Brandon Wu <brandon@...> wrote:

> Here's an interesting thread: groups that use violin prominently to
> good effect.  Hmm... completely off the top of my head, I'd suggest
> Arti & Mestieri (even if you don't like fusion), Quaterna Requiem,
> Godspeed You Black Emperor (or, for even more violin, the spinoff A
> Silver Mt. Zion), along with the obvious choice of King Crimson.

What, no mention of Boud Deun!?!?  That's it, I'm not writing for
Ground and Sky any more. ;-)

This list being a spin-off from the Kansas mailing list, that band
goes without saying...

Violinist Caryn Lin has two very nice solo albums and also
contributes to a few Project Lo tracks.

The Gong album _Shapeshifter_ has some good violin work on it.

Zappa used various violinists to great effect here and there, most
notably Sugarcane Harris on _Hot Rats_ and _Weasels Ripped My Flesh_,
L. Shankar on the track "Thirteen" from one of the _You Can't Do
That On Stage Anymore_ discs, and Jean-Luc Ponty on some of the
tracks on _Lost Episodes_.  Shankar and Ponty also both had solo
albums produced by Zappa, and both albums are really good.

ELO usually used the violin as sweetener or window dressing, but
there's some good stuff on their earliest albums - I particuarly
like the violin solo in "Kuiama" from _ELO II_.

Hmmm, there's got to be more in my collection (I really like
violin in prog), but that's all I can think of right now.


So Godspeed and Mt. Zion feature violin?  I'm gonna have to pick
up something by them.  By odd coincidence, I just finished listening
to that sampler CDR you sent me, but I can't remember if the Silver
Mt. Zion track on that featured violin or not.

    -- Bob "Bice" Eichler

NP:  Zoogz Rift, _Villagers_ (I've begun the annual December
listening to all my Zappa and Zappa-related discs.  This year I'm
going in reverse order, beginning with the FZ-related stuff, and
then I'll go through his entire catalog backwards).

Review - Musical Box's recreation of The Lamb lies Down on Broadway
Venue - Music Hall, Danforth, Toronto Ontario
Date 11/26 & 11/27

     Well I was a bit young for the first go round, so when I heard on the net
that the Musical Box was going to tackle Genesis' masterpiece, I had to find
a way to get there.  I will say that Toronto is a bit colder than San Diego
in late November, but I still own a coat from my earlier days on the East
coast, so what the hell.

     For the sake of anyone not familiar with the Musical Box, they are sort
of the "king of the tribute" band and tend to take everything the 3rd decimal
place when recreating a show.  What I mean is that they not only have to look
the part, they have to have the same stage set up, the same instruments, the
same costumes, the same spoken word segments etc.etc.

     A great reproduction would have been enough for me, but in this
particular case (there being no full length film of Genesis doing this show),
MB managed to persuade Gabriel himself to loan the 1100 slide (show), and
apparently the costumes.  I'm not sure how far into the realm of support
Genesis delved, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the know commented
that it was sponsored.

     I was fortunate enough to sit next to a guy who had seen the original in
74 (a bunch of times), and he said it was identical, even down to the special
effects

1) Rael costume
2) slipperman costume
3) spinning Lamia Sheath
4) Bubble Cocoon
5) pyrotechnics
6) Duplicate Rael strobe effect where he becomes his brother John

     Instrumentally, I'd say that Hacket was freakin perfect, as was
Rutheford.  Banks was a new guy (only about 20 years old), and he did an
excellent job as well. I didn't focus very much on the drummer, but did
notice that they were at least 10 - 15 BPM fast on "the cage". Overall it was
way closer to perfect than I imagined it could be, going in.

     Highest marks have to go to the lead singer, Corteau'.  Not only does
this guy look like Gabriel did back then, he can mimic him to the point it
was hard to distinguish the difference.

Appearance - Extremely close in size and stature (note - when they were doing
the suppers ready tour, he also had the famous reverse mohawk cut into his
hairline - this should tell you how seriously he takes things)

Motion - some spots were awesome, some were performed.  For example they
played the musical box as a first encore, and the Old man costume that
Gabriel wore and the hunched over walk that he mimed, were all copied
perfectly

Spoken word sound - This was amazing.  it was akin to watching the Saturday
Night live dude do Al Gore. He had the inflection and cadence down to a tee.

Spoken word content - He kept pretty close to the exact stories that Gabriel
told between songs and sets, but didn't keep it identical.

Voice - high register, and Falsetto - indistinguishable from Gabriel - close
you eyes and you were there.  He even cracked his voice a few time (I think
on purpose) much in the way Peter does (live)

Voice - low register - Better during the strong loud parts than the softer
parts, where there would be some waver. (I'm being pretty critical aren't I).
When there was a boomer of a line, it was delivered perfectly "I need someone
to believe in someone to trust"

Despite one section on Sunday only where he forgot the words to a few lines
during lamia, I just can't imagine anyone ever doing a better job at this.

Oh yeah, and to take it to the final step, yes he played the flute parts
perfectly, even lying down in character.  Again it wouldn't surprise me to
learn he took flute lessons just to complete the part :-)

Sound and lights were scripted and perfect, though I always vote for the keys
to be higher.

There was even a smell of peach blossom in the air, though it may have been
Cannabis.

Audience was good as it was clear everyone knew the music.  The only
downside, and to an extent my biggest complaint about concerts in general.

Why is it that 15% of the audience thinks that the quiet parts are in the
music so they can scream and act obnoxious?

Note to audience, that is what the parts between the songs are for. Just wait
for the playing to stop to do your thing.

I'm pacifist or that 4foot 5 munchkin that decided to stand in the aisle next
to me and sing (scream) off key would have had to deal with a 220 pound
Republican.  (much easier to move to a different part of the aisle and get
back into the music).

Some of the subtle pretty guitar parts were almost over, by the time a few of
the idiota quieted down, (Sat was more boisterous than Sunday).

Anyway - it's probably pointless to attempt to describe the music itself
because it was "as recorded" - just what I wanted!!!

Todd Benson

> Brandon Wu <brandon@...> wrote:
  > > Here's an interesting thread: groups that use violin prominently to
> > good effect.  Hmm... completely off the top of my head, I'd suggest
> > Arti & Mestieri (even if you don't like fusion), Quaterna Requiem,
> > Godspeed You Black Emperor (or, for even more violin, the spinoff A
> > Silver Mt. Zion), along with the obvious choice of King Crimson.
>
> What, no mention of Boud Deun!?!?  That's it, I'm not writing for
> Ground and Sky any more. ;-)
> This list being a spin-off from the Kansas mailing list, that band
> goes without saying...
> Violinist Caryn Lin has two very nice solo albums >

i can't really say i like tolerance of ambiguity but she can definitely
play.

  The Gong album _Shapeshifter_ has some good violin work on it.
> Zappa used various violinists to great effect here and there, most
> notably Sugarcane Harris on _Hot Rats_ and _Weasels Ripped My Flesh_,
> L. Shankar on the track "Thirteen" from one of the _You Can't Do
> That On Stage Anymore_ discs, and Jean-Luc Ponty on some of the
> tracks on _Lost Episodes_.  Shankar and Ponty also both had solo
> albums produced by Zappa, and both albums are really good.
>

l shankar does some wonderful work with mclaughlin in shakti, as does ponty
with the mahavishnu orchestra. a handful of pontys solo albums are superior.

>
> Hmmm, there's got to be more in my collection (I really like
> violin in prog), but that's all I can think of right now.


how about jerry goodman from the original lineup of mahavishnu and now with
the dregs. he kicked ass at the dt/dregs show last year.
how about hollis brown from ozone quartet? another good one.
your right about the violin in boud deun. excellent.

btw, buy a couple of bluegrass albums. great fiddle playing there! i always
liked a one on one between a banjo and a fiddle.
jerry

np   edgar winters white trash     s/t

Damn, I passed within 30 minutes of Toronto on the 26th.  I wonder if I
could have convinced my pregnant wife to take a side trip to Toronto?!?

Greg

NP:  Glass Hammer - Chronomotree (pretty sweet stuff!)

--- soniq95@... wrote:
> Review - Musical Box's recreation of The Lamb lies Down on Broadway
> Venue - Music Hall, Danforth, Toronto Ontario
> Date 11/26 & 11/27
>
>     Well I was a bit young for the first go round, so when I heard on
> the net
> that the Musical Box was going to tackle Genesis' masterpiece, I had
> to find
> a way to get there.  I will say that Toronto is a bit colder than San
> Diego
> in late November, but I still own a coat from my earlier days on the
> East
> coast, so what the hell.
>
>     For the sake of anyone not familiar with the Musical Box, they
> are sort
> of the "king of the tribute" band and tend to take everything the 3rd
> decimal
> place when recreating a show.  What I mean is that they not only have
> to look
> the part, they have to have the same stage set up, the same
> instruments, the
> same costumes, the same spoken word segments etc.etc.
>
>     A great reproduction would have been enough for me, but in this
> particular case (there being no full length film of Genesis doing
> this show),
> MB managed to persuade Gabriel himself to loan the 1100 slide (show),
> and
> apparently the costumes.  I'm not sure how far into the realm of
> support
> Genesis delved, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the know
> commented
> that it was sponsored.
>
>     I was fortunate enough to sit next to a guy who had seen the
> original in
> 74 (a bunch of times), and he said it was identical, even down to the
> special
> effects
>
> 1) Rael costume
> 2) slipperman costume
> 3) spinning Lamia Sheath
> 4) Bubble Cocoon
> 5) pyrotechnics
> 6) Duplicate Rael strobe effect where he becomes his brother John
>
>     Instrumentally, I'd say that Hacket was freakin perfect, as was
> Rutheford.  Banks was a new guy (only about 20 years old), and he did
> an
> excellent job as well. I didn't focus very much on the drummer, but
> did
> notice that they were at least 10 - 15 BPM fast on "the cage".
> Overall it was
> way closer to perfect than I imagined it could be, going in.
>
>     Highest marks have to go to the lead singer, Corteau'.  Not only
> does
> this guy look like Gabriel did back then, he can mimic him to the
> point it
> was hard to distinguish the difference.
>
> Appearance - Extremely close in size and stature (note - when they
> were doing
> the suppers ready tour, he also had the famous reverse mohawk cut
> into his
> hairline - this should tell you how seriously he takes things)
>
> Motion - some spots were awesome, some were performed.  For example
> they
> played the musical box as a first encore, and the Old man costume
> that
> Gabriel wore and the hunched over walk that he mimed, were all copied
>
> perfectly
>
> Spoken word sound - This was amazing.  it was akin to watching the
> Saturday
> Night live dude do Al Gore. He had the inflection and cadence down to
> a tee.
>
> Spoken word content - He kept pretty close to the exact stories that
> Gabriel
> told between songs and sets, but didn't keep it identical.
>
> Voice - high register, and Falsetto - indistinguishable from Gabriel
> - close
> you eyes and you were there.  He even cracked his voice a few time (I
> think
> on purpose) much in the way Peter does (live)
>
> Voice - low register - Better during the strong loud parts than the
> softer
> parts, where there would be some waver. (I'm being pretty critical
> aren't I).
> When there was a boomer of a line, it was delivered perfectly "I need
> someone
> to believe in someone to trust"
>
> Despite one section on Sunday only where he forgot the words to a few
> lines
> during lamia, I just can't imagine anyone ever doing a better job at
> this.
>
> Oh yeah, and to take it to the final step, yes he played the flute
> parts
> perfectly, even lying down in character.  Again it wouldn't surprise
> me to
> learn he took flute lessons just to complete the part :-)
>
> Sound and lights were scripted and perfect, though I always vote for
> the keys
> to be higher.
>
> There was even a smell of peach blossom in the air, though it may
> have been
> Cannabis.
>
> Audience was good as it was clear everyone knew the music.  The only
> downside, and to an extent my biggest complaint about concerts in
> general.
>
> Why is it that 15% of the audience thinks that the quiet parts are in
> the
> music so they can scream and act obnoxious?
>
> Note to audience, that is what the parts between the songs are for.
> Just wait
> for the playing to stop to do your thing.
>
> I'm pacifist or that 4foot 5 munchkin that decided to stand in the
> aisle next
> to me and sing (scream) off key would have had to deal with a 220
> pound
> Republican.  (much easier to move to a different part of the aisle
> and get
> back into the music).
>
> Some of the subtle pretty guitar parts were almost over, by the time
> a few of
> the idiota quieted down, (Sat was more boisterous than Sunday).
>
> Anyway - it's probably pointless to attempt to describe the music
> itself
> because it was "as recorded" - just what I wanted!!!
>
> Todd Benson
>


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Keller" <jerry950@...>
To: <ProgAndOther@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [ProgAndOther] Re: Various responses


>
> > Brandon Wu <brandon@...> wrote:
>  > > Here's an interesting thread: groups that use violin prominently to
> > > good effect.  Hmm... completely off the top of my head, I'd suggest
> > > Arti & Mestieri (even if you don't like fusion), Quaterna Requiem,
> > > Godspeed You Black Emperor (or, for even more violin, the spinoff A
> > > Silver Mt. Zion), along with the obvious choice of King Crimson.
> >
> > What, no mention of Boud Deun!?!?  That's it, I'm not writing for
> > Ground and Sky any more. ;-)
> > This list being a spin-off from the Kansas mailing list, that band
> > goes without saying...
> > Violinist Caryn Lin has two very nice solo albums >
>
> i can't really say i like tolerance of ambiguity but she can definitely
> play.
>
>  The Gong album _Shapeshifter_ has some good violin work on it.
> > Zappa used various violinists to great effect here and there, most
> > notably Sugarcane Harris on _Hot Rats_ and _Weasels Ripped My Flesh_,
> > L. Shankar on the track "Thirteen" from one of the _You Can't Do
> > That On Stage Anymore_ discs, and Jean-Luc Ponty on some of the
> > tracks on _Lost Episodes_.  Shankar and Ponty also both had solo
> > albums produced by Zappa, and both albums are really good.
> >
>
> l shankar does some wonderful work with mclaughlin in shakti, as does
ponty
> with the mahavishnu orchestra. a handful of pontys solo albums are
superior.
>
> >
> > Hmmm, there's got to be more in my collection (I really like
> > violin in prog), but that's all I can think of right now.
>
>
> how about jerry goodman from the original lineup of mahavishnu and now
with
> the dregs. he kicked ass at the dt/dregs show last year.
> how about hollis brown from ozone quartet? another good one.
> your right about the violin in boud deun. excellent.
>
> btw, buy a couple of bluegrass albums. great fiddle playing there! i
always
> liked a one on one between a banjo and a fiddle.
> jerry
>
> np   edgar winters white trash     s/t
>
>
>
>

--- eichler@e... wrote:
>
> What, no mention of Boud Deun!?!?  That's it, I'm not writing for
> Ground and Sky any more. ;-)

Well, I was kind of trying to avoid fusion bands, since the original
poster mentioned a distaste of said genre...

> So Godspeed and Mt. Zion feature violin?  I'm gonna have to pick
> up something by them.  By odd coincidence, I just finished listening
> to that sampler CDR you sent me, but I can't remember if the Silver
> Mt. Zion track on that featured violin or not.

Yeah, they use a lot of acoustic strings, but generally not in your
usual melodic symphonic style.  There's a ton of violin in that
Silver Mt. Zion track I put on your disc :)

GYBE! tend to bury their violin under noise - samples, static, or
electric guitar noise - but it's still definitely there and adds
some poignancy.  ASMZ are much more stripped-down, with much less
noise, and so the violin is more prominent.

-B

--
Ground and Sky Progressive Rock Informational Resource
http://www.progreviews.com/
no: quaterna requiem, "velha gravura" (all this violin talk made me
  want to listen to this)

Hello,

I'm Gerd from Germany.
Since some time I've been subscribing to this list now.
Unfortunately, I could never find a way or topic to be involved in
here.

However...

I'm a guitarist doing Soundscapes, live and on CD, and some months
ago, I've been releasing my first CD "The Inside World"; 74 minutes
of Soundscapes, played on Guitar (with Effects + Loops).

If you are interested, you can find more information on my Homepage
http://www.schrottland.de
including reviews of the CD (in 3 languages).

Anyone who likes Robert Fripp's Soundscapes shouldn't miss this!

Four MP3s are available for download from MP3.COM. Follow the Link
"Download" on my Site to get them.

Any comments are very welcome.

Sorry to occupy your time,

Gerd Weyhing,
=:-#

-----------------------------------
We are ugly, but we have the music.
(Leonard Cohen)
-----------------------------------

another violinist  i forgot to mention is lorenza ponce who toured recently
with the star people. i found her VERY impressive.
jerry

Todd,
Thanks for the review.Glad you had a good time.I wanted to go but funds and work
got in
the way.
Pete

soniq95@... wrote:

> Review - Musical Box's recreation of The Lamb lies Down on Broadway
> Venue - Music Hall, Danforth, Toronto Ontario
> Date 11/26 & 11/27

I've had E-Man's tape for about a month now-sorry.He's turned me onto
some great bands
GERARD,TWELFTH NIGHT,GOBLIN,IL TRONO DI RICORDI&Pilharmonie.I ordered
some cds because of it and recieved Philharmonie yesterday.What a great
piece of music!On the way in the near future are the others
mentioned.Thanks E-man.About to mail the tape to
Mark Pilon.
Pete

In the last digest, "Jerry Keller" <jerry950@...> wrote:
>
>> Violinist Caryn Lin has two very nice solo albums
>
>i can't really say i like tolerance of ambiguity but she can definitely
>play.

If you can find a copy, I think her first album _Honour the Rain_ is
much better than _Tolerance_.  _Honor_ sounds more like her live
shows - just violin, loops and effects.  _Tolerance_ seems to have
gotten overproduced, with the violin (the real heart of the music)
getting buried under heavy production and other instruments.


>l shankar does some wonderful work with mclaughlin in shakti, as does ponty
>with the mahavishnu orchestra. a handful of pontys solo albums are superior.

If you can find Shankar's _Touch Me There_, get it.  That's the one that
Zappa produced.  It came out in 1979 and unfortunately has a bit of a
disco edge to it here and there, but it contains one rippin' three
minute fusion song called "Little Stinker", and another very nice
eight minute instrumental called "No More Mr. Nice Girl".  Plus a few
other good tracks.


>how about jerry goodman from the original lineup of mahavishnu

This is gonna put my progsnob reputation in jeopardy, but...I still
don't own any Mahavishnu CDs.


>and now with the dregs.

I've got two Dixie Dregs CDs and while I like both of them, I don't
find myself listening to them very often.  Dunno why.


>how about hollis brown from ozone quartet? another good one.

D'oh, how could I have forgotten Ozone?  Good call.


>btw, buy a couple of bluegrass albums. great fiddle playing there! i always
>liked a one on one between a banjo and a fiddle.

My dad's a big country music fan, and every now and then when I go
to visit he'll be watching some bluegrass thing on TV...and it's not
too bad.  The only stuff I absolutely can't tolerate is the modern
"pop country" stuff like Garth Brooks and that crap.


"Brandon Wu" <brandon@...> wrote:
>>
>> What, no mention of Boud Deun!?!?  That's it, I'm not writing for
>> Ground and Sky any more. ;-)
>
>Well, I was kind of trying to avoid fusion bands, since the original
>poster mentioned a distaste of said genre...

Ah, now I understand.


>> So Godspeed and Mt. Zion feature violin?
>
>Yeah, they use a lot of acoustic strings, but generally not in your
>usual melodic symphonic style.  There's a ton of violin in that
>Silver Mt. Zion track I put on your disc :)

Yep, there is.  Shortly after sending that email, I went out to lunch
with the jazz-head guy I work with.  Driving to the resturant, I played
a few tracks from your mix disc for him to see what he thought, and one
of them was the Silver Mt. Zion track.  He liked it, and I was thinking
to myself "How did I *not* notice the violin all over this?".  BTW, he
also really liked the Korekyojn and Ruins tracks - being a bass player,
he said he really liked the bass tone on those.  And for those who think
I'm against vocals in music - he wouldn't even listen to any tracks with
vocals, even if there were no lyrics.


"Jerry Keller" <jerry950@...> wrote:

>another violinist  i forgot to mention is lorenza ponce who toured recently
>with the star people. i found her VERY impressive.

Yeah, but are you talking about her playing or her looks? ;-)

	 -- Bob "Bice" Eichler

> >> Violinist Caryn Lin has two very nice solo albums
> >
> >i can't really say i like tolerance of ambiguity but she can definitely
> >play.
>
> If you can find a copy, I think her first album _Honour the Rain_ is
> much better than _Tolerance_.  _Honor_ sounds more like her live
> shows - just violin, loops and effects.  _Tolerance_ seems to have
> gotten overproduced, with the violin (the real heart of the music)
> getting buried under heavy production and other instruments.

i agree. actually it was your tc1 tape that got me interested in her. the
cut you included from honour the rain i liked very much. its out of print
now so i'll have to luck into it.

>
> >how about jerry goodman from the original lineup of mahavishnu
>
> This is gonna put my progsnob reputation in jeopardy, but...I still
> don't own any Mahavishnu CDs.

you ought to check out the mahavishnu project show adams putting on at
orion. if its done well (and i'm sure it will be) you might become a
convert. i'm hoping they come to chicago.
>
> >another violinist  i forgot to mention is lorenza ponce who toured
recently
> >with the star people. i found her VERY impressive.
>
> Yeah, but are you talking about her playing or her looks? ;-)


she did look good but boy she plays damn good too.

jerry

On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Bob Eichler / Michele Matthews wrote:
> This is gonna put my progsnob reputation in jeopardy, but...I still
> don't own any Mahavishnu CDs.

You know how to rectify that, don't you?

> >btw, buy a couple of bluegrass albums. great fiddle playing there! i always
> >liked a one on one between a banjo and a fiddle.
>
> My dad's a big country music fan, and every now and then when I go
> to visit he'll be watching some bluegrass thing on TV...and it's not
> too bad.

Especially when there aren't any vocals.

There's a CD by fiddlist Mark O'Connor called _The New Nashville Cats_
that shreds righteously.  Most tracks are instrumental, and everybody
under the sun in the Nashville session scene rips it up.  Most of the
Flecktones are even on a few tracks.  Every style of
country/bluegrass/Appalachian/what-have-you is represented.  I think it
might appeal to jazz fans.  For all I know, the disc is out of print (it's
on Warner Bros. - look it up).

>  The only stuff I absolutely can't tolerate is the modern
> "pop country" stuff like Garth Brooks and that crap.

That stuff is bluegrass the same way, say, Magma isn't.


--
Jason Ellerbee - jeller@...
DREAMS WIDE AWAKE radio show - http://www.unf.edu/~jeller/dreams.html

Here's the Captain's review of Geoff Bosco's TC3 tape.  As you can see he's in
his usual fine form :)

Chuck

1. Poet Liar Crucible Excellent band and CD.  Cannot wait for their new
CD 8
of 10

2. Mennonite Lady Spooky Ruben I guess for me this one song is not enuf
to
decide if I like it.  The acoustic guitar work is nice - but when the bands
gets into gear it reminds me of bad Stone Temple Pilots or similar. 4 of
10

3. Blue...? (can't read your writing Geoff) Dave Brubeck. I have liked the
even flow of Brubeck's work for years.  This is another fine example of
Brubeck jazz.  The wonderful sax, so Smokey room jazz, with the piano parts
just over the top.  Then evolving into the Lounge singer sax all alone with
bass and drums, then back to the almost honky tonk piano.  Good touch 7
of
10

4. Underground - Ben Folds Five - I suppose this is a song about making
fun
of that whole "underground" scene.  Basically these guys are lost on me.
Marginal playing ability, typical of the MTV generation.  Their humor, if
that is what it is, is lost on me. 2 of 10

5. The Goodbye Look Donald Fagan Wow!  As one who loved Steely Dan, I was
pleased to have a taste of DF again.  Really sounds like Steely Dan anyway.
Love the vibes.. That lovely metallic tinkling sound carrying the melody
-
Fagens just slightly off key sounding voice - very mellow, yet a groove
you
could run through...  Very nice.  7 of 10

6. Donate Your Heart - Spooky Ruben - I see Geoff has given me several more
by this artist to see if I like....  Musically very nice, but can this guy
not hold a note?  In one line he moves from a soprano to an alto to a tenor
then a bass.  Maybe it's the hokey effects on his voice...

Still reminds me of that west coast sound (grunge) that I've never liked.
However, much better musically than the first song by this artist on this
tape.  5 of 10

7. Tomorrow Never Knows - Beatles - One of the first times I did LSD this
song was played.  How can you not like a Beatles song.  Wish I could still
get LSD today like I had back then!!!  8 of 10

8. Memories - Spookey Ruben - Another SR tune...  I have no way of knowing
if all the SR songs are from one or more CD's...  This time the lyrics
really caught me, even though the music is just so, so...6 of 10

9. Gaslight Abbie - Steely Dan - What do you want me to say?  LOVE IT!
Aren't many bands that have such a groove in almost every song.  8 of 10

10. Hat Too Fat - Walter Becker - Odd, ...finally works into some kind of
reggae thing, very weak...  4 of 10

11. In Ancient Tongue - Crucible - Love them ,6 of 10

12. Welcome to the House Food (?) Spooky Ruben.  Okay, this is starting
to
get boring.  Can this singer please find a range and stick to it?  This
guy
is starting to scare me!!  3 of 10

13. Throw Back the Little Ones - Steely Dan - Enuf Steely Dan already...6
of
10

14. Last Polka - Ben Folds Five - Ditto my previous comments about this
band
3 of 10

15. Poem #9 & Too Late for Everything - Echolyn - Hey it's Echolyn, we are
all suppose to like them right?  4 of 10

16. These Days are Old - Spookey Rubin - I'm outta here, this singer sux
2
of 10

17. Everyone's Gone - Steely Dan - I love you already!  5 of 10

18. Take Five - Dave Brubeck - Good but boring...  5 of 10

Too much of the same artist on this sampler...

Captain MDA


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Attention fans, friends and various mail recipients picked up along the
way.......

   The ever-rocking Detroit homegirl and supporter of local music, Kelly
Brown of 89x will be spinning a song from aggressive rockers VINYL on
Sunday night December 3rd at around 10 pm. The broadcast can be heard in
the Detroit/Windsor/Toledo/Cleveland areas on 88.7 fm and you can also
access the broadcast via the web at http://www.89xradio.com

We now return you to our regular programming.......

http://www.VinylDetroit.com

In the last digest, "Jerry Keller" <jerry950@...> wrote:
>>
>> This is gonna put my progsnob reputation in jeopardy, but...I still
>> don't own any Mahavishnu CDs.
>
>you ought to check out the mahavishnu project show adams putting on at
>orion. if its done well (and i'm sure it will be) you might become a
>convert. i'm hoping they come to chicago.

I'm gonna try to get to that show if possible.  I'm hoping that
seeing the material performed live will help turn me on to
Mahavishnu - I probably wouldn't be the big Boud Deun fanboy
that I am if I hadn't seen them play live several times.

I'd really like to get to that Quarkspace show too, but my wife
works that night so I'm stuck with Daddy duty.


Zero the Hero <jeller@...> wrote:

>> This is gonna put my progsnob reputation in jeopardy, but...I still
>> don't own any Mahavishnu CDs.
>
>You know how to rectify that, don't you?

Well, it's not that I haven't heard them - I've borrowed most of
their albums from the jazz-head guy I work with.  But for some
reason I've just never been moved to go out and buy them.  There's
always a dozen other albums I want more...


>>  The only stuff I absolutely can't tolerate is the modern
>> "pop country" stuff like Garth Brooks and that crap.
>
>That stuff is bluegrass the same way, say, Magma isn't.

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that Garth is bluegrass...I'm
just saying that mainstream pop country music gives me hives.
Makes driving anywhere with my dad pure hell (that's all he
listens to in his pickup truck.  You'd think he was a southern
good-ole-boy, but other than occasionally vacationing in
Florida, he's never been south of the Mason-Dixon line).

	 -- Bob "Bice" Eichler

NP:  Miles Davis, _Kind of Blue_, which I'm sure the Captain
would give a glowing 4 out of 10 :-P

> From: Peter Abusamra <marabus@...>
>
> I've had E-Man's tape for about a month now-sorry.He's turned me onto
> some great bands GERARD,TWELFTH NIGHT,GOBLIN,IL TRONO DI
> RICORDI&Pilharmonie.I ordered some cds because of it and recieved
> Philharmonie yesterday.What a great piece of music!

Very cool, Pete, which Philharmonie one did you order, _Rage_ or
_Le Derniér Mót_ (The Last Word)? Both are indispensable.

E-Man

On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Bob Eichler / Michele Matthews wrote:

> Well, it's not that I haven't heard [MO] - I've borrowed most of
> their albums from the jazz-head guy I work with.  But for some
> reason I've just never been moved to go out and buy them.  There's
> always a dozen other albums I want more...

See, I just there must be an inherent flaw in the fabric of the Universe
for there to exist a rabid Boud Deun fanboy who doesn't own any Mahavishnu
Orchestra albums :-)

> Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that Garth is bluegrass...I'm
> just saying that mainstream pop country music gives me hives.
> Makes driving anywhere with my dad pure hell (that's all he
> listens to in his pickup truck.  You'd think he was a southern
> good-ole-boy, but other than occasionally vacationing in
> Florida, he's never been south of the Mason-Dixon line).

Yet I *am* from Florida, but could easily go another lifetime without
hearing any mainstream country music.  And yes, I can count, thank you.

> NP:  Miles Davis, _Kind of Blue_, which I'm sure the Captain
> would give a glowing 4 out of 10 :-P

_Kind of Blue_ is arguably one of the finest albums of the century.  No,
not even arguably.


--
Jason Ellerbee - jeller@...
DREAMS WIDE AWAKE radio show - http://www.unf.edu/~jeller/dreams.html

E-Man,
I got The Last Word-for 2 reasons-your song was from it and it was the only
cd the Cd Now
carried.Thanks again!
Pete

upnsm0ke wrote:

> > From: Peter Abusamra <marabus@...>
> >
> > I've had E-Man's tape for about a month now-sorry.He's turned me onto
> > some great bands GERARD,TWELFTH NIGHT,GOBLIN,IL TRONO DI
> > RICORDI&Pilharmonie.I ordered some cds because of it and recieved
> > Philharmonie yesterday.What a great piece of music!
>
> Very cool, Pete, which Philharmonie one did you order, _Rage_ or
> _Le Derniér Mót_ (The Last Word)? Both are indispensable.
>
> E-Man
>

In the last digest, Zero the Hero <jeller@...> wrote:
>
> See, I just there must be an inherent flaw in the fabric of the
> Universe for there to exist a rabid Boud Deun fanboy who doesn't
> own any Mahavishnu Orchestra albums :-)

Yeah, I know.  Like I said, it's probably just because I had
the chance to see BD play live so many times, but never saw
Mahavishnu.  But even so - for some reason I just prefer bands
that approach fusion from the rock side of the fence to those
that come from the jazz side.  I have no idea why.


> > Florida, he's never been south of the Mason-Dixon line).
>
> Yet I *am* from Florida, but could easily go another lifetime
> without hearing any mainstream country music.

Florida's not really part of "The South", is it?  I thought it
was where old Northerners go to die.  The ones that don't stay
in Pennsylvania, that is.


> And yes, I can count, thank you.

This is all your fault you know.  If you hadn't thrown your
vote away by voting for Christian Vander, we'd have a new
president by now.

    -- Bob "Bice" Eichler

NP:  Frank Zappa, _Everything is Healing Nicely_ (I really like
"Roland's Big Event/Strat Vindaloo").

On Saturday night, my friend and I trekked into northern Baltimore to the
eternally under-renovation St John's Church. The event was supposed to
start at 8pm. We arrived at 5 before the hour to find a huge line of
college-age kids snaked all around the front of the church. I spotted Mike
Potter and the Mikes and Dave from Uncle Gut up a bit in the line. That
was about it for the local "prog" community. Oh well! Their presence
wasn't required to make this a successful event since there were scores of
people walking around looking for tickets for this sold out show.
Unfortunately there we stood for another 40 minutes or so in the freezing
cold while we could hear soundcheck rolling along inside.

Eventually we did get in and found the interior to be  pretty much of
a mess with bare brick showing beneath the plaster in places. Mike Potter
noted that the last time he was there 2 years ago there were actually
holes in the roof and birds flying around inside. Luckily there had been
some progress since that time as it looked like we had a pretty solid roof
above our heads. There were no seats of any kind so we took claim to a
piece of floor directly to the side of the soundboard area which was
surrounded by some upended folding tables. The stage was not significantly
bigger than the one at Orion, yet somehow they managed an unmanageable
feat of getting every band set up on stage - a feat considering the
headliner is currently a 9 piece unit.

Unfortunately I totally zoned on the names of the opening acts. The first
was a 2 guitarist, bassist/el. pianist, drummer based instrumental
group. Who were very repetitive and lacked energy until the last piece of
their 20 minute set. I was sorry to see them stop, because they really
started getting interesting on that last piece. Think math-rock on
downers.

The next act didn't really float my boat at all. 2 guitarists/vocalists,
bassist and drummer - who while obviously very very talented seemed to be
providing percussive accompaniement to totally different songs. The music
was an extreeeeeeeeemely laid back folky downer slacker type thang that
dragged like molasses.

Finally sometime around 10:15 or so the lights came down, the projection
units started and the sound of a mournful violin broke the air - soon
joined in a duet with a cello, snaking around each other for a few minutes
before building up tension to the point where the guitar section (3
guitarists), bass section (2 electric bassists) and percussion section (2
guys switching between playing a full kit on stage right and a smaller
percussion set with tympani and glockenspiel) - kicked in. Godspeed You
Black Emperor had arrived in Baltimore.

You know all those progressive rock bands that are considered symphonic
rock, where it's usually an adequate rhythm section providing a steady
backing to one keyboard maniac recycling cliched Bach and Beethoven riffs?
Well, forget that! These folks are the closest I've ever seen a "rock
band" work together as an orchestra. No gratuitous soloing - everyone
working together to create intricate textures and carry the pieces along.
Speaking of the pieces, they were presented as one long performance, each
flowing into the next. Their albums typically feature pieces 15-30 minutes
long with an incredible sense of dynamics. Musically, imagine Shostakovich
in his latter years dropping acid with Meddle-era pink Floyd and coming up
with something a hell of a lot more effective than "Atom Heart Mother".

The show ended around 1am or so with the cellist, violinist and one
guitarist playing a very quiet mournful piece while one of the
percussionist strapped on a snare drum and snaked his way through the
audience punctuating beats here and there.

The visuals projected about the church were fairly frightening visions of
demons, phrases that looked like they came from the narration of
nightmares and black and white film loops of things like a lone man pacing
around on a street corner.

A simply amazing show and hands down the most amazing performance of
many that I have seen over the past year.

Here's the remaining dates on their current tour:

mon 12/4                washington, dc          9:30 club
tue 12/5                new york, ny            bowery ballroom
wed 12/6                new york, ny            bowery ballroom
thu 12/7                new york, ny            bowery ballroom
fri 12/8                hoboken, nj             maxwell's
sat 12/9                annondale, ny           bard college
sun 12/10               montréal, pq            olympia theater


-Adam

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                       http://www.darkaether.net/

>>you ought to check out the mahavishnu project show adams putting on at
>>orion. if its done well (and i'm sure it will be) you might become a
>>convert. i'm hoping they come to chicago.
>
>I'm gonna try to get to that show if possible.  I'm hoping that
>seeing the material performed live will help turn me on to
>Mahavishnu

I'm planning on attending this show also.  See you there Bob :)

Chuck

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On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 eichler@... wrote:
> Yeah, I know.  Like I said, it's probably just because I had
> the chance to see BD play live so many times, but never saw
> Mahavishnu.  But even so - for some reason I just prefer bands
> that approach fusion from the rock side of the fence to those
> that come from the jazz side.  I have no idea why.

MO rocks like mad.

> Florida's not really part of "The South", is it?

North Florida is.

> > And yes, I can count, thank you.
>
> This is all your fault you know.  If you hadn't thrown your
> vote away by voting for Christian Vander, we'd have a new
> president by now.

Nah, my Vander vote is sitting in a pile with 27,000 (!) other dismissed
ballots in my county.

> NP:  Frank Zappa, _Everything is Healing Nicely_ (I really like
> "Roland's Big Event/Strat Vindaloo").

'9/8 Objects' is my favourite.


NP:  Christopher Rouse - Concerto per Corde - Marin Alsop/Concordia
Orchestra
--
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DREAMS WIDE AWAKE radio show - http://www.unf.edu/~jeller/dreams.html

Jason replied to Bob saying:

-----Original Message-----
From: Zero the Hero [mailto:jeller@...]
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 1:40 PM
To: ProgAndOther@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [ProgAndOther] Re: Violin responses

> Florida's not really part of "The South", is it?

North Florida is.

-------------
having been born and raised in Jacksonville (Beach) and recalling when there was 12 miles of farm/wood area between town and the Beaches on both Beach Bldv and Atlantic Bldv.....Jason is right... we always thought they drew the Florida/Georgia state border too far to the north. ;)

  Bill -

Jerry Keller writes:
> do you guys want to let us know what tapes you might have from tc2? i
> believe there are 4 tapes unaccounted for.
> cmon, lets keep this thing running
> jerry

Sorry, I'm way behind on P&O email and am just catching up.  I just
sent Mark Pilon's tape, so now I have no TC2 tapes.

--
T.J. Higgins
tjhiggin@...
Huntsville, AL
NP: Enchant, Juggling 9 or Dropping 10