You're right.It was Irene Taylor.The copy I had was an original issue.I don't
know if it's still with me as my sister in law sold off my part of my nearly 40
year old record collection.The
   copy I had was given to me by a close friend.My sister in law Flora sold off a
good deal of
   my record collection,1500 albums for $100.What they sold out of the trailer I
was living in
   went back 40 years.I was infuriated with her;all of this happened in 2003 when
I came back
   to my hometown here in North Bend,Oregon.

Albert Haim <alberthaim@...> wrote:
           Hello Dan,

The vocalist in Whiteman's "Mississippi Mud" was Irene Taylor, who had
the distinction of being the first female vocalist hired by Whiteman
in a recording. Irene Taylor also made recordings with Seger Ellis and
His Choir of Brass Orchestra. Seger Ellis was Irene Taylor's husband.

Albert

--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, Dan Van Landingham
<danvanlandingham@...> wrote:
>
> I had "If I Had a Talking Picture of You" and "I'm a Dreamer(Aren't
We All)' on an OKeh 80
> rpm(black label popular series)by Seger Ellis.The probable
personnel(via Columbia's "Th-
> esaurus of Classic Jazz from 1962)included Tommy
Dorsey,trombone;Stan King,drums;
> Frank Signorelli,piano;Eddie Lang,guitar;Fuzzy
Farrar,trumpet;Frank Signorelli,piano;Al
> Duffy,violin and Seger Ellis,vocals.Wasn't Annette Hanshaw the
vocalist heard on Paul
> Whiteman's Victor recording of "Mississippi Mud"?
>
> Albert Haim <alberthaim@...> wrote:
>
> Hello list mates,
>
> I am preparing the WBIX virtual radio program for Feb 29. It will
> consist of a comparison between Annette Hanshaw and Bing Crosby. I
> will play in sequence recordings of the same tune waxed by Annette
> first and by Bing next. It should make for an interesting comparison.
>
> I looked over my records and found that there are two recordings of
> Annette Hanshaw that I do not have.
>
> Mary (What Are We Waiting For?)
> Recorded Dec 1, 1927 as Vocalist with Lou Gold's Orchestra
> Pa 36725, Per 14906
>
> There Ain't No Sweet Man That's Worth the Salt of My Tears
> Recorded April 1928 as vocalist with Willard Robison's Orchestra
> PA36782, Per 14963
>
> There is also "Sweet and Lovely," recorded by Annette on Sep 22, 1931
> for Harmony. But it was rejected. Is there a test pressing of this
> floating around?
>
> If anyone who has any of these is kind enough to make an mp3 file and
> shoot it as an attachment to an email message to
>
> alberthaim@...
>
> I will be highly appreciative!!
>
> Thanks
>
> Albert
>
> PS The tunes I have by both Annette and Bing are
>
> Mis Annabelle Lee
> I'm A Dreamer, Aren't We all
> If I Had A Talking Picture of You
> Ho-Hum
> Wistful and Blue
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Streaming files do not stream. :(

I alerted Scott. I will post again when system is up.

Albert

Streaming again. :-) Scott took immediate action and solved the
problem.. Thank you, Scott!

Albert

--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "Albert Haim" <alberthaim@...> wrote:
>
> Streaming files do not stream. :(
>
> I alerted Scott. I will post again when system is up.
>
> Albert
>

Hello,

I picked up some beautiful jazz paintings this weekend from a theatre
that closed down in south florida.....i just uploaded the pictures of
them to the photos section titled - jazz paintings - . I was hoping
some experts on here of famous jazz musicians could help me identify
them. I think i know some of them, but am not sure.

Kind Regards, Jeff

Hi Folks,

The February edition of Worlds of Trad Internet radio is now uploaded, will
be on-line until Wednesday March 12th, and features the very best in
traditional  folk, ethnic, world, roots, blues, old time country and early jazz;
in
fact  traditional music from absolutely everywhere.

This month’s exotic extravaganza shows us why George Lewis and Ralph  Stanley
were big in Japan; the innocents of Dingwall Primary School mull over  the
gory remnants of Casey the Cowboy; there’s a bundle of returned lover  ballads
from Sam McGee, O.J. Abbott and Roscoe Holcomb; The Kessinger Brothers,
Humphrey Lyttleton and Andy Cohen take us up the Mississippi and down the
Chesapeake; Jean Ritchie, Christine Tyrell, The Coon Creek Girls and Marta 
Sebestyn
take flying lessons; John Petters and James Campbell breathe new life  into a
hoary old chestnut; there’s some good old Yankee fiddlin’; some good old 
Irish
jigs and reels; some more of those risqué piano blues, and much more
besides. In fact, if you want to know why Hannah Johnson had to sell her Big 
Jack
Ass, and how much she got for it, you’re just gonna have to log on to  Worlds
of
Trad.

The full playlist is below and can be seen at
_http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=16065\
1486_
(http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=16065\
1486)   .

And at _http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=108617&messages=1_
(http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=108617&messages=1)

To listen to the programme, go to
_http://www.live365.com/stations/oneworldmusic_
(http://www.live365.com/stations/oneworldmusic)   , and click on the
yellow speaker button. If you haven’t listened before you’ll  need to follow
the
onscreen instructions to download the station player. Then  wait a moment or
two and the station will be on the air.

The music’s great, listening is free and I'm glad to receive  requests.

As always, this e-mail is being sent to everyone in my address book. If  you’
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(mailto:Fredlive365@...) , with the words DELETE  ME in the subject heading,
and you
will be troubled no more.

Happy listening, and all that stuff,

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_Fredlive365@..._ (mailto:Fredlive365@...)

February 2008 Worlds of Trad Playlist

Dalmatino povišcu pritrujena. Klapa DC.
Omis. CD 5068600. Antologija  Dalmatinsikh Klapskhi Pjesma

God Shall Wipe All Tears Away. The Kings of Harmony
Jass. J-CD-640. All  of my Appointed Time

Linega Linetu. Krar & Washint Players.
Playasound. PS 65074.  Traditional Music of Ethiopia

Monfrina Sol e Do. Compagnia Sonadùr Ponte Caffaro.
ACB. CD 05. Pas en  Amur: Monfrine e Balli di Carnevale (Italian Fiddle Music
from Caffaro  Valley)

Ingwe Idla Ngamabala (A Leopard Is Recognisable By Its Spots). Ladysmith
Black Mambazo.
Shanacie. SH 43021. Induku Zethu

Coal Miner's Songs of Joban. Japanese Musicians.
Folkways. FE 4534.  Traditional Folksongs of Japan: East Japan

How mountain girls can  love. Ralph Stanley & The Clinch Mountain Boys.
Rebel. REB-CD-2002. Live  in Japan

Home Sweet Home. George Lewis & His All Stars.
Telefunken. TS  3263/1-2. George Lewis on Tour

When The Saints Go Marching In. John Petters New Orleans All Stars
Rose  Records. RRCD1007. Walkin' With the King

When The Saints Go Marching In. James Campbell's Friendly Five.
Arhoolie. CD 438. Blind James Campbell and his Nashville Street  Band

There's a Brown Girl in the Ring. Children at San Juan's  Government School,
Trinidad.
Rounder. CD 1716. Caribbean Voyage: Brown Girl  in the Ring.

Rosy Apple, Lemon and a Pear. Children at St Mary's Junior School, Leyland,
Lancashire.
Saydisc. CD-SDL 338. Children's Singing Games

Casey the Cowboy. Children at Dingwall Primary.
Saydisc. CD-SDL 338.  Children's Singing Games

Il Treno. Children of Nuoro Orphanage, Sardinia.
Saydisc. CD-SDL 426.  Traditional Songs and Dances of Sardinia

Sea Lion Woman. Katherine and Christine Shipp.
Rounder. CD 1513.  Afro-American Blues and Game Songs

Skip to My Lou. Leadbelly.
Smithsonian Folkways. SFW CD 45047. Sings  For Children

As Willie and Mary strolled by the seashore. Sam McGee.
Document.  DOCD-8036. Complete Recorded Works in Chronological Order 1926 -
1934

Plains of Waterloo. O.J. Abbott.
Folkways. FM 4051. Irish and British  Songs From the Ottawa Valley

Fair Miss In The Garden. Roscoe Holcomb.
Smithsonian Folkways. SFW CD  40144. An Untamed Sense of Control

Steamboat Bill. The Kessinger Brothers.
Document. DOCD-8012. Kessinger  Brothers; Vol 3

Waiting for The Robert E. Lee. Humphrey Lyttleton & His  Band.
Dormouse. DM 3. A Tribute to Humph: Vol 3

Sailin' Down The Chesapeake Bay. Andy Cohen.
Riverlark. RL106. Play It  A Long Time

If I Could Only Fly. Christine Tyrell With Phil Mason's New Orleans all
Stars.
Lake. LACD 204. On The Road Again

Little Birdie. The Coon Creek Girls.
Trikont. US-0310. Flowers in the  Wildwood

Little Sparrow. Jean Ritchie. XTRA. 1030. Jean Ritchie

Repulj Madar Repulj. Marta Sebestyn with Muzsikas.
Hannibal. HNBL 1341.  The Prisoner's Song

Jake's Best Reel. Dwight Lamb.
Rounder. CD 0429. Joseph won a coated  Fiddle

Old Blind Sow She Stole The Middlins. John W Summers.
Rounder. 0194.  Indiana Fiddler

Off she goes. Everett Dwyer.
JEMF-105. New England Traditional Fiddling  1926 - 1975

Quadrille melody (The Mucking of Geordie's Byre). Bob Walters.
University of Missouri. Old time Fiddler's  Repertory

Pyhrrihios-Sera. Unidentified Lyra Player.
FM.  222620-354. Greek Folk Instruments

Zonaradikos. Unidentified Gaida Player.
FM. 222620-354. Greek Folk  Instruments

The Woman of the House. Seamus Ennis.
Rounder. CD 1742. Columbia World  Library; Ireland

The Ship in Full Sail. Elizabeth Crotty & Denis Murphy.
RTÉ 225 CD.  Concertina Music from West Clare

The Piper Through the Meadow Straying. Liverpool Ceilidh Band.
Rex. RLP  1001. Champions Twice

The Humours of Glynn/Grier's. MacNamara Family.
Drumlin. LHTCD 1.  Leitrim's Hidden Treasure

Barbecue Bess. Bessie Jackson.
Yazoo. L-1017. Bessie Jackson &  Walter Roland

For Sale (Hannah Johnson's Big Jack Ass). Clara Smith.
Jass. J-CD-626.  Street Walkin' Blues

Sweet root man. Roosevelt Sykes.
Folkways. FS 3827. Roosevelt, The  Honeydripper Sykes

Deep Sea Diver. Nora Lee King.
Document. DOCD-5668. Sammy Price and the  Blues Singers

Me and my Chauffeur. Memphis Minnie. Columbia. COL 468992 2. The Story of
the Blues: A documentary history of the blues compiled by Paul Oliver

The Nanny Goat. John Quinn.
Outlet. OAS 3018. You Know I Am A  Stranger

Copshawholm Fair. Bob Forrester.
Topic. TSCD 655. Voice of the People  Vol.5:Come all my lads that follow the
plough

Stanley Market. Jack Elliott.
Leader. LEA 4001. Jack Elliott of  Birtley; The Songs and Stories of a Durham
Miner

Polly Put the Kettle On. James Cotton.
Takoma/Sonet. SNTF 863. Chicago  Breakdown

Molly Put the Kettle On. Gid Tanner & His Skillet-Lickers.
Document. DOCD-8060. Vol 5

Born in Chicago. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Elektra. 7559-60647-2.  The Paul Butterfield Blues Band,

Dust My Broom. Robert Night Hawk
Catfish. KAT 3D1/3. And This is Maxwell  Street

Skibereen. O.J. Abbott.
Folkways. FM 4051. Irish and British Songs From  the Ottawa Valley

Letty Lee. Angelo Dornan.
National Museum of Man. ISBN 098765432.  Folksongs From Southern New Brunswick

Dan R's Favourite/Portland Fancy/Cronin's Favourite/The Trip to the  Doryman.
Howie MacDonald.
Nimbus. NI 5383. Traditional Music from Cape  Breton Island.






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This is the title of a study of early jazz by a Swiss researcher named
Arnold Bopp. It was apparently issued in a series of open reel tapes.
Anyone care to comment on it?

I got the reference from "Lost Chords", page 105.

Thanks.

Jim Baldwin

Does anybody have on hand a copy (JPG, PDF or similar files) of sheet
music of the tune "Idolizing"?

Thank you!
Nino

Hi Nino. Here 'tis. It's from "Dixieland Fake Book Vol. 2"

Cheers!
--Sheik

At 10:07 AM 02/17/08, you wrote:
>Does anybody have on hand a copy (JPG, PDF or similar files) of sheet
>music of the tune "Idolizing"?

Thank you very much Sheik!

Nino


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Interesting video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAgaqALyJJ4&feature=user

Lar

----- Original Message -----
From: "diamondsouled"

> Interesting video:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAgaqALyJJ4&feature=user

Not quite related to the topic of the group (some would say not at all, I
guess ;-) , but very enjoyable playing!

In a completenly different approach, those of you who are subscribed to
Bryan's hotjazz group might also like the recent
soundfiles sent by member "phatsnavarro" (sic!)

Patrice

I've spent several days exploring youtube.com and actually it has alot
of great videos from the 20's and 30's   you can search music, dance,
charleston, flappers...and on and on   it is a good site to see the old
bands   but also the new trad bands   I still visit it once or twice a
week and theres always new bands added

I have the same experience as you, and oftentimes I find very good contemporary
bands that I never heard of before, as well as great films of old bands. In the
past I would list the links to videos that I thought would be of interest to the
group. However, there was very little feedback and did not seem to be much
interest, so I stopped.
Personally, I would be interested in getting links to interesting videos. Some
collectors simply play their old 78s and there are recordings on Youtube that
are not available on the the Redhotjazz site. There are great bands that play
authentic 20s jazz in countries like England, Brazil, Holland, Sweden, Denmark,
Germany, Moldavia, Canada, Argentina etc, and I found it a lot of fun to find
them.


----- Original Message ----
From: pgronemeier <pgronemeier@...>
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:58:39 PM
Subject: [RedHotJazz] youtube
















I've spent several days exploring youtube.com and actually it has alot

of great videos from the 20's and 30's   you can search music, dance,

charleston, flappers...and on and on   it is a good site to see the old

bands   but also the new trad bands   I still visit it once or twice a

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I'm Jeff PITET and I run the French website dedicated to Cab CALLOWAY
: www.thehidehoblog.com

I wrote several short articles about musicians from his orchestra and
I'm currently writing one about Earres PRINCE.
And I must admit that it's more than difficult. Even his birth date
(1907? 1903 ?) and his death are unknown to me.
I've managed to get some clues about his first sides with the Happy
Four, Sarah Wilson, Andy Preer and the Missourians, of course thanks
to the REDHOTJAZZ website and Collectors Item 06 LP.
Then he's fired in mars 1931 by Cab who has wanted to hire Benny Payne
for a longtime.
He's back on the saddle with his longtime friend Harry Dial in 1946.
But between those 2 dates, there's nothing. Dial fires Prince due to
his "lack of talent", although there were friends since childhood
(with sax player Andy Brown and trumpet player Shirley Clay).

Prince reappears in 1951 with The Four Buddies and The Falcons, two
doo-wop groups. Then he totally disappears, except for an interview by
Frank DRIGGS in 1956, with Reuben Reeves and Harry Dial
(http://library.umkc.edu/spec-col/driggs-inv.htm), but I can't access it.
Where has he gone ? When did he die ?
I'm must say that I'm confused: I've asked many people in France,
England, Switzerland and Belgium but without result.

I was hoping that perhaps one of you could have any information about
this poor fellow, forgotten by every dictionary. The tiniest clue
would be very helpful!

Thank you for your help.

International Musician reports of  The Missourians show him as Earres M.
Prince, which, given how rare the name is, strongly suggests that he is the
Earres Martin Prince who registered for the draft in St. Louis in 1918, even
though he is not shown as a musician and was working for the MK&T Freight
Office. If this identification holds good he was born in Jackson, Missouri,
on 26 September 1896.

The Earres M. Prince born 1896 was a Private in the U.S. Army whose service
started on 26 September 1918, and who died on 23 April 1957 and is buried in
Long Island National Cemetery.

He is not indexed in any census under the name Earres Prince. No doubt some
lateral thinking about indexing errors would uncover him.

It must be stressed that there is no proof that Earres Martin Prince
1896-1957 is the pianist!


Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
howard@...
Tel/FAX: +44 20 8521 1098

My notes are as follows:


   EARRES PRINCE  (piano)  was born Earres M. Prince on 26 September 1896,
possibly at Texas, Lee County, Arkansas.
   He enlisted in the US Army on 26 September 1918.
   His Army service ended on 28 November 1918, when he was still a Private.
   He recorded at New York City in 1925 for OKeh, behind Sara Martin.
   He died on 23 April 1957 and was interred at Long Island National Cemetery,
2040 Wellwood Avenue, Farmingdale, New York 11735-1211, Section 2a Site 4499, on
26 April 1957.

   So, now we have identical birth and death dates but some discrepancy as to
origin.  I regret to say that I have no idea of the source of the report as to
Arkansas origin.

   Bob

Howard Rye <howard@...> wrote:
           International Musician reports of The Missourians show him as Earres
M.
Prince, which, given how rare the name is, strongly suggests that he is the
Earres Martin Prince who registered for the draft in St. Louis in 1918, even
though he is not shown as a musician and was working for the MK&T Freight
Office. If this identification holds good he was born in Jackson, Missouri,
on 26 September 1896.

The Earres M. Prince born 1896 was a Private in the U.S. Army whose service
started on 26 September 1918, and who died on 23 April 1957 and is buried in
Long Island National Cemetery.

He is not indexed in any census under the name Earres Prince. No doubt some
lateral thinking about indexing errors would uncover him.

It must be stressed that there is no proof that Earres Martin Prince
1896-1957 is the pianist!

Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
howard@...
Tel/FAX: +44 20 8521 1098






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I am from Argentina, I am a fan of jazz since i was a child and I love
red  hot jazz archives. First,sorry, because my english is not good.
Well I want to thanks Internet for to let all of us to search in
thousands of items in which millions of people are interested. I wish
to thank to youtube, and all those who upload beatiful videos, some
invaluables. Well, I hope to contribute some interesting to all of
you.thanks.

Please don't forget Italy!

Look out here:
<http://it.youtube.com/results?
search_query=savannah+serenaders&search_type=>

That is one of the bands I am currently play with.

All the best,
Nino

--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, Mordechai Litzman <folke613@...>
wrote:
>
> I have the same experience as you, and oftentimes I find very good
contemporary bands that I never heard of before, as well as great
films of old bands.
In the past I would list the links to videos that I thought would be
of interest to the group.
......
  There are great bands that play authentic 20s jazz in countries like
England, Brazil, Holland, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Moldavia, Canada,
Argentina etc, and I found it a lot of fun to find them.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: pgronemeier <pgronemeier@...>
> To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:58:39 PM
> Subject: [RedHotJazz] youtube
> I've spent several days exploring youtube.com and actually it has
alot of great videos from the 20's and 30's   you can search music,
dance, charleston, flappers...and on and on   it is a good site to
see the old bands   but also the new trad bands   I still visit it
once or twice a week and theres always new bands added
>

Howard, Bob,

Thank you very much for those great news (for me!). I had a doubt
about that Earres M. Prince, but that first name is quite rare.
It is difficult to get an idea about his talent because he never
really had a chance to get a prominent rank with the tunes he played.
Unfortunately, even his good friend Harry Dial fired him in 1946.

There's a title named after him, "Prince's boogie", that he certainly
wrote. Alfred Bell recorded it at the piano with Harry Dial's quartet
(march 1950). There's only one broadcast of Dial with Prince at the
piano recorded on august 27, 1946 (IAJRC7), but I don't own it. If you
have the opportunity to listen to it, please tell me what you think
about his playing.
It seems that the last job Prince had was pianist at the LUCKY's (a
stipper club) in New York, with Lester Boone and Harry Dial. When he
died he was replaced by Jimmy Reynolds. So, this 1956 interview by
Frank DRIGGS seems to be his final testimony.


Whatever happens next, I would like to thank you sincerely for the
wonderful help you provided me. So fast, so efficient!


Jeff PITET


--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, Bob Eagle <prof_hi_jinx@...> wrote:
>
> My notes are as follows:
>
>
>   EARRES PRINCE  (piano)  was born Earres M. Prince on 26 September
1896, possibly at Texas, Lee County, Arkansas.
>   He enlisted in the US Army on 26 September 1918.
>   His Army service ended on 28 November 1918, when he was still a
Private.
>   He recorded at New York City in 1925 for OKeh, behind Sara Martin.
>   He died on 23 April 1957 and was interred at Long Island National
Cemetery, 2040 Wellwood Avenue, Farmingdale, New York 11735-1211,
Section 2a Site 4499, on 26 April 1957.
>
>   So, now we have identical birth and death dates but some
discrepancy as to origin.  I regret to say that I have no idea of the
source of the report as to Arkansas origin.
>
>   Bob
>
> Howard Rye <howard@...> wrote:
>           International Musician reports of The Missourians show him
as Earres M.
> Prince, which, given how rare the name is, strongly suggests that he
is the
> Earres Martin Prince who registered for the draft in St. Louis in
1918, even
> though he is not shown as a musician and was working for the MK&T
Freight
> Office. If this identification holds good he was born in Jackson,
Missouri,
> on 26 September 1896.
>
> The Earres M. Prince born 1896 was a Private in the U.S. Army whose
service
> started on 26 September 1918, and who died on 23 April 1957 and is
buried in
> Long Island National Cemetery.
>
> He is not indexed in any census under the name Earres Prince. No
doubt some
> lateral thinking about indexing errors would uncover him.
>
> It must be stressed that there is no proof that Earres Martin Prince
> 1896-1957 is the pianist!
>
> Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
> howard@...
> Tel/FAX: +44 20 8521 1098
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Of course Italy has several fine bands; I did not mean to be all inclusive in my
listing of countries.  However, the list shows that perhaps there is a greater
interest in 20's jazz outside of the US at the present time, although there are
a number of fine bands in the US.

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From: conn20k <ofellows@...>
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:02:47 AM
Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: youtube














             Please don't forget Italy!



Look out here:

<http://it.youtube. com/results?

search_query= savannah+ serenaders& search_type= >



That is one of the bands I am currently play with.



All the best,

Nino



--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com, Mordechai Litzman <folke613@.. .>

wrote:

>

> I have the same experience as you, and oftentimes I find very good

contemporary bands that I never heard of before, as well as great

films of old bands.

In the past I would list the links to videos that I thought would be

of interest to the group.

......

  There are great bands that play authentic 20s jazz in countries like

England, Brazil, Holland, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Moldavia, Canada,

Argentina etc, and I found it a lot of fun to find them.

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: pgronemeier <pgronemeier@ ...>

> To: RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com

> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:58:39 PM

> Subject: [RedHotJazz] youtube

> I've spent several days exploring youtube.com and actually it has

alot of great videos from the 20's and 30's   you can search music,

dance, charleston, flappers...and on and on   it is a good site to

see the old bands   but also the new trad bands   I still visit it

once or twice a week and theres always new bands added

>














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Some days ago I was listening to Bix Beiderbecke, cheking to this
wonderful page www.redhotjazzarchives.com, I was deriving to diverse
orchestras that Bix integrated in his short life, and ended up at this
incredible demonstration(proof) of swing and force that is " My pretty
girl " recording of 1927, with Jean Goldkette's orchestra and well,
the fact it is that Goldkette's recorded again the year 1958
and...Good, there the obvious demonstration(proof) of the difference
in the vitality and creativity of the topic. The recording of 1927 is
  incomparably distant view!!! What power, what soloists, what hot!!! I
strongly recomend to all the fans of the jazz they do the comparison
and then  tell me.The two versions are together in the same page in
Red Hot Jazz Arch(Jean Goldkette and his Orchestra).  Well, throughout
the days and as arise, I will go posting  my reflections on the music
that inspires my life and fulfils(fills) my feelings... Up the jazz
forever!!!  PD All solos are wornderfull, Jimmy Dorsey, Joe Venutti,
Trum but I am impressed by the bass ...incredible that bass!!!

Howard is correct in implying that an unusual spelling is no guarantee of
finding someone in the census.

   Using the next of kin in the 1918 draft card (Corra), we find Cora and her
husband Greely (both aged 38) at 2630 Randolph Street, St Louis in the 1910
Census, with 13-year-old son Eris (sic).  Cora had had 3 children, of whom only
2 survived to 1910.

   Living at the same address (!) was the family of Harry Dial, then aged 3, born
in Alabama to Charles and Clara Dial.  This accords with what we know of Harry.

   The presence of Dial in the same building clinches it for me.  Such long
coincidences just don't happen without cause.

   Greely (a butcher) and Cora had been listed in St Louis in 1900, with son Eris
(sic) M. Prince, whose birth month was September 1896, born MO.

   Just when it seemed we would all know how to pronounce Earres (as Eris), the
1920 Census lists him as Areas, with the family name spelled Prinz.  He was a
laborer at that time.

   He seems not to be listed in the 1930 census, but his 1942 draft card has him
in NY, with wife Ruth, and he was working at Chancellor Manor, Newark.  I assume
this was a club, but it is only an assumption.

   None of this has any connection with Arkansas, so I think that doubt has been
resolved, also.

   Bob


Jeff PITET from France <thehidehoblog@...> wrote:
           Howard, Bob,

Thank you very much for those great news (for me!). I had a doubt
about that Earres M. Prince, but that first name is quite rare.
It is difficult to get an idea about his talent because he never
really had a chance to get a prominent rank with the tunes he played.
Unfortunately, even his good friend Harry Dial fired him in 1946.

There's a title named after him, "Prince's boogie", that he certainly
wrote. Alfred Bell recorded it at the piano with Harry Dial's quartet
(march 1950). There's only one broadcast of Dial with Prince at the
piano recorded on august 27, 1946 (IAJRC7), but I don't own it. If you
have the opportunity to listen to it, please tell me what you think
about his playing.
It seems that the last job Prince had was pianist at the LUCKY's (a
stipper club) in New York, with Lester Boone and Harry Dial. When he
died he was replaced by Jimmy Reynolds. So, this 1956 interview by
Frank DRIGGS seems to be his final testimony.

Whatever happens next, I would like to thank you sincerely for the
wonderful help you provided me. So fast, so efficient!

Jeff PITET

--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, Bob Eagle <prof_hi_jinx@...> wrote:
>
> My notes are as follows:
>
>
> EARRES PRINCE (piano) was born Earres M. Prince on 26 September
1896, possibly at Texas, Lee County, Arkansas.
> He enlisted in the US Army on 26 September 1918.
> His Army service ended on 28 November 1918, when he was still a
Private.
> He recorded at New York City in 1925 for OKeh, behind Sara Martin.
> He died on 23 April 1957 and was interred at Long Island National
Cemetery, 2040 Wellwood Avenue, Farmingdale, New York 11735-1211,
Section 2a Site 4499, on 26 April 1957.
>
> So, now we have identical birth and death dates but some
discrepancy as to origin. I regret to say that I have no idea of the
source of the report as to Arkansas origin.
>
> Bob
>
> Howard Rye <howard@...> wrote:
> International Musician reports of The Missourians show him
as Earres M.
> Prince, which, given how rare the name is, strongly suggests that he
is the
> Earres Martin Prince who registered for the draft in St. Louis in
1918, even
> though he is not shown as a musician and was working for the MK&T
Freight
> Office. If this identification holds good he was born in Jackson,
Missouri,
> on 26 September 1896.
>
> The Earres M. Prince born 1896 was a Private in the U.S. Army whose
service
> started on 26 September 1918, and who died on 23 April 1957 and is
buried in
> Long Island National Cemetery.
>
> He is not indexed in any census under the name Earres Prince. No
doubt some
> lateral thinking about indexing errors would uncover him.
>
> It must be stressed that there is no proof that Earres Martin Prince
> 1896-1957 is the pianist!
>
> Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
> howard@...
> Tel/FAX: +44 20 8521 1098
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Hola pibe!

Just to make certain that we are on the same page, the clarinetist in
Jean Goldkette's "My Pretty Girl" is Danny Polo. Polo replaced Jimmy
Dorsey who had replaced Don Murray, the regular cl/sax player for
Goldkette.

Saludos,

Albert
http://bixbeiderbecke.com



  --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "jpibe_ar" <jpibe_ar@...> wrote:
>
> Some days ago I was listening to Bix Beiderbecke, cheking to this
> wonderful page www.redhotjazzarchives.com, I was deriving to diverse
> orchestras that Bix integrated in his short life, and ended up at this
> incredible demonstration(proof) of swing and force that is " My pretty
> girl " recording of 1927, with Jean Goldkette's orchestra and well,
> the fact it is that Goldkette's recorded again the year 1958
> and...Good, there the obvious demonstration(proof) of the difference
> in the vitality and creativity of the topic. The recording of 1927 is
>  incomparably distant view!!! What power, what soloists, what hot!!! I
> strongly recomend to all the fans of the jazz they do the comparison
> and then  tell me.The two versions are together in the same page in
> Red Hot Jazz Arch(Jean Goldkette and his Orchestra).  Well, throughout
> the days and as arise, I will go posting  my reflections on the music
> that inspires my life and fulfils(fills) my feelings... Up the jazz
> forever!!!  PD All solos are wornderfull, Jimmy Dorsey, Joe Venutti,
> Trum but I am impressed by the bass ...incredible that bass!!!
>

Which reminds me, it is JD's birthday today!

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Albert Haim
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:39 PM
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: "My pretty girl"

Hola pibe!

Just to make certain that we are on the same page, the clarinetist in
Jean Goldkette's "My Pretty Girl" is Danny Polo. Polo replaced Jimmy
Dorsey who had replaced Don Murray, the regular cl/sax player for
Goldkette.

Saludos,

Albert
http://bixbeiderbecke.com



  --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "jpibe_ar" <jpibe_ar@...> wrote:
>
> Some days ago I was listening to Bix Beiderbecke, cheking to this
> wonderful page www.redhotjazzarchives.com, I was deriving to diverse
> orchestras that Bix integrated in his short life, and ended up at this
> incredible demonstration(proof) of swing and force that is " My pretty
> girl " recording of 1927, with Jean Goldkette's orchestra and well,
> the fact it is that Goldkette's recorded again the year 1958
> and...Good, there the obvious demonstration(proof) of the difference
> in the vitality and creativity of the topic. The recording of 1927 is
>  incomparably distant view!!! What power, what soloists, what hot!!! I
> strongly recomend to all the fans of the jazz they do the comparison
> and then  tell me.The two versions are together in the same page in
> Red Hot Jazz Arch(Jean Goldkette and his Orchestra).  Well, throughout
> the days and as arise, I will go posting  my reflections on the music
> that inspires my life and fulfils(fills) my feelings... Up the jazz
> forever!!!  PD All solos are wornderfull, Jimmy Dorsey, Joe Venutti,
> Trum but I am impressed by the bass ...incredible that bass!!!
>




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It is true, Jimmy was born in a leap year (1904) on february 29´, great musician
Jimmy R.I.P.

Ron L <lherault@...> escribió:                               Which reminds
me, it is JD's birthday today!

  Ron L

  -----Original Message-----
  From: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com] On
  Behalf Of Albert Haim
  Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:39 PM
  To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: "My pretty girl"

  Hola pibe!

  Just to make certain that we are on the same page, the clarinetist in
  Jean Goldkette's "My Pretty Girl" is Danny Polo. Polo replaced Jimmy
  Dorsey who had replaced Don Murray, the regular cl/sax player for
  Goldkette.

  Saludos,

  Albert
  http://bixbeiderbecke.com

  --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "jpibe_ar" <jpibe_ar@...> wrote:
  >
  > Some days ago I was listening to Bix Beiderbecke, cheking to this
  > wonderful page www.redhotjazzarchives.com, I was deriving to diverse
  > orchestras that Bix integrated in his short life, and ended up at this
  > incredible demonstration(proof) of swing and force that is " My pretty
  > girl " recording of 1927, with Jean Goldkette's orchestra and well,
  > the fact it is that Goldkette's recorded again the year 1958
  > and...Good, there the obvious demonstration(proof) of the difference
  > in the vitality and creativity of the topic. The recording of 1927 is
  >  incomparably distant view!!! What power, what soloists, what hot!!! I
  > strongly recomend to all the fans of the jazz they do the comparison
  > and then  tell me.The two versions are together in the same page in
  > Red Hot Jazz Arch(Jean Goldkette and his Orchestra).  Well, throughout
  > the days and as arise, I will go posting  my reflections on the music
  > that inspires my life and fulfils(fills) my feelings... Up the jazz
  > forever!!!  PD All solos are wornderfull, Jimmy Dorsey, Joe Venutti,
  > Trum but I am impressed by the bass ...incredible that bass!!!
  >

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Hey Patrice

Not to start something but  will{would}{can} if we post youtube videos
they are interesting but there are many   its up to you

----- Original Message -----
From: "pgronemeier"

> Hey Patrice
>
> Not to start something but  will{would}{can} if we post youtube videos
> they are interesting but there are many   its up to you

Hi Paul

I'm not sure I got your words 5/5, but I suppose I get the meaning ;-)

Don't worry, you'll hear me shout on time. I suppose everyone is aware that
there are plenty of footages on youtube worth mentioning, I just trust you
not to overdo it. A nearly 600 members group (13 more and we've reached
that!) could as well be flooded with several topics at a time, some of which
would not necessarily raise everyone's interest. It is not the case, and I
suppose subscribers know what they're doing (except maybe the last one, who
broke the record by leaving after 12 hours!)

Patrice

Hello all,

I'm interested to know just how many of us came to our appreciation of early
jazz the round about way. For example: with myself it was a room mate whose
aquainting me with Miles Davis that first got the juices flowing so to speak,
Miles of the Bitches Brew era none the less, lol. I was totally ignorant to
begin with, didn't get it and had to be taught how to listen, lol. Listen for
things other than what I listened for in rock, folk, pop. It was an education.
Thank you Eugene!!! Gradually, over the years, I began working my way backwards;
through Thelonius, Bird, early Miles; back to Louis, Mr. Waller and Jack T, 
then back even further to the roots: Morton, Bessie, and Pine Top.

Anyone else take the round about way?

Cheers

Larry

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"  Larry Rowe" <rowe@...> asked:I

I'm interested to know just how many of us came to our appreciation of
early jazz the round about way.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

I guess I went backward in time as well -- just not over anywhere as long a
journey.

My Dad was a Benny Goodman fan; he would call me to the living room every time
he heard Goodman on the radio (we didn't have a phonograph until I was able, as
a little kid, to hook up a turntable to the big Admiral radio we had in the
living room.

I became a BG fan, too, especially with his small group (trio, quartet, quintet,
sextet).

Then I took piano lessons from a guy who taught me to play with a fake book (he
had a career accompanying silent films). Very quickly I was able to play
recognizable stuff.

I was 10.

When I got to high school, somehow a number of other guys who could play and I
got into Dixieland -- aided by the intense Dixie revival of the early '50s --
before Elvis and the Beatles took over the popular media.

We went on to put together a Dixieland band when I was a high-school senior --
we played for dances, on a TV talent show, and wherever anyone would listen.

My love of trad jazz was intensified when I attended college in Boston, and
caught the big-name, old-time, Dixie bands that came through and played at the
Savoy and other clubs, to say nothing of Symphony  Hall!

Oh, for the old days!

Very few venues for trad jazz groups now -- I'm working in the area to develop
others.

Larry Swain

Any information on his family ties in Baltimore during the first
decade of the 20th century...?  Specifically, I'm wondering if he's
related to Harriette Snowden of Baltimore (an early supporter of
Father Divine).