Sequences are saved separately - check out the Seq Save button - when you've got
a sequence you want to save press that button, a digit from 1-9 and enter. 
Saved.   I'll let you figure out we Seq Load button.

-jk

--- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, "delain" <blakazraw206@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, Gordon JC Pearce <gordon@> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 18:12 +0000, delain wrote:
> > > how do i save my parameters n how do i bring in new sounds of the net
> > > without my dikettes being formatted to my mirage,,n how do i ,or can i
> > > format my diskettes to this,,ive read n read but im sure one of my
> > > groupies know,,,help help help thanx
> >
> > I *think* it's 14 - should say something like 'SP' when you enter it.
> > Then just hit <ENTER> to save.
> >
> > Gordon MM0YEQ
> >
> cool help man,,hey well my samples arent keeping the sequence i program to go
out midi,,it plays my samples but in a different way,,is it the programming 
help me please,,thnx,,n thnx again for the 14 parameter,,oh yeah can store
bought diskettes be formatted to work the mirage,,how,,?. peace
>

--- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, Gordon JC Pearce <gordon@...> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 18:12 +0000, delain wrote:
> > how do i save my parameters n how do i bring in new sounds of the net
> > without my dikettes being formatted to my mirage,,n how do i ,or can i
> > format my diskettes to this,,ive read n read but im sure one of my
> > groupies know,,,help help help thanx
>
> I *think* it's 14 - should say something like 'SP' when you enter it.
> Then just hit <ENTER> to save.
>
> Gordon MM0YEQ
>
cool help man,,hey well my samples arent keeping the sequence i program to go
out midi,,it plays my samples but in a different way,,is it the programming 
help me please,,thnx,,n thnx again for the 14 parameter,,oh yeah can store
bought diskettes be formatted to work the mirage,,how,,?. peace

another update..
I ended up extracting the DSK-1 eprom and burning a regular i2732A eeprom and it
did not work either. tried with the shugart drive instead of the panasonic, no
go.. so, the question is, could the WD177, 7406 & 7407 be bad? anyone has
prints? to verify the signal path?

I feel I'm narrowing it down
thanks



--- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <mirage_vintage@...> wrote:
>
> This panasonic drive is not even the same as my drive in the DSK-1 so I ended
up borrowing the drive from my DSK-1 and it didn't work either. so, I suspect my
problem may be hardware either the FDD interface (WD177) or perhaps the eprom
firmware is buggered up?? I'll have to try burning another eprom, but those OTP
2732 may be hard to find. My shugart drive may be good afterall.
> further testing this weekend...
>
> thanks
>
>
> --- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> >
> > dont use dc  just jumper the d0 and ry dc is for pc use
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Michael
> >   To: Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:11 PM
> >   Subject: [Mirage-Net] Re: DSK-8 Shugart drive failure or OS issue ??
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   This panasonic drive has the following jumpers
> >   DR,DC,D3,M0,D2,D1,D0,MS,IU and RY is on a separate 4-pin jumper
altogether, but the other side of RY is not printed, so no way of knowing what
it is, it was originally set in the middle of the 4-pin.
> >   The following are currently jumpered, DC,M0,D0, & RY
> >
> >   if I'm missing something, let me know
> >   thanks
> >
> >   --- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <mirage_vintage@> wrote:
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > I have a Panasonic JU364 and had the DS0 jumpered. wasn't sure about the
RY but there are other jumpers as well, I don't have it with me now but I can
list them tomorrow. Oh, and I also shorted pin10 & pin16 as well as per the
manual. I just want to determine if its the shugart drive or if my problem lies
elsewhere. I will also try the new disks when they arrive, if you think of
anything else, let me know.
> >   > thanks
> >   >
> >   > --- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> >   > >
> >   > > it needs to be set to ds0 and it needs to be set to ry signal to work
this is the shughart standard signals
> >   > >
> >   > > you can fit a slim floppy with a slim floppy converter you can get the
drives for £5-10 and the floppy converter are £20 but they still make the slim
floppies so there is no shortage
> >   > > ----- Original Message -----
> >   > > From: Michael
> >   > > To: Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com
> >   > > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:23 AM
> >   > > Subject: [Mirage-Net] Re: DSK-8 Shugart drive failure or OS issue ??
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > > Haven't had much time but I'm still in the troubleshooting stages.
I've obtained a replacement panasonic drive, that didn't seem to work.
> >   > > There are extra jumpers on this drive, did not really know how to set
them. I ordered a set of new OS disks, waiting for those to arrive.. I did
manage to check to Eprom firmware and it is USA+
> >   > > I'll update when I find the problem.
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> >   > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >   > > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.101/2555 - Release Date:
12/09/09 19:41:00
> >   > >
> >   >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >   No virus found in this incoming message.
> >   Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >   Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.103/2558 - Release Date:
12/11/09 10:06:00
> >
>

This panasonic drive is not even the same as my drive in the DSK-1 so I ended up
borrowing the drive from my DSK-1 and it didn't work either. so, I suspect my
problem may be hardware either the FDD interface (WD177) or perhaps the eprom
firmware is buggered up?? I'll have to try burning another eprom, but those OTP
2732 may be hard to find. My shugart drive may be good afterall.
further testing this weekend...

thanks


--- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>
> dont use dc  just jumper the d0 and ry dc is for pc use
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Michael
>   To: Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:11 PM
>   Subject: [Mirage-Net] Re: DSK-8 Shugart drive failure or OS issue ??
>
>
>
>
>
>   This panasonic drive has the following jumpers
>   DR,DC,D3,M0,D2,D1,D0,MS,IU and RY is on a separate 4-pin jumper altogether,
but the other side of RY is not printed, so no way of knowing what it is, it was
originally set in the middle of the 4-pin.
>   The following are currently jumpered, DC,M0,D0, & RY
>
>   if I'm missing something, let me know
>   thanks
>
>   --- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <mirage_vintage@> wrote:
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > I have a Panasonic JU364 and had the DS0 jumpered. wasn't sure about the
RY but there are other jumpers as well, I don't have it with me now but I can
list them tomorrow. Oh, and I also shorted pin10 & pin16 as well as per the
manual. I just want to determine if its the shugart drive or if my problem lies
elsewhere. I will also try the new disks when they arrive, if you think of
anything else, let me know.
>   > thanks
>   >
>   > --- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > it needs to be set to ds0 and it needs to be set to ry signal to work
this is the shughart standard signals
>   > >
>   > > you can fit a slim floppy with a slim floppy converter you can get the
drives for £5-10 and the floppy converter are £20 but they still make the slim
floppies so there is no shortage
>   > > ----- Original Message -----
>   > > From: Michael
>   > > To: Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com
>   > > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:23 AM
>   > > Subject: [Mirage-Net] Re: DSK-8 Shugart drive failure or OS issue ??
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Haven't had much time but I'm still in the troubleshooting stages. I've
obtained a replacement panasonic drive, that didn't seem to work.
>   > > There are extra jumpers on this drive, did not really know how to set
them. I ordered a set of new OS disks, waiting for those to arrive.. I did
manage to check to Eprom firmware and it is USA+
>   > > I'll update when I find the problem.
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > ----------------------------------------------------------
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > No virus found in this incoming message.
>   > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>   > > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.101/2555 - Release Date:
12/09/09 19:41:00
>   > >
>   >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>   No virus found in this incoming message.
>   Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>   Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.103/2558 - Release Date: 12/11/09
10:06:00
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael

To: Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:11 PM

Subject: [Mirage-Net] Re: DSK-8 Shugart drive failure or OS issue ??

 

This panasonic drive has the following jumpers
DR,DC,D3,M0,D2,D1,D0,MS,IU and RY is on a separate 4-pin jumper altogether, but the other side of RY is not printed, so no way of knowing what it is, it was originally set in the middle of the 4-pin.
The following are currently jumpered, DC,M0,D0, & RY

if I'm missing something, let me know
thanks

--- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <mirage_vintage@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I have a Panasonic JU364 and had the DS0 jumpered. wasn't sure about the RY but there are other jumpers as well, I don't have it with me now but I can list them tomorrow. Oh, and I also shorted pin10 & pin16 as well as per the manual. I just want to determine if its the shugart drive or if my problem lies elsewhere. I will also try the new disks when they arrive, if you think of anything else, let me know.
> thanks
>
> --- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> >
> > it needs to be set to ds0 and it needs to be set to ry signal to work this is the shughart standard signals
> >
> > you can fit a slim floppy with a slim floppy converter you can get the drives for £5-10 and the floppy converter are £20 but they still make the slim floppies so there is no shortage
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael
> > To: Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:23 AM
> > Subject: [Mirage-Net] Re: DSK-8 Shugart drive failure or OS issue ??
> >
> >
> >
> > Haven't had much time but I'm still in the troubleshooting stages. I've obtained a replacement panasonic drive, that didn't seem to work.
> > There are extra jumpers on this drive, did not really know how to set them. I ordered a set of new OS disks, waiting for those to arrive.. I did manage to check to Eprom firmware and it is USA+
> > I'll update when I find the problem.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.101/2555 - Release Date: 12/09/09 19:41:00
> >
>

---

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.103/2558 - Release Date: 12/11/09 10:06:00

This panasonic drive has the following jumpers
DR,DC,D3,M0,D2,D1,D0,MS,IU and RY is on a separate 4-pin jumper altogether, but
the other side of RY is not printed, so no way of knowing what it is, it was
originally set in the middle of the 4-pin.
The following are currently jumpered, DC,M0,D0, & RY

if I'm missing something, let me know
thanks

--- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <mirage_vintage@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I have a Panasonic JU364 and had the DS0 jumpered. wasn't sure about the RY
but there are other jumpers as well, I don't have it with me now but I can list
them tomorrow. Oh, and I also shorted pin10 & pin16 as well as per the manual. I
just want to determine if its the shugart drive or if my problem lies elsewhere.
I will also try the new disks when they arrive, if you think of anything else,
let me know.
> thanks
>
> --- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> >
> > it needs to be set to ds0 and it needs to be set to ry signal to work this
is the shughart standard signals
> >
> > you can fit a slim floppy with a slim floppy converter you can get the
drives for £5-10 and the floppy converter are £20 but they still make the slim
floppies so there is no shortage
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Michael
> >   To: Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:23 AM
> >   Subject: [Mirage-Net] Re: DSK-8 Shugart drive failure or OS issue ??
> >
> >
> >
> >   Haven't had much time but I'm still in the troubleshooting stages. I've
obtained a replacement panasonic drive, that didn't seem to work.
> >   There are extra jumpers on this drive, did not really know how to set
them. I ordered a set of new OS disks, waiting for those to arrive.. I did
manage to check to Eprom firmware and it is USA+
> >   I'll update when I find the problem.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >   No virus found in this incoming message.
> >   Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >   Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.101/2555 - Release Date:
12/09/09 19:41:00
> >
>

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I have a Panasonic JU364 and had the DS0 jumpered. wasn't sure about the RY but
there are other jumpers as well, I don't have it with me now but I can list them
tomorrow. Oh, and I also shorted pin10 & pin16 as well as per the manual. I just
want to determine if its the shugart drive or if my problem lies elsewhere. I
will also try the new disks when they arrive, if you think of anything else, let
me know.
thanks

--- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>
> it needs to be set to ds0 and it needs to be set to ry signal to work this is
the shughart standard signals
>
> you can fit a slim floppy with a slim floppy converter you can get the drives
for £5-10 and the floppy converter are £20 but they still make the slim floppies
so there is no shortage
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Michael
>   To: Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:23 AM
>   Subject: [Mirage-Net] Re: DSK-8 Shugart drive failure or OS issue ??
>
>
>
>   Haven't had much time but I'm still in the troubleshooting stages. I've
obtained a replacement panasonic drive, that didn't seem to work.
>   There are extra jumpers on this drive, did not really know how to set them.
I ordered a set of new OS disks, waiting for those to arrive.. I did manage to
check to Eprom firmware and it is USA+
>   I'll update when I find the problem.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>   No virus found in this incoming message.
>   Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>   Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.101/2555 - Release Date: 12/09/09
19:41:00
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael

To: Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:23 AM

Subject: [Mirage-Net] Re: DSK-8 Shugart drive failure or OS issue ??

 

Haven't had much time but I'm still in the troubleshooting stages. I've obtained a replacement panasonic drive, that didn't seem to work.
There are extra jumpers on this drive, did not really know how to set them. I ordered a set of new OS disks, waiting for those to arrive.. I did manage to check to Eprom firmware and it is USA+
I'll update when I find the problem.

---

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.101/2555 - Release Date: 12/09/09 19:41:00

Haven't had much time but I'm still in the troubleshooting stages. I've obtained
a replacement panasonic drive, that didn't seem to work.
There are extra jumpers on this drive, did not really know how to set them. I
ordered a set of new OS disks, waiting for those to arrive..  I did manage to
check to Eprom firmware and it is USA+
I'll update when I find the problem.

Sorry for cross-posting this reply to both lists, but I thought maybe
this'd be off some interest while the quest for a possible floppy drive
replacement still continues ;)

> Has there been any progress on the project or did no one reply?

Guess not.. On the slightly off-topic inspirational tip in regard to
floppy-SD adapters, a friend of mine demoed this one on an Amiga 500
last weekend:

http://public.fotki.com/timtashpulatov/11af5/megadrive256/

And there's also some discussion about the board and some variants here
on the Amiga.org forum:

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=530436

Buttons are used to select a .adf disk image, which is then loaded in to
the SIMM and run. The adapter saves 2Mb MFM image dumps to the SD so it
makes me wonder if this board would possibly work in Mirage as well. As
   a extra bonus there's also the option of installing a piezo buzzer
on-board; this is used to emulate the sound of the drive head stepping :D

.Arto.

--- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, Gordon JC Pearce <gordon@...> wrote:
>
> mirage_vintage wrote:
> > Hi group, I'm new here. I have 2 Mirages, a DSK-1 which works 100% and a
DSK-8 which has some loading issues. The DSK service manual says that OS ver3
and above has to be loaded in s/n greater than 14731, mine is 13907 or something
like that. Is it possible that the OS 3.2 is not loading on it or could it be
the shugart drive malfunction? On power up, the display flashes "nd" then spins
after the disk is inserted but stops and the display goes blank, I never get the
.21
> > any ideas?
> > Thanks
> >
>
> It's quite possible that the older one has a firmware version too old to
> support OS 3.2, but it could just be as simple as blowing a copy of the
> newer ROM and sticking that in.
>
> Gordon MM0YEQ
>
Unfortunately I only have OS ver3.2 from the DSK-1. I looked at my DKS-8 board,
it has a 24pin eprom labeled "U.S" according to the bulletin No.8 it should work
with OS ver3. The s/n is actually 11903 and I can tell that it has had upgrade
#1 from the resistor values on the board. Is there any way to find out if its a
compatability issue before I start extracting/burning a new eprom or condemning
the drive? Does anyone have a part number for that 24pin eprom? Would an older
OS say ver1.0 be available somewhere?
Can anyone else boot their DSK-8 with OS ver3.2 ??
thanks

mirage_vintage wrote:
> Hi group, I'm new here. I have 2 Mirages, a DSK-1 which works 100% and a DSK-8
which has some loading issues. The DSK service manual says that OS ver3 and
above has to be loaded in s/n greater than 14731, mine is 13907 or something
like that. Is it possible that the OS 3.2 is not loading on it or could it be
the shugart drive malfunction? On power up, the display flashes "nd" then spins
after the disk is inserted but stops and the display goes blank, I never get the
.21
> any ideas?
> Thanks
>

It's quite possible that the older one has a firmware version too old to
support OS 3.2, but it could just be as simple as blowing a copy of the
newer ROM and sticking that in.

Gordon MM0YEQ

Hi group, I'm new here. I have 2 Mirages, a DSK-1 which works 100% and a DSK-8
which has some loading issues. The DSK service manual says that OS ver3 and
above has to be loaded in s/n greater than 14731, mine is 13907 or something
like that. Is it possible that the OS 3.2 is not loading on it or could it be
the shugart drive malfunction? On power up, the display flashes "nd" then spins
after the disk is inserted but stops and the display goes blank, I never get the
.21
any ideas?
Thanks

creatorlars84 wrote:
> I've been using my rackmount Mirage a lot more lately and enjoying it, but
it's become slowly apparent to me that something is not right after playing with
patches a bit.
>
> The envelope generator seems to be having no affect on the volume of the
sound.  I can get it to control the filter, but none of my patches are able to
fade in or out with attack or release, etc.  Quite a lot of samples I have on
disk will continue playing at full volume for a brief second after releasing.  I
can adjust relative overall volume of the sample and hear that... but otherwise
it seems like the VCA is busted or not fully on all the time.  This definitely
hurts the usability of the unit for me.

Knackered 4051 multiplexer, or associated TL084 quad opamp.  You can
easily trace out which one does what with a decent oscilloscope and a
note of the pinouts.

Gordon MM0YEQ

I've been using my rackmount Mirage a lot more lately and enjoying it, but it's
become slowly apparent to me that something is not right after playing with
patches a bit.

The envelope generator seems to be having no affect on the volume of the sound. 
I can get it to control the filter, but none of my patches are able to fade in
or out with attack or release, etc.  Quite a lot of samples I have on disk will
continue playing at full volume for a brief second after releasing.  I can
adjust relative overall volume of the sample and hear that... but otherwise it
seems like the VCA is busted or not fully on all the time.  This definitely
hurts the usability of the unit for me.

Without some working schematics (any idea on where to find them?) I am at a loss
of where to start trying to diagnose the issue.  Can anyone provide advice or
help?

Thanks in advance,
Lars

Hey Christian,
Thank you very much and I am going to take your advice simply becuase I don't
want to take any chances with my mirage.
I wanted to clarify that it is not noisy, the sound is barely audible at any
other volume setting besides 100%, right now I have volume at 100% and it is
producing sound as it should.
David

--- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, Christian Forget <ccf@...> wrote:
>
> Most of the time, a noisy volume control is fixed just by moving it back
> and forth a few tens of times. The noise mostly come from an oxidized
> wiper that didn't move for long, allowing oxidation to build up between
> the metal bar beside the carbon pad and the wiper inside the pot. It
> rarely comes from the carbon pad itself unless some liquid as spilled
> inside or in a extremely dusty environment. Shooting cleaner is rarely a
> good idea unless absolutely necessary. Most pots are lubricated with a
> grease that is heavy enough to stay away from the carbon pad. If you
> pray the pot with a solvent (cleaner), the grease could get dissolved
> and contaminate the carbon pad. The pot will stop noising first but
> after a few mounts, it could get back noisy and sometimes worst.
>
> What I suggest is play with the volume back & forth all the way for
> about 20 or 30 times. If it get less noisy, continue up to about 100
> times and it will self clean. If you get no improvement at all, use
> cleaner SPARINGLY on the carbon pad ONLY.
>
> Christian F.
>
> Gordon JC Pearce a écrit :
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 00:53 +0000, david.sovar wrote:
> > > Randomly mirage sound disappears producing a faint weak signal that is
> > > barely heard and I would move the volume slider up and sound to get it
> > > to come back but it stays weak however when I have mirage volume at
> > > 100% bringing volume of pa system up the signal is strong as it should
> > > be. I am thinking the volume slider needs to be cleaned/sprayed with a
> > > safe cleaner that is ok to use on my mirage. What cleaner is safe?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > Any good-quality switch cleaner should do it. Be careful not to get it
> > on the front panel, as it can attack certain plastics - use the little
> > tube thing.
> >
> > Alternatively just hardwire the thing to be permanently at 75% volume,
> > like my JX-8P ;-)
> >
> > Gordon MM0YEQ
> >
> >
>

I have the rackmount model DMS-1


--- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>
> first what moel is it if its the metal mono version the the slider controls
the volume of the doc chip
>
> if its the plastic version then the slider controls the cem dual vca for the
stereo version
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: david.sovar
>   To: Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:53 AM
>   Subject: [Mirage-Net] sound cuts in and out and signal is weak using volume
slider makes it worse
>
>
>
>   Randomly mirage sound disappears producing a faint weak signal that is
barely heard and I would move the volume slider up and sound to get it to come
back but it stays weak however when I have mirage volume at 100% bringing volume
of pa system up the signal is strong as it should be. I am thinking the volume
slider needs to be cleaned/sprayed with a safe cleaner that is ok to use on my
mirage. What cleaner is safe?
>
>   Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Most of the time, a noisy volume control is fixed just by moving it back
and forth a few tens of times. The noise mostly come from an oxidized
wiper that didn't move for long, allowing oxidation to build up between
the metal bar beside the carbon pad and the wiper inside the pot. It
rarely comes from the carbon pad itself unless some liquid as spilled
inside or in a extremely dusty environment. Shooting cleaner is rarely a
good idea unless absolutely necessary. Most pots are lubricated with a
grease that is heavy enough to stay away from the carbon pad. If you
pray the pot with a solvent (cleaner), the grease could get dissolved
and contaminate the carbon pad. The pot will stop noising first but
after a few mounts, it could get back noisy and sometimes worst.

What I suggest is play with the volume back & forth all the way for
about 20 or 30 times. If it get less noisy, continue up to about 100
times and it will self clean. If you get no improvement at all, use
cleaner SPARINGLY on the carbon pad ONLY.

Christian F.

Gordon JC Pearce a écrit :
>
>
> On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 00:53 +0000, david.sovar wrote:
> > Randomly mirage sound disappears producing a faint weak signal that is
> > barely heard and I would move the volume slider up and sound to get it
> > to come back but it stays weak however when I have mirage volume at
> > 100% bringing volume of pa system up the signal is strong as it should
> > be. I am thinking the volume slider needs to be cleaned/sprayed with a
> > safe cleaner that is ok to use on my mirage. What cleaner is safe?
> >
> > Thanks
>
> Any good-quality switch cleaner should do it. Be careful not to get it
> on the front panel, as it can attack certain plastics - use the little
> tube thing.
>
> Alternatively just hardwire the thing to be permanently at 75% volume,
> like my JX-8P ;-)
>
> Gordon MM0YEQ
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: david.sovar

To: Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:53 AM

Subject: [Mirage-Net] sound cuts in and out and signal is weak using volume slider makes it worse

 

Randomly mirage sound disappears producing a faint weak signal that is barely heard and I would move the volume slider up and sound to get it to come back but it stays weak however when I have mirage volume at 100% bringing volume of pa system up the signal is strong as it should be. I am thinking the volume slider needs to be cleaned/sprayed with a safe cleaner that is ok to use on my mirage. What cleaner is safe?

Thanks

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Thanks.
What is the procedure to hardwire volume to 75%?

David


--- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, Gordon JC Pearce <gordon@...> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 00:53 +0000, david.sovar wrote:
> > Randomly mirage sound disappears producing a faint weak signal that is
> > barely heard and I would move the volume slider up and sound to get it
> > to come back but it stays weak however when I have mirage volume at
> > 100% bringing volume of pa system up the signal is strong as it should
> > be. I am thinking the volume slider needs to be cleaned/sprayed with a
> > safe cleaner that is ok to use on my mirage. What cleaner is safe?
> >
> > Thanks
>
> Any good-quality switch cleaner should do it.  Be careful not to get it
> on the front panel, as it can attack certain plastics - use the little
> tube thing.
>
> Alternatively just hardwire the thing to be permanently at 75% volume,
> like my JX-8P ;-)
>
> Gordon MM0YEQ
>

On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 00:53 +0000, david.sovar wrote:
> Randomly mirage sound disappears producing a faint weak signal that is
> barely heard and I would move the volume slider up and sound to get it
> to come back but it stays weak however when I have mirage volume at
> 100% bringing volume of pa system up the signal is strong as it should
> be. I am thinking the volume slider needs to be cleaned/sprayed with a
> safe cleaner that is ok to use on my mirage. What cleaner is safe?
>
> Thanks

Any good-quality switch cleaner should do it.  Be careful not to get it
on the front panel, as it can attack certain plastics - use the little
tube thing.

Alternatively just hardwire the thing to be permanently at 75% volume,
like my JX-8P ;-)

Gordon MM0YEQ

Randomly mirage sound disappears producing a faint weak signal that is barely
heard and I would move the volume slider up and sound to get it to come back but
it stays weak however when I have mirage volume at 100% bringing volume of pa
system up the signal is strong as it should be. I am thinking the volume slider
needs to be cleaned/sprayed with a safe cleaner that is ok to use on my mirage.
What cleaner is safe?

Thanks

That's safe! But it does not remove magnetic particles that have maybe
tricked to the heads and  there is almost certainly some... Air is good
to clean dry dust that deposit by natural convection. But when there is
friction like between disk surface and the head, particles that get off
the disks, tend to deposit and stick on the head. What I recommend is a
tape recorder head cleaning solution. Expensive and efficient if you rub
enough. isopropilic alcohol is good too and a lot cheaper. Finally,
acetone is the best but you must be careful to avoid plastics. It melt
about any common plastics except Nylon.

Salvador Ortiz a écrit :
>
>
> That's what I meant, compressed canned air from a computer or
> electronic store.
> --- On *Fri, 11/6/09, Christian Forget /<ccf@cooptel. qc.ca>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Christian Forget <ccf@cooptel. qc.ca>
>     Subject: Re: [Mirage-Net] malfunctioning issues
>     To: Mirage-Net@yahoogro ups.com
>     Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 6:06 AM
>
>
>     Compressed air?... Avoid air hoses used in service stations, machine
>     shop or any kind of factory that use compressed air to activate
>     powered
>     tools. Those systems add oil to the air to lubricate tools and I
>     thing
>     it's not a good idea to spray oil everywhere in your drive. There
>     is a
>     risk to get a more dirty drive after this operation. So if you use
>     compressed air, make sure no oil is mixed in the air distribution
>     system. To make sure about that, use canned air. More costly but
>     safer.
>
>     Good luck!
>
>     Christian F.
>
>     Salvador Ortiz a écrit :
>     >
>     >
>     > Remove the drive and clean it with compressed air.
>     >
>     > --- On *Wed, 11/4/09, Gordon JC Pearce /<gordon@gjcp. net
>     <http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gordon%40gjcp.net>>/*
>     wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     > From: Gordon JC Pearce <gordon@gjcp. net
>     <http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gordon%40gjcp.net>>
>     > Subject: Re: [Mirage-Net] malfunctioning issues
>     > To: Mirage-Net@yahoogro ups.com
>    
<http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Mirage-Net%40yahoogroups.com>
>     > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 3:23 PM
>     >
>     >
>     > On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 18:16 -0500, PuffTUBE@aol. com
>     > <http://us.mc456. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=PuffTUBE%
>     40aol.com
>     <http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=PuffTUBE%40aol.com>>
>     > wrote:
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > i have qty: 2 ensoniq mirages- and they are both malfunctioning-
>     > > one of them reads the discs correctly- but the output level is
>     > barely
>     > > audible-
>     > > the other one fails to read the discs-
>     > > help!
>     >
>     > For the one with poor audio, check the output of each filter IC. If
>     > it's not there, check the filter input. If you still don't have it,
>     > check the 4051 MUX (can't remember the number, you can find the
>     > circuit
>     > diagrams online) that splits the DOC output or one of the TL084
>     > opamps.
>     >
>     > For all voices to fail it would need to be either one of the 4051
>     > eight-way MUXes or 4052/4053 analogue switches that switch between
>     > record and play.
>     >
>     > Gordon MM0YEQ
>     >
>     >
>     >
>
>
>

My drive was malfunctioning a few years ago and all it took was some TLC. All I
did was to remove the drive from unit and with something like a long Q-tip, I
removed the accumulated fuzz. When i compressed it together, it was the size of
a golf ball. Haven't had any drive problems since.

Good luck.

Marc

--- In Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com, PuffTUBE@... wrote:
>
> i have qty: 2 ensoniq mirages- and they are both malfunctioning-
> one of them reads the discs correctly- but the output level is barely audible-
> the other one fails to read the discs-
> help!
>
> scott
>

Compressed air?... Avoid air hoses used in service stations, machine
shop or any kind of factory that use compressed air to activate powered
tools. Those systems add oil to the air to lubricate tools and I thing
it's not a good idea to spray oil everywhere in your drive. There is a
risk to get a more dirty drive after this operation. So if you use
compressed air, make sure no oil is mixed in the air distribution
system. To make sure about that, use canned air. More costly but safer.

Good luck!

Christian F.

Salvador Ortiz a écrit :
>
>
> Remove the drive and clean it with compressed air.
>
> --- On *Wed, 11/4/09, Gordon JC Pearce /<gordon@...>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Gordon JC Pearce <gordon@...>
>     Subject: Re: [Mirage-Net] malfunctioning issues
>     To: Mirage-Net@yahoogroups.com
>     Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 3:23 PM
>
>
>     On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 18:16 -0500, PuffTUBE@aol. com
>     <http://us.mc456.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=PuffTUBE%40aol.com>
>     wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     > i have qty: 2 ensoniq mirages- and they are both malfunctioning-
>     > one of them reads the discs correctly- but the output level is
>     barely
>     > audible-
>     > the other one fails to read the discs-
>     > help!
>
>     For the one with poor audio, check the output of each filter IC. If
>     it's not there, check the filter input. If you still don't have it,
>     check the 4051 MUX (can't remember the number, you can find the
>     circuit
>     diagrams online) that splits the DOC output or one of the TL084
>     opamps.
>
>     For all voices to fail it would need to be either one of the 4051
>     eight-way MUXes or 4052/4053 analogue switches that switch between
>     record and play.
>
>     Gordon MM0YEQ
>
>
>