Search the web
Sign In
New User? Sign Up
Haft_Dastgah · Haft Dastgah
? Already a member? Sign in to Yahoo!

Yahoo! Groups Tips

Did you know...
Message search is now enhanced, find messages faster. Take it for a spin.

Best of Y! Groups

   Check them out and nominate your group.
Having problems with message search? Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system.

Messages

  Messages Help
Advanced
Re: What a Performance!!!!   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #93 of 229 |
RE: [Haft_Dastgah] RE: What a Performance!!!!

Bijan Jaan,
 
I am sorry for forwarding your comments without your permission. I did not realize that your comments were private. I apologize for the confusion and will be more careful in the future. As you mentioned, it was an honest mistake with the intention of creating a ground for open discussion.
 
Mehrdad
 


Bijan Ghofranian <Bijan@...> wrote:
Salam Homayoon, and other members of Haft DastGah group,

I was surprised to receive the e-mail from you containing my privately
expressed comments. I don't know who posted my comments to "Haft
Dastgah" yahoo group. My apologies to all members for the lack of
sensitivity of the person who sent it to you. It sure wasn't me.

Since my comments were shared with a group without my knowledge and
permission, I need to do a little explaining... if you are too busy you
can stop reading it now...

My comments were strong at the sender of the original message Mr.
"Faraz". After my email to only him and Mehrdad, I got a response from
both. But in all fairness Mr. Faraz's response was very kind and warm.
As I read his response I began to realize what a gentleman,
knowledgeable and kind person he is. Then it became clear that his
intentions were totally benign and he was merely discussing one's
performance among HIS OWEN CIRCLE OF FRIENDS that know him. I don't
believe his intention was to send it to a large group of people and not
expect receiving any response!

The real mistake here is to share one' strong opinion among people that
don't know him, or post it to groups that he is not a member of. That's
why I wrote what I wrote, and I only wrote that to Mr. Faraz and
Mehrdad. So my comments and criticism were PRIVATE to them only! But
now to my dismay Mr. Naghibian has chosen the "Zeer Abee" path and has
"BCC'd" that is "Blind Carbon Copy", the whole yahoo group...!!!!!
That is just unfair and unprofessional. I hope it was an honest mistake
on his part...

The lesson to be learned is not to forward every e-mail you receive to
everyone whose e-mail you have just because you can and it's easy to do.
Please be considerate to the senders!!! And recipients!!!! Alike.

Finally, Camcorders may not do justice when recording an amplified sound
in an auditorium. The quality may have been degraded by distance,
reflections and echoes in the room. Could that have contributed for him
to be out of tune....?


Bijan Gofranian

P.S. I have a copy of Mr. Faraz's response, but I will let him share it
only if he chooses.


-----Original Message-----
From: homayoun sahafi [mailto:sahafi@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:44 PM
To: Haft_Dastgah@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Bijan Ghofranian
Subject: Re: [Haft_Dastgah] RE: What a Performance!!!!

I AGREE WITH BIJAN
IT WOULD BE BETTER TO LEAVE ARTISTS FREE TO WORK AND EXPRESS THEMSELVES
AND DON'T PUT ART AND ARTISTS IN RESTRICTION BECAUSE OF LEGACY AND
TRADITION ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU PUBLICIZE YOUR OPINION.

HOMAYOUN


--- mehrdad naghibian wrote:

> Dear Bijan,
>
> I am sorry if you did not like the fact that Faraz questioned Mr.
> Nazeri's performance.
> However, you are hitting both on Faraz for expressing himself and on

> our national/classical/traditional music. I don't think Faraz was
> trying to ruin Mr. Nazeri's reputation. I believe that he was
> disturbed, like many others, by the fact that this particular
> performance of Mr.
> Nazeri was conspicuously very poor, out of tune, and simply pathetic;
> and it was performed for mostly non-Iranian audience. I recently
> played with Mr.
> Nazeri in a private party and he sang relatively well. I have a lot of

> his older CDs and I enjoy a lot of them. I used to go to his concerts.

> Recently he has started a style that may not be interesting to some of

> us-which you are right; we have an option not to listen to it or go to

> his concert ( what I did ). However, when our music is brutalized by
> an experienced musician like him, we have a right to talk about it
> and express ourselves. Style is a preference and absolutely Mr.
> Nazeri's right to choose his work and I have no doubt that he finds
> his own audience. Being out of tune and not admitting it comes from
> arrogance, ignorance, and being rude.
>
> As I mentioned, it is better for people to watch the clip and
> evaluate it themselves. By the way, we don't know whether or not the
> film was illegally taped. It is on you-tube and anyone can access it (

> Faraz has nothing to do with it ).
>
> I'll make sure not to disturb you with emails like this again.
>
> Take care,
>
> Mehrdad
>
> Bijan Ghofranian wrote:
> I am not sure what you guys are talking about... But apparently

> both of you don't like his style... I am not a fan of Nazeri nor
> Shajarian, nor particularly believe that the classical
> monophonic Persian music is all that developed as
> compared with western music. ... But I am perturbed by wisdom of
> distributing this e-mail questioning the style of another artist.
> Well perhaps you don't understand it just yet.... You may have to
> develop a taste for it... I am not sure if it is Faraz's business to

> question why people applaud for.... They applaud for what they
> enjoyed
> dude.... !!! If you don't like it don't watch it,
> don't buy his CD, and don't go to his concert. If you can do it
> better then go for it. This was not criticizing him... This was
> typical corrupt Persian slander... Stop it.
> ...Not to mention the illegally recorded video...
>
> Bijan Gofranian
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> From: mehrdad naghibian
> [mailto:naghibian@...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:49 AM
> To: faraz_santour@...
> Subject: What a Performance!!!!
>
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Please read Faraz's comments below and watch the clip posted on
> youtube. The rest is very self-explanatory.
>
> Dear Faraz,
>
> I received your comments through Safheh Irani yahoo-group. I don't
> really know what to say. I think you said it all. Let's just say
> nothing and pass it around so people can find out for themselves.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Mehrdad
>
> Posted by: "Faraz Minooei" faraz_santour@ yahoo.com Fri Jan 26, 2007

> 2:09 pm (PST) Salam,
>
> I saw this video on you tube and I had to share it with all of you.
> I can not stop myself to criticize this performance,
>
> 1. Why does he do this?
> 2. Does he know what he is doing?
> 3. Does he know he is out of tune? What is the philosophy behind the
> rhythm.
> 4. He can not sing the notes till finding them on the setar.
> 5. What is the structure of whatever he is doing?
> 6. What kind of style does he play on setar?
> 7. Where did he get the poem from?
> 8. What does he know about the rest of the poem?
> 9. Is he the best vocalist after Shajarian? then should I say goodbye
> to the Avaz of Iran?
> 10. Is this the example of Iranian music?
> 11. How do Westerners look at our music based on this performance?
> 12. What do people applaud for?
> 13. Do people realize there is something wrong?
> 14. Who is responsible to talk about this issue?
> 15. Can anyone talk to him about this issue?
> 17. Should I ask more questions?
>
> Oh I forgot that he is the Ostad and I should be polite and not
> criticize him!!!!
>
> I have practice from Radif Navazi, to Jazz, twentieth Century music
> and Philippine's music and more and I know we are free to do whatever
> we want to do, but please don't destroy the law of nature, and be in
> tune.
>
> See the performance here!
>
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=k-wP8PYX- 8M
>
>
>
>
>




________________________________________________________________________
____________
Bored stiff? Loosen up...
Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
http://games.yahoo.com/games/front



Thu Feb 1, 2007 6:40 pm

Naghibian
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email

Forward
Message #93 of 229 |
Expand Messages Author Sort by Date

Dear Bijan, I am sorry if you did not like the fact that Faraz questioned Mr. Nazeri's performance. However, you are hitting both on Faraz for expressing...
mehrdad naghibian
Naghibian
Offline Send Email
Jan 29, 2007
9:42 am

Bijan Jaan, I am sorry for forwarding your comments without your permission. I did not realize that your comments were private. I apologize for the confusion...
mehrdad naghibian
Naghibian
Offline Send Email
Feb 4, 2007
4:30 am

I AGREE WITH BIJAN IT WOULD BE BETTER TO LEAVE ARTISTS FREE TO WORK AND EXPRESS THEMSELVES AND DON'T PUT ART AND ARTISTS IN RESTRICTION BECAUSE OF LEGACY AND...
homayoun sahafi
sahafi.rm
Offline Send Email
Feb 4, 2007
4:30 am

در رابطه با اجرای شهرام ناظری در پاریس خدایا از کجا شروع کنم! دیدن اجرای مسخره آقای...
sam nikou
snikou@...
Send Email
Feb 4, 2007
4:30 am

Dear All; It is important to consider the fact that we live in the internet era. Information and expressed opinions are almost in public domain. People can ...
AOL-Mike Tabba
miketabba@...
Send Email
Feb 4, 2007
4:30 am

Salam Homayoon, and other members of Haft DastGah group, I was surprised to receive the e-mail from you containing my privately expressed comments. I don't...
bijang
Offline Send Email
Feb 4, 2007
4:31 am

It sounded pretty darn good to me. Thank you. ... From: sam nikou<mailto:snikou@...> To:...
Blindowel@...
firoozehkhatibi
Offline Send Email
Feb 4, 2007
8:40 pm
Advanced

Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help