Replied off list.

Ron L

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From: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of tiffany_hingle
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:58 PM
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: Tenor banjo music

Ron do you know much on Jazz bands from the 30's

Thanks for your reply.

I suddenly began having no success watching YouTube videos with FireFox, even
though I've been using it for that for a long time, and thought I was having the
same problem with your material, as I couldn't get the mp3s to play, either.

Visit to FireFox help revealed that others are having the same problem, so they
switch to Internet Explorer browser and everything works.

So that's what I did to listen to your cuts, which sound just fine -- THANKS!

Larry


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From: "Robert Hellyer" <dot9bh@...>
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 8:42:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [RedHotJazz] Re: Tenor banjo music

Larry,
There's nothing to watch. It's all audio. You might try clicking on the
beginning of the
bar to see if that gets it working. This is an MP3 file.
Hope this helps,
Bob

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From: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
l.swain@...
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:43 PM
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Re: Tenor banjo music

Urb:

How enticing!

Jimmy and Carrie are friends, and we enjoy seeing them at the Colonial Inn --
we'll see
Jimmy tomorrow night at the Sherborn Inn where he'll be playing with John
Clark's
Wolverines.

So I tried, without success, to watch

http://kafalas.net/jazz/archives/29

Once the horizontal bar was all green, "Buffering" continued to flash, and I
couldn't get
it to play.

Any suggestions? My PC runs Windows XP.

Hopefully,

Larry Swain


----- Original Message -----
From: "urbie4" <urbie4@...>
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2008 9:30:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: Tenor banjo music

I'm a little behind the curve with this thread (July!), but there
might be some interest in a Jimmy Mazzy podcast that I crank out on a
monthly basis:

http://www.kafalas.net/jazz

It's from a regular session he had about 20 years ago. (Actually, the
session is still ongoing, but the ones I taped were from '88-9.)

You can also get the podcast on iTunes, by searching for JIMMY MAZZY.

Urb

--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, l.swain@... wrote:
>
> Google Jimmy Mazzy for lots of Web sites to hear him play in many
different groups.
>
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Frank ,

   I do not know how to put the pictures on flicker. But I did email 16
photo's to Ron .. Ron is more than welcome to post the pictures w/ my
contact info.

Tiffany

[Moderator's suggestion : maybe it would be a good idea to post the URL for
those who have no idea where "there" can be]

Ok I managed to put some pictures on here. Go check them out .

Tiffany

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RedHotJazz/photos/album/854336427/pic/list


Here is the link. As I have time I'll add more of whats in the scrap
book.

Currently I work full time and LPN school at night so please grant me
some time on this one. I noticed on the web there are only 2 photo's
of Art Landrys band so I have to say I'm greatful I think I have a few
.  If any one can Identify any of the men in these photo's please do.
I'll do my best to put up as much info as possible from what is in the
scrapbook.

Tiffany

On February 18, 1931 King Oliver & His Orchestra recorded three titles, viz.:
Where That Ol' Man River Flows
Sugar Blues
I'm Crazy About My Baby
Allen and Rust list the orchestra as King Oliver and ten unknowns.
My query is whether any more information has been unearthed specifically about
this orchestra, or more generally about the other unknowns scattered about the
discography?

Any information will be gratefully received, and diligently noted.

Bob Smith

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Hello Bob

We have considered Oliver, wa-wa  and specifically 'Sugar Blues' here
before.

The personnel in Rust-2 is largely unknowns, however, by the time of the
Frog reissue of 2000, a complete 'probable' personnel has emerged,
provenance unknown to me. The trombonist is listed here as, and sounds like,
Bennie Morton. Morton was with Henderson at this time, as was Rex Stewart
who always claimed a date with Oliver.

To my ears, the broad  wa-wa solo on 'Sugar'  cannot be Oliver and the solo
on 'I'm Crazy' sounds like Rex.

Suggested comparisons, the Henderson 'I'm Crazy' of April 25 1931, on which
both Rex and Morton solo extensively, and the 1923 'Sugar' of Johhny Dunn,
to whose style the wa-wa of the Oliver version is much nearer than to Oliver
himself.

Why was 'Sugar' resurrected in 1931 ? Was it a deliberate attempt at
archaism ? It is possible to hear the solo here as a pastiche of Dunn and my
guess it is Rex.

As far as I know, 'Where That  Old Man River Flows' was never issued and
does not survive.

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This has been worked over too often to arouse much enthusiasm I¹m afraid. We
don¹t know. We never will know.

The Frog personnel is probably the one speculated by Laurie Wright on the
basis of the personnel Oliver was assembling for a forthcoming tour and
various interview data.

He also thinks it is Morton aurally but Morton consistently over many years
denied that he ever worked with Oliver. Fred Skerritt identified himself,
and named Elkins, Morton, Barnes, Wheeler, Nipton and Moore. There is other
more nebulous stuff from Clyde Bernhardt who said he was meant to be a
second trombonist but Oliver failed to contact him in time. He also
identified Morton and said the pianist was Henry Duncan.

The solo charts attribute the wa wa solo on Sugar to Oliver.

Don¹t understand the puzzle about Sugar Blues. Clyde McCoy recorded his
definitive corn version for Columbia on 22 January 1931. Brunswick were
covering it with a cheap band.


on 17/11/2008 09:57, David Brown at johnhaleysims@... wrote:

>
>
>
> Hello Bob
>
> We have considered Oliver, wa-wa  and specifically 'Sugar Blues' here
> before.
>
> The personnel in Rust-2 is largely unknowns, however, by the time of the
> Frog reissue of 2000, a complete 'probable' personnel has emerged,
> provenance unknown to me. The trombonist is listed here as, and sounds like,
> Bennie Morton. Morton was with Henderson at this time, as was Rex Stewart
> who always claimed a date with Oliver.
>
> To my ears, the broad  wa-wa solo on 'Sugar'  cannot be Oliver and the solo
> on 'I'm Crazy' sounds like Rex.
>
> Suggested comparisons, the Henderson 'I'm Crazy' of April 25 1931, on which
> both Rex and Morton solo extensively, and the 1923 'Sugar' of Johhny Dunn,
> to whose style the wa-wa of the Oliver version is much nearer than to Oliver
> himself.
>
> Why was 'Sugar' resurrected in 1931 ? Was it a deliberate attempt at
> archaism ? It is possible to hear the solo here as a pastiche of Dunn and my
> guess it is Rex.
>
> As far as I know, 'Where That  Old Man River Flows' was never issued and
> does not survive.
>
> Dave
>
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>
>


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Hello Howard

McCoy had --  mercifully --  managed to elude me till now. The 22 Jan date
would surely preclude any influence on Oliver on 19 Feb. Certainly Oliver's
version is very different and comparatively musical. Where would McCoy have
picked up this repertoire ?

I still hear the wa-wa on Oliver's version as burlesque, albeit not nearly
as gross as McCoy's, with which I cannot possibly demean Oliver.

' His wa-wa's, his piercing cries, were not the crude or haphazard attempts
of a musical semi-literate to play (and to imitate the human voice)
expressively by bastard and
essentially non-musical means. They were the careful and deliberate personal
techniques of a sensitive and innovative player-artist.  The almost
unbearable anguish of King Oliver's horn (as John Martin called it) was
something he worked long and carefully to be able to project.'  Martin
Williams  'King Oliver'  -- Kings Of Jazz

Dave








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I could not believe it. There is 8 new items updated on the Doctor Jazz
website, including some pieces on Johnny St. Cyr, Volly DeFaut, Nick
Rodriguez, Tony Jackson and Bud Scott. You can check out the updates at,

http://www.doctorjazz.co.uk/updates.html

You can spend several hours reading checking all the articles. Thank
you.

Marco Romano.

Hi everyone!

I discovered this site about 2 years ago and find the discography
fascinating.

I have been collecting 78 rpm recordings since I was 15 (1967) when I
got my first 10 records from a lady who lived in our neighborhood. I am
glad to say I still have 7 of those recordings in my collection.

I have many of the sides that are downloaded here, but also see that I
am going to have to go on some "hunting expeditions" soon!

I do not have a cd burner, so I still record onto casette media in
order to preserve the recordings, which are certainly NOT getting any
younger!

Looking forward to interacting with all the members here.

Robbi

Dear Robbi,

Welcome to the group!

I started collecting 78 jazz records in 1947 (also aged 15) when 78's were the
only available medium in England. I've still got them all (about 200) except one
that was broken during one of my several house moves. In 1953 I bought the first
10" jazz LP that was issued in England. It is Brunswick LA8597 "Louis Armstrong
Jazz Classics" and it was issued in a brown and yellow paper cover with no inner
sleeve.
I moved from England to Norway (where I'm still living) in 1969.

Regards

Bob Smith


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OBITUARY: Rosetta Reitz; champion of women in jazz; 84

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081124/news_1m24reitz.html

By Douglas Martin
NEW YORK TIMES NEWS SERVICE

November 24, 2008

Rosetta Reitz, an ardent feminist who scavenged through the early
history of jazz and the blues to resurrect the music of long-forgotten
women and to create a record label dedicated to them, died Nov. 1 in
New York City. She was 84.

The cause was cardiopulmonary problems, said, her daughter Rebecca Reitz.

Mrs. Reitz (pronounced "rights") came by her interest in jazz through
her husband and male friends, but as the feminist movement gathered
steam in the 1960s, she noticed something was missing: the music's
women. So she started collecting old 78s of performers like the
trumpeter Valaida Snow, the pianist-singer Georgia White and a bevy of
blues singers who had faded from memory.

At the same time, she unearthed lost songs by more famous artists such
as Bessie Smith, Ida Cox and Ma Rainey.

"In that decade of the 1920s, when jazz was really being formulated
and changing from an entertainment music to an art form," Mrs. Reitz
said in an interview with The New York Times in 1980, "these women
were extraordinarily important and instrumental in accomplishing that."

She continued: "Louis Armstrong was a sideman on records in the '20s
with singers like Sippie Wallace, Eva Taylor, Hociel Thomas, Virginia
Liston and Margaret Johnson. These women's records were made as their
records. But when they come out now, they're reissued as Louis
Armstrong records, when actually he was not that important on them."

These women "had the power," she told The Christian Science Monitor in
1984. "They hired the musicians and the chorus line, a lot of them
wrote the music themselves, and they produced their own shows. They
were more than just singers; they were symbols of success."

Music was at first just one element in a busy life. Mrs. Reitz was at
different times a stockbroker, a bookstore proprietor and the owner of
a greeting card business. She was a food columnist for The Village
Voice, a professor, a classified-advertising manager and author of a
book on mushrooms. She was a founding member of Older Women's
Liberation. She raised three daughters as a single parent.

Mrs. Reitz also wrote "Menopause: A Positive Approach" (1977),
considered one of the first books to look at menopause from the
viewpoint of women and not doctors. She listened to her recordings of
women while she wrote the book, many of them celebrating the strength
of women rather than treating them as victims.

"I was so alone and needed to be nurtured, and I found I was getting
it from them," she told the Los Angeles Times in 1992.

Mrs. Reitz started Rosetta Records in 1979 with $10,000 she had
borrowed from friends. Her routine was to scout out lost music,
usually through record collectors. She then supervised the remastering
of records that were often severely damaged; researched and wrote
detailed liner notes; and designed graphics and found period
photographs for the album covers. She personally wrapped each order
and took it to the post office for shipment. About a dozen stores
later carried the Rosetta label.

Over the years, Mrs. Reitz went from vinyl recordings to tapes to CDs.
She refused to give sales figures, but she did tell the Los Angeles
Times that the four titles in her "independent women's blues" series
of compilations – including "Mean Mothers" – sold about 20,000 copies
each. Some albums centered on themes like railroads or prisons.

Much of the music she recorded was in the public domain, but Mrs.
Reitz said she had devoted time and energy to tracking down the rights
to some songs and to paying artists royalties when she could.

Her label had not issued a recording in at least 13 years, but
previous releases are sometimes sold on the Internet. A number of
mainstream labels also have reissued albums of the artists Reitz admired.

Rosetta Goldman was born Sept. 28, 1924, in Utica, N.Y. She attended
the University of Wisconsin for three years, moved to Manhattan and
got a job at the Gotham Book Mart. She negotiated a loan to buy her
own bookstore, the 4 Seasons in Greenwich Village, where literary
figures like Ralph Ellison were celebrated.

For years, Mrs. Reitz lobbied for a postage stamp honoring Bessie
Smith, which was issued in 1994. She produced concerts by longtime
female blues singers for the Newport Jazz Festival, Carnegie Hall and
the Hollywood Bowl.

She married Robert Reitz when she was 23, and they divorced in the
late 1960s.

Mrs. Reitz is survived by her daughters, Rebecca of Manhattan, Robin
Reitz of Tucson and Rainbow Reitz of Manhattan; and a granddaughter.

Mrs. Reitz did not always finish what she started. She had planned to
make 26 albums, she said, but completed only 17. She never finished a
book on women in jazz. Even her success with the Rosetta label had
left her with a conviction that more work had to be done.

"My hope and dream," she said, "is that there won't be a need for a
women's record company."

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If anyone can give me any information on Bernard Fanning or anyone in
these photo's please do.

Thanks
Tiff

A few days ago,I found an album on the TOPS label of Jack
Teagarden.This album featured his orchestra.The album has a picture of
Teagarden well into middle age and I'm guessing that the album dates
between the late fifties and the early sixties as Teagarden died at the
age of fifty-eight in January of 1964.I found the album at a North Bend,
Oregon Goodwill store.In fact,I found another Teagarden album on the Ca-
may label.I've yet to play it;I suffered a small stroke a couple of we-
eks ago and it's only now that I am getting back to some semblance of
normalcy.

Does anyone have a list of titles on which Casper Reardon soloed
besides Junk Man with Jack Teagarden's orchestra?

Casper Reardon solos [maybe]---
1]Red McKenzie - "Mean to Me" 12/28/33 IAJRC
2] Jack Teagarden - "Stars Fell on Alabama" 12/18/34 Br
3] Bob Terry - "It's Been So Long" 01/15/36 Decca
4] Three T's - "You Turned the Tables On Me" [with Adele Girard] 12/04/34
Broadway
ALSO: Reardon made a number of recording under his own name in the late 30s,
which most certainly should have his solo work.
-----------GILBERT M. ERSKINE

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: barontopor
   To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:06 AM
   Subject: [RedHotJazz] Casper Reardon


   Does anyone have a list of titles on which Casper Reardon soloed
   besides Junk Man with Jack Teagarden's orchestra?






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Dan--- Keep your eye out for any CDs of Jack Teagarden Orch broadcasts from the
Meadowbrook August and September 1939.  Outstanding material, much better than
what he did for commercial labels at the time.
Tunes include---
The Lamp Is Low
Comes Love
Aunt Hagars Blues
Octoroon
Stairway to the Stars
Wolverine Blues
That's A'Plenty
I Found a New Baby
--------------GILBERT M. ERSKINE



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: danvanlandingham
   To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:15 PM
   Subject: [RedHotJazz] Jack Teagarden's Orchestra on the TOPS label.


   A few days ago,I found an album on the TOPS label of Jack
   Teagarden.This album featured his orchestra.The album has a picture of
   Teagarden well into middle age and I'm guessing that the album dates
   between the late fifties and the early sixties as Teagarden died at the
   age of fifty-eight in January of 1964.I found the album at a North Bend,
   Oregon Goodwill store.In fact,I found another Teagarden album on the Ca-
   may label.I've yet to play it;I suffered a small stroke a couple of we-
   eks ago and it's only now that I am getting back to some semblance of
   normalcy.






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I have a  couple of 78s of his which are on Brunswick and Columbia.The sides are
Octoroon
on Brunswick and I'll Remember on Columbia.I had his Epic four record set of
King of the
Bjues Trombone.The records were,however,warped to the point that I couldn't
overcome it
by adjusting either the grams for the tone arm or the tracking.Both were located
on the
rear of the tonearm.I have one Decca 78 of Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen.I
found
all three records at a Coos Bay,Oregon business that specialised in juke box and
pinball
macihines.This was in early 1994:The new owner of Sunset Automatic Music found
the
records by accident.There were literally thousands of like knew 78s.Two 78s I
found and
purchased were by Benny  Goodman with Ella Fitzgerald:Goodnight My Love,Take
another
Guess,'Taint No Use with a Benny Goodman vocal and a final Ella vocal on Did You
Mean
It.I was fortunate in finding the entire session.RCA was sued by Decca over
those sides
because Ella was under contract to Decca via Chick Webb's signing with Decca in
the mid
thirties.Goodman should have known better.The Teagarden sides on Decca were not
very
good.Thank you for the info.By the way,I gave a dollar each for those records in
1994.

--- On Wed, 12/3/08, Gilber M. Erskine <gerskine@...> wrote:

From: Gilber M. Erskine <gerskine@...>
Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Jack Teagarden's Orchestra on the TOPS label.
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:52 AM






Dan--- Keep your eye out for any CDs of Jack Teagarden Orch broadcasts from the
Meadowbrook August and September 1939. Outstanding material, much better than
what he did for commercial labels at the time.
Tunes include---
The Lamp Is Low
Comes Love
Aunt Hagars Blues
Octoroon
Stairway to the Stars
Wolverine Blues
That's A'Plenty
I Found a New Baby
------------ --GILBERT M. ERSKINE

----- Original Message -----
From: danvanlandingham
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:15 PM
Subject: [RedHotJazz] Jack Teagarden's Orchestra on the TOPS label.

A few days ago,I found an album on the TOPS label of Jack
Teagarden.This album featured his orchestra.The album has a picture of
Teagarden well into middle age and I'm guessing that the album dates
between the late fifties and the early sixties as Teagarden died at the
age of fifty-eight in January of 1964.I found the album at a North Bend,
Oregon Goodwill store.In fact,I found another Teagarden album on the Ca-
may label.I've yet to play it;I suffered a small stroke a couple of we-
eks ago and it's only now that I am getting back to some semblance of
normalcy.

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The Doctor Jazz website has been updated with the following 5
articles of great historical interest:

Brian Goggin sends an excellent essay on Benjamin (Reb) F. Spikes.
This accompanies Reb Spikes' WWI Draft Registration Card. Mention of
Jelly Roll, Sid LeProtti, Lionel Hampton and Ferde Grofé.

Brian Goggin sends a not-to-be-missed article titled, "Jazz : As I
Remember It" by Johnny St. Cyr. This massive article is now the
largest on the website!

Brian Goggin sends a terrific article titled, "The Spikes Brothers :
A Los Angeles Saga" by the late Floyd Levin. Mention of Jelly Roll.

Brian Goggin sends a superb essay on John (Johnny) Curry Spikes.
This accompanies Johnny Spikes' WWI Draft Registration Card. Mention
of Hugh Macbeth, M.G.M. and Jose Ferrer.

Russell Shor sends a record review for 4 tunes from Jelly Roll
Morton's 1939 Bluebird session. This is from the rare "Swing"
magazine, dated November 1939.

The above items can be accessed from the gray UPDATED BOX at:

http://www.doctorjazz.co.uk/updates.html

There have been some issues of Jack Teagarden's big band around
over the years. I have an LP on Halcyon HAL-4 and a CD  UAE 30222
both from the around 1944-46. Unfortunately it's really just an
average sort of big band of the period with only Jack as a soloist of
any standing. Most of the tracks on the CD as far as I can work them
come from AFRS broadcasts of the period.
     The big band was a disaster financially for Teagarden as well and
by the time he joined the Armstrong All Stars he was deeply in debt
because of the band.
      Some writers have said that Jack lacked the organisation skills
etc to have become a successful band leader and certainly by the time
his contract with Paul Whiteman ran out in December 1938 he should
have been in position to have had a successful big band-for whatever
reason it just didn't happen.

Roger Strong

--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, Dan Van Landingham
<danvanlandingham@...> wrote:
>
> I have a  couple of 78s of his which are on Brunswick and
Columbia.The sides are Octoroon
> on Brunswick and I'll Remember on Columbia.I had his Epic four
record set of King of the
> Bjues Trombone.The records were,however,warped to the point that I
couldn't overcome it
> by adjusting either the grams for the tone arm or the tracking.Both
were located on the
> rear of the tonearm.I have one Decca 78 of Nobody Knows the Trouble
I've Seen.I found
> all three records at a Coos Bay,Oregon business that specialised in
juke box and pinball
> macihines.This was in early 1994:The new owner of Sunset Automatic
Music found the
> records by accident.There were literally thousands of like knew
78s.Two 78s I found and
> purchased were by Benny  Goodman with Ella Fitzgerald:Goodnight My
Love,Take another
> Guess,'Taint No Use with a Benny Goodman vocal and a final Ella
vocal on Did You Mean
> It.I was fortunate in finding the entire session.RCA was sued by
Decca over those sides
> because Ella was under contract to Decca via Chick Webb's signing
with Decca in the mid
> thirties.Goodman should have known better.The Teagarden sides on
Decca were not very
> good.Thank you for the info.By the way,I gave a dollar each for
those records in 1994.
>
> --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Gilber M. Erskine <gerskine@...> wrote:
>
> From: Gilber M. Erskine <gerskine@...>
> Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Jack Teagarden's Orchestra on the TOPS
label.
> To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:52 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dan--- Keep your eye out for any CDs of Jack Teagarden Orch
broadcasts from the Meadowbrook August and September 1939.
Outstanding material, much better than what he did for commercial
labels at the time.
> Tunes include---
> The Lamp Is Low
> Comes Love
> Aunt Hagars Blues
> Octoroon
> Stairway to the Stars
> Wolverine Blues
> That's A'Plenty
> I Found a New Baby
> ------------ --GILBERT M. ERSKINE
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: danvanlandingham
> To: RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:15 PM
> Subject: [RedHotJazz] Jack Teagarden's Orchestra on the TOPS label.
>
> A few days ago,I found an album on the TOPS label of Jack
> Teagarden.This album featured his orchestra.The album has a picture
of
> Teagarden well into middle age and I'm guessing that the album
dates
> between the late fifties and the early sixties as Teagarden died at
the
> age of fifty-eight in January of 1964.I found the album at a North
Bend,
> Oregon Goodwill store.In fact,I found another Teagarden album on
the Ca-
> may label.I've yet to play it;I suffered a small stroke a couple of
we-
> eks ago and it's only now that I am getting back to some semblance
of
> normalcy.
>
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Hi Yves,
    I wonder if you can contact me about the material you might have
on Frankie Newton. I am still looking for more information about him.

Roger Strong
roger@...

--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "rogerstrong257" <roger@...> wrote:
>
> --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, yves francois <aprestitine@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Roger
> >  ... please give me a couple of days, I will write some detailed
> information re: Newton, I have a full discography* etc, and can get
> any information you want that is available, Newton happens to be
one
> of my all time favorite musicians (Lips Page is the other post
> Armstrong trumpet I like as much, though several others were also
> great), I will respond with quite a bit of data by Monday
> > all the best (and I will check some sources re: his paintings I
am
> very interested as well re his art)
> > BTW he did a lot of teaching under privileged students trumpet
> lessons ... for free, he was a very principled man, I will also
list
> some articles, share antidotes from Franz Jackson as well (who
played
> with him in Boston in 1943) etc
> > Yves Francois Smierciak
> >
> > Yves
>       Thanks in anticipation! I have always thought that there was
a
> very vivid character behind the music-a man with many different
> facets to his character and talents and man who died much too young
> as well. Look forward to your reply when ever you have time.
>
> Roger
> > * I will also list what items in a recent CD reissue are NOT
solos
> by Mr Newton
> > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, rogerstrong257 <roger@> wrote:
> >
> > From: rogerstrong257 <roger@>
> > Subject: [RedHotJazz] Frankie Newton
> > To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 9:00 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am interested in finding out more about Frankie Newton. The
> > material about him in reference books seems to repeat the same
> sorts of
> > things-that he didn't like Big Bands/that he drank to excess/
that
> he
> > was a political activist/that he painted more than played in the
> last
> > years. He died March 11th,1954 aged only 48. Born january
4th,1906.
> > I can find about 45 sides that he recorded but I am interested if
> > anything has been written about him in the last few years. Do any
> of
> > his painting still exist-what style did he use and indeed
anything
> new
> > or interesting that I can find out about him.
> > Can anyone help please?
> >
>

Regarding Frankie Newton:He had done a tour of duty(so to speak)with Mills' Blue
Rhythm
band in 1937.I had an album I bought back in 1971 that featured Mezz Mezzrow on
clari-
net plus Pete Brown on alto.I've forgotten the personnel of the band save the
fact that it
recorded for Bluebird in 1939.Newton employed singer Billie Holiday  in late
1938.She was
with Newton until 1939.
     Newton was remembered by some musicians as being an ardent Marxist:Artie
Shaw
and Newton were believers in Marxism.I don't know if McCarthy ever latched onto
him in
his witchhunt which ended in 1954.Newton died that year in his late '40s.
     The album I spoke of was a "revived" Vintage Series which never got rave
reviews but
it didn't save the series from being a success.Columbia,back in the early
'60s,released a
great boxed set which featured a batch of bands I had never heard before.It
included early
recordings which included Newton,Stuff Smith,Charlie Barnet pre 1939,a few
tracks of J-
ack Teagarden's 1939 band plus tracks of Bobby Hackett's equally unsuccessful
1939
band.Also featured on the album were some 1940 Bud Freeman sides I had on album
cal-
led Comes Jazz which featured Teagarden's trombone plus Dave Tough on drums.The
boxed set I had was called 52nd Street which was  issued on Epic circa
1962.There was
so much odd ball stuff I had never heard before or since.It seems to me that the
album was
sold by way of Ray Anthony's record shop.If I do anything,I'll check out and see
if ebay
has it on CD.The name of Anthony's record shop was called Big Bands '80s.This
should
help you out.Newton's birth year was in 1906.It's interesting to know that Hot
Lips Page
was born around the same time and both died the same year.


From: rogerstrong257 <roger@...>
Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: Frankie Newton
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 6:09 PM







Hi Yves,
I wonder if you can contact me about the material you might have
on Frankie Newton. I am still looking for more information about him.

Roger Strong
roger@nikau- nursery.co. nz

--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com, "rogerstrong257" <roger@...> wrote:
>
> --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com, yves francois <aprestitine@ >
> wrote:
> >
> > Roger
> > ... please give me a couple of days, I will write some detailed
> information re: Newton, I have a full discography* etc, and can get
> any information you want that is available, Newton happens to be
one
> of my all time favorite musicians (Lips Page is the other post
> Armstrong trumpet I like as much, though several others were also
> great), I will respond with quite a bit of data by Monday
> > all the best (and I will check some sources re: his paintings I
am
> very interested as well re his art)
> > BTW he did a lot of teaching under privileged students trumpet
> lessons ... for free, he was a very principled man, I will also
list
> some articles, share antidotes from Franz Jackson as well (who
played
> with him in Boston in 1943) etc
> > Yves Francois Smierciak
> >
> > Yves
> Thanks in anticipation! I have always thought that there was
a
> very vivid character behind the music-a man with many different
> facets to his character and talents and man who died much too young
> as well. Look forward to your reply when ever you have time.
>
> Roger
> > * I will also list what items in a recent CD reissue are NOT
solos
> by Mr Newton
> > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, rogerstrong257 <roger@> wrote:
> >
> > From: rogerstrong257 <roger@>
> > Subject: [RedHotJazz] Frankie Newton
> > To: RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 9:00 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am interested in finding out more about Frankie Newton. The
> > material about him in reference books seems to repeat the same
> sorts of
> > things-that he didn't like Big Bands/that he drank to excess/
that
> he
> > was a political activist/that he painted more than played in the
> last
> > years. He died March 11th,1954 aged only 48. Born january
4th,1906.
> > I can find about 45 sides that he recorded but I am interested if
> > anything has been written about him in the last few years. Do any
> of
> > his painting still exist-what style did he use and indeed
anything
> new
> > or interesting that I can find out about him.
> > Can anyone help please?
> >
>


















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

    Hello Roger, I am sorry that this will take 3 e mails, but I wanted to give
some data that many may not be familiar with this great musician
Recordings by Newton, an overview (part one 1929/38).

Very little was recorded before 1936 by Mr Newton, indeed 7 titles with Benny
Carter's band (one hot dance record was issued no Newton solo, the lead trumpet
does not sound like him anyways, good Carter reed writing before the vocal) were
not issued, as well as test pressings with Sam Wooding in 1934 (these should
have been great considering that Gene Sedric and Albert Nicholas are on them as
well, and doing one of my favorite songs "Weary Blues")). However, there is the
Cecil Scott Victor's (trumpet solos by Newton on "In A Corner" bridge 8 bars
between Dicky Wells' theme playing), and a effective, if somewhat redundant
blues solo on "Bright Boy Blues" (great tone,and feeling, but not something
where we hear his ideas to the fore)^. He played with several major Harlem
orchestras besides Scott in those days, mostly Charlie Johnson (between 1930 an
1934 or so, he seemed to be in and out a couple of times). I would think that
Johnson would have recorded in
  those years, alas, not so. Rumors have about a broadcast (would that be
interesting) and I wonder if there was any Vitaphone's (heard a even less
substantiated rumor about that as well, maybe they recording something in a film
soundtrack that perhaps never got issued or not yet found , after all I recently
heard Cecil Scott in a film with a violin and what sounds like Clarence Williams
doing "I Can't Dance" on the 1935 Micheaux production "Murder In Harlem"), so
anything's possible).
   Under John Hammond's supervision Newton got to record under Bessie Smith (and
Buck and Bubbles) in 1933, with some very fine trumpet solos on the Smith
session ("Gimmie A Pigfoot" is quite famous, and rightfully so, a very playful
moment), and Newton is the star over the other horns (Teagarden, Berry even
Goodman), one wished that that band would have recorded 4 instrumentals! The
Buck and Bubbles were not issued on 78, but "Long Gone" was finally issued on a
"Stars Of the Apollo Theater" set (band is strictly in the background).
   Again, a time of little recording until 1936, I will go to list form for the
rest, but will make some judgments about certain key recordings (I presume you
know all the Newton's under his own name, I could write about these as well),
remember that in back of most vocalists Newton was excellent in the art of
obbligato (or on occasion counterpoint, on his 1937 recording of "You've Showed
me The Way" he is playing a solo in back of Clarence Palmer's vocal):
Art Karle 1936 (with Mezz Mezzrow,Joe Bushkin and the excellent Harlem drummer
from Johnson's band George Stafford,  Karle was the tenor player on some early
records by Benny Goodman, these are actually better than the sides made with
Willie "the Lion" Smith under Mezzrow's name), the title "Light's Out" has a
fantastic trumpet solo, tightly muted with some wonderful bass, Chick Bullock
does the vocals, Newton plays the first chorus and nice ride out's on these pop
tunes, love this session.*

Mezz Mezzrow Swing Band 1936, celebrated session, a hit with "I'se A Muggin",
bad balance, Newton sounds disaffected at times, though he usually come out on
top, IMHO this session is the reason why Mezz has a bad name, he sounds quite
bad here, wish it was just Bud Freeman and Newton, would have been much better.+
5 titles (Lost being the best as a band, though Newton plays quite good on "The
Panic Is On")

Teddy Hill Orch for Vocalion 5 titles, 4 issued. This is the best work Hill did
on wax (though I do like the 1935 pops with Bill Coleman and Roy), very good
Newton on "Blue Rhythm Fantasy" and esp "At The Rug Cutters Ball", other 2
titles good, but the trumpet solo on "Passionette" is NOT Newton, it's Bill
Dillard.*

Teddy Wilson: one session (3 issued titles) in 1936, it's the session with Ella
singing. Newton has one great moment "All My Life" after Ella's vocal a great
solo, very strong yet sensitive, all 3 titles are good music, but do not feature
Frankie as much as other sessions of this nature.

Newton's greatest body of work was done in 1937, the famous Uptown Serenades did
3 sessions, most are great jazz (even sweet titles like "Easy Living" has a
great Newton solo), and I wonder if Newton ever led a big band long enough would
there be a body of work we could call the Newton sound, he was the arranger to
most of these titles, and they are great. "Please Don't Talk About Me When I'm
Gone" has the ensemble all laying in one line, rather like jazz would head in 5
or 8 years, and all the soloists are in top form on these records. The third
session is more commercial, but still good music, though the first two are the
great jazz sessions, I would believe you are familiar with his work (let me know
if you are not) on these so on to the sideman work in 1937 ...

Teddy Hill 2 sessions Bluebird. Not as good as the 36 work by this band, Newton
ONLY solos on a couple of titles (it's possible that he is the brief solo on 
"The Love Bug" though for once I am not going to place a bet here; "Where Is The
Sun" with a fluff but nice melodic contour, a short one on a pop "The You And Me
That Used To Be" and a great solo on "China Boy", easily the best record of all
the Newton period Hill's for Bluebird. He is NOT the solo on "Big Boy Blue"
despite what a recent reissue mentions, that one is Shad Collins (who also solos
on "The Harlem Twister" and "A Study In Brown"), and while we are at it, who did
these arrangements, they sounds like stocks, where is Chappie Willet's charts
when you need them?

re: big bands he also recorded with Charlie Barnet, with much greater results, a
fine "Emperor Jones" (aka Duke's "Jubilesta"), a short solo on "Shame On you"
and one "Admiration" that was originally issued on a Merrit LP with a killer
trumpet solo (first muted then open), too bad he did not become a full time
member of the Barnet band, the Bluebirds from 1939/41 were excellent, but could
you imagine a musician of Newton's stature playing on them?

I say a mention of the Mills Blue Rhythm band, Newton actually played with a
Millinder outfit in later 1938, he MAY be on "Ride Red Ride" on the soundtrack,
it sure sounds a bit like him, but does not quite look like him, and besides,
why would Newton play someone else's solo for even 4 bars (well Allen's solo was
famous and excellent), it would not be in him ... or maybe that's why he
disliked big band section work so much. I should note that Newton's combos
frequently were with 3 or even 4 reedman, and have much of the hallmarks of big
bands, as well as the fact that in 1940/41 he led a 10 piece band at the Mino
Club (with Ed Anderson on second trumpet BTW)


Also in 1937, sessions with Maxine Sullivan (a famous ""Loch Lommand" and a nice
solo on "Blues Skies" if I recall), Midge Williams (better than it would first
seem BTW), both of these sessions were reissued on a Tax LP devoted to Newton in
the 70's (I don't see a reason to own all of Sullivan's 30's work, I prefer her
later in life). I prefer the 2 sessions with Willie "The Lion" Smith and the
Cubs, really good Newton, slightly disorganized affairs, with fine Pete Brown
and vocals by drummer O'Neal Spencer, but "I've Got To Think it Over", "Peace
Brother Peace" (I love that song, it's about Father Divine) and "Achin Hearted
Blues" are all great fun, even when the material is lightweight (like "Knock
Wood") it is refreshing compared to the average 1937 small group swing sessions
that it was competing against (Waller, Howard et all).

After all the recording in 1937, Newton did little in 1938, he MAY be on a
session by Ollie Shepard in May 1938 (am I raising any eyebrows here, I am going
on a limb here), certainly the session included Bob Carroll and Teddy Bunn, and
I am pretty certain (On aural evidence only) that Newton could be the trumpeter
here, though not at all at his best.

I will do the next installment on this re the later recordings (1939/46)
including live broadcasts and private recordings. The final will be re the man,
as a bandleader and also what Franz Jackson said about him

Please excuse my tardiness in responding to you, there is a lot here, and I am ,
quite frankly obsessed by this man's work, he and Lips Page are my favorite post
NOLA trumpets (though I also like Coleman, Butler, Clayton, Briggs, Cooper etc),
and I wonder what this man (who influenced by choosing to be a trumpeter) was
like, for I, like he also like to paint and am interested in politics and
history.

All the best
Yves Francois


^ there is a vocal performance featuring Newton in this session as well, "Lawd
Lawd", actually not a bad vocal, wish he recorded more as a vocalist, something
one does not say about most trumpeters, myself included

*all 4 titles on the Art Karle session are reissued on the Jasmine 2 CD set,
though be careful the following titles on this 2 CD set does NOT have Frankie
Newton solos:
CECIL SCOTT :Springfield Stomp (Bill Coleman)
TEDDY HILL: Passionette (Bill Dillard), Big Boy Blue (Shad Collins)
BUCK RAM: Morning Mist (Shad Collins), note the second (open) trumpet solo on
Twilight In Teheran is also by Collins (Newton is the first trumpet solo, very
tightly muted, and very much in his character)

+ to be fair to Mezzrow, he wanted to do the session with Sidney Bechet, Red
Allen and Dave Nelson, and he may of got drunk/high when told to bring a
different horn section. I think Newton does very well, it's just that the
session has tense moments, usually because of Mezz.

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, rogerstrong257 <roger@...> wrote:
From: rogerstrong257 <roger@...>
Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: Frankie Newton
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 6:09 PM

Hi Yves,

    I wonder if you can contact me about the material you might have

on Frankie Newton. I am still looking for more information about him.



Roger Strong

roger@nikau- nursery.co. nz



--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com, "rogerstrong257" <roger@...> wrote:

>

> --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com, yves francois <aprestitine@ >

> wrote:

> >

> > Roger

> >  ... please give me a couple of days, I will write some detailed

> information re: Newton, I have a full discography* etc, and can get

> any information you want that is available, Newton happens to be

one

> of my all time favorite musicians (Lips Page is the other post

> Armstrong trumpet I like as much, though several others were also

> great), I will respond with quite a bit of data by Monday

> > all the best (and I will check some sources re: his paintings I

am

> very interested as well re his art)

> > BTW he did a lot of teaching under privileged students trumpet

> lessons ... for free, he was a very principled man, I will also

list

> some articles, share antidotes from Franz Jackson as well (who

played

> with him in Boston in 1943) etc

> > Yves Francois Smierciak

> >

> > Yves

>       Thanks in anticipation! I have always thought that there was

a

> very vivid character behind the music-a man with many different

> facets to his character and talents and man who died much too young

> as well. Look forward to your reply when ever you have time.

>

> Roger

> > * I will also list what items in a recent CD reissue are NOT

solos

> by Mr Newton

> > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, rogerstrong257 <roger@> wrote:

> >

> > From: rogerstrong257 <roger@>

> > Subject: [RedHotJazz] Frankie Newton

> > To: RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com

> > Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 9:00 PM

> >

> > I am interested in finding out more about Frankie Newton. The

> > material about him in reference books seems to repeat the same

> sorts of

> > things-that he didn't like Big Bands/that he drank to excess/

that

> he

> > was a political activist/that he painted more than played in the

> last

> > years. He died March 11th,1954 aged only 48. Born january

4th,1906.

> > I can find about 45 sides that he recorded but I am interested if

> > anything has been written about him in the last few years. Do any

> of

> > his painting still exist-what style did he use and indeed

anything

> new

> > or interesting that I can find out about him.

> > Can anyone help please?

Thanks for that. I have much of the material that you mention. the
sides for Bluebird had Newton,Mezz,Pete Brown,James P.Johnson,Al
Casey,John Kirby, and Cozy Cole. There are a couple of CDs around but
they tend to repeat the same sides. One is on Archives of Jazz and
the other on the Afinity label.
    I wouldn't have said that Artie Shaw was a Marxist and I'm not
sure that he ever said he was. Newton's politics do seem to have been
far left but just how far left is hard to determine at this stage. I
would have doubted that McCarthy would have been interested ina
rather obscure jazz musician-he had bigger prey. It's this and his
painting as well as the pretty sparse material from people who
actually knew him that interests me most.

Roger Strong


--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, Dan Van Landingham
<danvanlandingham@...> wrote:
>
> Regarding Frankie Newton:He had done a tour of duty(so to speak)
with Mills' Blue Rhythm
> band in 1937.I had an album I bought back in 1971 that featured
Mezz Mezzrow on clari-
> net plus Pete Brown on alto.I've forgotten the personnel of the
band save the fact that it
> recorded for Bluebird in 1939.Newton employed singer Billie
Holiday  in late 1938.She was
> with Newton until 1939.
>      Newton was remembered by some musicians as being an ardent
Marxist:Artie Shaw
> and Newton were believers in Marxism.I don't know if McCarthy ever
latched onto him in
> his witchhunt which ended in 1954.Newton died that year in his
late '40s.
>      The album I spoke of was a "revived" Vintage Series which
never got rave reviews but
> it didn't save the series from being a success.Columbia,back in the
early '60s,released a
> great boxed set which featured a batch of bands I had never heard
before.It included early
> recordings which included Newton,Stuff Smith,Charlie Barnet pre
1939,a few tracks of J-
> ack Teagarden's 1939 band plus tracks of Bobby Hackett's
equally unsuccessful 1939
> band.Also featured on the album were some 1940 Bud Freeman sides I
had on album cal-
> led Comes Jazz which featured Teagarden's trombone plus Dave Tough
on drums.The
> boxed set I had was called 52nd Street which was  issued on Epic
circa 1962.There was
> so much odd ball stuff I had never heard before or since.It seems
to me that the album was
> sold by way of Ray Anthony's record shop.If I do anything,I'll
check out and see if ebay
> has it on CD.The name of Anthony's record shop was called Big
Bands '80s.This should
> help you out.Newton's birth year was in 1906.It's interesting to
know that Hot Lips Page
> was born around the same time and both died the same year.
>
>
> From: rogerstrong257 <roger@...>
> Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: Frankie Newton
> To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 6:09 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Yves,
> I wonder if you can contact me about the material you might have
> on Frankie Newton. I am still looking for more information about
him.
>
> Roger Strong
> roger@nikau- nursery.co. nz
>
> --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com, "rogerstrong257" <roger@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com, yves francois <aprestitine@ >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Roger
> > > ... please give me a couple of days, I will write some detailed
> > information re: Newton, I have a full discography* etc, and can
get
> > any information you want that is available, Newton happens to be
> one
> > of my all time favorite musicians (Lips Page is the other post
> > Armstrong trumpet I like as much, though several others were also
> > great), I will respond with quite a bit of data by Monday
> > > all the best (and I will check some sources re: his paintings I
> am
> > very interested as well re his art)
> > > BTW he did a lot of teaching under privileged students trumpet
> > lessons ... for free, he was a very principled man, I will also
> list
> > some articles, share antidotes from Franz Jackson as well (who
> played
> > with him in Boston in 1943) etc
> > > Yves Francois Smierciak
> > >
> > > Yves
> > Thanks in anticipation! I have always thought that there was
> a
> > very vivid character behind the music-a man with many different
> > facets to his character and talents and man who died much too
young
> > as well. Look forward to your reply when ever you have time.
> >
> > Roger
> > > * I will also list what items in a recent CD reissue are NOT
> solos
> > by Mr Newton
> > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, rogerstrong257 <roger@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: rogerstrong257 <roger@>
> > > Subject: [RedHotJazz] Frankie Newton
> > > To: RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com
> > > Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 9:00 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am interested in finding out more about Frankie Newton. The
> > > material about him in reference books seems to repeat the same
> > sorts of
> > > things-that he didn't like Big Bands/that he drank to excess/
> that
> > he
> > > was a political activist/that he painted more than played in
the
> > last
> > > years. He died March 11th,1954 aged only 48. Born january
> 4th,1906.
> > > I can find about 45 sides that he recorded but I am interested
if
> > > anything has been written about him in the last few years. Do
any
> > of
> > > his painting still exist-what style did he use and indeed
> anything
> > new
> > > or interesting that I can find out about him.
> > > Can anyone help please?
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Many thanks Yves-this is just the sort of material I am looking for.
Look forward to the rest!
     Just think what might have been if Newton had gone to France with
Bill Coleman and Bill Dillard etc in the 1930's.............

Roger

--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, yves francois <aprestitine@...>
wrote:
>
>     Hello Roger, I am sorry that this will take 3 e mails, but I
wanted to give some data that many may not be familiar with this
great musician
> Recordings by Newton, an overview (part one 1929/38).
>
> Very little was recorded before 1936 by Mr Newton, indeed 7 titles
with Benny Carter's band (one hot dance record was issued no Newton
solo, the lead trumpet does not sound like him anyways, good Carter
reed writing before the vocal) were not issued, as well as test
pressings with Sam Wooding in 1934 (these should have been great
considering that Gene Sedric and Albert Nicholas are on them as well,
and doing one of my favorite songs "Weary Blues")). However, there is
the Cecil Scott Victor's (trumpet solos by Newton on "In A Corner"
bridge 8 bars between Dicky Wells' theme playing), and a effective,
if somewhat redundant blues solo on "Bright Boy Blues" (great
tone,and feeling, but not something where we hear his ideas to the
fore)^. He played with several major Harlem orchestras besides Scott
in those days, mostly Charlie Johnson (between 1930 an 1934 or so, he
seemed to be in and out a couple of times). I would think that
Johnson would have recorded in
>  those years, alas, not so. Rumors have about a broadcast (would
that be interesting) and I wonder if there was any Vitaphone's (heard
a even less substantiated rumor about that as well, maybe they
recording something in a film soundtrack that perhaps never got
issued or not yet found , after all I recently heard Cecil Scott in a
film with a violin and what sounds like Clarence Williams doing "I
Can't Dance" on the 1935 Micheaux production "Murder In Harlem"), so
anything's possible).
>    Under John Hammond's supervision Newton got to record under
Bessie Smith (and Buck and Bubbles) in 1933, with some very fine
trumpet solos on the Smith session ("Gimmie A Pigfoot" is quite
famous, and rightfully so, a very playful moment), and Newton is the
star over the other horns (Teagarden, Berry even Goodman), one wished
that that band would have recorded 4 instrumentals! The Buck and
Bubbles were not issued on 78, but "Long Gone" was finally issued on
a "Stars Of the Apollo Theater" set (band is strictly in the
background).
>    Again, a time of little recording until 1936, I will go to list
form for the rest, but will make some judgments about certain key
recordings (I presume you know all the Newton's under his own name, I
could write about these as well), remember that in back of most
vocalists Newton was excellent in the art of obbligato (or on
occasion counterpoint, on his 1937 recording of "You've Showed me The
Way" he is playing a solo in back of Clarence Palmer's vocal):
> Art Karle 1936 (with Mezz Mezzrow,Joe Bushkin and the excellent
Harlem drummer from Johnson's band George Stafford,  Karle was the
tenor player on some early records by Benny Goodman, these are
actually better than the sides made with Willie "the Lion" Smith
under Mezzrow's name), the title "Light's Out" has a fantastic
trumpet solo, tightly muted with some wonderful bass, Chick Bullock
does the vocals, Newton plays the first chorus and nice ride out's on
these pop tunes, love this session.*
>
> Mezz Mezzrow Swing Band 1936, celebrated session, a hit with "I'se
A Muggin", bad balance, Newton sounds disaffected at times, though he
usually come out on top, IMHO this session is the reason why Mezz has
a bad name, he sounds quite bad here, wish it was just Bud Freeman
and Newton, would have been much better.+ 5 titles (Lost being the
best as a band, though Newton plays quite good on "The Panic Is On")
>
> Teddy Hill Orch for Vocalion 5 titles, 4 issued. This is the best
work Hill did on wax (though I do like the 1935 pops with Bill
Coleman and Roy), very good Newton on "Blue Rhythm Fantasy" and
esp "At The Rug Cutters Ball", other 2 titles good, but the trumpet
solo on "Passionette" is NOT Newton, it's Bill Dillard.*
>
> Teddy Wilson: one session (3 issued titles) in 1936, it's the
session with Ella singing. Newton has one great moment "All My Life"
after Ella's vocal a great solo, very strong yet sensitive, all 3
titles are good music, but do not feature Frankie as much as other
sessions of this nature.
>
> Newton's greatest body of work was done in 1937, the famous Uptown
Serenades did 3 sessions, most are great jazz (even sweet titles
like "Easy Living" has a great Newton solo), and I wonder if Newton
ever led a big band long enough would there be a body of work we
could call the Newton sound, he was the arranger to most of these
titles, and they are great. "Please Don't Talk About Me When I'm
Gone" has the ensemble all laying in one line, rather like jazz would
head in 5 or 8 years, and all the soloists are in top form on these
records. The third session is more commercial, but still good music,
though the first two are the great jazz sessions, I would believe you
are familiar with his work (let me know if you are not) on these so
on to the sideman work in 1937 ...
>
> Teddy Hill 2 sessions Bluebird. Not as good as the 36 work by this
band, Newton ONLY solos on a couple of titles (it's possible that he
is the brief solo on  "The Love Bug" though for once I am not going
to place a bet here; "Where Is The Sun" with a fluff but nice melodic
contour, a short one on a pop "The You And Me That Used To Be" and a
great solo on "China Boy", easily the best record of all the Newton
period Hill's for Bluebird. He is NOT the solo on "Big Boy Blue"
despite what a recent reissue mentions, that one is Shad Collins (who
also solos on "The Harlem Twister" and "A Study In Brown"), and while
we are at it, who did these arrangements, they sounds like stocks,
where is Chappie Willet's charts when you need them?
>
> re: big bands he also recorded with Charlie Barnet, with much
greater results, a fine "Emperor Jones" (aka Duke's "Jubilesta"), a
short solo on "Shame On you" and one "Admiration" that was originally
issued on a Merrit LP with a killer trumpet solo (first muted then
open), too bad he did not become a full time member of the Barnet
band, the Bluebirds from 1939/41 were excellent, but could you
imagine a musician of Newton's stature playing on them?
>
> I say a mention of the Mills Blue Rhythm band, Newton actually
played with a Millinder outfit in later 1938, he MAY be on "Ride Red
Ride" on the soundtrack, it sure sounds a bit like him, but does not
quite look like him, and besides, why would Newton play someone
else's solo for even 4 bars (well Allen's solo was famous and
excellent), it would not be in him ... or maybe that's why he
disliked big band section work so much. I should note that Newton's
combos frequently were with 3 or even 4 reedman, and have much of the
hallmarks of big bands, as well as the fact that in 1940/41 he led a
10 piece band at the Mino Club (with Ed Anderson on second trumpet
BTW)
>
>
> Also in 1937, sessions with Maxine Sullivan (a famous ""Loch
Lommand" and a nice solo on "Blues Skies" if I recall), Midge
Williams (better than it would first seem BTW), both of these
sessions were reissued on a Tax LP devoted to Newton in the 70's (I
don't see a reason to own all of Sullivan's 30's work, I prefer her
later in life). I prefer the 2 sessions with Willie "The Lion" Smith
and the Cubs, really good Newton, slightly disorganized affairs, with
fine Pete Brown and vocals by drummer O'Neal Spencer, but "I've Got
To Think it Over", "Peace Brother Peace" (I love that song, it's
about Father Divine) and "Achin Hearted Blues" are all great fun,
even when the material is lightweight (like "Knock Wood") it is
refreshing compared to the average 1937 small group swing sessions
that it was competing against (Waller, Howard et all).
>
> After all the recording in 1937, Newton did little in 1938, he MAY
be on a session by Ollie Shepard in May 1938 (am I raising any
eyebrows here, I am going on a limb here), certainly the session
included Bob Carroll and Teddy Bunn, and I am pretty certain (On
aural evidence only) that Newton could be the trumpeter here, though
not at all at his best.
>
> I will do the next installment on this re the later recordings
(1939/46) including live broadcasts and private recordings. The final
will be re the man, as a bandleader and also what Franz Jackson said
about him
>
> Please excuse my tardiness in responding to you, there is a lot
here, and I am , quite frankly obsessed by this man's work, he and
Lips Page are my favorite post NOLA trumpets (though I also like
Coleman, Butler, Clayton, Briggs, Cooper etc), and I wonder what this
man (who influenced by choosing to be a trumpeter) was like, for I,
like he also like to paint and am interested in politics and history.
>
> All the best
> Yves Francois
>
>
> ^ there is a vocal performance featuring Newton in this session as
well, "Lawd Lawd", actually not a bad vocal, wish he recorded more as
a vocalist, something one does not say about most trumpeters, myself
included
>
> *all 4 titles on the Art Karle session are reissued on the Jasmine
2 CD set, though be careful the following titles on this 2 CD set
does NOT have Frankie Newton solos:
> CECIL SCOTT :Springfield Stomp (Bill Coleman)
> TEDDY HILL: Passionette (Bill Dillard), Big Boy Blue (Shad Collins)
> BUCK RAM: Morning Mist (Shad Collins), note the second (open)
trumpet solo on Twilight In Teheran is also by Collins (Newton is the
first trumpet solo, very tightly muted, and very much in his
character)
>
> + to be fair to Mezzrow, he wanted to do the session with Sidney
Bechet, Red Allen and Dave Nelson, and he may of got drunk/high when
told to bring a different horn section. I think Newton does very
well, it's just that the session has tense moments, usually because
of Mezz.
>
> --- On Thu, 12/4/08, rogerstrong257 <roger@...> wrote:
> From: rogerstrong257 <roger@...>
> Subject: [RedHotJazz] Re: Frankie Newton
> To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 6:09 PM
>
> Hi Yves,
>
>    I wonder if you can contact me about the material you might have
>
> on Frankie Newton. I am still looking for more information about
him.
>
>
>
> Roger Strong
>
> roger@nikau- nursery.co. nz
>
>
>
> --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com, "rogerstrong257" <roger@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > --- In RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com, yves francois <aprestitine@ >
>
> > wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Roger
>
> > >  ... please give me a couple of days, I will write some
detailed
>
> > information re: Newton, I have a full discography* etc, and can
get
>
> > any information you want that is available, Newton happens to be
>
> one
>
> > of my all time favorite musicians (Lips Page is the other post
>
> > Armstrong trumpet I like as much, though several others were also
>
> > great), I will respond with quite a bit of data by Monday
>
> > > all the best (and I will check some sources re: his paintings I
>
> am
>
> > very interested as well re his art)
>
> > > BTW he did a lot of teaching under privileged students trumpet
>
> > lessons ... for free, he was a very principled man, I will also
>
> list
>
> > some articles, share antidotes from Franz Jackson as well (who
>
> played
>
> > with him in Boston in 1943) etc
>
> > > Yves Francois Smierciak
>
> > >
>
> > > Yves
>
> >       Thanks in anticipation! I have always thought that there
was
>
> a
>
> > very vivid character behind the music-a man with many different
>
> > facets to his character and talents and man who died much too
young
>
> > as well. Look forward to your reply when ever you have time.
>
> >
>
> > Roger
>
> > > * I will also list what items in a recent CD reissue are NOT
>
> solos
>
> > by Mr Newton
>
> > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, rogerstrong257 <roger@> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > From: rogerstrong257 <roger@>
>
> > > Subject: [RedHotJazz] Frankie Newton
>
> > > To: RedHotJazz@yahoogro ups.com
>
> > > Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 9:00 PM
>
> > >
>
> > > I am interested in finding out more about Frankie Newton. The
>
> > > material about him in reference books seems to repeat the same
>
> > sorts of
>
> > > things-that he didn't like Big Bands/that he drank to excess/
>
> that
>
> > he
>
> > > was a political activist/that he painted more than played in
the
>
> > last
>
> > > years. He died March 11th,1954 aged only 48. Born january
>
> 4th,1906.
>
> > > I can find about 45 sides that he recorded but I am interested
if
>
> > > anything has been written about him in the last few years. Do
any
>
> > of
>
> > > his painting still exist-what style did he use and indeed
>
> anything
>
> > new
>
> > > or interesting that I can find out about him.
>
> > > Can anyone help please?
>

interesting u should comment on mr teagarden. my uncle  Val salata played the
piano and trumpet with mr. teagarden during that time.  sometime during that 
same era  uncle val had his own band, but i can't find any recordings

my uncle was a trained classical pianist, who loved what we called boogie
woogie.
he died in france just after the war when i believe he was playing  for the USO
, at least that is family lore
i was only 5 at the time

any way i begg to differ with u  i was able to find only one recording- armed
service too, and i think
uncle Vlado was pretty terriffic in his solo

if any one  any recording with uncle Val on it- i would be more than willing to
pay any costs for a duplicate




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Hi.  I remember an Epic boxed set, called Swing Street.  It
originally came out in the mid-'60's.  I could be wrong, but I
think it had Will Bradley's "Beat Me Daddy, 8 to the Bar." I know
it  "Flat Fleet Floogee" by Slim and Slam.  It had early
recordings by big Joe Turner, Dizzy Gillespie, The Spirits of
Rhythm, and others.  I also remember that the Reader's Digest
Album of the Month had a boxed set, called 52ND STREET, which
featured mostly old Commodore stuff, by Coleman Hwkins, Chu
Berry, Lester Young, and a lot of stuff, from that famous town
Hall Concert, from 1945.  Great set! Incidentally, a lot of that
stuff, (the Commodore recordings), came out on a label, called
Jazzland, which was popular in the 1950's.  They were in real
thin jackets.  I had a bunch of 'em; Jelly Roll Morton; Fats
Waller; Chu Berry; Jimmy Yancey, Etc.  Actually, the label issued
old Commodore and Victor stuff.  They were a lot of fun to
collect.  Well, I've really rambled, and not like the guy the
song is about! hahaha Bob

oops


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Val Salata -trumpet is on at least 12 of the tracks on my Halcyon
LP  HAL-4 'The Unforgettable Jack Teagarden'  that I bought from
Peter Russell's Hot Record store in Plymouth England in 1971.
According to the sleeve.
    The tracks he is on were recorded (according to the sleeve) during
the summer of 1944. Of the 12 tracks he is on one, 'China Boy'  seems
to be a smaller group with Vic Rosi-clarinet, Gish Gilbertson-tenor
sax, Don Seidel-piano, and Jim Lynch-bass and Frank Hhorrington-
drums. Val Salata also plays piano on Boogie Woogie.

Roger Strong


--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, bernice joffe <tetapeewee@...>
wrote:
>
>
> interesting u should comment on mr teagarden. my uncle  Val salata
played the piano and trumpet with mr. teagarden during that time.
sometime during that  same era  uncle val had his own band, but i
can't find any recordings
>
> my uncle was a trained classical pianist, who loved what we called
boogie woogie.
> he died in france just after the war when i believe he was playing
for the USO , at least that is family lore
> i was only 5 at the time
>
> any way i begg to differ with u  i was able to find only one
recording- armed service too, and i think
> uncle Vlado was pretty terriffic in his solo
>
> if any one  any recording with uncle Val on it- i would be more
than willing to pay any costs for a duplicate
>
>
>
>
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>