As to Bernoulli forces, Nederveen states, "Worman (1971) calculates the magnitude of the Bernoulli forces which supposedly influence the balance of forces on...
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kymarto123@...
kymarto
Jul 1, 2009 2:52 pm
That's interesting about Bernoulli forces. I read something rather different, which I will try to dig up. I am willing to concede that I have not read Ferron...
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kymarto123@...
kymarto
Jul 1, 2009 4:16 pm
Some good links I have never seen, including Signor Bernoulli's role and excellent analyses of the whole process (especially the first link). No comments until...
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Keith Bradbury
kwbradbury
Jul 1, 2009 8:36 pm
Bernoulli is a simple and useful equation for some basic, incompressible fluid flows (around the reed) . It is a simplification of the Navier-Stokes...
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lcchtt
Jul 1, 2009 8:46 pm
We basically need a good set of differential equations, initial conditions and a good software to solve them :). Ok! I have the software... some idea? Stan...
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tenorman1952
Jul 1, 2009 8:57 pm
... Have any of you actually done this? Constructed mouthpieces with short, fat chambers vs long tapered chambers? I have. This is what happens. Start with a...
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kymarto123@...
kymarto
Jul 1, 2009 10:05 pm
Just a quick note here. In order to be reasonably in tune in the palm notes, there is a second condition that a mpc has to fulfill in addition to having the...
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Keith Bradbury
kwbradbury
Jul 2, 2009 12:23 am
... Just a quick note here. In order to be reasonably in tune in the palm notes,....you need a constriction at the end of the chamber. ..... Toby ...
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lancelotburt
Jul 2, 2009 1:12 am
I'm sure it was mentioned before - Benade considers the neck as the constriction. Oboe: reed + staple (constriction) = missing cone volume Bassoon: reed +...
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lancelotburt
Jul 2, 2009 1:36 am
So, if one really loves the spread sound of that big fat, but too short mouthpiece, then perhaps lengthening the neck with a cylindrical section would make the...
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kymarto123@...
kymarto
Jul 2, 2009 3:42 am
Check out Benade's 1977 paper on the evolution of wind instruments. It is on pg 21 IIRC. It is at MARL on the Benade Archive page under Writings>70s Here is a...
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kymarto123@...
kymarto
Jul 2, 2009 3:52 am
Yes, it's true that the constriction happens at the smallest point: the end of the neck. My guess is that if one removes too much material in the chamber, it...
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lcchtt
Jul 2, 2009 5:35 am
Yeah! Same results and conclusions here :) Just I made blanks by myself. DannyG...
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kymarto123@...
kymarto
Jul 2, 2009 9:27 am
But all volume is not created equal. Low baffle + small chamber does not equal high baffle + big chamber in terms of sound and response, even if the lay is the...
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kymarto123@...
kymarto
Jul 2, 2009 9:29 am
Yes, it's true that the constriction happens at the smallest point: the end of the neck. My guess is that if one removes too much material in the chamber, it...
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STEVE GOODSON
saxgourmet
Jul 2, 2009 3:30 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuzjijMUYJ0 This will give you a good idea of what our new video is about STEVE GOODSON SAXOPHONE DESIGNER TO THE STARS our...
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lancelotburt
Jul 2, 2009 5:04 pm
Where's my sax's truncation start? Interestingly, as mentioned earlier, Nedvereen cites Rockaboy and Gokhshtien, stating that for conical instruments (both...
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John Delia
bzalto
Jul 2, 2009 5:51 pm
Wow, all of you seem to have an impressive amount of knowledge. Too bad someone can't come up with a piece as good as the old Brilhart white with the serial...
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Keith Bradbury
kwbradbury
Jul 2, 2009 6:28 pm
I do not consider the exchange going on as "bickering". As discussion here of what is known about mouthpiece acoustics is long overdue IMO.  I have a great...
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lancelotburt
Jul 2, 2009 6:49 pm
I don't think I have this one quite right, but it's interesting....
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lancelotburt
Jul 2, 2009 7:03 pm
... Sure John, but consider: 1. not every mouthpiece complements every horn or player 2. many players are still weeding out what doesn't work for them and why ...
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Helge Solvang
railwayreed
Jul 2, 2009 9:14 pm
Hi everyone, - I find this discussion very interesting, and I do have a question about the end of the neck. -- What influence would it have on tuning the sax,...
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slugh
Jul 2, 2009 9:54 pm
Is there anywhere on this group or elsewhere one could get the basics of mouthpiece work including definitions of all the terms (ie rollover,flat spots, window...
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tenorman1952
Jul 2, 2009 11:28 pm
... YES!!! I was waiting for someone to say this. And Toby's comparison of the "dead space" by the end of the neck and the flute, from embouchure hole to end...
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STEVE GOODSON
saxgourmet
Jul 2, 2009 11:36 pm
Theo Wanne has a good bit of basic information on his site.. www.theowanne.com From: MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MouthpieceWork@yahoogroups.com] On...
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tenorman1952
Jul 2, 2009 11:51 pm
... Steve Goodson has these for sale, called the "Neck Enhancer". http://www.nationofmusic.com/index.cfm?action=product_info&item=106&SiteCode=sgoods Paul...
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fidlershorns
Jul 3, 2009 3:24 am
Lance, I think I must be misunderstanding what you are saying in the following part of your statement below. "If I take recordings of 20 famous saxophonists...
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lancelotburt
Jul 3, 2009 4:37 am
The different saxophones, different mouthpiece configurations and materials, different reeds and different physical characteristics do indeed make a...
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lancelotburt
Jul 3, 2009 7:57 am
"But all volume is not created equal" Some observations: 1. Lengthening or widening chamber increases Vtotal and lowers Frs. 2. Shortening constriction tube...
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Helge Solvang
railwayreed
Jul 3, 2009 9:55 am
Thanks for your reply Paul, I do know of these neck enhancer that Steve is selling, but that was actually not what my question was about, but the last post...
