Michael.

We have discussed this poser before without resolution but a trawl through
the unindexed ' Trumpet On The Wing' produced the following :-

' On the date I found that Red had hired Charlie Teagarden to do the vocal
on ' Rockin Chair' while I was supposed to play my horn. We cut a test that
way -- and then Red and the officials on the date  decided to switch us
around  and  had me do the vocal with Charlie playing. It wound up with me
getting just one note to play on that date. After 'Rockin' Chair' Red put up
'Corrine Corrina' and told me to do the vocal. " On this side", he said " I
don't want you to play after the vocal. Just sing and sit down." I couldn't
stand there with just one boot on, Papa. " Man, I got to play at least one
note," I told Red. And right after my vocal I grabbed a high C and held it
all the way to the end--- so they took it that way.'

Conclusive ?  Not totally. There is a high held trumpet note at the end of
the side but a long way distant from the vocal. Also the phrasing of the
muted solo is very Wingie like, if possibly a shade too ' burlesque'. Also
this is not wa-wa and could possibly be produced by a straight or other mute
played into a Derby on a stand. However, I think that Wingie can most likely
be excluded and that the soloist is either Nichols ,a good mimic with rather
burlesque muted style or, more likely, Charlie Teagarden.

Anybody find an example of his  ---or more unlikely- --Wingie's muted style
?

Dave




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on 30/7/06 18:16, Patrice Champarou at patrice.champarou@... wrote:

> As soon as I had posted the link, I started thinking of a phrase Howard used
> on some other group about something completely different, "a truly
> unpleasant unmusical experience".... ;-)
> I think the excuse is that it is at least, er... amazing, I remember first
> hearing *this* with my mouth wide open until the torture was over. I don't
> know how Jean-Pierre Lion's comment was translated, but he wrote something
> like "anyone listening to either song she recorded on that day, Don't Leave
> Me Daddy and Singing The Blues, has much trouble falling under the charm of
> a forced and pierced voice, moving in a range adapted to public stage
> performance and completely alien to the intimacy of a microphone."
>
Since the Bixians are continuing to maintain a doubtless heartfelt silence
on this subject, I will quote Frank Trumbauer on the lady, courtesy of Jean
Pierre Lion:

"Bee Palmer, one of the Ziegfeld Girls, was a beautiful blonde who possessed
a most unusual voice. Her phrasing and interpretation of a song was just
about fifteen years ahead of the times....Ted Koehler wrote two choruses of
special lyrics to 'Singin' The Blues' for Bee. Lyrics for Bix's chorus and
my chorus."

It is rather difficult, says Jean Pierre, to understand what Tram heard in
her. The point, however, is clearly that this performance was vocalese in
intention as well as execution.

Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
howard@...
Tel/FAX: +44 20 8521 1098

My thanks to you for informing me of your station, I shall surely visit soon.  I
am particularly enamoured with the old timers.  At 75 yrs old I never thought I
would hear the music that enlivened my home when I was a child.

   Fred Muller

Bryan Wright <bryan@...> wrote:
           Thanks, Fred, for pointing out ragtime on Live365. While you're at
it, you might also want to check out my own ragtime station on
Live365, "Elite Syncopations." I update the station with fresh tracks
at the start of every month (next update will be tonight), and I
feature a variety of ragtime recordings spanning the past century. I
try to include a healthy dose of "period" ragtime recordings (from
cylinders and 78 rpm records of the 1890s-1950s) featuring everyone
from Fats Waller, Jelly Roll Morton, James P. Johnson, Frank Banta,
Willie Eckstein, Roy Bargy, Rube Bloom, Arthur Schutt, etc. as well
as more modern ragtime recordings by all the well-known ragtimers
(Max Morath, Morten Gunnar Larsen, Joshua Rifkin, Trebor Tichenor,
and others) and many lesser-known "independent" ragtime artists. In
addition, every Tuesday night from 8-10 PM (Eastern Time), I host a
"live" show taking requests and playing a mix of ragtime, traditional
jazz, 1920s dance bands, and a few related surprises.

You can tune in Elite Syncopations through the station's website:

http://www.ragtimeradio.org

or directly at Live365:

http://www.live365.com/stations/bixvenuti

Enjoy!
Bryan Wright
Elite Syncopations Radio




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Patrice or anybody. I am getting RHJ traffic into my own mail programme in a
very eccentric form --like large gaps and lines with a single word. It is
just about legible but hard work. The RHJ site is OK.  Anybody else having
this problem or is it just me ?


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None of  these links workScott...

Is the site totally down?

Geneva

On 7/28/06, Scott Alexander <scott@...> wrote:
>
> I've added a bunch of new stuff to the site. Thanks to Jim Monroe, Eddie
> Miller and Wim van der Brugghen for their help with some of these pages.
>
> Marlow Hardy and his Alabamians
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/hardy.html
>
> Seminole Syncopators
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/seminole.html
>
> Harry's Happy Four
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/hh4.html
>
> Sara Martin accompanied by Harry's Happy Four
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/martinhh4.html
>
> Bennie Krueger Orchestra
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/krueger.html - 27 songs added
>
> Annette Hanshaw - 3 songs added
> I Cover The Water Front
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/hanshaw/icoverhanshaw.ram
> Don't Blame Me
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/hanshaw/dontblamehanshaw.ram
> It's The Talk Of The Town
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/hanshaw/ItstheTalkoftheTown.ram
>
> Jack Teagarden Orchestra
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/teao.html - 7 songs added
>
> Scott Alexander
> The Red Hot Jazz Archive
> www.redhotjazz.com
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Brown" <johnhaleysims@...>
To: "RedHotJazz" <RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 3:42 PM
Subject: [RedHotJazz] Eccentric Gaps


> Patrice or anybody. I am getting RHJ traffic into my own mail programme in
> a
> very eccentric form --like large gaps and lines with a single word. It is
> just about legible but hard work. The RHJ site is OK.  Anybody else having
> this problem or is it just me ?

;-)
I think it's just you, the only ones who may have encountered changes are
members on a daily digest, because of Yahoo's stupid "improvements".
Please forward me the last message you got from the group and I'll have a
look - but I must warn you that I never used Outlook, which seems to be your
current mailer, and the few of my friends who do are all on holidays.

Patrice

P.S. the Yahoo group has nothing to do, technically speaking, with the RHJ
archives!

>> None of these links workScott... Geneva

Works fine on my pc.

Wouter M.

I tried Seminole and it worked.

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Midgie
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:58 AM
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] New Stuff On The Site

None of  these links workScott...

Is the site totally down?

Geneva

On 7/28/06, Scott Alexander <scott@...> wrote:
>
> I've added a bunch of new stuff to the site. Thanks to Jim Monroe,
Eddie
> Miller and Wim van der Brugghen for their help with some of these
pages.
>
> Marlow Hardy and his Alabamians
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/hardy.html
>
> Seminole Syncopators
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/seminole.html
>
> Harry's Happy Four
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/hh4.html
>
> Sara Martin accompanied by Harry's Happy Four
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/martinhh4.html
>
> Bennie Krueger Orchestra
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/krueger.html - 27 songs added
>
> Annette Hanshaw - 3 songs added
> I Cover The Water Front
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/hanshaw/icoverhanshaw.ram
> Don't Blame Me
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/hanshaw/dontblamehanshaw.ram
> It's The Talk Of The Town
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/hanshaw/ItstheTalkoftheTown.ram
>
> Jack Teagarden Orchestra
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/teao.html - 7 songs added
>
> Scott Alexander
> The Red Hot Jazz Archive
> www.redhotjazz.com
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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Yahoo! Groups Links

Geneva,
The site is up and working the problem must be on your end.

Scott Alexander
The Red Hot Jazz Archive
www.redhotjazz.com


Midgie wrote:
> None of  these links workScott...
>
> Is the site totally down?
>
> Geneva
>
> On 7/28/06, Scott Alexander <scott@...> wrote:
>
>> I've added a bunch of new stuff to the site. Thanks to Jim Monroe, Eddie
>> Miller and Wim van der Brugghen for their help with some of these pages.
>>
>> Marlow Hardy and his Alabamians
>> http://www.redhotjazz.com/hardy.html
>>
>> Seminole Syncopators
>> http://www.redhotjazz.com/seminole.html
>>
>> Harry's Happy Four
>> http://www.redhotjazz.com/hh4.html
>>
>> Sara Martin accompanied by Harry's Happy Four
>> http://www.redhotjazz.com/martinhh4.html
>>
>> Bennie Krueger Orchestra
>> http://www.redhotjazz.com/krueger.html - 27 songs added
>>
>> Annette Hanshaw - 3 songs added
>> I Cover The Water Front
>> http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/hanshaw/icoverhanshaw.ram
>> Don't Blame Me
>> http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/hanshaw/dontblamehanshaw.ram
>> It's The Talk Of The Town
>> http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/hanshaw/ItstheTalkoftheTown.ram
>>
>> Jack Teagarden Orchestra
>> http://www.redhotjazz.com/teao.html - 7 songs added
>>
>> Scott Alexander
>> The Red Hot Jazz Archive
>> www.redhotjazz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Luis,
They are working for me.
http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/krueger/Struttinatthe.ram
http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/krueger/wholltakemy.ram

Scott Alexander
The Red Hot Jazz Archive
www.redhotjazz.com


Luis wrote:
> Dear Scott:
>
> Still with problems with these:
>
>  <http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/krueger/Struttinatthe.ram>
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/krueger/Struttinatthe.ram
>  <http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/krueger/wholltakemy.ram>
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/krueger/wholltakemy.ram
>
> Luis
>
> Thanks Luis, I've fixed them.
>
> Scott Alexander
> The Red Hot Jazz Archive
> www.redhotjazz.com
>
> Luis wrote:
>
>> Dear Scott:
>>
>> The following files can't be played:
>>
>>  <http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/krueger/saturday.ram>
>>
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/krueger/saturday.ram
>
>>  <http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/krueger/Struttinatthe.ram>
>>
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/krueger/Struttinatthe.ram
>
>>  <http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/krueger/wholltakemy.ram>
>>
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/krueger/wholltakemy.ram
>
>> All the best
>>
>> Luis Contijoch
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Dear Scott:

Another set of files not found, from Harry Reser's page:

http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/reser/shesagreatgreatgirl.ram

http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/reser/ohyoultlsunuvergun.ram

All the best

Luis


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I've added Transportation Blues Part 3&4 to the Charlie Troutt page:
http://www.redhotjazz.com/trout.html

Scott Alexander
The Red Hot Jazz Archive
www.redhotjazz.com

Luis,
I've corrected the links on the page:

http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/reser/reser/shesagreatgreatgirljp.ra
http://www.redhotjazz.com/Songs/reser/ohyoultlsunuvergunos.ram

Thanks,
Scott Alexander
The Red Hot Jazz Archive
www.redhotjazz.com


Luis wrote:
> Dear Scott:
>
> Another set of files not found, from Harry Reser's page:
>
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/reser/shesagreatgreatgirl.ram
>
> http://www.redhotjazz.com/songs/reser/ohyoultlsunuvergun.ram
>
> All the best
>
> Luis
>
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Would anyone out there have a recording of "Hello, Bluebird" by Nick Lucas.  The
recording
originally appeared on Brunswick 3370.  I cannot find a copy of that recording
anywhere
and it's the only Nick Lucas record I still need.

Thanks,
Matt

To Dave and the List,

My conversations with Max Kaminsky generally revolved around the
late 1920s when he was briefly a part of Red Nichols' groups.  He
cleared up some misinformation that had previously circulated about
exactly when and where the Chicagoans played with Red (he admitted
having been off a year in his autobiography, "My Life in Jazz," of
which I have an autographed copy).  He would call me up at work at
odd times, remembering little things that were funny, though my boss
didn't appreciate it (and neither knew nor cared who Max Kaminsky
was)!

I clearly remember the first time I saw him play, in the early 1970s
at a little club in Passaic, NJ.  I arrived early, and sat at a
table nursing a drink until the playing started.  Max came in, took
off his coat, neatly hung it up, then asked the bartender where
there was a drug store nearby - he had to have a prescription
filled.  He left and came back about fifteen minutes later.  He
looked for all the world like those little old men you see arond the
garment district in NYC, also quite frail.  I began to wonder if he
would be able to play.  I shouldn't have worried.  Once he picked
the horn up, he was transformed.  It always amazed me.  He went from
being Abe Vigoda to being Hot Max in a matter of moments.  Simply
amazing.  (I was reviewing the performance for a local paper.  My
opening sentence was, "Max Kaminsky is not an imposing-looking man,
but when he puts his horn to his lips, pure gold comes out."  My
literal-minded editor - who ALSO didn't know or care who Max
Kaminsky was - changed it to "gold APPEARS to come out."  Talk about
killing a good metaphor!)

At the time I was conversing with him - the early 1990s - he was
pretty old and ill and no longer playing, but he kept his sense of
humor and was generous with his memories.  The funniest story he
told me was how he and the Chicagoans started the set under Red's
direction, and the whole band was kind of stiff, but then Red left
for a couple of numbers.  Eddie Condon passed the weed around, and
by the time Nichols came back, the band was swinging like mad.  Red
was astonished, until he smelled the marijuana.  Then he got mad -
dressed them down for unprofessional behavior, said they could have
easily killed his reputation by not waiting until intermission to
light up.  Max admitted that Red was right.  In his book, Max says
it was in early 1929, but it was really early 1930.  From that point
on, the only Chicagoan Nichols would perform with was Bud Freeman.
Condon never forgave him for that.

Lynn

The Bixians are all recovering from their weekend in Davenport.


> Since the Bixians are continuing to maintain a doubtless heartfelt
silence
> on this subject, I will quote Frank Trumbauer on the lady,
courtesy of Jean
> Pierre Lion:
>
> "Bee Palmer, one of the Ziegfeld Girls, was a beautiful blonde who
possessed
> a most unusual voice. Her phrasing and interpretation of a song
was just
> about fifteen years ahead of the times....Ted Koehler wrote two
choruses of
> special lyrics to 'Singin' The Blues' for Bee. Lyrics for Bix's
chorus and
> my chorus."
>
> It is rather difficult, says Jean Pierre, to understand what Tram
heard in
> her. The point, however, is clearly that this performance was
vocalese in
> intention as well as execution.
>
> Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
> howard@...
> Tel/FAX: +44 20 8521 1098
>

Lynn

Nice. Many thanks for sharing your memories and images of Max. I regret I
never heard him live as he never got a chance, in my time, to tour Europe.

What sort of group was he working with in the 70s and what sort of
repertoire ? I wonder if he was really so fond of the  'Dixie/Condon'
warhorses or whether it was in some way a treadmill for him ?

I always feel in him a player of wider ambition and taste.

Also, he did not play latterly with Condon, was superseded by Bill and
others. Did he give any indication as to why ? His decision or Condon's. Was
there a schism ?

Many thanks again

Dave




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In the 50s Max was the trumpet and leader for some choice (i.e.,
well-paying) Jackie Gleason gigs, including the extravagant train
ride to Florida when the Gleason show transferred its home base to
Florida.  If you recall the playboy character Reggie Van Gleason, an
aficiando of wine, women and Dixieland, there were several sketches
in which Reggie summoned his trailing band onstage - five men, I
believe, led by Max - blowing a manic "That's A Plenty" while Reggie
dipped and shuffled until Max was signaled to cut it, at which point
the band dashed offstage as hastily as they had run on.

During that decade Max also appeared at the Friday and Saturday
night jam sessions at Stuyvesant Casino, along with many other top
players who were not working (jazz) regularly.  Stuyvesant was at
least noisy when it was not positively rowdy, and one night a
partying group in the audience that was feeling no pain force-fed
one of their own to Max, who was leading a pickup band at the
moment.  Though visibly unsympathetic to their cause, Max could not
quiet them without giving in.  A young lady climbed onto the stand
and, after a one bar piano intro, sang an accelerated chorus
of "Pretty Baby" before Max cut the number and escorted her safely
back to her wildly cheering ensemble.  Every solo he played during
the rest of the set was responded to with enormous applause.

That's it.  Just a few fond memories of a good guy.







--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "David Brown" <johnhaleysims@...>
wrote:
>
> Lynn
>
> Nice. Many thanks for sharing your memories and images of Max. I
regret I
> never heard him live as he never got a chance, in my time, to tour
Europe.
>
> What sort of group was he working with in the 70s and what sort of
> repertoire ? I wonder if he was really so fond of
the  'Dixie/Condon'
> warhorses or whether it was in some way a treadmill for him ?
>
> I always feel in him a player of wider ambition and taste.
>
> Also, he did not play latterly with Condon, was superseded by Bill
and
> others. Did he give any indication as to why ? His decision or
Condon's. Was
> there a schism ?
>
> Many thanks again
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Dan Levinson and Randy Sandke Present
A Benefit Concert for
RICHARD M. SUDHALTER
Author, Musician, Jazz Historian

Richard M. Sudhalter has played a crucial role in the field of jazz.
An author (Bix: Man and Legend, Lost Chords: White Musicians and their
Contribution to Jazz, Stardust Melody: The Life and Music of
Hoagy Carmichael), musician, historian, researcher, teacher, and
critic, he has been largely unable to perform any of these functions
since suffering a massive stroke in 2003. In addition, he was recently
diagnosed with MSA—Multiple System Atrophy. With tremendous medical
bills mounting, his friends Randy Sandke and Dan Levinson, with the
help of Albert Haim and Dorothy Kellogg, are organizing a benefit
concert to help ease his financial burden.

You can do your part by attending the event on
SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 10 from 7-10 p.m. at
ST. PETER'S LUTHERAN CHURCH, 619 Lexington Avenue at 54th Street,
New York, NY.
The minimum donation is $40.00.
To order tickets, send a check made payable to
RICHARD SUDHALTER BENEFIT CONCERT
to:
Dorothy Kellogg
P.O. Box 757
Southold, NY 11971
You may also order tickets online with a credit card by using the
PayPal account danlevinson@....

If you cannot attend but would like to make a tax-deductible
contribution, please mail a check for any amount made payable to
RICHARD SUDHALTER BENEFIT CONCERT to Dorothy Kellogg at
the address above, or send your contribution using the PayPal account
danlevinson@....

ALL TICKETS WILL BE HELD AT THE DOOR.

For more information, contact Dan Levinson at (212) 533-1704 or
danlevinson@...

MUSICIANS SCHEDULED TO PERFORM:
Harry Allen, Tom Artin, Dan Barrett, Eddie Bert, Francesca Biagi,
Giampaolo Biagi, James Chirillo, Bill Crow, Kevin Dorn, Eddie Erikson,
Jim Ferguson, Chuck Folds, Joel Forbes, Dave Frishberg, Wycliffe
Gordon, Marty Grosz, Jeff Healy, Sy Johnson, Brad Kay, Orange Kellin,
Jon-Erik Kellso, Becky Kilgore, Bill Kirchner, Steve Kuhn, Dan
Levinson, Marion McPartland, Joe Muranyi, Brian Nalepka, David
Ostwald, Sam Parkins, Nicki Parrott, Bucky Pizzarelli, Ed Polcer,
Scott Robinson, Molly Ryan, Randy Sandke, Mark Shane, Daryl Sherman,
The Loren Schoenberg Big Band, Keisha St. Joan, Andy Stein, Carol
Sudhalter, Frank Tate, Jackie Williams.

We all owe a profound debt of gratitude to Richard for his
extraordinary, life-long efforts to elucidate, preserve and
disseminate the music we love. This is our opportunity to reciprocate.

The original announcement (with links to the paypal account) is
available in
http://bixbeiderbecke.com/SudhalterBenefitAnnouncement.pdf

Albert

My impression was that he enjoyed swing and some of the advanced post-
war swing, and so wanted to play some of that, though as he mentioned
in his bio, he was personally unhappy playing the same charts over and
over and over again with Tommy Dorsey.

When I heard him, he was in the kind of post-swing Chicago-style group
that Pee Wee Russell played in 20 years earlier (the 1950s), but it was
very enjoyable, and he was naturally a real jazz musician in that he
was always looking for new improvisations.  I doubt that he was capable
of playing something the same way twice, at least not consciously so.

Lynn

You can hear them here:
http://www.redhotjazz.com/krueger.html

Thanks again to Eddie Mitchell for his help on this!

Scott Alexander
The Red Hot Jazz Archive
www.redhotjazz.com

Scott,

  I love the new Kreuger additions, but these 2 files are not found...

That's The Good Old Sunny South
http://redhotjazz.com/songs/krueger/thatsthegood.ram

(When I'm Walkin' With My Sweetness)
Down Among The Sugar-Cane
http://redhotjazz.com/songs/krueger/whenimwalking.ram

I am back from that magic town, Davenport, Iowa where Bix was born.
The Bix Festival this year was better than ever. We had a stellar
group of musicians and scholars. I will just mention the scholars.

Michael Cogswell Director of the Louis Armstrong Museum and Archives,
Queens NY
Bruce Boyce Raeburn, Curator of the Hogan Jazz Archive, Tulane
University, New Orleans, LA
Duncan Schiedt, author, specialized in historic jazz photos, Pittsboro, IN
Richard Sudhalter, uthor, musician, jazz historian, Southold, NY
Deborah Gillaspie, Curator, Chicago Jazz Archive, Chicago, IL
Dan Morgenstern, Director, Institute of Jazz Studies, Rutgers
University, NJ
George Avakian, record producer, writer, Riverdale, NY

There were lectures and roundtable discussions, all highly informative.

Davenport also happens to be the town of Bee Palmer's first marriage
(to pianist Al Siegel).

Bee Palmer should not be judged as a jazz singer: she was an
entertainer. It is true that she sang and that in her stage
appearances she was often accompanied by a band of jazz musicians, but
her specialty was as an entertainer, an artiste, "The Shimmy Queen." I
go along with Sudhalter who writes in "Lost Chords."

"Bee Palmer made her first major show business impact in 1918 as one
of two performers (Gilda Gray was the other) who introduced New York
vaudeville audiences to the Shimmy.
'She was a wild chick,' New Orleans pianist Horace Diaz has recalled.
'But talented-wow! A terrific entertainer.'
Miss Palmer appears to have made several test recordings for both
Columbia and Victor, beginning in 1918, none of them ever issued. Her
final, and probably most interesting , attempt came in 1929, when she
recorded "Singin' the Blues" and "Don't Leave Me Daddy" for Columbia
under Paul Whiteman's sponsorship, backed by Frank Trumbauer and a
group of Whiteman musicians. On their evidence, Miss Palmer is clearly
a polished, sure performer, but her voice seems shrill, unbalanced
-better suited, perhaps, to a noisy vaudeville theater than to the
clinical silence of a recording studio."

So we should not judge Bee Palmer as a jazz singer, but as an
entertainer, and we only have witnesses' accounts. From all I read,
she was extremely attractive and had a great stage personality. We all
know the enormous difference between a live performance, when we SEE
and hear, and a recording, where we only hear. On a record, the
personal charisma of the artist is often lost, and when it is his/her
most important trait, we tend to dismiss a performance on record.

Dave Garrick has a very useful site devoted to Bee Palmer. Lots of
information, photos, etc. Go to
http://www.dgarrick.com/jazzage/beepalmer/beepalmer.php

As to Ralph Berton, I have written page after page after page, ad
nauseam, demonstrating the errors and fabrications in his book. To see
what I wrote, I refer you to the Bix discussion forum. Go to
http://www.network54.com/Forum/27140/
and enter "Berton" in the search function. You will get tens if not
hundreds of posts with my detailed analyses.

Albert

It was not last night and early this AM -but is fine now ;o)

Would you like me to report *here* any link errors I find,  as I do now and
then?  For instance......
........................................................................

Bennie Kreuger

(When I'm Walkin' With My Sweetness) Down Among The Sugar-Cane

Why Did I Kiss That Girl?

That's The Good Old Sunny South
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Your fantastic site is the best thing going on the net Scott!!  I cannot
thank you enough for saving our musical history like this!!  Your great
labor of love is greatly appreciated!!

THANK YOU!!!!

Geneava

On 8/1/06, Scott Alexander <scott@...> wrote:
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> The site is up and working the problem must be on your end.
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> The Red Hot Jazz Archive
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I thought I would just post a quick hello and thanks for
letting me join the group.Some great reading in the back post's.
              Stewart Mclean from Calgary Alberta Canada

Max played what today's trumpet players only hint at...occasionally,
and that's the melody. Side men who have performed with him say that
playing ensembles was a pleasure because of that. This in contrast to
trumpet players playing eveyone else's notes but their own.

I listened to "In A Mist" last night.  We're lucky to have that
record.  Also "Wringin' and Twistin'"--does anyone know the story
behind its composition?  I find the idea of a Waller/Trumbauer
collaboration in 1927 fascinating, but I wonder if it really
happened...  Jo Trent seems to have written some lyrics for it, not
recorded at the time.

--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "Albert Haim" <alberthaim@...> wrote:
>
> I am back from that magic town, Davenport, Iowa where Bix was born.
> The Bix Festival this year was better than ever. We had a stellar
> group of musicians and scholars. I will just mention the scholars.
>
> Michael Cogswell Director of the Louis Armstrong Museum and Archives,
> Queens NY
> Bruce Boyce Raeburn, Curator of the Hogan Jazz Archive, Tulane
> University, New Orleans, LA
> Duncan Schiedt, author, specialized in historic jazz photos,
Pittsboro, IN
> Richard Sudhalter, uthor, musician, jazz historian, Southold, NY
> Deborah Gillaspie, Curator, Chicago Jazz Archive, Chicago, IL
> Dan Morgenstern, Director, Institute of Jazz Studies, Rutgers
> University, NJ
> George Avakian, record producer, writer, Riverdale, NY

"Wringin' and Twistin'"--does anyone know the story
> behind its composition?  I find the idea of a Waller/Trumbauer
> collaboration in 1927 fascinating, but I wonder if it really
> happened...

According to Philip Evans and Linda Evans, "Bix, The Leon Bix
Beiderbecke Story" (Prelike Press, 1998; Phil Evans spent 50 years
researching the life of Bix. The results of his work -a day by day
chronology with innumerable quotes from people who knew Bix, complete
letters from Bix to his parents and fellow musicians, complete
discographical information, etc.- are presented in enormous detail in
this book), page 284,

"Althouh Tram and Fats Waller are listed as co-composers, it seems
more likely that Tram arranged the Waller tune for the trio to record."

Ma Rainey recorded "Wringin' and Twistin' Blues" early in 1926 (PM
12338). Is this the same tune as the one Bix, Tram and Lang recorded?

To see the OK  and Odeon labels of Bix, Tram and Eddie recording of
"Wringin' and Twistin'" click on

http://bixography.com/images/wringingokeh.JPG

http://bixography.com/images/wringinantwistinodeonswing.jpg

Albert

Gentlemen:
Please help ...
I have two records containing "Wringin' An' Twistin'" (Okeh 40916/81450 and
Vocalion 3150/81450) by "Tram-Bix and Lang".  Both were recorded 09/17/27
(I think) with "In A Mist" on the other side.  I believe these may be
identical recordings (in particular, note that both contain "/81450") but
in your conversation, the Vocalion label is not mentioned.

Are these two from the same session?  Identical takes or different?  Same
questions for "In A Mist"?  Also, were there any other piano solos recorded
by The Bixster?  The "tinkling" on these is delightful!

Another Bix fan,

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: Albert Haim
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 8/8/2006 6:27:47 AM
Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: One Bixian is Back (was Bee Palmer and Ralph
Berton)


"Wringin' and Twistin'"--does anyone know the story
> behind its composition? I find the idea of a Waller/Trumbauer
> collaboration in 1927 fascinating, but I wonder if it really
> happened...

According to Philip Evans and Linda Evans, "Bix, The Leon Bix
Beiderbecke Story" (Prelike Press, 1998; Phil Evans spent 50 years
researching the life of Bix. The results of his work -a day by day
chronology with innumerable quotes from people who knew Bix, complete
letters from Bix to his parents and fellow musicians, complete
discographical information, etc.- are presented in enormous detail in
this book), page 284,

"Althouh Tram and Fats Waller are listed as co-composers, it seems
more likely that Tram arranged the Waller tune for the trio to record."

Ma Rainey recorded "Wringin' and Twistin' Blues" early in 1926 (PM
12338). Is this the same tune as the one Bix, Tram and Lang recorded?

To see the OK and Odeon labels of Bix, Tram and Eddie recording of
"Wringin' and Twistin'" click on

http://bixography.com/images/wringingokeh.JPG

http://bixography.com/images/wringinantwistinodeonswing.jpg

Albert

Hi Albert,

Thanks for the references...  Ma Rainey's version isn't the same tune
as Waller's/Trumbauer's.  It's an interesting original song, arranged
for a jazz band, and not really a blues.  It was registered for
copyright in 1926--words and music by Paul Carter.

Regards,

John

--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "Albert Haim" <alberthaim@...> wrote:
>
> "Wringin' and Twistin'"--does anyone know the story
> > behind its composition?  I find the idea of a Waller/Trumbauer
> > collaboration in 1927 fascinating, but I wonder if it really
> > happened...
>
> According to Philip Evans and Linda Evans, "Bix, The Leon Bix
> Beiderbecke Story" (Prelike Press, 1998; Phil Evans spent 50 years
> researching the life of Bix. The results of his work -a day by day
> chronology with innumerable quotes from people who knew Bix, complete
> letters from Bix to his parents and fellow musicians, complete
> discographical information, etc.- are presented in enormous detail in
> this book), page 284,
>
> "Althouh Tram and Fats Waller are listed as co-composers, it seems
> more likely that Tram arranged the Waller tune for the trio to record."
>
> Ma Rainey recorded "Wringin' and Twistin' Blues" early in 1926 (PM
> 12338). Is this the same tune as the one Bix, Tram and Lang recorded?
>
> To see the OK  and Odeon labels of Bix, Tram and Eddie recording of
> "Wringin' and Twistin'" click on
>
> http://bixography.com/images/wringingokeh.JPG
>
> http://bixography.com/images/wringinantwistinodeonswing.jpg
>
> Albert
>