Hey Harold,

I too am very interested in the results of your poll. I have been
listening to internet radio on a regular basis since 1998 but that was
probably because I worked for a company doing internet radio at the
time.

Since I don't have a car and I live in an area that does not get good
reception, internet radio is my primary method of radio listening.

Anyone else...?

-shawn

--- Harold@... wrote:
> I have a quick poll for everyone. Shawn's interest in Internet radio
> ratings has prompted me to do some further research, and today I
> found an article discussing the findings in a report made by RRadio
> Network, a division of a radio and TV ad production company called
> Audio Graphics. The report shows that nearly half of the Internet
> radio audience has been listening for less than a year. [
> http://www.mediapost.com/dtls_dsp_news.cfm?newsID=241251]
>
> Less than a year!
>
> I'm interested in knowing if this number is reflected in our group
> here. So here's the poll:
>
> How many of you have been listening to Internet radio for less than a
> year?
>
> Thanks for responding--I'm looking forward to learning the results!
>
> Harold J. Johnson
> Moderator, Internet Radio Lovers
> Webcaster, VoyagerRadio
> Site: http://www.VoyagerRadio.com
> Blog: http://VoyagerRadio.blogspot.com
>
> Tell a friend about the Internet Radio Lovers at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InternetRadioLovers/
>
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [InternetRadioLovers] RE: Measuring The Audience
> > From: Harold@...
> > Date: Thu, March 04, 2004 10:39 am
> > To: InternetRadioLovers@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > I enjoyed this article. Written from the point of view of someone
> who
> > has studied audience research, it demonstrates how inaccurate the
> > ratings systems can be, while still being important to broadcast
> > industries. Interestingly, the author makes it a point to distance
> > streaming media from "mass" media because he doesn't want the new
> form
> > of communication to fall into "the ratings trap". In other words,
> he
> > doesn't want Internet radio and other streaming media to become
> like
> > traditional broadcast media.
> >
> > Makes sense to me. The question is, should Internet radio become a
> > "mass" media, will it be able to retain its "indie" status as well?
>
> > Will their still be room for both independent stations and
> corporate
> > stations in this space, as we have today? Or will it become too
> > expensive for independent operators?
> >
> > Harold J. Johnson
> > VoyagerRadio
> > Transmitting Downtempo Electronica to Earth
> > Site: http://www.VoyagerRadio.com
> > Blog: http://VoyagerRadio.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: RE: [InternetRadioLovers] Join the discussion
> anytime/Music
> > > Law Summit West
> > > From: "Shawn Van Every" <vanevery@...>
> > > Date: Tue, March 02, 2004 4:32 pm
> > > To: InternetRadioLovers@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Harold,
> > >
> > > The Arbitron developments will make life a bit more difficult for
> ad
> > > sales folks but I think there are some interesting counter
> arguments
> > > to
> > > be made against traditional Arbitron/Neilson style measurements
> that
> > > might help matters. Here is a good article regarding such:
> > > http://www.streamingmedia.com/article.asp?id=5645&c=16
> > >
> > > BTW: I think Arbitron measurements in the internet radio space
> were
> > > directly related to actual server logs (at least in the early
> days).
> >
> > > Being such, it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that the
> internet
> > > broadcasting community could form an organization to provide this
> > > service to it's members (log analysis, validation and peer
> ranking).
> > >
> > > -shawn
> > >
> > > --- Harold@... wrote:
> > > > Shawn,
> > > >
> > > > I'm not certain, but maybe we'll be able to dig up that
> infomation
> > > > together. I've always been suspect of traditional methods of
> > > > evaluating radio broadcasts, since there seems to be no way of
> > > > accuratey accessing how many people are really listening. I
> was
> > > > recently a Nielsen Family and filled out a calendar-like
> "diary"
> > to
> > > > report to the Nielsen how much television I was watching. My
> > > "diary"
> > > > is supposed to represent X number of listeners. I suspect
> > Arbitron
> > > > uses a similar method to measure terrestrial radio broadcasts,
> but
> > > > I'm not sure.
> > > >
> > > > Speaking of Arbitron, some more big news came this week. Looks
> > like
> > > > Arbitron has stopped measuring Internet radio, as reported in
> the
> > > > following article:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.clickz.com/news/article.php/3319381
> > > >
> > > > I remember a few years ago when the company, known for its
> > > > measurement of traditional radio ratings, announced it would be
> > > > measuring Internet radio. They've apparently dropped it
> because
> > > they
> > > > haven't figured out a way to make money to support measurement
> of
> > > > Internet radio, though they say they'll "remain committed to
> the
> > > > Internet broadcast business and continue to believe in the
> > viability
> > > > of this medium and its long-term market potential". Well,
> that's
> > > > good news, but it's alarming to see the loss of this excellent
> > > > measuring system. I fear this may stall the arrival of some
> good
> > > > advertising models for Internet radio.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know of any other companies that measure Internet
> > radio?
> > > >
> > > > Harold J. Johnson
> > > > VoyagerRadio
> > > > Transmitting Downtempo Electronica to Earth
> > > > Site: http://www.VoyagerRadio.com
> > > > Blog: http://VoyagerRadio.blogspot.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > > Subject: Re: [InternetRadioLovers] Join the discussion
> > > > anytime/Music
> > > > > Law Summit West
> > > > > From: "Shawn Van Every" <vanevery@...>
> > > > > Date: Tue, February 24, 2004 12:43 pm
> > > > > To: InternetRadioLovers@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Harold,
> > > > >
> > > > > Your last email reminded me of a question that I have had
> since
> > > > > Arbitron and other companies started tracking internet radio
> > > usage.
> > > >
> > > > > Is
> > > > > there a statistically valid method to compare traditional
> radio
> > > > > listening stats (cume and aqh) with internet radio stats (as
> > > > > represented by Arbitron)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > shawn
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Harold@... wrote:
> > > > > > Gentlemen and Ladies,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm certainly not going to badger you about partipating in
> > this
> > > > > > group--you're free to participate in this group in any way
> you
> > > > like,
> > > > > > whether that be as a silent observer or an active
> > > > conversationalist.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm perfectly happy letting you all know what's new in the
> > world
> > > > of
> > > > > > Internet radio, but I just wanted to let you know--just in
> > case
> > > > you
> > > > > > didn't already--that you're free to jump in with your own
> > > > Internet
> > > > > > radio topic at any time. Besides, I can't possibly know
> > > > everything
> > > > > > about this new medium. So feel free to take a topic and
> run
> > > with
> > > > it
> > > > > > anytime!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Music Law Summit West takes place on Wednesday in San
> > > > Francisco
> > > > > [
> > > > > > http://www.futureofmusic.org/events/hastings04/index.cfm ].
>
> > > > Panel
> > > > > > topics will include: peer-to-peer file sharing, digital
> > download
> > > > > > stores, major label contracts, and music & politics. The
> > event
> > > > will
> > > > > > include a keynote by Lawrence Lessig [
> > > > http://www.lessig.org/blog/
> > > > > ].
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul Maloney of the Radio And Internet Newsletter [
> > > > > > http://www.kurthanson.org ] reports that the latest
> Arbitron
> > > > > Internet
> > > > > > Broadcast Ratings show that in January nearly all networks
> > > > rebounded
> > > > > > from December's marked decreases:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/022004/index.asp
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apparently, folks are returning to their favorite webcasts
> > after
> > > > > > switching to holiday program in December. The Arbitron
> > ratings
> > > > can
> > > > > > be found here:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.arbitron.com/newsroom/archive/WCR02_19_04.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Harold J. Johnson
> > > > > > VoyagerRadio
> > > > > > Transmitting Downtempo Electronica to Earth
> > > > > > Site: http://www.VoyagerRadio.com
> > > > > > Blog: http://VoyagerRadio.blogspot.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > __________________________________
> > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.
> > > > > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster
> > > http://search.yahoo.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam
http://mail.yahoo.com