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A future for sample CD-ROMs for Kurzweils   Message List  
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Peter Schouten has written recently about the uncertainty of being a
third-party Kurzweil soundware developer. He fears that Spectrasonics'
decision to stop releasing new sample CDs in Kurzweil format signals the
demise of the Kurzweil platform as a sample market. I disagree.

The Kurzweil market isn't dead. It just needs some bolstering. And WE
can do that.

According to ex-Kurzweil support guru, Larry "Synthbro" Hopkins, there
are 30,000 Kurzweil K-series instruments out there, world-wide. That's a
huge potential market--and the key word here is "potential."

As Kurzweil users, we need to support the *quality* soundware
developers--especially small ones like Mike Martin's Key Solutions,
Dennis Burns's Bolder Sounds and Peter Schouten's Pyramid Sounds. These
guys have smartly chosen to provide the sounds Kurzweil and Sweetwater
left out of their ROMblocks and CD-ROMs. It just so happens that these
three small-timers produce the very sounds the I like most. I want to
see them continue to offer these great sounds and I want them to thrive.
What are samplers without sounds? It's in OUR interest to look out for
THEIR interests.

Support means buying their products and recommending them to other
Kurzweilers. The purpose of this e-mail list is to spread information
around. Let's do that by addressing the CD-ROM buying experience for
Kurzweilers.

THE GREAT FEAR
The problem with buying sample CD-ROMs is the risk of blowing good money
on sounds that you haven't heard. Prices vary from $129-$399 for
Kurzweil format CD-ROMs and that price barrier stops many potential
customers from taking ANY chances. All you need is to be burned once by
a shoddy sound collection or poorly programmed "Kurzweil" disc and
you'll be put off future purchases. We need to be confident that the
sounds will be good and the programs useful.

HOW DOES IT SOUND?
Of course, one man's "good" sound can often be another's idea of "lame."
Soundware developers can reduce sound quality fears with MP3 demos such
as the excellent ones for Pyramid's "Real Rhodes" and other collections.
These audio demos let the buyer decide if the sounds are to their
liking.

Whether you're shopping or not, take a few minutes and check out these
MP3 demos:
http://www.pyramid-sound.com/mp3_demos.htm
http://www.boldersounds.com/mp3.asp
http://members.aol.com/keysolutns/

SOUNDS GOOD, BUT HOW DOES IT PLAY?
The other questionable area is how well are the K-programs implemented,
either with useful keymaps and envelopes, or with smart VAST
programming. That'll take reviews, testimonials, and "I got burned by
xxx" postings, here on KurzList.

Here are some sound reviews worth looking at:
http://sonikmatter.com/reviews/
http://k2users.org/k_revu.htm

CAN I GET A WITNESS?
For the testimonials and "I got burned by xxx" info, I request that
KurzList members post about both our good, AND bad sample collections.
Also, please voice your opinions about other collections, such as Shane
Etter's SoundSubscriptions and Brian Cowell's many free and for-sale
sounds.

http://members.aol.com/SoundSubs/SOUNDSUBS2.html
http://www.soundengine.com/html/samp/k2000.html

If enough members rave about "this" collection or trash "that" one, we
can increase buyer knowledge and confidence--and THIS will translate
into sales. More sales would spur more collections--and THAT would
benefit everybody.

Let's show Peter and every other Kurzweil developer that there's still
life in this market. Post today!

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Tony Palermo - Los Angeles, USA
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Sat Jun 2, 2001 6:51 pm

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Peter Schouten has written recently about the uncertainty of being a third-party Kurzweil soundware developer. He fears that Spectrasonics' decision to stop...
Tony Palermo
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Jun 2, 2001
6:51 pm

On Saturday, June 02, 2001 12:51 PM Tony Palermo encouraged list members to share information about soundware products. I agree with the intent of Tony's post....
Peter Schouten
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Jun 3, 2001
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In response to Tony's comments, I bought Symphony of Voices about a year ago and found it to be of very high quality, but Tony is right about prices. $500 is...
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Jun 3, 2001
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I would agree - there are two business models that apply here. Sell high and rely on a few sales and sell low ( still making a profit of course! ) and sell in...
David Halliday
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Jun 3, 2001
7:37 am

I don't know. I have to regretfully disagree with these sentiments. The sad fact is that if you buy something for $40, you are more likely to not value it...
marsiglio.clif.c
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Jun 3, 2001
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Hi, people! Well, I both agree and disagree with everything I've read so far.. But I think there is a much more fundamental (and, to me, very unsettling)...
Dr. Frederick J. Bash...
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Jun 3, 2001
10:14 pm

I suppose I'll be in the minority here on Kurzlist... I paid several hundred dollars for the Kurzweil orchestral and piano ROM's, and overall I'm not impressed...
John Bair
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Jun 4, 2001
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On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 13:14:24 -0500 (EST) "marsiglio.clif.c" ... SoUnDEnGiNe ... DON'T GIVE UP YET!! DON'T GIVE UP YET!!! I WANT ONE! Sight unSEEN, I want one...
Peter Bligh
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Jun 4, 2001
2:16 am

... I don't believe that, in case that your friend offers you another disc which is in the same price range. I don't know but I could imagine that bootleggers...
Frank Happel
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Jun 6, 2001
7:34 am

Hi Guys I would encourage you to quit speculating about YC's/Kurzweil's motives and reasoning. Kurzweil are making good machines, and as long as we are ...
David Day
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Jun 7, 2001
9:09 am

As for CD-ROM's, this is a separate issue. Could you soundware guys offer ranges of products? Some £50, some £100 for specific purposes, and then £50000...
Dale Enstrom
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Jun 7, 2001
2:46 pm

Gosh, I wish I could type. I mean't to say, The purchase can be applied to the eventual purchase of the entire CD-ROM. As for CD-ROM's, this is a separate...
Dale Enstrom
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Jun 7, 2001
2:50 pm

... Hi David, you are right concerning the above mentioned 'gear'. I would never pay a cent for a kick drum made from a washing machine front panel based CD...
Frank Happel
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Jun 7, 2001
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You make a lot of sense! On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:11:34 +0100 "David Day" <david.day@...> ... for specific purposes, and ... from the posts here that...
Peter Bligh
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Jun 7, 2001
6:53 pm

... Does it go into all the estroic little details that make up the piano? We have a collection of samples (64meg dual velocity pianos - a few I think) over...
marsiglio.clif.c
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Jun 7, 2001
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... Maybe you will find these tutorials of interest. http://sonikmatter.com/sounds/features/memoirs1/ Part 3 is about to be released. These tutorials give you...
Brian Cowell
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Jun 8, 2001
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Thanks for the insite Clif I just started collectings sounds today Mostly machinery sounds that I hope to use in some Bizzar way In a way a piano is just a...
John Waddington
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Jun 7, 2001
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Hi again I just thought to append on my comment about "washing machine front panels". I guess the thing about the K2500 for me is having an instrument which is...
David Day
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Jun 8, 2001
8:02 am

Question for non-professional samplers: What do you use when you run around sampling sounds? I don't picture anyone moving their kurz (with sampling option)...
mntain@...
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Jun 9, 2001
2:33 pm

... If sampling in the studio, I sometimes use the mixer/audio card combo. I'm doing some try with the K itself, whose inputs have a very pleasant, warm and...
Paolo Tramannoni
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Jun 10, 2001
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:01:10 -0500 (EST) "marsiglio.clif.c" ... Dunno; that's one of the issues I did NOT buy. I remember looking at that issue a long time in...
Peter Bligh
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Jun 7, 2001
10:51 pm

Greetings, Kurzarinos-- If someone could offer some direction to a newbie it'd be appreciated: Could someone consisely explain the relationship of the physical...
Ian Wood
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Jun 9, 2001
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My personal opinion is that the Kurzweil platform has been very hard to support at the best of times. Even when the K2000 was the main platform, Kurzweil...
Brian Cowell
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Jun 3, 2001
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... Uh oh, Dale. I resigned from my day job yesterday, and was going to send you International Wiring Instructions for the £50000 today, so I could get...
SoUnDEnGiNe.com
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Jun 8, 2001
10:42 am

Dub, If you have a K2500 or K2600 Look at ALGs 5, 9, 21, 28 .. Master/Slave was added to the 3rd block in them for use with the Vocoder . What that means is...
Pacbell
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Jun 8, 2001
4:35 pm

When I started this thread, I hoped it would lead to lots of love letters/hate letters about CD sample collections; Information that Kurzweilers could use to...
Tony Palermo
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Jun 8, 2001
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on 6/8/01 10:36 AM, Tony Palermo at Palermo@... wrote: Hi Tony.....and all others concerned wityh this topic. ... I tried this at the Bolder Site a...
Dennis Burns
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Jun 8, 2001
6:17 pm

This is exactly what I was eluding to in my earlier post on this thread. It seems that it has been successful for Sweetwater in that they have continued to...
Dale Enstrom
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Jun 12, 2001
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My two cents I am a 'weekend' musician and K2000 user sharing the sentiments regarding laying out big cash for CD's - not for me. Recently however I bought a...
Paul Clement
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Jun 9, 2001
12:25 am

... I couldn't agree more, Marc. If the sound set one wants is too expensive, then save some of that paycheck each month until one can afford it. I can see...
Mike Hall
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Jun 12, 2001
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