Regarding Badge
   As I mentioned.. I JUST submitted it, so it has not appeared
on our internal letters of intent yet, BUT,
Since I am  a Herald but not great at blazons, we have this:

Yes it is fieldless.

I couldn't just register music notes, abstract charges didnt'
work, so I put them on a book

Fieldless, an open book proper with music notes.

I have to get the Heralds to write it up properly, but that is
how it was submitted.

I went through some conflicts on the EK Heralds list prior to
submitting the badge, so I think I took it through most problems
already so I hope that it will pass.  It went through about 4
changes already.

I see no reason why not to use it and, if, after a while if it
does NOT pass, then it's back to the drawing board.

I was hoping to get some feedback,

I am only one small cog in this choir, so, do you like it?  Can
you use it? ya think?  does it suit us?

I tried to choose something that was simple, fieldless and with
that, I thougth that we could use it as an actual badge or favor
for each Kingdom.

In the east, our color is blue, so the badge might sit on a blue
belt tag with the book outline in black, or even in white.  We
could take artistic liberties of course once passed.

Ultimately I would like it to be familiar as a symbol to be used
on web pages, programs, posters and the like, sort of like a
Guild.

Enjoy

erlan

Regarding Badge
  As I mentioned.. I JUST submitted it, so it has not appeared
on our internal letters of intent yet, BUT,
Since I am  a Herald but not great at blazons, we have this:

Yes it is fieldless.

I couldn't just register music notes, abstract charges didnt'
work, so I put them on a book

Fieldless, an open book proper with music notes.

I have to get the Heralds to write it up properly, but that is
how it was submitted.

I went through some conflicts on the EK Heralds list prior to
submitting the badge, so I think I took it through most problems
already so I hope that it will pass.  It went through about 4
changes already.

I see no reason why not to use it and, if, after a while if it
does NOT pass, then it's back to the drawing board.

I was hoping to get some feedback,

I am only one small cog in this choir, so, do you like it?  Can
you use it? ya think?  does it suit us? 

I tried to choose something that was simple, fieldless and with
that, I thougth that we could use it as an actual badge or favor
for each Kingdom. 

In the east, our color is blue, so the badge might sit on a blue
belt tag with the book outline in black, or even in white.  We
could take artistic liberties of course once passed. 

Ultimately I would like it to be familiar as a symbol to be used
on web pages, programs, posters and the like, sort of like a
Guild.

Enjoy

erlan

I misunderstood and thought it had been passed.
>
>   As a rules geek, I must admit that I don't think that we
> should use it wholesale until it passes.  However, it can
> certainly go on the Pennsic Choir web page as "art."

I know what you mean, me being a Herald, I get nervous about it
passing, BUT, it's a musical symbol that can be used as art and
it's up to the individual on how they would ike to use it.
............so yes, I suopse that a red background would be most
suitable for this year's Pennsic!!!  I kinda like the idea of a
red background too!!
>
>   I like the idea of a fieldless badge.  That allows people to
> put whatever color works for them behind it, or for different
> wars to have different "signature" field colors.  Since I'm
> from AEthelmearc, I lean toward a red background for Pennsic,
> but YMMV.
>

I am of the belief that once it passes the Eastern ILOI and
moves onto Society level, I believe that it will pass.  I did so
much conflict checking and throwing it on to lists that unless
they find something really  wrong with it, it should pass.

But enjoy for now!!

Now that the dust has settled and we've had a chance to glow in the
warm memories, I'd like to raise a little problem that happened to us
this year at Estrella.  We advertise that to join us all you need to
do is be able to carry a tune and keep a beat.

I'm not sure how we could have best handled it, but I can't believe
that the situation has not arisen before in the history of the Known
World Choir.

We had a lady join us at rehearsal who could not sing.  She sang an
octave above everybody else and in a different key.  The sound was
immediately off.  Some of our stronger sopranos gathered near her and
sang so as to give her guidance, but she could or would not follow.

I could hear that something was off and I commented during the
rehearsal that it was happening.  Post-rehearsal, the sopranos came to
me and identified the lady in question.

When she arrived at the next rehearsal, before she could enter the
area, I drew her aside and explained the problem.  I tried to be
diplomatic and express it in terms of it not being a successful match
between singer and group, but she was very upset and fled in tears.

During the rehearsal, I was approached by her Father who wanted to
know (a) why couldn't anybody sing with us no matter what, (b) who did
I think I was to say his little girl couldn't sing, and (c) this
wasn't the end of this.  He later returned with his seneschal.
Luckily, the Atenveldt Kingdom seneschal is one of our tenors and was
able to smooth things over with the other officer.  We discussed ways
of strengthening the language about basic abilities to join the chorus.

Some of the sopranos wanted to take the lady and work with her.  I
fretted all evening about how upset she had been and what I could have
done differently, that I was not willing to harm the choir or its
performance to accommodate this lady.  Those who know me will know
that I beat myself up pretty badly over hurting this person's feelings.

Then came our preview performance (1 tune) at Queen's Tea.  This lady
was also present at Queen's Tea, signing up to perform solo.  When the
choir went on stage, she walked up with us (!).  It was not the place
to cause a scene by publicly removing her.

Afterwards, she spoke loudly in front of some of the singers that (a)
she joined us deliberately to prove a point and that (b) "Lazarus was
an ass".  Her solo performance conclusively demonstrated her
intonation problems.  The ladies (including one Duchess) who had
formerly been willing to help her were no longer interested.

Luckily, she did not show up for the full concert as I would not have
allowed her to perform.

So am I just lucky enough to get a sociopath at the second Estrella
choir?  Or has this sort of problem arisen in the past and people have
some words of wisdom for me to avoid it in the future?

Thanks!

Don Harrington
Lazarus Artifex

What a ghastly scenario. One of those damned if you do, damned if you
don't situations.

What if, when you gently asked that she not sing, you offered another
service she could make to the choir? You might need to be inventive, but
you'd notice the problem and have at least a little time to come up with
an idea. Maybe posting concert flyers or being conductor's assistant in
some way. Again you'd need to be creative to have this work.

Ysolt

--
Maîtresse Ysolt la Bretonne, OP
Barony of Windmasters' Hill
Atlantia

Oh Lazarus
    You are not only  a director of the KWC, you have been
initiated.......
    Here's Erlan's take on things.
While I am very strong willed with the basic concepts of the
choir being a place for people to learn and sing polyphonic
music of the medieval and renaissance time period, there IS that
perfectionist in me that wishes that all who participate have
basic skills and are able to match pitch.

YES, this comes up just about every year.

There have been directors in the past who refused to let people
participate if they did not pass an audition, or read, or match
pitch.  I can not tell a director what to do, but I encourage
ALL the chosen directors to let all people participate
regardless of their level.

1)You can let them sing and hope that it's really too hard for
them and they don't come back on day 2

2) Assign section leaders and run sectionals in hopes that the
situation can be gracefully handled.

There are very delecate ways to encourage people to sing softer
and you can direct an entire section... "OK guys, this is
sounding nice, but I'm getting Waaayy too much from the altos
especially during this section, so everyone drop it down a bit"
   and then tell the alto section leader that you're lying and to
tell everyon except the .... uh, problem person.

You can diplomatically do, what you did, talk to them.
"Have you had renaissance singing experience?"
  "I can hear you above all the others, and it's very important
to have a blend."

You can set an age limit, you mentioned the "father". I ask that
any one under 18 have a parent sit in with them until  I know
that they are mature enough to participate.  Usually I get a
group of high school singers who are really excited to perform.

I think that most of the directors can handle delicate
situations and what you had was an unusual one. It doesn't help
a person to sing with a group if they really can't match pitch.


Just last year at Pennsic, we had a few, uh, mono-notes.  only
sing one pitch.  I smile at them and use my hand to indicate
that they need to come down in volume.

It's a trouble situation and having assistants will definately
help.

Ysolt also had an idea about trying to use the person in a
different fashion, perhaps more in production, or helping in
other ways.

It also sounds like you had a bad attitude person to begin with.


Mostly, the people who can't really sing, but really want to
have the experience, know that they don't have the skill, and
are OK with that.  I think it's important for the education of
all and to let them participate, but when you have attitude
problems, it's really ok to say that you expect certain behavior
and if they can't respect the choir, then they dont' belong
there.


The second year I directed the choir I did a performance called
"Christmas in August"  The music was some of the most beautiful
music for the holiday season and I also had a sing a long
towards the end.  I had a gentleman come dressed as a 17th
century Santa come to the concert and pass out starlite candies.

OK, the point is.  I was holding the last note of the concert,
and right before I cut off, a particular bad attitude Bass threw
his music down on the stage and walked off, JUST as I cut off
the note.  As the audience clapped, he walked, no STOMPED off.
This was a person who was a Doctoral candidate in early music
and he hated me so much, he hated the way I did things and I
bent over backwards to try and accomidate this ONE person.   But
now I've really learned that, this is OUR vacation and we're all
in it for fun and experience. Everyonce in a while, we're going
to get bad attitudes and people who aren't going to be happy
with whatever you do!

Hope that it doesn't happen again.
And learn from it.

:)

Erlan

-----Original Message-----
From: KWChoir@yahoogroups.com [mailto:KWChoir@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Donald F. Harrington
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 1:01 PM
To: KWChoir@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [KWChoir] Troubling question

Now that the dust has settled and we've had a chance to glow in the
warm memories, I'd like to raise a little problem that happened to us
this year at Estrella.  We advertise that to join us all you need to
do is be able to carry a tune and keep a beat.

I'm not sure how we could have best handled it, but I can't believe
that the situation has not arisen before in the history of the Known
World Choir.

We had a lady join us at rehearsal who could not sing.  She sang an
octave above everybody else and in a different key.  The sound was
immediately off.  Some of our stronger sopranos gathered near her and
sang so as to give her guidance, but she could or would not follow.

I could hear that something was off and I commented during the
rehearsal that it was happening.  Post-rehearsal, the sopranos came to
me and identified the lady in question.

When she arrived at the next rehearsal, before she could enter the
area, I drew her aside and explained the problem.  I tried to be
diplomatic and express it in terms of it not being a successful match
between singer and group, but she was very upset and fled in tears.

During the rehearsal, I was approached by her Father who wanted to
know (a) why couldn't anybody sing with us no matter what, (b) who did
I think I was to say his little girl couldn't sing, and (c) this
wasn't the end of this.  He later returned with his seneschal.
Luckily, the Atenveldt Kingdom seneschal is one of our tenors and was
able to smooth things over with the other officer.  We discussed ways
of strengthening the language about basic abilities to join the chorus.

Some of the sopranos wanted to take the lady and work with her.  I
fretted all evening about how upset she had been and what I could have
done differently, that I was not willing to harm the choir or its
performance to accommodate this lady.  Those who know me will know
that I beat myself up pretty badly over hurting this person's feelings.

Then came our preview performance (1 tune) at Queen's Tea.  This lady
was also present at Queen's Tea, signing up to perform solo.  When the
choir went on stage, she walked up with us (!).  It was not the place
to cause a scene by publicly removing her.

Afterwards, she spoke loudly in front of some of the singers that (a)
she joined us deliberately to prove a point and that (b) "Lazarus was
an ass".  Her solo performance conclusively demonstrated her
intonation problems.  The ladies (including one Duchess) who had
formerly been willing to help her were no longer interested.

Luckily, she did not show up for the full concert as I would not have
allowed her to perform.

So am I just lucky enough to get a sociopath at the second Estrella
choir?  Or has this sort of problem arisen in the past and people have
some words of wisdom for me to avoid it in the future?

Thanks!

Don Harrington
Lazarus Artifex

Yes, you had an inaccurate picture of your own skills.  And I've had lots of
people thank me because they were sure they were going to be awful and they
weren't at all.  I think that's kind of a universal feeling.  :)

I discussed it with other choir members that we didn't want to add language
that implied auditions or special skills beyond the very basic ones already
mentioned - because we were afraid that people might pre-select themselves
out.  We had folks who really couldn't read music, for instance, and it
didn't matter.  I drilled all the parts.  But the point is that we don't
want to add barriers to participation for the very reasons you discuss - the
thrill that people get when they realize they can do it after all.

Don Harrington
Lazarus Artifex

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Heemstra" <susanheemstra@...>
To: <KWChoir@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [KWChoir] Troubling question


>         Lazurus, I'm so sorry that happened to you!  If I may gently add,
> perhaps both of you could have done things differently.  I will say that
> you handled your issue with maturity and concern for the good of the
> group.  The youngster in question handled it with immaturity and
> considered her own selfish needs first.  It sounds like a no-win
> situation.  Bless the soprano ladies who considered "tutoring" her.
>
>   I would like to add my own personal story.  I joined the KWC at Pennsic
> 33 believing that I would open my mouth and everyone would stop and glare
> at me until I slunk away in disgrace.  The sound of my own voice scares me
> and I will drop a tune as fast as it takes a knight to get up after a
> blow.  But thanks to Lady Anne's wonderful direction, and Lady Arriana's
> wonderful soprano voice to follow, I not only was not asked to leave, but
> was part of the best choral performance of my adult life.
>
>   I truly hope that all directors will have the patience to bring out the
> best in their participants -- even if they aren't all that good.
>
>   Having said that, it doesn't sound as if that would have been possible
> in your case.  Hopefully, this is the worst thing you will ever have to
> deal with in a choral group.
>
>   Yours in Service with $0.02 worth,
>
>   Susanna Merrybegot
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Heemstra" <susanheemstra@...>
To: <KWChoir@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [KWChoir] Troubling question


>         Lazurus, I'm so sorry that happened to you!  If I may gently add,
> perhaps both of you could have done things differently.  I will say that
> you handled your issue with maturity and concern for the good of the
> group.  The youngster in question handled it with immaturity and
> considered her own selfish needs first.  It sounds like a no-win
> situation.  Bless the soprano ladies who considered "tutoring" her.
>
>   I would like to add my own personal story.  I joined the KWC at Pennsic
> 33 believing that I would open my mouth and everyone would stop and glare
> at me until I slunk away in disgrace.  The sound of my own voice scares me
> and I will drop a tune as fast as it takes a knight to get up after a
> blow.  But thanks to Lady Anne's wonderful direction, and Lady Arriana's
> wonderful soprano voice to follow, I not only was not asked to leave, but
> was part of the best choral performance of my adult life.
>
>   I truly hope that all directors will have the patience to bring out the
> best in their participants -- even if they aren't all that good.
>
>   Having said that, it doesn't sound as if that would have been possible
> in your case.  Hopefully, this is the worst thing you will ever have to
> deal with in a choral group.
>
>   Yours in Service with $0.02 worth,
>
>   Susanna Merrybegot 

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Karen Kasper <arianna_wyn@...> wrote:

Susanna, if you're the person I think I remember from that Pennsic, then the only thing wrong with your voice was that you were too shy and should have sung louder!  :-)

 

Arianna

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Heemstra" <susanheemstra@...>
To: <KWChoir@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [KWChoir] Troubling question


>         Lazurus, I'm so sorry that happened to you!  If I may gently add,
> perhaps both of you could have done things differently.  I will say that
> you handled your issue with maturity and concern for the good of the
> group.  The youngster in question handled it with immaturity and
> considered her own selfish needs first.  It sounds like a no-win
> situation.  Bless the soprano ladies who considered "tutoring" her.
>
>   I would like to add my own personal story.  I joined the KWC at Pennsic
> 33 believing that I would open my mouth and everyone would stop and glare
> at me until I slunk away in disgrace.  The sound of my own voice scares me
> and I will drop a tune as fast as it takes a knight to get up after a
> blow.  But thanks to Lady Anne's wonderful direction, and Lady Arriana's
> wonderful soprano voice to follow, I not only was not asked to leave, but
> was part of the best choral performance of my adult life.
>
>   I truly hope that all directors will have the patience to bring out the
> best in their participants -- even if they aren't all that good.
>
>   Having said that, it doesn't sound as if that would have been possible
> in your case.  Hopefully, this is the worst thing you will ever have to
> deal with in a choral group.
>
>   Yours in Service with $0.02 worth,
>
>   Susanna Merrybegot 

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I hope that in future, any one who wishes to join any of the
choirs at any of the wars feels comfortable enough to do so.
Each director will make every attempt to conduct his or her
choir in the best way possible.  There might always be people
who aren't as "well sung" as others, but that should not matter
too much.  If a Director/conductor asks a person to come down in
volume, they should do so with out question.  If a
director/conductor makes a comment on the betterment of the
sound, even if it is directed at one person, they should accept
the help graciously.
     It is not the intention of the Choir to belittle anyone.
Master Lazarus, Mistresss Anne, Master Brice, Lady Millicent,
Mistress Arianna, Lady Elfrida, Mistress Jocelyn, Myself have
all ALL had voices that didn't quite work, but we try and make
them work.
     Since this IS an open list to ALL choir members, I suggest
that we take care in identifying specific people, I dont' want
to make anyone feel bad.
    And for those who know they are identified, please note that
directors are a funny sort, and sometimes we hear what one in a
group can not.  That is why we do this.  We need to work
individually to create a whole and sometimes its not easy.
    All members can help if or when they see a person being
disrespectful, perhaps somone can take that person aside and
give them encouragement, or encourage them in another direction.
:)
       When we deal with such large numbers and such different
personalities, sometimes, they are going to get hurt, or it's
not going to work out exactly as we planned.
     I too am at fault for identifying singers perhaps not
randomly enough on this list.

    Everyone can participate as long as they treat the director,
the choir and the music, the creation with respect.  If they
don't, then the director has every right to ask them not to
return until they are able to do so.

Thanks for listening,

Lady Erlandr Nordenskald, CSC, OM
Co-ordinator of the Known World Choir
Director Emeritas
List Owner


(and not going to let ANYONE mess with my choir or directors)

Master Lazarus- Even from all the way over here in
Drachenwald I could feel your anguish over this
situation. As all the respondants have said so far
this was your basic no win situation.

From the reaction of both daddy's little girl and
daddy maybe you were the first person in her life to
be objective and honest about her (lack of) pitch.

It's super swell to be all-inclusive, but if an
individual is actually damaging to an organization
(especially a performance group) then someone needs to
be strong enough to stand up and say so. Besides
which, the ability to carry a tune was a published
requirement.

I get the feeling that had you offered the lady in
question an alternate role she would have been just as
offended. For her sake I hope that her attitude
changes about receiving help from others. She cannot
grow as a human being unless she realizes that there's
always room for improvement. I'd better get off my
soapbox now.

Sapphira (who hates to audition because she hates
being rejected but does it anyway because what doesn't
kill you makes you stronger)(and sometimes you don't
get rejected :)

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It's a good point and one that I should have thought of before posting.  I
regret that I made my statements in this public forum, and I see now that it
was an inappropriate location.

I was selfishly thinking only of my own indignation and I did not consider
the effect the message could have on others, or even if the person in
question was a member of the list.  It never occurred to me, but it should
have.  I'm certainly old enough to know better.

I'm sorry.  The appropriate topics for this list are "what's the music,
where's it at, when do we sing?"

Don Harrington
Lazarus Artifex

-----Original Message-----
From: KWChoir@yahoogroups.com [mailto:KWChoir@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of DON HARRINGTON
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 11:53 AM
To: KWChoir@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [KWChoir] Re: choir

It's a good point and one that I should have thought of before posting.  I
regret that I made my statements in this public forum, and I see now that it
was an inappropriate location.

I was selfishly thinking only of my own indignation and I did not consider
the effect the message could have on others, or even if the person in
question was a member of the list.  It never occurred to me, but it should
have.  I'm certainly old enough to know better.

I'm sorry.  The appropriate topics for this list are "what's the music,
where's it at, when do we sing?"

Don Harrington
Lazarus Artifex

Well, Lazarus, yes and no.  There are certainly many uses for
this list.  It has always been my hope that it will be used for
musical exchange, ideas, questions, and general stuff about
music in the sca.  Honestly the SCA CHoral list has been So
quiet for a while and it seems like this list has replaced it.
People DO use it for stuff other than where's music, when's
rehearsal.

I just wanted to express my concern after reading the post..
that it's possible that people might have gotten offended.  Of
course, I, being the person I am, feel like if you aggree to
participate you Aggree to accept what comes about.  You were
certainly OK in posting your feelings here.  For what it's
worth, I sympathize with your situation... and  maybe the person
was on the list..........and when we criticize, it's only
because we want a better performance.

In my adverts for the choir, I do put, "must match pitch" in
hopes that will keep out those who are REALLY bad singers.

I just want to remind everyone that when we bitch vent and moan,
let's try and do so... with out names, or specifics... and keep
it general enough not to trash anyone, but enough information to
get the idea accross to others, ... we are here to help each
other!!!

I think that you handled the situation with respect and class,
and I'm sorry that you had to experience it.  THe SCA is a very
large group with many many types of people!..... you know!!

anyway, i'm off my rant and rave.

Hey, don't forget to check out the badge that I put in the
photos section and offer up some opinion .


in service,

your, erlan

It's obvious we all have shared goals, of getting as many people as possible
to sing.  We need to be encouraging, because some people are unsure of their
skills and need to be encouraged.

A lot of people agree that there's some bottom line at which a person
doesn't have the skills to successfully participate in a choir.  That bottom
line is pretty low and very rarely run into.  My case is an aberration.

I said what I did because I was afraid that the second point (bottom line)
was generating enough heat to obscure the first point (encouraging people).

I love early music and have been hooked since I listened with hypnotic
fascination to my first David Munrow album.  I love sharing early music with
people and shedding some of the popular myths that seem to surround it.
Music is the important thing here, not the rare encounter I had.

On an unrelated note, the Swingle Singers have vocal arrangements for
Agincourt and Pastyme with Good Companye that have some voices singing the
parts while other voices mimic drums and instruments like shawms and flutes.
   It's a hoot, I'd love to try them sometime when I've got 8 parts.

Don Harrington
Lazarus Artifex

It looks WONDERFUL!  SO much information can be found on that
pennsic site now.  That's awesome!
...
next step... identifying badge......
we, are hopeful

Erlan

--- Eric Grace <carlogesualdo@...> wrote:

> One of the difficulties of having a volunteer choir
> is that, if you make it too difficult to
> participate, you'll be waving your hands and nothing
> happens because you've got no singers.  But the
> unfortunate flip side is that sometimes you end up
> tolerating behaviors that are, well, indefensible.
> Like people who just can't sing, or who are never on
> time, or forget to bring their music, or don't come
> to rehearsals at all, or dress inappropriately, or
> are nasty to other people in the choir, etc.
>
> There are no easy answers to this one.  And I think
> this is probably the best forum for discussing the
> situation, within the parameters that Erlan
> suggests, because everyone on this list wants to
> make the best choral experience for all participants
> and audience members, and learning to deal with
> these issues is a part of that.

Hear, hear. I completely agree.

I continue to deal with these issues and appreciate
good ideas and discussion whenever available.

- Jennifer

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Folks,

I am the director for the War of the Lilies KWC in Calontir this summer.  I am in process of getting a website up with info which will be at www.lilieskwc.com .  If you can put the following annoucement out on your various kingdom newsgroups  and A&S lists, I would appreciate it.  Many thanks to Mistress Arianna of Wynthrope for her excellent Pennsic information, I have no shame, I stole the format from her (cause it's good-I only steal from the best ). 

I would ask one more thing from this group.  I need to finalize my music selection this weekend.  My concert theme will be "Faith, Love and War"  I am looking for between 7-9 pieces.  I have some definite ideas, but I would love to hear your input for pieces on these themes (and yes, I have Non Nobis Domine, the Byrd and Henry V versions, and The Agincourt Carol already) 

Here is the annoucement: 

Lilies Known World Chorus

The inaugural performance of the Lilies Known World Chorus will be directed by H.L. Brice Le Raton from the Barony of Forgotten Sea, Calontir.  Brice  has over 20 years directing experience in early choral music in the SCA and directs Guido's Hand Early Music Ensemble.  

Calontir's War of the Lilies is held June 9-18. Further information about Lilies can be found here  

What is the Known World Chorus?

The Known World Choir is a group of people from across the Kingdoms of the SCA who love to sing a cappella choral music from the Middle Ages and Renaissance. Singers gather, rehearse and perform at major SCA wars like Estrella, Lilies and Pennsic.

To stay informed about the activities of the Known World Choir, join our Yahoo Group at groups.yahoo.com/group/KWChoir. (You must have or sign up for a free Yahoo ID to join this online email list.) 

To access the music and get specific information about the Known World Choir at Lilies, you can access our website at www.lilieskwc.com  (This site is currently under construction but should be live in the next week).  Rehearsal schedules and other information will be posted as soon as it is finalized.

You don't need to have any early music experience to sing in the Lilies KWC.  A desire to sing and be able to carry a tune is all that is needed.  Previous singing experience and/or the ability read music is helpful but not required if you are willing to put in the effort to learn the music before arriving at Lilies. To facilitate this, the music for the Lilies KWC will be made available at www.lilieskwc.com in PDF and MIDI formats that will allow everyone to print off and learn their parts in advance. It will also help to be present for as many of the rehearsals as possible. Music will also be available for download from the Known World Choir Yahoo Group webpage or by postal mail from the director (as a last resort, please)

How to join the Lilies KWC

If you would like to sing in the Lilies KWC, please use the on-line form at www.lilieskwc.com to register. It will help the director to plan and make it more fun for everyone. 

(If you have any problems using the on-line form, please mail the following info to Brice at brucerawitch@...)

• Modern Name
• Address
• Email address
• SCA Name
• Kingdom
• Voice Part 1: first preference,
• Voice Part 2: alternate parts you're willing to sing, if any
• Expected date of arrival at Lilies

I'm new here, and I was wondering which parts are generally most
needed at Pennsic? I've done Tenor on up to Soprano and can and have
read the Bass line.

I'm new here, and I was wondering which parts are generally most
needed at Pennsic? I've done Tenor on up to Soprano and can and have
read the Bass line. 

Hi all, just some administrative stuff.
    E mail addresses that continue to bounce.... have had a
reactivation request sent to them.  If the e mail is still not valid,
the member will be removed from the list.  Please, this is NOT a
threat, it's just a maintance issue.  Wouldn't want people to keep
missing important messages.

Thank you,

Erlan, Moderator .... and stuff

Would one of the moderators of this list please invite Mistress
Allasondrea to join?  Her request to join this list was somehow
denied...and I think we're really like to have her singing with us
this year at pennsic!

Her email address is: msalanea@...

Thanks!
Mistress Anne.

Funny, I just sent an approval to the list when I received her request about
5 minutes ago.  Let me try it again.

Don Harrington
Lazarus Artifex


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>Subject: [KWChoir] list invite?
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I think that now all of us have invited Mistress Allasondrea... so
would the real Allasondrea please reply when present!!
Erlan