Hello Robert Yes, I thought very carefully before selecting 'rough'. The alternatives would be ' Uptown, 'blues' or 'black', all of which are even more ...
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Bob Eagle
prof_hi_jinx
Jan 26, 2009 10:24 am
I find the Boyd Senter thing hard to believe. Or is New Orleans style really based on white music from the midwest?  Senter was a white musician who was...
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Robert Greenwood
robertgreenw...
Jan 26, 2009 10:29 am
I suspect a pool of players all playing a similar passionate blues- based style of clarinet, of whom Dodds was the most famous exponent. In a recorded...
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Tony Standish
standish_au
Jan 26, 2009 12:54 pm
Hey, good to have some interesting opinions flying around once more! Intriguing discussion about Willie Joseph, but I think we can ignore Max Harrison's rather...
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Robert Greenwood
robertgreenw...
Jan 26, 2009 12:56 pm
Max Harrison may have been employing irony, a favourite rhetorical device of his. It's very unusual for him not to attribute the source, or to quote directly,...
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Robert Greenwood
robertgreenw...
Jan 26, 2009 1:03 pm
... Max was never ... made to ... I know we are supposed to be discussing Willie Joseph, Johnny Dodds, and even Boyd Senter, but allow me a word in Max...
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David Brown
dvd.brown
Jan 26, 2009 4:20 pm
First to Max, who was, I agree, a critic who could offer profound insights but who could also ride less than profound hobby horses. The quote is from a superb...
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Robert Greenwood
robertgreenw...
Jan 26, 2009 4:38 pm
... Dodds played with one the best Creole ... Corner includes a photograph of Willie Joseph with the Celestin Orchestra. It may be my faulty memory regarding...
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yves francois
aprestitine
Jan 26, 2009 4:59 pm
I always saw Emile Barnes to be a sort of bridge between the "Uptown" and "Downtown"; styles. One should judge Barnes on the recordings he made from 1946...
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David Brown
dvd.brown
Jan 26, 2009 5:06 pm
Now I think 'good taste' is a runner for another 'measure of final achievement '. What great jazzman has not had this ? Oh, thinking immediately of the...
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Robert Greenwood
robertgreenw...
Jan 26, 2009 5:19 pm
Oh, I think any great artist aims at more than mere "taste" whereas mediocre ones achieve little else. Here we stray into the (to me, at least) dreaded...
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David Brown
dvd.brown
Jan 26, 2009 5:27 pm
From 'Lost Chords' on 'St Louis Blues' ODJB, Larry Shields ' -- there never has been a chorus played like that, before or since. I play it identically note...
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yves francois
aprestitine
Jan 26, 2009 5:58 pm
David a belated happy new year to you! Jack Purvis would be my vote (I happen to like Purvis a lot, even for this crucial deficiency) at times he was...
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yves francois
aprestitine
Jan 26, 2009 5:59 pm
David I'm impressed, and I think it means that at least one white jazz musician was being heard (and emulated) by many NOLA clarinet players of any cultural...
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Michael Rader
armstark2000
Jan 26, 2009 9:46 pm
There is surprisingly little in books on Joseph, but there is a brief mention of him in a book based on Bill Russell's files. Lawrence Duhé seems to describe...
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David Brown
dvd.brown
Jan 27, 2009 8:50 am
Greetings Yves -- and everybody I have on behind the very first Mile , 'St Louis Blues' even, 1946. This is music of the highest order and also, as 'a measure...
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David Brown
dvd.brown
Jan 27, 2009 9:17 am
Purvis and Jabbo are good examples of a certain lack of taste. But also good examples of another 'measure of final achievement' I could add. Structural...
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David Brown
dvd.brown
Jan 27, 2009 9:42 am
The problem I have with a pool of 'Uptown' players is the lack of any aural evidence and lack of any player who cited any other than a Creole as influence. ...
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Robert Greenwood
robertgreenw...
Jan 27, 2009 11:04 am
Beautiful as it is, there is some whinnying & neighing on the April 1927 San/Oh Lizzie/Clarinet Wobble/New St Louis Blues session not usually associated with...
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Nick Dellow
nick.dellow
Jan 27, 2009 11:40 am
The following appeared in the New Orleans newspaper the Daily Picayune, August 2nd, 1838 (and was reproduced in "Playback"; magazine in January 1950): "There is...
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Robert Greenwood
robertgreenw...
Jan 27, 2009 11:46 am
"One should judge [Emile] Barnes on the recordings he made from 1946 to about 1954 only, for ill health (strokes etc) and a period of time of inactivity left...
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Robert Greenwood
robertgreenw...
Jan 27, 2009 12:44 pm
... dissemination ... copied ... Laurie, Claude ... and 1950s. ... So are you saying that the established clarinet style in New Orleans was the one we refer to...
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Sue Fischer
loerchen2
Jan 27, 2009 12:57 pm
Nick, Thanks for that interesting article! The same thing still holds true today, except that these guys perform in Jackson Square and people give them ...
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David Brown
dvd.brown
Jan 27, 2009 3:50 pm
The trio sides with Love are among the most beautiful music I know. And interesting to compare with a quartet session, Love & Nelson, Luthjens 1949. I think it...
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Michael Rader
armstark2000
Jan 27, 2009 5:21 pm
... dissemination ... copied ... Actually, it wasn't that minimal and already included the Hot Fives. New Orleans musicians were said to be "clannish"; and...
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Albert Haim
alberthaim
Jan 27, 2009 6:47 pm
Indeed, there is strong evidence that musicians listened to recordings of other musicians and were influenced, or at least inspired, by what they heard. A...
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David Brown
dvd.brown
Jan 28, 2009 10:52 am
' there are at least two basic styles of New Orleans clarinet, one close to blues, the other related to French woodwinds. John Casimir reflects something of...
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David Brown
dvd.brown
Jan 29, 2009 9:57 am
Always nice to hear from Albert about Bix. Now Bix is the perfect example of a player with impeccable taste and profound architectonic sense. Also perfectly...
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Albert Haim
alberthaim
Jan 29, 2009 12:46 pm
Your raising the question of Bix's legacy is quite timely. There is some discussion of this topic in the Riverwalk Jazz website. Don Mospick wrote the...
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Ron L
hotjazzron
Jan 29, 2009 2:02 pm
I thought Goodman admitted to being influenced/liked Noone's playing. Ron L ... From: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf...
