Hi guys! If you have three or four minutes, please visit the website of this funny jazz band: www.chicagostompers.tk. The band is called "Chicago Stompers" and...
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Jeffrey Jastram
jeffjastram
May 1, 2006 4:53 pm
Thank you, Albert, for having the moxie to take what, in many circles, will be considered an errant opinion. Whiteman was a relatively popular and financially...
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Howard Rye
howardrye
May 1, 2006 6:20 pm
... On the substantive issue I very much doubt that Whiteman took much from Oliver. If he did it certainly had very little effect. Any literal stealing is...
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Andrew Homzy
homzy2000
May 1, 2006 7:03 pm
... I agree. Not that Oliver "stole" - but that he took ideas and weaved them into his own context. There are many echoes of Whiteman's "Wang Wang Blues" and...
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David W. Littlefield
dwlit@...
May 1, 2006 8:17 pm
... Hi Andrew. Please elaborate on what you consider to be the "echoes" you perceived in the 1923 Olivers, and even better identify at least some of the tunes....
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Albert Haim
alberthaim
May 2, 2006 1:53 am
The flow of influences between black and white musicians was not a one-way street. White musicians found what some of the black musicians were developing of...
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Chris Tyle
silverleafjb
May 2, 2006 4:07 am
Andrew, here's a couple more for you: John Wittwer Trio (Wittwer, piano; Joe Darensbourg, clarinet; Keith Purvis, drums)Recorded in Seattle at radio station...
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tommersl
May 2, 2006 10:54 am
... Albert Haim, The discussion is about Whiteman and not white men, am I right ? I think you misunderstood it because maybe you never heard about Paul ...
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Howard Rye
howardrye
May 2, 2006 11:07 am
... Many white Americans seem to find it impossible to accept, but African-Americans are just as entitled to celebrate the uniqueness of their culture...
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tommersl
May 2, 2006 11:45 am
... The post by HR is the most enlighten I read about the subject. I want to share incident that has IMO to do with the subject : Theres a Jazz festival in my...
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Michael Rader
armstark2000
May 2, 2006 11:59 am
Howard makes some very valid points and before we start a spree of Burns-bashing and vice versa, I would suggest that anyone wishing to indulge checks anything...
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Howard Rye
howardrye
May 2, 2006 3:16 pm
... I am very reluctant to quote specifics from Ralph Berton's Remembering Bix in view of its clearly fictional "this is how it was then" orientation. However,...
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Albert Haim
alberthaim
May 2, 2006 6:16 pm
The discussion was on the question of whether white musicians "stole" from black musicians. You have completely changed the tone of the discussion by turning...
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Howard Rye
howardrye
May 2, 2006 7:04 pm
I think I have already explained why I consider that in particular circumstances it is reasonable to regard some dealings as stealing rather than influence. It...
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Mordechai Litzman
folke613
May 2, 2006 9:42 pm
Here are a few definitions of "politically correct": (Courtesy GU {Google University} Political correctness (also politically correct, P.C. or PC) is a term...
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Albert Haim
alberthaim
May 2, 2006 10:12 pm
Your definition of stealing/plagiarism is too restrictive. When we deal with the theft of a material object, the financial benefit to the thief is immediate...
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Howard Rye
howardrye
May 2, 2006 10:26 pm
... In this sentence it appears to be just a redundant synonym for "not offensive", and I can't see how that is applicable to the examples under discussion. ...
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Howard Rye
howardrye
May 2, 2006 11:02 pm
Albert, I think that if we pursue our disagreements as to what constitutes theft, plagiarism etc., we will drive everybody else mad, and probably lead the...
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Albert Haim
alberthaim
May 3, 2006 12:28 am
It is your privilege to avoid further discussion of the subject. My final point: you are unable to offer examples of white musicians stealing from black...
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Michael Rader
armstark2000
May 3, 2006 6:50 am
Howard is dead right about the threat of a fatwa. I would just like to point out that there is a difference between "perceptions" and fact. The two of you are...
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David Brown
johnhaleysims
May 3, 2006 7:31 am
' New Orleans was the stomping grounds for all the greatest pianists in the country. We had coloured, we had white, we had Frenchmen, we had Americans, we had...
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Michael Rader
armstark2000
May 3, 2006 8:14 am
Unfortunately, I don't have the time to look up things in my reference books, since I leave on a business trip at midday, but there is one brief comment I...
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Howard Rye
howardrye
May 3, 2006 8:31 am
... Cultures are very complex things and not ring-fenced. I would suggest that New Orleans Creole culture can be viewed either (1) as an independent entity,...
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Patrice Champarou
patrice_champ
May 3, 2006 9:14 am
Thanks David I took the liberty of changing the subject line because the previous thread involved too many different discussions at the same time, among which...
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Howard Rye
howardrye
May 3, 2006 9:59 am
... It all depends how you define jazz, what you regard as its essential elements. In a previous post, I referred to the "what-if-ism" of speculating on what ...
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tommersl
May 3, 2006 11:07 am
============================================================= Here is todays http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html ... Ethnic groups: ...
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tommersl
May 3, 2006 11:42 am
================================================================== I don't listen to white jazz , but the case of Eddie Lang and Lonnie Johnson is obvious to...
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loerchen2@...
loerchen2
May 3, 2006 2:06 pm
Dave is absolutely right -- the mix of cultures here in New Orleans has a complexity that most outsiders don't see. Creole isn't just French, but Spanish,...
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tommersl
May 3, 2006 3:06 pm
The question makes me think about someone like W.C. Handy who wasn't born into Blues but learnt about it after he already had a classical music background....
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Howard Rye
howardrye
May 3, 2006 3:16 pm
... This only proves anything if any of them were not "passing". Does anyone know a case of a Creole musician who was not passing and able to work with white...
