Thank you, Albert, for having the moxie to take what, in many circles, will be considered an errant opinion. Whiteman was a relatively popular and financially...
... On the substantive issue I very much doubt that Whiteman took much from Oliver. If he did it certainly had very little effect. Any literal stealing is...
... I agree. Not that Oliver "stole" - but that he took ideas and weaved them into his own context. There are many echoes of Whiteman's "Wang Wang Blues" and...
... Hi Andrew. Please elaborate on what you consider to be the "echoes" you perceived in the 1923 Olivers, and even better identify at least some of the tunes....
David W. Littlefield
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May 1, 2006 8:17 pm
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The flow of influences between black and white musicians was not a one-way street. White musicians found what some of the black musicians were developing of...
Andrew, here's a couple more for you: John Wittwer Trio (Wittwer, piano; Joe Darensbourg, clarinet; Keith Purvis, drums)Recorded in Seattle at radio station...
... Albert Haim, The discussion is about Whiteman and not white men, am I right ? I think you misunderstood it because maybe you never heard about Paul ...
... Many white Americans seem to find it impossible to accept, but African-Americans are just as entitled to celebrate the uniqueness of their culture...
... The post by HR is the most enlighten I read about the subject. I want to share incident that has IMO to do with the subject : Theres a Jazz festival in my...
Howard makes some very valid points and before we start a spree of Burns-bashing and vice versa, I would suggest that anyone wishing to indulge checks anything...
... I am very reluctant to quote specifics from Ralph Berton's Remembering Bix in view of its clearly fictional "this is how it was then" orientation. However,...
The discussion was on the question of whether white musicians "stole" from black musicians. You have completely changed the tone of the discussion by turning...
I think I have already explained why I consider that in particular circumstances it is reasonable to regard some dealings as stealing rather than influence. It...
Here are a few definitions of "politically correct": (Courtesy GU {Google University} Political correctness (also politically correct, P.C. or PC) is a term...
Your definition of stealing/plagiarism is too restrictive. When we deal with the theft of a material object, the financial benefit to the thief is immediate...
... In this sentence it appears to be just a redundant synonym for "not offensive", and I can't see how that is applicable to the examples under discussion. ...
Albert, I think that if we pursue our disagreements as to what constitutes theft, plagiarism etc., we will drive everybody else mad, and probably lead the...
It is your privilege to avoid further discussion of the subject. My final point: you are unable to offer examples of white musicians stealing from black...
Howard is dead right about the threat of a fatwa. I would just like to point out that there is a difference between "perceptions" and fact. The two of you are...
' New Orleans was the stomping grounds for all the greatest pianists in the country. We had coloured, we had white, we had Frenchmen, we had Americans, we had...
Unfortunately, I don't have the time to look up things in my reference books, since I leave on a business trip at midday, but there is one brief comment I...
... Cultures are very complex things and not ring-fenced. I would suggest that New Orleans Creole culture can be viewed either (1) as an independent entity,...
Thanks David I took the liberty of changing the subject line because the previous thread involved too many different discussions at the same time, among which...
... It all depends how you define jazz, what you regard as its essential elements. In a previous post, I referred to the "what-if-ism" of speculating on what ...
============================================================= Here is todays http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html ... Ethnic groups: ...
================================================================== I don't listen to white jazz , but the case of Eddie Lang and Lonnie Johnson is obvious to...
Dave is absolutely right -- the mix of cultures here in New Orleans has a complexity that most outsiders don't see. Creole isn't just French, but Spanish,...
The question makes me think about someone like W.C. Handy who wasn't born into Blues but learnt about it after he already had a classical music background....
... This only proves anything if any of them were not "passing". Does anyone know a case of a Creole musician who was not passing and able to work with white...
Michael I am as sceptical as you of Morton as Historian but, considering the mass of other evidence, have no reason to doubt him in this case. Patrice I do...
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