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#753 From: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 12:16 pm
Subject: File - JRAS Monthly Autopost 		JRAS@yahoogroups.com
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This is a monthly autopost to prevent Yahoo from deleting this group (a fan
club, as it were) from inactivity.

The JRAS is responsible for producing the comprehensive Jane Relf 2-cd
compilation called "Jane's Renaissance," from Renaissance Records USA. The
tracklist is available both at the label's website and at amazon.com.

Label: http://cdthen.net/janerelf.html
Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/5ne6gd
or http://amazon.com/dp/B001GF9MA2

After 12 months, the label has sold 800 copies.
Buy yours now in time for the holidays, before it goes out of print!

The JRAS is also has the following web features in the "Files" section:

1) "A 15 Year History" - written in a Barry Miles style, this brief pictorial
history of Renaissance, Illusion, and Jane Relf is likely one of the most
concise histories of these artists available on the internet.

2) "Songs" - contains the rarities Carpet of the Sun, High Mountain, Won't You
Come Along, Kellogg's Country Store (advertisement), and an intriguing vocal
warmup in rehearsal that transitions from Silent Night, to Happy Xmas, to Gone
Fishing.  Plus, there is a special Mpeg video of the Coca Cola television
advertisement that gained very wide critical and public acclaim in 1971, in
which Jane was a participant.

3) YouTube links - Feel free to contribute YouTube links to this folder!  Thanks
to Josh for producing some wonderful tribute videos to Jane and the band!

4) Jane's Renaissance Reviews - We will try to find reviews and or links to
posted comments about the Jane's Renaissance release, and post them here.

All kinds of goodies on the JRAS.  Check in and see!

Two other websites of possible interest:

A site for discussion on all matters Renaissance-Illusion:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/RenIll/
(no archive or memorabilia - but spam-free discussion)

A site with extensive memorabilia, but an unused discussion (spam) board:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RenaissanceIllusionStairway/
(do not subscribe to email from this site, just use the archive)

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#752 From: "Bob M. Gelman" <bmgelman@...>
Date: Tue Oct 6, 2009 7:19 pm
Subject: Re: A 'Bogus' Renaissance Reunion? 		bmgelman
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I bought a copy when it first came out. Google search found it here: http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/7065629/a/South+Of+Winter.htm

At 11:39 AM 10/6/2009, you wrote:
 

I saw a review of the Renaissant album a while back; it looked interesting, so I put out a search for it on eBay.  Two or three years on, it still hasn't appeared even once -- which suggests either that it's so fabulous that no one wants ever to be parted from it, or that it sold very, very few copies.

David

Brian Williams wrote:
 
Russ,
 
There has been low-grade gossip for 4 years about a possible Sullivan-Tout-Camp reunion, much of the talk occurring after Sullivan released his "Renaissant" album with his wife on lead vocal (she sounds like Marianne Faithfull did in 1965, fwiw).  I personally don't follow that scene too closely, perhaps others on this board who frequent the Sullivan and/or Mark II boards could comment further.  bw

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:16 PM, garrettruss <garrettruss@...> wrote:
 

Am I reading between the lines correctly or just imagining things? Is there some sort of Renaissance style reunion in the works without Annie? That would explain the flurry of activity surronding the issue of who actually owns the Renaissance name.
Russ
http://www.yardbirds.us




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#751 From: Jean-Luc Delcoux <jldelcoux@...>
Date: Tue Oct 6, 2009 7:17 pm
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From: David Barrett <midnight_dvb@...>:

>  I saw a review of the Renaissant album a while back;
>  it looked interesting, so I put out a search for it on eBay.
>  Two or three years on, it still hasn't appeared even once
>   -- which suggests either that it's so fabulous that no one
>  wants ever to be parted from it, or that it sold very, very
>  few copies.

You will find it here

http://amazon.com/dp/B000B865D2

Jean-Luc

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#750 From: Brian Williams <williamsba@...>
Date: Tue Oct 6, 2009 7:15 pm
Subject: Re: A 'Bogus' Renaissance Reunion? 		bw858585
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I liked it.  I reviewed it, forgot where I posted the review (I think on JRAS and/or RIS, plus on some Classic Rock Yahoo page).  It still can be purchased, I believe, from the Sullivan website itself www.tsullivan.net.
 
bw

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:39 PM, David Barrett <midnight_dvb@...> wrote:
 

I saw a review of the Renaissant album a while back; it looked interesting, so I put out a search for it on eBay.  Two or three years on, it still hasn't appeared even once -- which suggests either that it's so fabulous that no one wants ever to be parted from it, or that it sold very, very few copies.

David


Brian Williams wrote:
 
Russ,
 
There has been low-grade gossip for 4 years about a possible Sullivan-Tout-Camp reunion, much of the talk occurring after Sullivan released his "Renaissant" album with his wife on lead vocal (she sounds like Marianne Faithfull did in 1965, fwiw).  I personally don't follow that scene too closely, perhaps others on this board who frequent the Sullivan and/or Mark II boards could comment further.  bw

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:16 PM, garrettruss <garrettruss@...> wrote:
 

Am I reading between the lines correctly or just imagining things? Is there some sort of Renaissance style reunion in the works without Annie? That would explain the flurry of activity surronding the issue of who actually owns the Renaissance name.
Russ
http://www.yardbirds.us




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#749 From: David Barrett <midnight_dvb@...>
Date: Tue Oct 6, 2009 6:39 pm
Subject: Re: A 'Bogus' Renaissance Reunion? 		midnight_dvb
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I saw a review of the Renaissant album a while back; it looked interesting, so I put out a search for it on eBay.  Two or three years on, it still hasn't appeared even once -- which suggests either that it's so fabulous that no one wants ever to be parted from it, or that it sold very, very few copies.

David

Brian Williams wrote:
 
Russ,
 
There has been low-grade gossip for 4 years about a possible Sullivan-Tout-Camp reunion, much of the talk occurring after Sullivan released his "Renaissant" album with his wife on lead vocal (she sounds like Marianne Faithfull did in 1965, fwiw).  I personally don't follow that scene too closely, perhaps others on this board who frequent the Sullivan and/or Mark II boards could comment further.  bw

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:16 PM, garrettruss <garrettruss@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Am I reading between the lines correctly or just imagining things? Is there some sort of Renaissance style reunion in the works without Annie? That would explain the flurry of activity surronding the issue of who actually owns the Renaissance name.
Russ
http://www.yardbirds.us



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#748 From: Brian Williams <williamsba@...>
Date: Tue Oct 6, 2009 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: A 'Bogus' Renaissance Reunion? 		bw858585
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Russ,
 
There has been low-grade gossip for 4 years about a possible Sullivan-Tout-Camp reunion, much of the talk occurring after Sullivan released his "Renaissant" album with his wife on lead vocal (she sounds like Marianne Faithfull did in 1965, fwiw).  I personally don't follow that scene too closely, perhaps others on this board who frequent the Sullivan and/or Mark II boards could comment further.  bw

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:16 PM, garrettruss <garrettruss@...> wrote:
 

Am I reading between the lines correctly or just imagining things? Is there some sort of Renaissance style reunion in the works without Annie? That would explain the flurry of activity surronding the issue of who actually owns the Renaissance name.
Russ
http://www.yardbirds.us



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#747 From: "garrettruss" <garrettruss@...>
Date: Tue Oct 6, 2009 6:16 pm
Subject: A 'Bogus' Renaissance Reunion? 		garrettruss
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Am I reading between the lines correctly or just imagining things? Is there some
sort of Renaissance style reunion in the works without Annie? That would explain
the flurry of activity surronding the issue of who actually owns the Renaissance
name.
Russ
http://www.yardbirds.us

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#746 From: Brian Williams <williamsba@...>
Date: Mon Oct 5, 2009 8:09 pm
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All of Jane Relf's Stairway appearances are on Jane's Renaissance.  Stairway makes nice mood music, and is a pleasant, simple, soothing listen.  But you will not find any other Jane Relf appearances on any other Stairway tracks that aren't already on Jane's Renaissance. bw

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:49 PM, codexone2004 <Lambert1901@...> wrote:
 

I'm thinking of purchasing Stairway's "Moonstone" and "Raindancing" CDs, available on amazon. I see that five of the six Stairway tracks on "Jane's Renaissance" are included on the former CD, and the other track is on the latter CD.

I'd be willing to purchase these two CDs, including also for the additional tracks on each disc, even if those tracks don't feature Jane.

So that's my question: is Jane featured on any of the additional tracks on those two CDs, besides the 6 in question that are already on "Jane's Renaissance?" Or, if I bought those 2 CDs, would all the tracks besides the 6 already included on "JR", all of them in fact not feature Jane at all, only the other musicians?

Thanks for clarifying,
Paul



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#745 From: "codexone2004" <Lambert1901@...>
Date: Mon Oct 5, 2009 7:49 pm
Subject: One More Question: RE: Stairway 		codexone2004
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I'm thinking of purchasing Stairway's "Moonstone" and "Raindancing" CDs,
available on amazon.  I see that five of the six Stairway tracks on "Jane's
Renaissance" are included on the former CD, and the other track is on the latter
CD.

I'd be willing to purchase these two CDs, including also for the additional
tracks on each disc, even if those tracks don't feature Jane.

So that's my question: is Jane featured on any of the additional tracks on those
two CDs, besides the 6 in question that are already on "Jane's Renaissance?" 
Or, if I bought those 2 CDs, would all the tracks besides the 6 already included
on "JR", all of them in fact not feature Jane at all, only the other musicians?

Thanks for clarifying,
Paul

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#744 From: Lambert1901@...
Date: Mon Oct 5, 2009 7:40 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty 		codexone2004
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Thanks for the comments, Marcello.  And thank you in advance anyone else who wishes to comment.  I do think when I get around to it and despite its greater than $45 price on amazon right now, eventually I'll buy "Through the Fire."

Thanks again, everyone,
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Marcello <rothery@...>
To: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: [JRAS] Re: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty

 
Though the Fire, for me, doesn't have much of the original Renaissance style. Maybe something in common with the second album (Illusions), songs like Love is All. All the lead vocals are done by Jim, Jane only sang backing vocals. The main reference are Louis' unique bass and Hawken's piano, they did a show, like always.

This is what I remember. I only listened to the cd two or three times, on a store. I still don't have it.

Marcello
  

2009/10/5 <Lambert1901@aol.com>
 
Hello, everyone,

Now that "Through the Fire" has been brought up, and seemingly rarely in recent posts within our group, can someone answer each of these questions of mine?

(1)  why was nothing from "Through the Fire" included on "Jane Relf: Renaissance"? 

(2) Why is "Through the Fire" so rare/high-priced/few in number, in terms of availability for sale right now on amazon.com usa site? 

(3)  Why is the official amazon description of the album apparently quite inaccurate (although the Yardbirds group is mentioned in it)?  Is someone willing to notify amazon of their inaccuracy?

(4) Are there any files within our yahoo group evaluating "Through the Fire"?  Can a few of you comment on your assessment of the album?

(5) I've decided my favorite original releases featuring Jane are "Renaissance: Illusion" and presumably, since I loved the 6 Stairway tracks on "Jane's Renaissance", Stairway's "Moonstone" and "Raindancing" releases.  These latter two are CDs  available on amazon that I'm trying to budget to be able to buy soon.  But I'm thinking I'd love "Through the Fire".  So, what does it sound like: is "Through the Fire" reminiscent more than anything else, of either: Renaissance MKI, Illusion, or Stairway, or does it primarily go off into even a different direction?


Thanks, everyone,
Paul from Denver
"someone who has finally decided my 5 favorite rock bands/artists are: Jane Relf and her bands/projects, Steamhammer, Judy Dyble (whom as I indicated I've recently reviewed on amazon), Steve Kilbey, and The Moody Blues "


-----Original Message-----
From: garrettruss <garrettruss@yahoo.com>
To: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:20 pm
Subject: [JRAS] Re: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty

 
Robert makes a few excellent points concerning ownership of the Renaissance name. In addition also consider the 'Renaissance Illusion' album 'Through The Fire' of just a few years ago. If Jane Relf owned the rights to the name the album would not have been billed as 'Renaissance Illusion' but simply as Renaissance. Whoever thinks that Jane 'owns' the name is mistaken.

--- In JRAS@yahoogroups.com, Robert Tierney <robtierney123@...> wrote:
>
> Oh, come on, people, if Jane owned the name Renaissance then why did her band return to the music scene as Illusion?  If she owned the name, then Annie Haslam and company would have had to use a different name for their band.  And when the Annie Haslam Renaissance broke up, there were several "Renaissances" (Annie Haslam, Mike Dunford, etc.).  There is nothing to this, obviously.
>
> --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Brian Williams <williamsba@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Brian Williams <williamsba@...>
> Subject: Re: [JRAS] Re: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
> To: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 7:01 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Thanks Russ for your detailed reporting and diligence.  Brian 
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, garrettruss <garrettruss@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, it is POSSIBLE that Jane Relf could own the name...but I doubt it. If anything McCarty would have retained the name. But I think the name was sold to Annie years ago. I think someone is just having a bit of fun spreading these unfounded rumors around.
> Russ
> http://www.yardbird s.us
>
>
> --- In JRAS@yahoogroups. com, Fernando Higa <mancini_fan@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Russ:
> >
> > I gather that Jane could own the name because of Keith? Being his sister and also a member of the band....
> >
> > Fernando
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, garrettruss <garrettruss@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > From: garrettruss <garrettruss@ ...>
>
> > Subject: [JRAS] Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
> > To: JRAS@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 1:08 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It's not going to happen. The story is totally bogus. According to an e-mail that I received from Jim today he hasnt seen nor spoken to Jane in years.
> > I also doubt very seriously that Jane owns the name 'Renaissance' ...she was really a junior member of the group and I doubt that Jim would have ever given up right to the name.
> > Russ
> > www.yardbirds. us
> >
>



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#743 From: Marcello <rothery@...>
Date: Mon Oct 5, 2009 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty 		marcellorothery
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Though the Fire, for me, doesn't have much of the original Renaissance style. Maybe something in common with the second album (Illusions), songs like Love is All. All the lead vocals are done by Jim, Jane only sang backing vocals. The main reference are Louis' unique bass and Hawken's piano, they did a show, like always.

This is what I remember. I only listened to the cd two or three times, on a store. I still don't have it.

Marcello
  

2009/10/5 <Lambert1901@...>
 

Hello, everyone,

Now that "Through the Fire" has been brought up, and seemingly rarely in recent posts within our group, can someone answer each of these questions of mine?

(1)  why was nothing from "Through the Fire" included on "Jane Relf: Renaissance"? 

(2) Why is "Through the Fire" so rare/high-priced/few in number, in terms of availability for sale right now on amazon.com usa site? 

(3)  Why is the official amazon description of the album apparently quite inaccurate (although the Yardbirds group is mentioned in it)?  Is someone willing to notify amazon of their inaccuracy?

(4) Are there any files within our yahoo group evaluating "Through the Fire"?  Can a few of you comment on your assessment of the album?

(5) I've decided my favorite original releases featuring Jane are "Renaissance: Illusion" and presumably, since I loved the 6 Stairway tracks on "Jane's Renaissance", Stairway's "Moonstone" and "Raindancing" releases.  These latter two are CDs  available on amazon that I'm trying to budget to be able to buy soon.  But I'm thinking I'd love "Through the Fire".  So, what does it sound like: is "Through the Fire" reminiscent more than anything else, of either: Renaissance MKI, Illusion, or Stairway, or does it primarily go off into even a different direction?


Thanks, everyone,
Paul from Denver
"someone who has finally decided my 5 favorite rock bands/artists are: Jane Relf and her bands/projects, Steamhammer, Judy Dyble (whom as I indicated I've recently reviewed on amazon), Steve Kilbey, and The Moody Blues "


-----Original Message-----
From: garrettruss <garrettruss@...>
To: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:20 pm
Subject: [JRAS] Re: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty

 
Robert makes a few excellent points concerning ownership of the Renaissance name. In addition also consider the 'Renaissance Illusion' album 'Through The Fire' of just a few years ago. If Jane Relf owned the rights to the name the album would not have been billed as 'Renaissance Illusion' but simply as Renaissance. Whoever thinks that Jane 'owns' the name is mistaken.

--- In JRAS@yahoogroups.com, Robert Tierney <robtierney123@...> wrote:
>
> Oh, come on, people, if Jane owned the name Renaissance then why did her band return to the music scene as Illusion?  If she owned the name, then Annie Haslam and company would have had to use a different name for their band.  And when the Annie Haslam Renaissance broke up, there were several "Renaissances" (Annie Haslam, Mike Dunford, etc.).  There is nothing to this, obviously.
>
> --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Brian Williams <williamsba@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Brian Williams <williamsba@...>
> Subject: Re: [JRAS] Re: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
> To: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 7:01 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Thanks Russ for your detailed reporting and diligence.  Brian 
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, garrettruss <garrettruss@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, it is POSSIBLE that Jane Relf could own the name...but I doubt it. If anything McCarty would have retained the name. But I think the name was sold to Annie years ago. I think someone is just having a bit of fun spreading these unfounded rumors around.
> Russ
> http://www.yardbird s.us
>
>
> --- In JRAS@yahoogroups. com, Fernando Higa <mancini_fan@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Russ:
> >
> > I gather that Jane could own the name because of Keith? Being his sister and also a member of the band....
> >
> > Fernando
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, garrettruss <garrettruss@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > From: garrettruss <garrettruss@ ...>
>
> > Subject: [JRAS] Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
> > To: JRAS@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 1:08 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It's not going to happen. The story is totally bogus. According to an e-mail that I received from Jim today he hasnt seen nor spoken to Jane in years.
> > I also doubt very seriously that Jane owns the name 'Renaissance' ...she was really a junior member of the group and I doubt that Jim would have ever given up right to the name.
> > Russ
> > www.yardbirds. us
> >
>



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#742 From: Brian Williams <williamsba@...>
Date: Mon Oct 5, 2009 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: details re: Through the Fire 		bw858585
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Replies:
 
1) Jane has no lead vocals (or solo vocalise) on "Through the Fire."  Therefore, no tracks were included on Jane's Renaissance.
 
2) Small label (Kissing Spell), limited release, presumably out of print.
 
3) I don't know.  Anyone can contact Amazon with errors.
 
4-5) type in "through the fire" on the JRAS and also on the RenaissanceIllusionStairway Yahoo group search boxes (we don't have discussions on RIS anymore, since it's spam-vulnerable, but there's a big archive of photos and discussions), and see if any discussions come up about TTF.  I listened to it last month at the same time I got Jimbo's new solo release, and I LOVE Through the Fire (moreso than I realized years ago).  Jane's backing vocals are on about half of the tracks, and sound quite nice.  I especially love John Hawken's keyboards on TTF, and Jim's lyrics are right on target for what we face in this life.
 
bw
 


 
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:46 PM, <Lambert1901@...> wrote:
 

Hello, everyone,

Now that "Through the Fire" has been brought up, and seemingly rarely in recent posts within our group, can someone answer each of these questions of mine?

(1)  why was nothing from "Through the Fire" included on "Jane Relf: Renaissance"? 

(2) Why is "Through the Fire" so rare/high-priced/few in number, in terms of availability for sale right now on amazon.com usa site? 

(3)  Why is the official amazon description of the album apparently quite inaccurate (although the Yardbirds group is mentioned in it)?  Is someone willing to notify amazon of their inaccuracy?

(4) Are there any files within our yahoo group evaluating "Through the Fire"?  Can a few of you comment on your assessment of the album?

(5) I've decided my favorite original releases featuring Jane are "Renaissance: Illusion" and presumably, since I loved the 6 Stairway tracks on "Jane's Renaissance", Stairway's "Moonstone" and "Raindancing" releases.  These latter two are CDs  available on amazon that I'm trying to budget to be able to buy soon.  But I'm thinking I'd love "Through the Fire".  So, what does it sound like: is "Through the Fire" reminiscent more than anything else, of either: Renaissance MKI, Illusion, or Stairway, or does it primarily go off into even a different direction?


Thanks, everyone,
Paul from Denver
"someone who has finally decided my 5 favorite rock bands/artists are: Jane Relf and her bands/projects, Steamhammer, Judy Dyble (whom as I indicated I've recently reviewed on amazon), Steve Kilbey, and The Moody Blues "


-----Original Message-----
From: garrettruss <garrettruss@...>
To: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:20 pm
Subject: [JRAS] Re: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty

 
Robert makes a few excellent points concerning ownership of the Renaissance name. In addition also consider the 'Renaissance Illusion' album 'Through The Fire' of just a few years ago. If Jane Relf owned the rights to the name the album would not have been billed as 'Renaissance Illusion' but simply as Renaissance. Whoever thinks that Jane 'owns' the name is mistaken.

--- In JRAS@yahoogroups.com, Robert Tierney <robtierney123@...> wrote:
>
> Oh, come on, people, if Jane owned the name Renaissance then why did her band return to the music scene as Illusion?  If she owned the name, then Annie Haslam and company would have had to use a different name for their band.  And when the Annie Haslam Renaissance broke up, there were several "Renaissances" (Annie Haslam, Mike Dunford, etc.).  There is nothing to this, obviously.
>
> --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Brian Williams <williamsba@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Brian Williams <williamsba@...>
> Subject: Re: [JRAS] Re: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
> To: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 7:01 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Thanks Russ for your detailed reporting and diligence.  Brian 
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, garrettruss <garrettruss@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, it is POSSIBLE that Jane Relf could own the name...but I doubt it. If anything McCarty would have retained the name. But I think the name was sold to Annie years ago. I think someone is just having a bit of fun spreading these unfounded rumors around.
> Russ
> http://www.yardbird s.us
>
>
> --- In JRAS@yahoogroups. com, Fernando Higa <mancini_fan@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Russ:
> >
> > I gather that Jane could own the name because of Keith? Being his sister and also a member of the band....
> >
> > Fernando
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, garrettruss <garrettruss@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > From: garrettruss <garrettruss@ ...>
>
> > Subject: [JRAS] Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
> > To: JRAS@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 1:08 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It's not going to happen. The story is totally bogus. According to an e-mail that I received from Jim today he hasnt seen nor spoken to Jane in years.
> > I also doubt very seriously that Jane owns the name 'Renaissance' ...she was really a junior member of the group and I doubt that Jim would have ever given up right to the name.
> > Russ
> > www.yardbirds. us
> >
>



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#741 From: Lambert1901@...
Date: Mon Oct 5, 2009 6:46 pm
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Hello, everyone,

Now that "Through the Fire" has been brought up, and seemingly rarely in recent posts within our group, can someone answer each of these questions of mine?

(1)  why was nothing from "Through the Fire" included on "Jane Relf: Renaissance"? 

(2) Why is "Through the Fire" so rare/high-priced/few in number, in terms of availability for sale right now on amazon.com usa site? 

(3)  Why is the official amazon description of the album apparently quite inaccurate (although the Yardbirds group is mentioned in it)?  Is someone willing to notify amazon of their inaccuracy?

(4) Are there any files within our yahoo group evaluating "Through the Fire"?  Can a few of you comment on your assessment of the album?

(5) I've decided my favorite original releases featuring Jane are "Renaissance: Illusion" and presumably, since I loved the 6 Stairway tracks on "Jane's Renaissance", Stairway's "Moonstone" and "Raindancing" releases.  These latter two are CDs  available on amazon that I'm trying to budget to be able to buy soon.  But I'm thinking I'd love "Through the Fire".  So, what does it sound like: is "Through the Fire" reminiscent more than anything else, of either: Renaissance MKI, Illusion, or Stairway, or does it primarily go off into even a different direction?


Thanks, everyone,
Paul from Denver
"someone who has finally decided my 5 favorite rock bands/artists are: Jane Relf and her bands/projects, Steamhammer, Judy Dyble (whom as I indicated I've recently reviewed on amazon), Steve Kilbey, and The Moody Blues "


-----Original Message-----
From: garrettruss <garrettruss@...>
To: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:20 pm
Subject: [JRAS] Re: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty

 
Robert makes a few excellent points concerning ownership of the Renaissance name. In addition also consider the 'Renaissance Illusion' album 'Through The Fire' of just a few years ago. If Jane Relf owned the rights to the name the album would not have been billed as 'Renaissance Illusion' but simply as Renaissance. Whoever thinks that Jane 'owns' the name is mistaken.

--- In JRAS@yahoogroups.com, Robert Tierney <robtierney123@...> wrote:
>
> Oh, come on, people, if Jane owned the name Renaissance then why did her band return to the music scene as Illusion?  If she owned the name, then Annie Haslam and company would have had to use a different name for their band.  And when the Annie Haslam Renaissance broke up, there were several "Renaissances" (Annie Haslam, Mike Dunford, etc.).  There is nothing to this, obviously.
>
> --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Brian Williams <williamsba@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Brian Williams <williamsba@...>
> Subject: Re: [JRAS] Re: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
> To: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 7:01 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Thanks Russ for your detailed reporting and diligence.  Brian 
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, garrettruss <garrettruss@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Yes, it is POSSIBLE that Jane Relf could own the name...but I doubt it. If anything McCarty would have retained the name. But I think the name was sold to Annie years ago. I think someone is just having a bit of fun spreading these unfounded rumors around.
> Russ
> http://www.yardbird s.us
>
>
> --- In JRAS@yahoogroups. com, Fernando Higa <mancini_fan@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Russ:
> >
> > I gather that Jane could own the name because of Keith? Being his sister and also a member of the band....
> >
> > Fernando
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, garrettruss <garrettruss@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > From: garrettruss <garrettruss@ ...>
>
> > Subject: [JRAS] Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
> > To: JRAS@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 1:08 PM
> >
> >
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> >
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> > It's not going to happen. The story is totally bogus. According to an e-mail that I received from Jim today he hasnt seen nor spoken to Jane in years.
> > I also doubt very seriously that Jane owns the name 'Renaissance' ...she was really a junior member of the group and I doubt that Jim would have ever given up right to the name.
> > Russ
> > www.yardbirds. us
> >
>


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#740 From: "garrettruss" <garrettruss@...>
Date: Mon Oct 5, 2009 6:20 pm
Subject: Re: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty 		garrettruss
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Robert makes a few excellent points concerning ownership of the Renaissance
name. In addition also consider the 'Renaissance Illusion' album 'Through The
Fire' of just a few years ago. If Jane Relf owned the rights to the name the
album would not have been billed as 'Renaissance Illusion' but simply as
Renaissance. Whoever thinks that Jane 'owns' the name is mistaken.

--- In JRAS@yahoogroups.com, Robert Tierney <robtierney123@...> wrote:
>
> Oh, come on, people, if Jane owned the name Renaissance then why did her
band return to the music scene as Illusion?  If she owned the name, then Annie
Haslam and company would have had to use a different name for their band.  And
when the Annie Haslam Renaissance broke up, there were several "Renaissances"
(Annie Haslam, Mike Dunford, etc.).  There is nothing to this, obviously.
>
> --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Brian Williams <williamsba@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Brian Williams <williamsba@...>
> Subject: Re: [JRAS] Re: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
> To: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 7:01 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Thanks Russ for your detailed reporting and diligence.  Brian 
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, garrettruss <garrettruss@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, it is POSSIBLE that Jane Relf could own the name...but I doubt it. If
anything McCarty would have retained the name. But I think the name was sold to
Annie years ago. I think someone is just having a bit of fun spreading these
unfounded rumors around.
> Russ
> http://www.yardbird s.us
>
>
> --- In JRAS@yahoogroups. com, Fernando Higa <mancini_fan@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Russ:
> >
> > I gather that Jane could own the name because of Keith? Being his sister and
also a member of the band....
> >
> > Fernando
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, garrettruss <garrettruss@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > From: garrettruss <garrettruss@ ...>
>
> > Subject: [JRAS] Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
> > To: JRAS@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 1:08 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It's not going to happen. The story is totally bogus. According to an e-mail
that I received from Jim today he hasnt seen nor spoken to Jane in years.
> > I also doubt very seriously that Jane owns the name 'Renaissance' ...she was
really a junior member of the group and I doubt that Jim would have ever given
up right to the name.
> > Russ
> > www.yardbirds. us
> >
>

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#739 From: Brian Williams <williamsba@...>
Date: Mon Oct 5, 2009 5:15 pm
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The point is that a rumor was started, presented to the JRAS for vetting, and largely disproven.  For matters involving Jane Relf, we aim to authenticate any statements that address her, her band, or related issues.  Michael, who started the described rumor, is an avid Ren Mark 2 fan, who was in telephone contact with Betty Thatcher Newsinger.  He is certainly to be credited for having access to discuss things by phone with a legendary lyricist (most of us don't!).  
 
As this board knows, 5-6 years was spent transforming the "dream" of a Jane Relf box set (Jane's Renaissance) into reality.  Those active on this board were patient and supportive during the transformation of a "rumor" into reality.  Whether something comes from all this (Betty Thatcher new writings, and possibilities from there translating into a releasable music album) certainly can be exciting to avid fans such as us.  It is interesting the life a rumor takes, and the passion that is generated among fans of this music.
 
"Renaissance 2009" with Haslam, Dunford, et al., is what likely generated all of this new interest in Betty Thatcher's whereabouts.  All we can hope is that this tour stimulates the interests of a new generation fans for Mark 2, especially Mark 1, and untimately, the Yardbirds and all their other offshoots (Steamhammer, Armageddon, anything Keith Relf and Jim McCarty ever laid their hands on or lent their talents to).  We can certainly hope for new material, new vocal appearances, rejuvenated voices, and so on.  But in an era of new music that may not lend itself to legacy, let's continue to introduce new fans to what we now consider "the classics."
 
Best regards to all.
 
Brian Williams
JRAS
"Fantasies turning into Truth"


 
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:17 PM, David Barrett <midnight_dvb@...> wrote:
 

I'd agree.

So who is "Michael" who wrote with such assurance: "Yes my friends if you missed one of my other post the name Renaissance is the sole property of Jane Relf" on renaissance-group@yahoogroups.com?

David


Robert Tierney wrote:
 

Oh, come on, people, if Jane owned the name Renaissance then why did her band return to the music scene as Illusion?  If she owned the name, then Annie Haslam and company would have had to use a different name for their band.  And when the Annie Haslam Renaissance broke up, there were several "Renaissances" (Annie Haslam, Mike Dunford, etc.).  There is nothing to this, obviously.

--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Brian Williams <williamsba@...> wrote:

From: Brian Williams <williamsba@...>
Subject: Re: [JRAS] Re: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
To: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 7:01 PM

 
Thanks Russ for your detailed reporting and diligence.  Brian 

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, garrettruss <garrettruss@ yahoo.com> wrote:
 


Yes, it is POSSIBLE that Jane Relf could own the name...but I doubt it. If anything McCarty would have retained the name. But I think the name was sold to Annie years ago. I think someone is just having a bit of fun spreading these unfounded rumors around.
Russ
http://www.yardbird s.us

--- In JRAS@yahoogroups. com, Fernando Higa <mancini_fan@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Russ:
>
> I gather that Jane could own the name because of Keith? Being his sister and also a member of the band....
>
> Fernando
>
>
> --- On Sat, 10/3/09, garrettruss <garrettruss@ ...> wrote:
>
> From: garrettruss <garrettruss@ ...>

> Subject: [JRAS] Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
> To: JRAS@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 1:08 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> It's not going to happen. The story is totally bogus. According to an e-mail that I received from Jim today he hasnt seen nor spoken to Jane in years.
> I also doubt very seriously that Jane owns the name 'Renaissance' ...she was really a junior member of the group and I doubt that Jim would have ever given up right to the name.
> Russ
> www.yardbirds. us
>





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#738 From: David Barrett <midnight_dvb@...>
Date: Mon Oct 5, 2009 4:17 pm
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I'd agree.

So who is "Michael" who wrote with such assurance: "Yes my friends if you missed one of my other post the name Renaissance is the sole property of Jane Relf" on renaissance-group@yahoogroups.com?

David


Robert Tierney wrote:
 

Oh, come on, people, if Jane owned the name Renaissance then why did her band return to the music scene as Illusion?  If she owned the name, then Annie Haslam and company would have had to use a different name for their band.  And when the Annie Haslam Renaissance broke up, there were several "Renaissances" (Annie Haslam, Mike Dunford, etc.).  There is nothing to this, obviously.

--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Brian Williams <williamsba@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Brian Williams <williamsba@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [JRAS] Re: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
To: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 7:01 PM

 
Thanks Russ for your detailed reporting and diligence.  Brian 

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, garrettruss <garrettruss@ yahoo.com> wrote:
 


Yes, it is POSSIBLE that Jane Relf could own the name...but I doubt it. If anything McCarty would have retained the name. But I think the name was sold to Annie years ago. I think someone is just having a bit of fun spreading these unfounded rumors around.
Russ
http://www.yardbird s.us

--- In JRAS@yahoogroups. com, Fernando Higa <mancini_fan@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Russ:
>
> I gather that Jane could own the name because of Keith? Being his sister and also a member of the band....
>
> Fernando
>
>
> --- On Sat, 10/3/09, garrettruss <garrettruss@ ...> wrote:
>
> From: garrettruss <garrettruss@ ...>

> Subject: [JRAS] Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
> To: JRAS@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 1:08 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> It's not going to happen. The story is totally bogus. According to an e-mail that I received from Jim today he hasnt seen nor spoken to Jane in years.
> I also doubt very seriously that Jane owns the name 'Renaissance' ...she was really a junior member of the group and I doubt that Jim would have ever given up right to the name.
> Russ
> www.yardbirds. us
>


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#737 From: Robert Tierney <robtierney123@...>
Date: Mon Oct 5, 2009 3:33 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty 		robtierney123
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Oh, come on, people, if Jane owned the name Renaissance then why did her band return to the music scene as Illusion?  If she owned the name, then Annie Haslam and company would have had to use a different name for their band.  And when the Annie Haslam Renaissance broke up, there were several "Renaissances" (Annie Haslam, Mike Dunford, etc.).  There is nothing to this, obviously.

--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Brian Williams <williamsba@...> wrote:

From: Brian Williams <williamsba@...>
Subject: Re: [JRAS] Re: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
To: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 7:01 PM

 
Thanks Russ for your detailed reporting and diligence.  Brian 

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, garrettruss <garrettruss@ yahoo.com> wrote:
 


Yes, it is POSSIBLE that Jane Relf could own the name...but I doubt it. If anything McCarty would have retained the name. But I think the name was sold to Annie years ago. I think someone is just having a bit of fun spreading these unfounded rumors around.
Russ
http://www.yardbird s.us

--- In JRAS@yahoogroups. com, Fernando Higa <mancini_fan@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Russ:
>
> I gather that Jane could own the name because of Keith? Being his sister and also a member of the band....
>
> Fernando
>
>
> --- On Sat, 10/3/09, garrettruss <garrettruss@ ...> wrote:
>
> From: garrettruss <garrettruss@ ...>

> Subject: [JRAS] Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
> To: JRAS@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 1:08 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> It's not going to happen. The story is totally bogus. According to an e-mail that I received from Jim today he hasnt seen nor spoken to Jane in years.
> I also doubt very seriously that Jane owns the name 'Renaissance' ...she was really a junior member of the group and I doubt that Jim would have ever given up right to the name.
> Russ
> www.yardbirds. us
>




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#736 From: Brian Williams <williamsba@...>
Date: Sat Oct 3, 2009 11:01 pm
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Thanks Russ for your detailed reporting and diligence.  Brian 

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, garrettruss <garrettruss@...> wrote:
 



Yes, it is POSSIBLE that Jane Relf could own the name...but I doubt it. If anything McCarty would have retained the name. But I think the name was sold to Annie years ago. I think someone is just having a bit of fun spreading these unfounded rumors around.
Russ
http://www.yardbirds.us


--- In JRAS@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Higa <mancini_fan@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Russ:
>
> I gather that Jane could own the name because of Keith? Being his sister and also a member of the band....
>
> Fernando
>
>
> --- On Sat, 10/3/09, garrettruss <garrettruss@...> wrote:
>
> From: garrettruss <garrettruss@...>

> Subject: [JRAS] Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
> To: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 1:08 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> It's not going to happen. The story is totally bogus. According to an e-mail that I received from Jim today he hasnt seen nor spoken to Jane in years.
> I also doubt very seriously that Jane owns the name 'Renaissance' ...she was really a junior member of the group and I doubt that Jim would have ever given up right to the name.
> Russ
> www.yardbirds. us
>



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#735 From: "garrettruss" <garrettruss@...>
Date: Sat Oct 3, 2009 10:07 pm
Subject: Re: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty 		garrettruss
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Yes, it is POSSIBLE that Jane Relf could own the name...but I doubt it. If
anything McCarty would have retained the name. But I think the name was sold to
Annie years ago. I think someone is just having a bit of fun spreading these
unfounded rumors around.
Russ
http://www.yardbirds.us

--- In JRAS@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Higa <mancini_fan@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Russ:
>
> I gather that Jane could own the name because of Keith? Being his sister and
also a member of the band....
>
> Fernando
>
>
> --- On Sat, 10/3/09, garrettruss <garrettruss@...> wrote:
>
> From: garrettruss <garrettruss@...>
> Subject: [JRAS] Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
> To: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 1:08 PM
>
>
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>
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>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>                   It's not going to happen. The story is totally bogus.
According to an e-mail that I received from Jim today he hasnt seen nor spoken
to Jane in years.
> I also doubt very seriously that Jane owns the name 'Renaissance' ...she was
really a junior member of the group and I doubt that Jim would have ever given
up right to the name.
> Russ
> www.yardbirds. us
>

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#734 From: "Rick E. Barnes Jr." <avalonrick@...>
Date: Sat Oct 3, 2009 7:21 pm
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no should could not own the name never did.  It ws signed over years and years ago. Like 1970. (LOL)
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Subject: Re: [JRAS] Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty

 

Hi Russ:

I gather that Jane could own the name because of Keith? Being his sister and also a member of the band....

Fernando


--- On Sat, 10/3/09, garrettruss <garrettruss@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: garrettruss <garrettruss@yahoo.com>
Subject: [JRAS] Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
To: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 1:08 PM

 

It's not going to happen. The story is totally bogus. According to an e-mail that I received from Jim today he hasnt seen nor spoken to Jane in years.

I also doubt very seriously that Jane owns the name 'Renaissance' ...she was really a junior member of the group and I doubt that Jim would have ever given up right to the name.

Russ

www.yardbirds. us



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#733 From: Fernando Higa <mancini_fan@...>
Date: Sat Oct 3, 2009 6:40 pm
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Hi Russ:

I gather that Jane could own the name because of Keith? Being his sister and also a member of the band....

Fernando


--- On Sat, 10/3/09, garrettruss <garrettruss@...> wrote:

From: garrettruss <garrettruss@...>
Subject: [JRAS] Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty
To: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 1:08 PM

 

It's not going to happen. The story is totally bogus. According to an e-mail that I received from Jim today he hasnt seen nor spoken to Jane in years.

I also doubt very seriously that Jane owns the name 'Renaissance' ...she was really a junior member of the group and I doubt that Jim would have ever given up right to the name.

Russ

www.yardbirds. us



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#732 From: "garrettruss" <garrettruss@...>
Date: Sat Oct 3, 2009 6:11 pm
Subject: Also untrue (Alice Cooper) 		garrettruss
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Alice Cooper does NOT pay royalties to the former members of the original group.
I have known drummer Neal Smith for many years and he has told me that he gets
NOTHING from Alice.

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#731 From: "garrettruss" <garrettruss@...>
Date: Sat Oct 3, 2009 6:08 pm
Subject: Nothing happening with Relf & McCarty 		garrettruss
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It's not going to happen. The story is totally bogus. According to an e-mail that I received from Jim today he hasnt seen nor spoken to Jane in years.

I also doubt very seriously that Jane owns the name 'Renaissance'...she was really a junior member of the group and I doubt that Jim would have ever given up right to the name.

Russ

www.yardbirds.us


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#730 From: "bw858585" <williamsba@...>
Date: Sat Oct 3, 2009 11:40 am
Subject: Interesting analysis by "Robert"- thought it was worth presenting - Comments? 		bw858585
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--- In renaissance-group@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <megacalm@...> wrote: 
(edited for grammar, spelling, and punctuation)

>Yes my friends, if you missed one of my other posts, the name Renaissance is
the sole property of Jane Relf. Betty assured me that Jane's voice is as good as
ever.

I came across this interesting reference to ownership of band names while
reading up on Alice Cooper.

The actual ownership of the Alice Cooper name is often cited[citation needed] by
intellectual property lawyers and law professors as an example of the value of a
single copyright or trademark. Since "Alice Cooper" was originally the name of
the band, and not the lead singer (e.g. Uriah Heep, Jethro Tull, etc.), and it
was actually owned by the band as whole, Cooper paid, and continues to pay, a
yearly royalty to his original bandmates for the right to use the name
commercially. Although the exact amount is not known, insiders agree that it is
a significant enough sum for the other band members to live comfortably
on.[citation needed]

Here's the actual link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Cooper#Personal_life

I wonder if Annie and company should be paying royalties to Jane Relf, that is
profits from the concerts? And is she getting royalties from music sales?

Robert

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#729 From: "garrettruss" <garrettruss@...>
Date: Fri Oct 2, 2009 9:43 pm
Subject: McCarty & Jane Relf? 		garrettruss
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I have e-mailed Jim about this rumor about him and Jane working together again.
I'll let you know what he says. In the meantime check out some new rock n roll
from Jimbo at http://www.yardbirds.us
A collaboration with former Animals guitarist Hilton Valentine and former
bandmate John Hawken from Renaissance. Dave walker (Savoy Brown) on vocals. A
nice rendering of the Graham Gouldman song 'You Stole My Love'
Cheers,
Russ Garrett

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#728 From: David Barrett <midnight_dvb@...>
Date: Fri Oct 2, 2009 10:32 am
Subject: Re: Fwd: [renaissance-group] Digest Number 1106 		midnight_dvb
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Thanks for the (possible) news.
A new Jane Relf/Renaissance-Illusion album would be a great treat.  Let's hope.

David

Brian Williams wrote:
 

Folks, I forward the following rumor.  My advice would be to not get too geared up out of the fear of disappointment if things don't pan out.  If I find out anything that I am allowed to share, I will do so.  Brian

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Something  strange  may be brewing

Posted by: "Michael" ecrocker1@yahoo.com   ecrocker1

Thu Oct 1, 2009 2:52 pm (PDT)



I just had an interesting phone call the other morning. My cell phone went off and there was no call ID on it so I took a chance and there was a female voice with a British accent on the other end and low and behold it was not Annie it was none other then the Lovely Betty Thatcher ringing me from her hideaway in England. It came out of the blue after I sent her an e-mail with the latest new and the link to the WFUV interview with Pete Fornatel, Annie Haslam and Michael D.

She also told me the Mr Tout is back home after spending time with Betty and a friend. From what I was told John was never asked if he wanted to be part of this Renaissance go round. John also told me on the phone 2 weeks ago that he did not want to deal with the pressure and petty bickering. Lets leave it at that.

What may be brewing is not a colaberation Between Betty and Micheal. I hope you are all sitting down for this one. Betty may be writing for Jane Relf and Jim Macarty. Hows that for a strange but nice brew. I wonder if an album/cd will come out of it and wondering even more if it will come out under the name Renaissance. Yes my friends if you missed one of my other post the name Renaissance is the sole property of Jane Relf. Betty assured me that Janes voice is as good as ever. I really hope this happens and John Tout is invited back to Renaissance.

Cheers

Michael

1b.

Re: Something  strange  may be brewing

Posted by: "Jean-Luc Delcoux" jldelcoux@skynet.be   jldelcoux

Thu Oct 1, 2009 5:36 pm (PDT)



Great! Great news!

Jean-Luc

1c.

Re: Something  strange  may be brewing

Posted by: "Paul Perner" ravensdawn@earthlink.net   radiofreeraven

Thu Oct 1, 2009 10:16 pm (PDT)



Thank you for the good news.

So many people say so much is wrong with this world.
Yes, there are bumps and traedies on the road of life, but
music makes the hurts not hurt as bad. I happy for you
and happy for all the Ren fans. A clear cool breeze
just swept over the meadow.

Paul Perner

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael
To: renaissance-group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:51 PM
Subject: [renaissance-group] Something strange may be brewing

I just had an interesting phone call the other morning. My cell phone went off and there was no call ID on it so I took a chance and there was a female voice with a British accent on the other end and low and behold it was not Annie it was none other then the Lovely Betty Thatcher ringing me from her hideaway in England. It came out of the blue after I sent her an e-mail with the latest new and the link to the WFUV interview with Pete Fornatel, Annie Haslam and Michael D.

She also told me the Mr Tout is back home after spending time with Betty and a friend. From what I was told John was never asked if he wanted to be part of this Renaissance go round. John also told me on the phone 2 weeks ago that he did not want to deal with the pressure and petty bickering. Lets leave it at that.

What may be brewing is not a colaberation Between Betty and Micheal. I hope you are all sitting down for this one. Betty may be writing for Jane Relf and Jim Macarty. Hows that for a strange but nice brew. I wonder if an album/cd will come out of it and wondering even more if it will come out under the name Renaissance. Yes my friends if you missed one of my other post the name Renaissance is the sole property of Jane Relf. Betty assured me that Janes voice is as good as ever. I really hope this happens and John Tout is invited back to Renaissance.

Cheers

Michael

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#727 From: Brian Williams <williamsba@...>
Date: Fri Oct 2, 2009 10:17 am
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Folks, I forward the following rumor.  My advice would be to not get too geared up out of the fear of disappointment if things don't pan out.  If I find out anything that I am allowed to share, I will do so.  Brian

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Something  strange  may be brewing

Posted by: "Michael" ecrocker1@...   ecrocker1

Thu Oct 1, 2009 2:52 pm (PDT)



I just had an interesting phone call the other morning. My cell phone went off and there was no call ID on it so I took a chance and there was a female voice with a British accent on the other end and low and behold it was not Annie it was none other then the Lovely Betty Thatcher ringing me from her hideaway in England. It came out of the blue after I sent her an e-mail with the latest new and the link to the WFUV interview with Pete Fornatel, Annie Haslam and Michael D.

She also told me the Mr Tout is back home after spending time with Betty and a friend. From what I was told John was never asked if he wanted to be part of this Renaissance go round. John also told me on the phone 2 weeks ago that he did not want to deal with the pressure and petty bickering. Lets leave it at that.

What may be brewing is not a colaberation Between Betty and Micheal. I hope you are all sitting down for this one. Betty may be writing for Jane Relf and Jim Macarty. Hows that for a strange but nice brew. I wonder if an album/cd will come out of it and wondering even more if it will come out under the name Renaissance. Yes my friends if you missed one of my other post the name Renaissance is the sole property of Jane Relf. Betty assured me that Janes voice is as good as ever. I really hope this happens and John Tout is invited back to Renaissance.

Cheers

Michael

1b.

Re: Something  strange  may be brewing

Posted by: "Jean-Luc Delcoux" jldelcoux@...   jldelcoux

Thu Oct 1, 2009 5:36 pm (PDT)



Great! Great news!

Jean-Luc

1c.

Re: Something  strange  may be brewing

Posted by: "Paul Perner" ravensdawn@...   radiofreeraven

Thu Oct 1, 2009 10:16 pm (PDT)



Thank you for the good news.

So many people say so much is wrong with this world.
Yes, there are bumps and traedies on the road of life, but
music makes the hurts not hurt as bad. I happy for you
and happy for all the Ren fans. A clear cool breeze
just swept over the meadow.

Paul Perner

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael
To: renaissance-group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:51 PM
Subject: [renaissance-group] Something strange may be brewing

I just had an interesting phone call the other morning. My cell phone went off and there was no call ID on it so I took a chance and there was a female voice with a British accent on the other end and low and behold it was not Annie it was none other then the Lovely Betty Thatcher ringing me from her hideaway in England. It came out of the blue after I sent her an e-mail with the latest new and the link to the WFUV interview with Pete Fornatel, Annie Haslam and Michael D.

She also told me the Mr Tout is back home after spending time with Betty and a friend. From what I was told John was never asked if he wanted to be part of this Renaissance go round. John also told me on the phone 2 weeks ago that he did not want to deal with the pressure and petty bickering. Lets leave it at that.

What may be brewing is not a colaberation Between Betty and Micheal. I hope you are all sitting down for this one. Betty may be writing for Jane Relf and Jim Macarty. Hows that for a strange but nice brew. I wonder if an album/cd will come out of it and wondering even more if it will come out under the name Renaissance. Yes my friends if you missed one of my other post the name Renaissance is the sole property of Jane Relf. Betty assured me that Janes voice is as good as ever. I really hope this happens and John Tout is invited back to Renaissance.

Cheers

Michael

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#726 From: JRAS@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Oct 1, 2009 12:21 pm
Subject: File - JRAS Monthly Autopost 		JRAS@yahoogroups.com
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This is a monthly autopost to prevent Yahoo from deleting this group (a fan
club, as it were) from inactivity.

The JRAS is responsible for producing the comprehensive Jane Relf 2-cd
compilation called "Jane's Renaissance," from Renaissance Records USA. The
tracklist is available both at the label's website and at amazon.com.

Label: http://cdthen.net/janerelf.html
Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/5ne6gd
or http://amazon.com/dp/B001GF9MA2

The JRAS is also has the following web features in the "Files" section:

1) "A 15 Year History" - written in a Barry Miles style, this brief pictorial
history of Renaissance, Illusion, and Jane Relf is likely one of the most
concise histories of these artists available on the internet.

2) "Songs" - contains the rarities Carpet of the Sun, High Mountain, Won't You
Come Along, Kellogg's Country Store (advertisement), and an intriguing vocal
warmup in rehearsal that transitions from Silent Night, to Happy Xmas, to Gone
Fishing.  Plus, there is a special Mpeg video of the Coca Cola television
advertisement that gained very wide critical and public acclaim in 1971, in
which Jane was a participant.

3) YouTube links - Feel free to contribute YouTube links to this folder!  Thanks
to Josh for producing some wonderful tribute videos to Jane and the band!

4) Jane's Renaissance Reviews - We will try to find reviews and or links to
posted comments about the Jane's Renaissance release, and post them here.

All kinds of goodies on the JRAS.  Check in and see!

Two other websites of possible interest:

A site for discussion on all matters Renaissance-Illusion:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/RenIll/
(no archive or memorabilia - but spam-free discussion)

A site with extensive memorabilia, but an unused discussion (spam) board:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RenaissanceIllusionStairway/
(do not subscribe to email from this site, just use the archive)

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#725 From: Brian Williams <williamsba@...>
Date: Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:14 pm
Subject: Fwd: [RenaissanceIllusionStairway] MICHAEL DUNFORD INTERVIEW 		bw858585
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Please see below. bw

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Date: Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Subject: [RenaissanceIllusionStairway] MICHAEL DUNFORD INTERVIEW
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Hello all: I had the great pleasure of interviewing Michael this morning, my article with his comments on the upcoming Renaissance tour is at this link. Enjoy.

http://midliferocker.com/



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#724 From: Brian Williams <williamsba@...>
Date: Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:07 am
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I think Joe did an on-target review.  I like the album, but it is a bit of a departure from Through the Fire and Out of the Dark.  Top of Time is intimate and personal in ways different from TTF, specifically.  I never thought Jim could record anything more intimate/personal than TTF (e.g., "My Old Friend" recounting his being ignored by Eric Clapton when the Yardbirds were being inducted at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Ceremony), Top of Time is a peaceful personal journey with strategically sparse production that in the end renders it as nicely intimate and personal, in ways different from what was present on TTF's intimacy (the production of which being more layered in its midtempo pace, illustrated best by the crescendo intro to the opening TTF track "Another Turn of the Wheel").  Both Top of Time and TTF complement each other, but Top of Time should not be anticipated as a "logical follow up" to TTF.  Top of Time is its own creation from a masterful muse.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Jean-Luc Delcoux <jldelcoux@...> wrote:
 

Album review at Northern Lights:

http://www.nlightsweb.com/lib/reviews/toptime.rev.htm

Another one, in french, in the free webzine Vapeur Mauve:

http://www.rock6070.com/Vapeur.html

Jean-Luc



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