a few
very very rich,, instead he just said, i'd like to see this in general and
passed the torch to the congress, at that point you have too many cooks in the
kitchen

steve s



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> The New World Order came into being at 4:25 Tuesday afternoon. >


But fortunately (and a little amazingly to me) Hilary is saying she doesn't
think it's gonna happen.
Yet. [Jon]


From the AP:
=====================================

MANILA, Philippines – Next month's climate change summit in Copenhagen is not
likely to produce a legally binding treaty to cut the greenhouse gas emissions
that are widely blamed for global warming, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary
Rodham Clinton said Friday.

Speaking to a town hall meeting of students at a university in the Philippine
capital, Clinton said the Obama administration would push instead for a strong
"framework agreement" that could become a template for an eventual enforceable
pact.

"We are going to go to Copenhagen 100-percent committed to creating a framework
agreement," she said. "We doubt that we can get to the legally binding agreement
that everyone wants because too many countries have too many questions."

(the rest: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091113/ap_on_bi_ge/climate_change )
=====================================

Still, the attitude toward doing it is there. I can hardly believe it would even
be considered, it seems like such a BAD idea.
Jon

(P.S. yeah, tell 'em to lay off oyster regulations, can't they leave anything
alone? Just this week I found out why my cigarettes had suddenly been tasting
funny and burning out before they finished. Goddam "fire-safe cigarettes." I
swear they made me feel sick, they're probably much worse than otherwise. I'm
changing brands til they're all that way, then I'll grow my own. -J)



---------- Original Message ----------
From: Steve S weencock@...

i know you guys love your guns,, but even you have to admit that there are
anti-obama/pro gun groups out there that are more than happy to post false info
in an attempt to stir up their base, in the process collect more money,, the
left does it, the right does it,, there is no doubt that this is not being
considered by the current senate,, and afterall, obama has been on a mission to
prove he is more gun than the next guy for some reason,, he has directed his
attention towards oysters,, i've been silent on this, but it is pissing me off,
if any of you want to rant against big government, this is one issue i'll join
you screaming all the way,,

speaking of world government,, dana milbank had a piece playing on that theme in
the post this morning





One World Government? Globe may not be big enough.


By Dana MilbankWednesday, November 11, 2009


The New World Order came into being at 4:25 Tuesday afternoon.

It arrived at the Capitol, until that moment the seat of American government, in
the form of the stooped and bespectacled figure of Ban Ki-moon,


<snip>



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Look, the Army missed the boat on that guy. First, he's a shrink. Everybody
knows that shrinks are crazier than their patients. Second, he was communicating
with this Jihadist holy man. Third, he had posted on Facebook that suicide
bombers were like Marines falling on grenades to save their buddies. Fourth, he
liked to shoot his mouth off that his loyalities *really* were with the towel
heads that want us dead.

The Army should have jumped on this and marched the guy into a windowless room
for a chat. He should have then been drummed out of the United States Service.

Look, my political leanings are to the left. I have never voted for a Republican
anything. But you namby-pamby Liberals make me want to hurl. Grow a fucking
brain. EVERYTHING isn't the fault of America. It doesn't make me a reactionary
that I wish to secure our border with Mexico. All the Mexicans coming across the
border are not soft and cuddly; many are hardened criminals. It's perfectly OK
to take a closer look at Muslims that do things like send emails comparing
suicide bombers to war heros. It's perfectly OK take a closer look at groups of
Middle Eastern men in airports.

It was significant that this killer walked around in traditional Muslim dress
the day that he did his killing. It WAS NOT as inconsequential as wearing pink
slippers. That's the kind of boneheaded statement that turns people against the
left.

On another note, I am thinking of getting a handgun. I want something easy to
use, light, not much recoil; something that I can just whip out and blow a hole
in somebody without having to do much. I'm not looking for a Dirty Harry cannon.
Does anybody have some suggestions?

I'm a homeowner now and there are a lot of break-ins around here. In my
sub-division alone there were a rash of break-ins early in 2009. The fuckers
would come in the house while people were asleep. I want to be able to blow a
hole in anybody that does that.

I went to see the Ohio Players with my girl last month. These are the HAS BEEN
Ohio Players. I shot about five minutes of video and put it up on Youtube. Their
management emailed me and threatened to come and pound on my door. I emailed
them back and told them that I live in ARIZONA; Joe Arpiao Country. I invited
them to come and pound on my door so I could blow a big hole in their stupid ass
and then get a tickertape parade up Main Street as Citizen of the Month. They
emailed me back and called me a racist because I was so racist to threaten to
shoot a black man who told me that he was going to come and pound on my door if
he could find out where I lived. This was over a bit of video on Youtube. That
fucking band should be happy that anybody remembers them; much less posts
something on Youtube.

Anyway, this got me thinking that I really should get a handgun.

Kiloh

I wish I were going with you to eat 'em and puke. This is so wrong.
G
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Steve S
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 12:55 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment



   --- On Thu, 11/12/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:

   I have been trying to decipher this mysterious message all day and can't.
Help!
   G

   ..."and after all, Obama has been on a mission to prove he is more gun than
the next guy for some reason,, he has directed his attention towards oysters,,
..."

   i was saying that obama has been a giant disappointment to the gun regulation
folks,, he backed the nra position on the dc case for example,, yet, to the
important part, the fda, under obama's appointed leadership, has taken upon
themselves to declare raw oysters a no-no,, the fda has determined that the rest
of the country should follow california's approach and sterilize all oysters
before they can be served,, you can read more about it, at least the local new
orleans paper's take on it here
  
http://www.nola.com/dining/index.ssf/2009/10/louisiana_blasts_fda_plan_to_l.html

   i'm heading back down there in a month or so, and i plan on existing on a diet
of nothing but raw oysters,, i'll eat them till i puke,,

   steve s



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I think you are right about being innocent until proven guilty. I'm not for
putting a general tag on Muslims that degrade their status as US citizens in any
way. I just think that we should be particularly careful about Muslims in
positions that could compromise our security, since we are currently at war with
many of their brethren. Just be more careful, that's all...not a general
condemnation by any means. If the feds want to "be more careful" dealing with
militia members who believe it's okay to protect themselves from the feds if
necessary, well, they are already watching them very, very closely, so nothing
would change on that level. I guess profiling is not the right term for what I
would suggest as possible actions regarding potential Muslim terrorists in this
country. Just be smart. There are Muslim terrorists that want to kill us. Some
of them are likely to be in this country. We should be careful and try to stop
them from killing us. Is that such a bad way to look at it?
I hate the fact that law officers harass folks for looking a certain way or
being of a certain race. It is wrong. I, too, have been treated that way...many
times. Law enforcement officers need to be educated and to do so they must be
intelligent. Unfortunately, many of them are ignorant, racist, red-neck idiots.
And it's starting to look like higher up law enforcement officials are just the
same. Oh, no...we're back to the argument that nothing can further without
people being better people. Oh, no it means psychological evolution is going to
have to come about. Oh, no...we're gonna have to redefine ourselves if we wish
to ......
G
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Steve S
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:02 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy




   --- On Thu, 11/12/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:
   Yes, I remember the camps where they placed many loyal US citizens who were
Japanese. Terrible. But, we pay all this shitload of money for Homeland
Security, and they don't do shit. The guy who shot the soldiers at Ft. Hood
(where I served as an MP for a stint) had be previously discovered to be a
threat, but apparently it was just too much trouble to get rid of him, so the
board who was supposed to decide just told the suspects superior officers to let
it go and he would be out of their hair when he was re-assigned to Ft. Hood...or
something like that. The same sort of shit happened prior to 911.
   We are so afraid of offending someone we let 'em kill us, just so we can't be
accused of profiling. Well, profiling is a way of life.

   ===========
   i can understand this point,, the guy did throw up a lot of flags and the
military will be judged on how they handled this specific case,, but as for the
profiling,, i'm guessing you'd think it wrong if the feds used profiling to take
away the guns of some survivalist that subscribed to violent ideals about how to
save the world,,, we are expected to consider gun owners responsible until they
actually do something bad with it,, it's a judgement call and that call will
always be hammered by someone that disagrees with it,, innocent until proven
guilty unless it's that dude over there and not me,, even something as innocent
as long hair causes trouble,, until i started cutting mine i was regularly
pulled over while driving and searched,, since i keep it more or less short,
that never happens, the cops would even tell me to clean up my act if i don't
want to be stopped,,

   steve s





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My father's cousin was a nurse at the Manzanar camp near Death Valley, during
World War II.
 
She shared with me her photo albums of camp life when I was young, back in the
seventies.
 
She might have even been the head nurse, since she was a graduate of Stanford's
nursing program, and had a Master's degree in Nursing.    And she set up Santa
Cruz County's modern nursing system during the New Deal era, just before the
war.
 
Her brother, who was a gunnery officer manning a battery on a cruiser, or some
similar ship, in the Pacific Theater during the war, used to quip to her, "Jo,
all the time I was trying to kill the Japs, you were trying to save them."
 
She used to train young Japanese nursing students in the camp, and would escort
them by train to Los Angeles for their nursing certification tests.
 
Manzanar was not one of the worst camps.    I think Tule Lake and another camp
up in Montana (Heart Mountain?) were much worse.   I think these were the camps
where they sent people who were known to be sympathetic to Japan, rather than
being in an awkward situation in which one had divided loyalties, or being
strongly pro-American.
 
The leader of the Pro-American faction at Manzanar was almost lynched in one
famous episode, in which the MPs had to fire on a mob and several people were
killed.    The mob was about to storm the hospital, intent on killing the
pro-American faction leader in camp, who was hospitalized.
 
The conditions at Manzanar were absolutely horrible in the beginning, as it was
a work in chaos - - before the administration got its act together.   Within a
year the camp was much better organized, but the early days were miserable.
 
Doug

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Steve S <weencock@...> wrote:
 
Yes, I remember the camps where they placed many loyal US citizens who were
Japanese. Terrible.





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--- On Thu, 11/12/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:
Yes, I remember the camps where they placed many loyal US citizens who were
Japanese. Terrible. But, we pay all this shitload of money for Homeland
Security, and they don't do shit. The guy who shot the soldiers at Ft. Hood
(where I served as an MP for a stint) had be previously discovered to be a
threat, but apparently it was just too much trouble to get rid of him, so the
board who was supposed to decide just told the suspects superior officers to let
it go and he would be out of their hair when he was re-assigned to Ft. Hood...or
something like that. The same sort of shit happened prior to 911.
We are so afraid of offending someone we let 'em kill us, just so we can't be
accused of profiling. Well, profiling is a way of life.

===========
i can understand this point,, the guy did throw up a lot of flags and the
military will be judged on how they handled this specific case,, but as for the
profiling,, i'm guessing you'd think it wrong if the feds used profiling to take
away the guns of some survivalist that subscribed to violent ideals about how to
save the world,,, we are expected to consider gun owners responsible until they
actually do something bad with it,, it's a judgement call and that call will
always be hammered by someone that disagrees with it,, innocent until proven
guilty unless it's that dude over there and not me,, even something as innocent
as long hair causes trouble,, until i started cutting mine i was regularly
pulled over while driving and searched,, since i keep it more or less short,
that never happens, the cops would even tell me to clean up my act if i don't
want to be stopped,,

steve s

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:





I have been trying to decipher this mysterious message all day and can't. Help!
G

..."and after all, Obama has been on a mission to prove he is more gun than the
next guy for some reason,, he has directed his attention towards oysters,, ..."
 
i was saying that obama has been a giant disappointment to the gun regulation
folks,, he backed the nra position on the dc case for example,, yet, to the
important part, the fda, under obama's appointed leadership, has taken upon
themselves to declare raw oysters a no-no,, the fda has determined that the rest
of the country should follow california's approach and sterilize all oysters
before they can be served,, you can read more about it, at least the local new
orleans paper's take on it here
http://www.nola.com/dining/index.ssf/2009/10/louisiana_blasts_fda_plan_to_l.html
 
i'm heading back down there in a month or so, and i plan on existing on a diet
of nothing but raw oysters,, i'll eat them till i puke,,
 
steve s



 




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Good point.
G
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jon mckim
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:35 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment



   > But maybe the information I got was falsified. I really can't tell anymore,
even snoops is suspect.
   >


   Only way we can ever be "sure" is to read the bills as they are posted on the
Congress website.

   That's assuming you have time, patience, and the wherewithal to digest and
make sense of the legalese they usually write them in.

   That's also assuming that the sometimes 1000-plus page bills are posted there
long enough before they do their 11:30-PM vote on a Saturday night, like the
House did with the Health Care bill last week.
   Bastards.

   Jon


   ---------- Original Message ----------
   From: "George Kinney" <kinney777@...>
   To: <G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com>
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
   Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:05:48 -0600

   No, but it is a new version of that old, failed bill...I think. But maybe the
information I got was falsified. I really can't tell anymore, even snoops is
suspect.

   G
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Steve S
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:33 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment

   isn't this some old failed bill from like 10 years ago,, and not actually
happening
   http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/SB2099.shtml

   --- On Tue, 11/10/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:

   From: George Kinney <kinney777@...>
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:21 AM

   Have you heard? The 2010 income tax form, good ol' all around favorite, 1040,
will require anyone owning firearms to list them, their value, serial numbers,
location in the house, and pay a tax on ownership. Also, the next level, HR 45,
being considered in congress, will make anyone owning a firearm submit to
fingerprinting, a fee per firearm, a medical evaluation at the time and place
selected by the IRS, and other repressive provisions that are in the works.
   The income tax part was slipped through committee and signed off on by Obama
without a vote being cast for or against by either house of congress. It was
falsely spun as a minor IRS adjustment. How can this happen? I know I am in the
minority on this list when it comes to 2nd Amendment rights, but where goes one
right, others will follow...down the shitter in this case. Kiloh and others say
don't worry about this, that there are much bigger fish to fry. I vehemently
disagree. Once our rights to the protection of ourselves, our families, and our
communities from all aggressors, including a repressive government, are taken
from us, we will literally have no stick with which to fight back. Even though I
do not think it will ever come to an actual shooting revolution, the threat of
it, as in the cold war, acts as a detente against unfettered repression of the
populace. I wish you all agreed with me, but alas, that is a rather unrealistic
hope. I know most of
   you are very intelligent and caring folks, but I must warn you in no uncertain
terms to watch out for this president; he is as dangerous as the last one.
   He has sold out the health care reform movement, caving to the insurance
companies and pharmaceuticals without even a serious fight.
   We are still engaged in two terrible, unwinnable wars with no real plan to get
out.
   Our personal liberties are constantly in peril in the wake of the new "world
community" and the establishment of a global economy based on the greed and
power lust of an international financial oligarchy.
   On and on. And, in the midst of all this, we are being quietly disarmed, just
like the citizens of Germany prior to Hitler's take over back in the 1930's. You
can disagree with my ideas or solutions, of course, but at least see the gravity
of the situation and come up with solutions that might work.
   G

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jon mckim
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
   Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:00 PM
   Subject: RE: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy

   Well, I do think at least two things show that he made a personal shift into
the jihad mindset independently, when he wrote his thing comparing suicide
bombers to soldiers falling on grenades to save others; and when he yelled that
particular Muslim saying when he opened fire. It's not yet proven he was the one
who yelled it they say, but who can we suppose it was? I guess he could have
said it as like an "Oh shit, please save my ass after I do this," but I don't
think so. Whether he was in any kind of contact with other jihadists is not
important. That he chose to personally wage jihad is what is being suspected as
I read it. That's bad enough.
   J

   ---------- Original Message ----------
   From: "Russ Kinter" <pyth7@verizon. net>

   All these Ahs are agree to the obvious without digging further down.
   They seem to imply it was part of a conspiracy for holy-war when other facts
   relevant to the assassin show it isn't.

   tc
   Russ Kinter

   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com [mailto:G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
   > jon mckim
   >
   > A-three'd.
   >
   >
   > ---------- Original Message ----------
   > From: wayne hawes <dhawes2002@yahoo. com>
   >
   >
   > Agreed.
   >
   >
   > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Roky S <rokysyd11@yahoo. com> wrote:
   >
   >
   > I find that he wore traditional Muslim dress as significant. He was about
   > to do his Jihad.
   >

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   ------------------------------------

   Check out George Kinney's Web site here:
   http://georgekinney.com

   Check out a cool Internet radio station here. It's all Psych and Blues:
   http://launch.yahoo.com/lc/?rt=0&rp1=0&rp2=1453797336Yahoo! Groups Links

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I have been trying to decipher this mysterious message all day and can't. Help!
G

..."and after all, Obama has been on a mission to prove he is more gun than the
next guy for some reason,, he has directed his attention towards oysters,, ..."
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Steve S
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:15 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment



   i know you guys love your guns,, but even you have to admit that there are
anti-obama/pro gun groups out there that are more than happy to post false info
in an attempt to stir up their base, in the process collect more money,, the
left does it, the right does it,, there is no doubt that this is not being
considered by the current senate,, and afterall, obama has been on a mission to
prove he is more gun than the next guy for some reason,, he has directed his
attention towards oysters,, i've been silent on this, but it is pissing me off,
if any of you want to rant against big government, this is one issue i'll join
you screaming all the way,,

   speaking of world government,, dana milbank had a piece playing on that theme
in the post this morning

   One World Government? Globe may not be big enough.



  
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   By Dana MilbankWednesday, November 11, 2009

   The New World Order came into being at 4:25 Tuesday afternoon.

   It arrived at the Capitol, until that moment the seat of American government,
in the form of the stooped and bespectacled figure of Ban Ki-moon, who as U.N.
secretary general is the de facto leader of what conspiracy theorists call the
One World Government. One floor beneath the Senate chamber, Ban, a South Korean
national, took his place behind a lectern bearing the Senate seal and spelled
out his demands.
   "I would certainly expect the Senate to take the necessary action; that's what
I have encouraged the senators," he told reporters as a trio of lawmakers stood
at his side. He added an admonition for the chamber to deliver "as soon as
possible."
   The One World Government has specific requirements, Ban added, namely a
"legally binding" commitment to "25 to 40 percent greenhouse gas reduction . . .
as recommended by the IPCC, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change."
   Uh-oh. A U.N. official standing in the Capitol telling U.S. lawmakers what
binding commitments intergovernmental authorities expect from them? Glenn Beck
was going to burst a blood vessel.
   But the man who orchestrated this putsch by the New World Order, Senate
Foreign Relations Chairman John Kerry (D-Switzerland), did not appear concerned
by the imagery. He called the secretary general "Your Excellency." Sen. Richard
Lugar of Indiana (a Republican, but he drives a Prius) was equally deferential
as he spoke of "the privilege of this distinguished visitor."
   And Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) hailed Ban for "the accelerated leadership
role" that the United Nations has taken. "Your vision, that in Copenhagen there
can be a politically binding agreement that will lead to a legally binding
agreement to follow . . . is a very reasonable, sensible and hopeful course."
   Somewhere in Manhattan, Sean Hannity was tearing up his script for the night's
broadcast.

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   Kerry invited Ban to lecture the Foreign Relations Committee, but it's not
clear what the chairman hoped to gain from the photos of him standing with Ban
in the Capitol's Brumidi Corridors. Indeed, it seemed quite possible that a U.N.
endorsement of Kerry's climate efforts would embolden its foes, who like the
world body even less than they like cap-and-trade. In the pantheon of conspiracy
theories, the United Nations is right up there with the Illuminati, the
Trilateral Commission, the Federal Reserve and the Council on Foreign Relations
-- which, as it happens, Kerry addressed a couple of weeks ago.
   Even Americans who don't come from the grassy-knoll tradition tend not to
regard the United Nations with great confidence. A Gallup poll earlier this year
found that 65 percent of respondents thought it was doing a bad job, compared
with 26 percent who think it is doing a good job. Ban himself is not terribly
nefarious, if only because he is unknown. A Wall Street Journal poll found that
81 percent of those surveyed didn't know who he was. The others may have
confused him with the Unification Church's Rev. Sun Myung Moon.
   Ban's profile could become much higher, and not in a good way, if Americans
start to perceive him as meddling in Senate consideration of climate
legislation. Even before he stormed the Capitol, Fox News was drawing a
connection between global warming talks in Copenhagen next month and One World
Government.
   "America, if you believe this country is great but you're not really into that
whole One World Government thing, watch out," Fox News Channel's Beck warned a
couple of weeks ago. His guest, Lord Christopher Monckton of Britain, told Beck
that "at Copenhagen, a treaty will be signed that will, for the first time,
create a world government with powers to intervene directly in the economy and
in the environmental affairs of individual nations." Earlier on Fox News, Dick
Morris informed Hannity that President Obama "believes in One World Government."
And author Jerome Corsi went on Hannity's show to warn about a One World
Government in which "our sovereignty would be subject to the dictates" of the
United Nations and other international organizations.
   The One World Government was on open display at the Capitol on Tuesday, as
international U.N. staffers waited outside the room where Ban spoke to the
senators. The secretary general had come with his own world government (armed?)
security detail, who stood alongside the Capitol police.
   Ban, wearing a gold U.N. lapel pin, unfolded his speech. "Less than a month
from now, the leaders of the world will gather in Copenhagen," he said. "They
must conclude a robust global agreement," that is "comprehensive, binding,
equitable and fair."
   Speaking softly but firmly, the South Korean cautioned the Americans that "the
world is not standing still," and that "all the eyes of the world are looking to
the United States."
   After a few minutes, Kerry cut off questioning. "Folks, the secretary general
has to get to the airport."
   Ban needed to catch the U.S. Airways shuttle to New York. The One World
Government Air Force isn't what it's cracked up to be.

   --- On Wed, 11/11/09, jon mckim <syzygy.606@...> wrote:

   From: jon mckim <syzygy.606@...>
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:35 PM



   > But maybe the information I got was falsified. I really can't tell anymore,
even snoops is suspect.
   >

   Only way we can ever be "sure" is to read the bills as they are posted on the
Congress website.

   That's assuming you have time, patience, and the wherewithal to digest and
make sense of the legalese they usually write them in.

   That's also assuming that the sometimes 1000-plus page bills are posted there
long enough before they do their 11:30-PM vote on a Saturday night, like the
House did with the Health Care bill last week.
   Bastards.

   Jon

   ---------- Original Message ----------
   From: "George Kinney" <kinney777@gmail. com>
   To: <G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com>
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
   Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:05:48 -0600

   No, but it is a new version of that old, failed bill...I think. But maybe the
information I got was falsified. I really can't tell anymore, even snoops is
suspect.

   G
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Steve S
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:33 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment

   isn't this some old failed bill from like 10 years ago,, and not actually
happening
   http://www.senate. gov/reference/ common/faq/ SB2099.shtml

   --- On Tue, 11/10/09, George Kinney <kinney777@gmail. com> wrote:

   From: George Kinney <kinney777@gmail. com>
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
   Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:21 AM

   Have you heard? The 2010 income tax form, good ol' all around favorite, 1040,
will require anyone owning firearms to list them, their value, serial numbers,
location in the house, and pay a tax on ownership. Also, the next level, HR 45,
being considered in congress, will make anyone owning a firearm submit to
fingerprinting, a fee per firearm, a medical evaluation at the time and place
selected by the IRS, and other repressive provisions that are in the works.
   The income tax part was slipped through committee and signed off on by Obama
without a vote being cast for or against by either house of congress. It was
falsely spun as a minor IRS adjustment. How can this happen? I know I am in the
minority on this list when it comes to 2nd Amendment rights, but where goes one
right, others will follow...down the shitter in this case. Kiloh and others say
don't worry about this, that there are much bigger fish to fry. I vehemently
disagree. Once our rights to the protection of ourselves, our families, and our
communities from all aggressors, including a repressive government, are taken
from us, we will literally have no stick with which to fight back. Even though I
do not think it will ever come to an actual shooting revolution, the threat of
it, as in the cold war, acts as a detente against unfettered repression of the
populace. I wish you all agreed with me, but alas, that is a rather unrealistic
hope. I know most of
   you are very intelligent and caring folks, but I must warn you in no uncertain
terms to watch out for this president; he is as dangerous as the last one.
   He has sold out the health care reform movement, caving to the insurance
companies and pharmaceuticals without even a serious fight.
   We are still engaged in two terrible, unwinnable wars with no real plan to get
out.
   Our personal liberties are constantly in peril in the wake of the new "world
community" and the establishment of a global economy based on the greed and
power lust of an international financial oligarchy.
   On and on. And, in the midst of all this, we are being quietly disarmed, just
like the citizens of Germany prior to Hitler's take over back in the 1930's. You
can disagree with my ideas or solutions, of course, but at least see the gravity
of the situation and come up with solutions that might work.
   G

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jon mckim
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
   Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:00 PM
   Subject: RE: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy

   Well, I do think at least two things show that he made a personal shift into
the jihad mindset independently, when he wrote his thing comparing suicide
bombers to soldiers falling on grenades to save others; and when he yelled that
particular Muslim saying when he opened fire. It's not yet proven he was the one
who yelled it they say, but who can we suppose it was? I guess he could have
said it as like an "Oh shit, please save my ass after I do this," but I don't
think so. Whether he was in any kind of contact with other jihadists is not
important. That he chose to personally wage jihad is what is being suspected as
I read it. That's bad enough.
   J

   ---------- Original Message ----------
   From: "Russ Kinter" <pyth7@verizon. net>

   All these Ahs are agree to the obvious without digging further down.
   They seem to imply it was part of a conspiracy for holy-war when other facts
   relevant to the assassin show it isn't.

   tc
   Russ Kinter

   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com [mailto:G_Dawn@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
   > jon mckim
   >
   > A-three'd.
   >
   >
   > ---------- Original Message ----------
   > From: wayne hawes <dhawes2002@ yahoo. com>
   >
   >
   > Agreed.
   >
   >
   > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Roky S <rokysyd11@yahoo. com> wrote:
   >
   >
   > I find that he wore traditional Muslim dress as significant. He was about
   > to do his Jihad.
   >

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   Check out George Kinney's Web site here:
   http://georgekinney .com

   Check out a cool Internet radio station here. It's all Psych and Blues:
   http://launch. yahoo.com/ lc/?rt=0& rp1=0&rp2= 1453797336Yahoo! Groups Links

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True enough about the lawyers. The ones to fear seem to all be wearing those
suits, whatever their professed religion or national status.
G
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Steve S
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:43 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy



   --- On Wed, 11/11/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:
   Not really a fair comparison, I don't think. Did any one every teach me how to
spell facetious? The point is, the other categories you mention are not at war
with us in bum fuck wherever.
   ======

   they may not be at war with the country, but each of the cases i mentioned
have real ties,, the marilyn manson looking kids have been shown to kill
parents, christian fanatics have killed abortion doctors and so on,, the reason
i bring this up is because the followers of islam that i know are more or less
the most peaceful people i know,, personally i'm more afraid of lawyers in
expensive suits and people that iron their shirts

   i surely didn't teach anyone to spell anything,, i can be accused of viewing
spelling as a means to keep the weak down,, i get truely baffled when someone
entirely dismisses an arguement simply because the presenter misspelled
something,, or maybe i just feel that way cause my spelling sucks,, remember i
too am a product of the southern public education system,, and damn proud of it

   steve s





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Yes, I remember the camps where they placed many loyal US citizens who were
Japanese. Terrible. But, we pay all this shitload of money for Homeland
Security, and they don't do shit. The guy who shot the soldiers at Ft. Hood
(where I served as an MP for a stint) had be previously discovered to be a
threat, but apparently it was just too much trouble to get rid of him, so the
board who was supposed to decide just told the suspects superior officers to let
it go and he would be out of their hair when he was re-assigned to Ft. Hood...or
something like that. The same sort of shit happened prior to 911.
We are so afraid of offending someone we let 'em kill us, just so we can't be
accused of profiling. Well, profiling is a way of life. Of course the key word
would be discretion and objectivity. If someone of any religion or race or
whatever runs up a red flag, check it out seriously and professionally. Like I
say, we pay a lot of money to hire these snoops to investigate potential
threats, it's time they earned their keep. And they must do their jobs totally
within the laws and grant all citizens the protections under the Bill of Rights
during their investigations.
The interment of the Japs in California during WWII was the usual knee-jerk,
over the top, over-reaction that happened after 911. Disgusting. There is a
correct way to conduct such in inquiries, why can't we ever seem to accomplish
that correct behavior? Could it again be the head  up the ass syndrome... HUTA?
G

----- Original Message -----
   From: Kevin Cheli-Colando
   To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:57 PM
   Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy



   On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:37 AM, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:

   >
   >
   > Not really a fair comparison, I don't think. Did any one every teach me how
   > to spell facetious? The point is, the other categories you mention are not
   > at war with us in bum fuck wherever. Whether we like it or not, and I don't,
   > we are at war with a whole bunch of Muslims who really do want to blow our
   > shit away. So that makes them special. We need to be more careful about them
   > because of that if nothing else. At least I am. If I go to the store and see
   > a rough looking, turban wearing, bearded, robed, stern-faced dude with a
   > camel parked outside, I'm gonna be very cautious and keep my .40 cal Beretta
   > close at hand. If the dude starts shooting folks, I would do my best John
   > Wayne and drop him like an ugly date on prom night. But remember, I am
   > basically a south Austin redneck turned philosopher, so you can't expect
   > much from me.
   >

   Anyone remember the internment camps of world war II? Fear can let us do
   shameful things to others too easily.

   Kevin

   --
   Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
   form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

   - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

   Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org
   Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos

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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:37 AM, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:

>
>
> Not really a fair comparison, I don't think. Did any one every teach me how
> to spell facetious? The point is, the other categories you mention are not
> at war with us in bum fuck wherever. Whether we like it or not, and I don't,
> we are at war with a whole bunch of Muslims who really do want to blow our
> shit away. So that makes them special. We need to be more careful about them
> because of that if nothing else. At least I am. If I go to the store and see
> a rough looking, turban wearing, bearded, robed, stern-faced dude with a
> camel parked outside, I'm gonna be very cautious and keep my .40 cal Beretta
> close at hand. If the dude starts shooting folks, I would do my best John
> Wayne and drop him like an ugly date on prom night. But remember, I am
> basically a south Austin redneck turned philosopher, so you can't expect
> much from me.
>

Anyone remember the internment camps of world war II?  Fear can let us do
shameful things to others too easily.

Kevin

--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos


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--- On Wed, 11/11/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:
I did a Stevian thing today. I spent $20 more on a come-along at Tractor Supply
for an American-made model than on the cheaper one made in China. The only think
I can see that is really top shelf coming out of China is acupuncture, medicine,
and food.

=======
good work george,, and more impressively you had a reason to buy a come-along,,
i recently picked up a piano sound board at a friends that had to move out of
his place,, it's just the board and iron frame from a grand, most of the wood
had been removed, these things are darn hefty,, strapping that thing down to get
it up the stairs was a bitch,, but if you are like me, you can spend hours and
hours playing with that thing,,

steve s

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:
Not really a fair comparison, I don't think. Did any one every teach me how to
spell facetious? The point is, the other categories you mention are not at war
with us in bum fuck wherever.
======

they may not be at war with the country, but each of the cases i mentioned have
real ties,, the marilyn manson looking kids have been shown to kill parents,
christian fanatics have killed abortion doctors and so on,, the reason i bring
this up is because the followers of islam that i know are more or less the most
peaceful people i know,, personally i'm more afraid of lawyers in expensive
suits and people that iron their shirts

i surely didn't teach anyone to spell anything,, i can be accused of viewing
spelling as a means to keep the weak down,, i get truely baffled when someone
entirely dismisses an arguement simply because the presenter misspelled
something,, or maybe i just feel that way cause my spelling sucks,, remember i
too am a product of the southern public education system,, and damn proud of it

steve s

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:
I think this is a new version of that old, failed bill. But the info I got may
be falsified. I just can't tell anymore. Even snoops is suspect.
The Obama Care bill that passed the house was so full of lies and complex
misinformation that we may never know what was voted in. Apparently the senate
vote might kill it. So here we are back to square one. We obviously need serious
reform of the health care system,
===========

as for the health bill,,, it is more a congress generated bill, the opposition
is labeling it as obamacare cause i guess it's fun and effective to make fun of
his name and focus the criticism on a single person (remember how successful it
was labeling the process in 93 as hilarycare), but this has been a
pelosi/bauchus bill,, the bill as the house passed is almost surely to be
drastically changed, after the senate votes to go to the next step (which is
still an uphill battle) it will have to be arranged in a way that both the house
and senate can vote it once again,, i'm not all too happy about how this played
out, i think obama should have played a bigger roll and focused the bill instead
of having this hodgepodge of this and that all jumbled together to please enough
congress folks,, like george suggests, it keeps the insurance companies in the
drivers seat, that is a big time problem in my book,, obama claims he'd prefer a
single payer system that
  eliminates the insurance companies but he believes we already have a system
entrenched and it will be too difficult to scrap it,,,, if not going for the
gold they should have just posted individual bills addressing the issues on
their own standing, like pre-existing conditions, or being able to carry your
policy with you when you change jobs,, each individually,, i also wonder why the
wyden/bennett bill was summarily dismissed, it focused more on removing the tie
between insurance and employer,,
i sort of think obama has wasted his popularity and grand ability to sell the
public on an issue,, he should have spent the last 9 months pointing out how the
current pay for service/insurance system is drowning us in debt and making a few
very very rich,, instead he just said, i'd like to see this in general and
passed the torch to the congress, at that point you have too many cooks in the
kitchen

steve s

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, George Kinney <kinney777@...> wrote:
So far, we are talking about a time frame that is included in the set: sometime.
As the winter progresses, I think we will narrow it down some.
G
==========

si se puede

fired up
ready to go

i know you guys love your guns,, but even you have to admit that there are
anti-obama/pro gun groups out there that are more than happy to post false info
in an attempt to stir up their base, in the process collect more money,, the
left does it, the right does it,, there is no doubt that this is not being
considered by the current senate,, and afterall, obama has been on a mission to
prove he is more gun than the next guy for some reason,, he has directed his
attention towards oysters,, i've been silent on this, but it is pissing me off,
if any of you want to rant against big government, this is one issue i'll join
you screaming all the way,,
 
speaking of world government,, dana milbank had a piece playing on that theme in
the post this morning

One World Government? Globe may not be big enough.













 




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By Dana MilbankWednesday, November 11, 2009


The New World Order came into being at 4:25 Tuesday afternoon.

It arrived at the Capitol, until that moment the seat of American government, in
the form of the stooped and bespectacled figure of Ban Ki-moon, who as U.N.
secretary general is the de facto leader of what conspiracy theorists call the
One World Government. One floor beneath the Senate chamber, Ban, a South Korean
national, took his place behind a lectern bearing the Senate seal and spelled
out his demands.
"I would certainly expect the Senate to take the necessary action; that's what I
have encouraged the senators," he told reporters as a trio of lawmakers stood at
his side. He added an admonition for the chamber to deliver "as soon as
possible."
The One World Government has specific requirements, Ban added, namely a "legally
binding" commitment to "25 to 40 percent greenhouse gas reduction . . . as
recommended by the IPCC, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change."
Uh-oh. A U.N. official standing in the Capitol telling U.S. lawmakers what
binding commitments intergovernmental authorities expect from them? Glenn Beck
was going to burst a blood vessel.
But the man who orchestrated this putsch by the New World Order, Senate Foreign
Relations Chairman John Kerry (D-Switzerland), did not appear concerned by the
imagery. He called the secretary general "Your Excellency." Sen. Richard Lugar
of Indiana (a Republican, but he drives a Prius) was equally deferential as he
spoke of "the privilege of this distinguished visitor."
And Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) hailed Ban for "the accelerated leadership
role" that the United Nations has taken. "Your vision, that in Copenhagen there
can be a politically binding agreement that will lead to a legally binding
agreement to follow . . . is a very reasonable, sensible and hopeful course."
Somewhere in Manhattan, Sean Hannity was tearing up his script for the night's
broadcast.



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Kerry invited Ban to lecture the Foreign Relations Committee, but it's not clear
what the chairman hoped to gain from the photos of him standing with Ban in the
Capitol's Brumidi Corridors. Indeed, it seemed quite possible that a U.N.
endorsement of Kerry's climate efforts would embolden its foes, who like the
world body even less than they like cap-and-trade. In the pantheon of conspiracy
theories, the United Nations is right up there with the Illuminati, the
Trilateral Commission, the Federal Reserve and the Council on Foreign Relations
-- which, as it happens, Kerry addressed a couple of weeks ago.
Even Americans who don't come from the grassy-knoll tradition tend not to regard
the United Nations with great confidence. A Gallup poll earlier this year found
that 65 percent of respondents thought it was doing a bad job, compared with 26
percent who think it is doing a good job. Ban himself is not terribly nefarious,
if only because he is unknown. A Wall Street Journal poll found that 81 percent
of those surveyed didn't know who he was. The others may have confused him with
the Unification Church's Rev. Sun Myung Moon.
Ban's profile could become much higher, and not in a good way, if Americans
start to perceive him as meddling in Senate consideration of climate
legislation. Even before he stormed the Capitol, Fox News was drawing a
connection between global warming talks in Copenhagen next month and One World
Government.
"America, if you believe this country is great but you're not really into that
whole One World Government thing, watch out," Fox News Channel's Beck warned a
couple of weeks ago. His guest, Lord Christopher Monckton of Britain, told Beck
that "at Copenhagen, a treaty will be signed that will, for the first time,
create a world government with powers to intervene directly in the economy and
in the environmental affairs of individual nations." Earlier on Fox News, Dick
Morris informed Hannity that President Obama "believes in One World Government."
And author Jerome Corsi went on Hannity's show to warn about a One World
Government in which "our sovereignty would be subject to the dictates" of the
United Nations and other international organizations.
The One World Government was on open display at the Capitol on Tuesday, as
international U.N. staffers waited outside the room where Ban spoke to the
senators. The secretary general had come with his own world government (armed?)
security detail, who stood alongside the Capitol police.
Ban, wearing a gold U.N. lapel pin, unfolded his speech. "Less than a month from
now, the leaders of the world will gather in Copenhagen," he said. "They must
conclude a robust global agreement," that is "comprehensive, binding, equitable
and fair."
Speaking softly but firmly, the South Korean cautioned the Americans that "the
world is not standing still," and that "all the eyes of the world are looking to
the United States."
After a few minutes, Kerry cut off questioning. "Folks, the secretary general
has to get to the airport."
Ban needed to catch the U.S. Airways shuttle to New York. The One World
Government Air Force isn't what it's cracked up to be.



--- On Wed, 11/11/09, jon mckim <syzygy.606@...> wrote:


From: jon mckim <syzygy.606@...>
Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:35 PM


 



> But maybe the information I got was falsified. I really can't tell anymore,
even snoops is suspect.
>


Only way we can ever be "sure" is to read the bills as they are posted on the
Congress website.

That's assuming you have time, patience, and the wherewithal to digest and make
sense of the legalese they usually write them in.

That's also assuming that the sometimes 1000-plus page bills are posted there
long enough before they do their 11:30-PM vote on a Saturday night, like the
House did with the Health Care bill last week.
Bastards.

Jon


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "George Kinney" <kinney777@gmail. com>
To: <G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com>
Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:05:48 -0600

No, but it is a new version of that old, failed bill...I think. But maybe the
information I got was falsified. I really can't tell anymore, even snoops is
suspect.

G
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve S
To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment

isn't this some old failed bill from like 10 years ago,, and not actually
happening
http://www.senate. gov/reference/ common/faq/ SB2099.shtml

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, George Kinney <kinney777@gmail. com> wrote:

From: George Kinney <kinney777@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [G_Dawn] The Beginning of the End of the 2nd Ammendment
To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:21 AM

Have you heard? The 2010 income tax form, good ol' all around favorite, 1040,
will require anyone owning firearms to list them, their value, serial numbers,
location in the house, and pay a tax on ownership. Also, the next level, HR 45,
being considered in congress, will make anyone owning a firearm submit to
fingerprinting, a fee per firearm, a medical evaluation at the time and place
selected by the IRS, and other repressive provisions that are in the works.
The income tax part was slipped through committee and signed off on by Obama
without a vote being cast for or against by either house of congress. It was
falsely spun as a minor IRS adjustment. How can this happen? I know I am in the
minority on this list when it comes to 2nd Amendment rights, but where goes one
right, others will follow...down the shitter in this case. Kiloh and others say
don't worry about this, that there are much bigger fish to fry. I vehemently
disagree. Once our rights to the protection of ourselves, our families, and our
communities from all aggressors, including a repressive government, are taken
from us, we will literally have no stick with which to fight back. Even though I
do not think it will ever come to an actual shooting revolution, the threat of
it, as in the cold war, acts as a detente against unfettered repression of the
populace. I wish you all agreed with me, but alas, that is a rather unrealistic
hope. I know most of
you are very intelligent and caring folks, but I must warn you in no uncertain
terms to watch out for this president; he is as dangerous as the last one.
He has sold out the health care reform movement, caving to the insurance
companies and pharmaceuticals without even a serious fight.
We are still engaged in two terrible, unwinnable wars with no real plan to get
out.
Our personal liberties are constantly in peril in the wake of the new "world
community" and the establishment of a global economy based on the greed and
power lust of an international financial oligarchy.
On and on. And, in the midst of all this, we are being quietly disarmed, just
like the citizens of Germany prior to Hitler's take over back in the 1930's. You
can disagree with my ideas or solutions, of course, but at least see the gravity
of the situation and come up with solutions that might work.
G

----- Original Message -----
From: jon mckim
To: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: [G_Dawn] Re: Debka File on Fort Hood tragedy

Well, I do think at least two things show that he made a personal shift into the
jihad mindset independently, when he wrote his thing comparing suicide bombers
to soldiers falling on grenades to save others; and when he yelled that
particular Muslim saying when he opened fire. It's not yet proven he was the one
who yelled it they say, but who can we suppose it was? I guess he could have
said it as like an "Oh shit, please save my ass after I do this," but I don't
think so. Whether he was in any kind of contact with other jihadists is not
important. That he chose to personally wage jihad is what is being suspected as
I read it. That's bad enough.
J

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Russ Kinter" <pyth7@verizon. net>

All these Ahs are agree to the obvious without digging further down.
They seem to imply it was part of a conspiracy for holy-war when other facts
relevant to the assassin show it isn't.

tc
Russ Kinter

> -----Original Message-----
> From: G_Dawn@yahoogroups. com [mailto:G_Dawn@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
> jon mckim
>
> A-three'd.
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: wayne hawes <dhawes2002@ yahoo. com>
>
>
> Agreed.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Roky S <rokysyd11@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
> I find that he wore traditional Muslim dress as significant. He was about
> to do his Jihad.
>

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Check out George Kinney's Web site here:
http://georgekinney .com

Check out a cool Internet radio station here. It's all Psych and Blues:
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woo-hoo!

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "George Kinney" <kinney777@...>


So far, we are talking about a time frame that is included in the set: sometime.
As the winter progresses, I think we will narrow it down some.
G
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Steve S

  i agree,, surely have at least one, hopefully more house shows
  get a full dose of kinney that way

  --- On Tue, 11/10/09, jon mckim <syzygy.606@...> wrote:


  I don't think I saw the message, but that would be fantastic.
  And, yes I do, and so I will... When exactly are we talking about?

  ---------- Original Message ----------
  From: "George Kinney" <kinney777@gmail. com>

  Hey Jon, did you read Steve's message to me about this spring? If it can be
arranged for me to come out, I want you to have a home session at your house
again if possible. That was about my favorite gig last time. Do you still play
music with the lovely Jeanie? I still sing "That Song" from time to time. Make
sure she and her husband are invited if we put together a gig at your digs.
  G


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