-----Message d'origine-----
From: robbi496
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:34 AM
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RedHotJazz] Anyone know why the main site is down?
> I was not able to get to the www.redhotjazz.com site tonite?? Anyone know
> why??
I someone does, I wish he told me as well, some people here or elsewhere
know more than what they wish to tell.
I emailed an Alan Helffrich, supposed to be the administrative/technical
contact of the RHJ website, on the 3rd of November.
His instant, laconic reply was : "I've forwarded you request to Scott".
The only new event since then is that the hosting of the website has been
renewed for a year (if this is what I should understand from "Record expires
on 10-Dec-2011")
No further comment, I've ran out maddening hypothesis. One thing is sure : I
persuaded Scott to accept full ownership of this Yahoo group shortly after I
created it in 2004, although I knew he did not want to be in charge of
anything, but just in case something happened to me. So if his silence has
anything to do with the way Michael or, more likely, myself handled a
couple of problems years ago, I personnally don't mind letting anyone else
run it. Or even pressing the "delete group" button once and for all, which
takes only half a second.
Patrice - paranoid, but that you already know ;-)
[ADMIN - Sorry, Alan, no idea why Yahoo kept it blocked without warning; only
found out while visiting the group's webpage this morning - Patrice]
Hi Folks,
I did post a further message regarding this title but it appears not to
have got through. The composer of 'Mabel's Dream' is given in the Brian Rust and
Walter C Allen book 'King Joe Oliver' as Ike Smith, with a copyright date of
16th November 1923. The same source credits 'I'm going away to wear you off my
mind' to Warren Smith, Lloyd Smith & Clarence Johnson with copyright dates of
21st July 1922, 25th October 1922 & 22nd November 1922. Clarence Johnson is a
familiar name as a composer but the only Warren Smith that I recall was a
trombone player who was one of the original partners in the co-operative the was
the Bob Crosby band. Whether this is the same person I have no way of knowing.
I also tried the main site this morning and it is still down - anyone
have any information ?
TTFN - 007
Hi Folks,
the tune 'I' going away to wear you off my mind' has composer
credits by Warren Smith, Lloyd Smith and Clarence Johnson with copyright dates
shown as 21st July 1922, 25th October 1922 & 22nd November 1922. 'Mabel's dream'
is shown as Ike Smith and copyright date was 16th November 1923. All gleaned
from 'Joe Oliver' by Brian Rust & Walter C Allen.
TTFN - 007
--- On Sun, 28/11/10, Leif R. Blom <yarel41@...> wrote:
From: Leif R. Blom <yarel41@...>
Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Mabel´s Dream
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 28 November, 2010, 10:18
Thank you Dave,
I think I´ve read somewhere about the name too,
but I can´t find it out.
Yarel
________________________________
From: David M Richoux <tubaman@...>
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 28, 2010 7:05:02 AM
Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Mabel´s Dream
According to some quick Internet research (not verified yet ) the
original name of the song was "Maybelle's Dream" but I have not gotten
much further on Ike Smith than that...
Dave Richoux
On Nov 4, 2010, at 3:06 AM, Leif R. Blom wrote:
> Does anyone know something about this tune? Composed by an Ike Smith
> - who is he
> ?
> Is he the same man Smith, composer of I´m going away just to wear
> you off my
> mind ?
> Also played by the Oliver Band. Are the tunes new at that time, just
> composed
> for Oliver ?
> I´ll be grateful for any answers
> Yarel
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
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Thank you Alan,
perhaps we are not going any further with this question?
To me the tune sounds very typical King Joe, but what
do we know about the arrangements?
Yarel
________________________________
From: alan504450 <alan_bond@...>
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 2, 2010 10:27:10 AM
Subject: [RedHotJazz] Mabel's Dream
[ADMIN - Sorry, Alan, no idea why Yahoo kept it blocked without warning; only
found out while visiting the group's webpage this morning - Patrice]
Hi Folks,
I did post a further message regarding this title but it appears not to have got
through. The composer of 'Mabel's Dream' is given in the Brian Rust and Walter C
Allen book 'King Joe Oliver' as Ike Smith, with a copyright date of 16th
November 1923. The same source credits 'I'm going away to wear you off my mind'
to Warren Smith, Lloyd Smith & Clarence Johnson with copyright dates of 21st
July 1922, 25th October 1922 & 22nd November 1922. Clarence Johnson is a
familiar name as a composer but the only Warren Smith that I recall was a
trombone player who was one of the original partners in the co-operative the was
the Bob Crosby band. Whether this is the same person I have no way of knowing.
I also tried the main site this morning and it is still down - anyone have any
information ?
TTFN - 007
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First of all:
Please do NOT hit the Delete button :-)
Second, I was able to get to the site today (just now), so at least it
is not completely down...
But it is slow and seems a little unreliable right now...
This thread alarmed be to the degree that I am now attempting to
download the entire site just to have an archive should the worst
happen. So far I am not having too much luck (timeouts and other
errors), but I'll keep trying. This great collection must be preserved!
On 12/2/2010 4:02 AM, patrice.champarou@... wrote:
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> From: robbi496
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:34 AM
> To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RedHotJazz%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [RedHotJazz] Anyone know why the main site is down?
>
> > I was not able to get to the www.redhotjazz.com site tonite?? Anyone
> know
> > why??
>
> I someone does, I wish he told me as well, some people here or elsewhere
> know more than what they wish to tell.
>
> I emailed an Alan Helffrich, supposed to be the administrative/technical
> contact of the RHJ website, on the 3rd of November.
>
> His instant, laconic reply was : "I've forwarded you request to Scott".
>
> The only new event since then is that the hosting of the website has been
> renewed for a year (if this is what I should understand from "Record
> expires
> on 10-Dec-2011")
>
> No further comment, I've ran out maddening hypothesis. One thing is
> sure : I
> persuaded Scott to accept full ownership of this Yahoo group shortly
> after I
> created it in 2004, although I knew he did not want to be in charge of
> anything, but just in case something happened to me. So if his silence
> has
> anything to do with the way Michael or, more likely, myself handled a
> couple of problems years ago, I personnally don't mind letting anyone
> else
> run it. Or even pressing the "delete group" button once and for all,
> which
> takes only half a second.
>
> Patrice - paranoid, but that you already know ;-)
>
>
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Sorry for the tecchy discussion here, but Richard, just to save you and
anyone else a lot of disappointment :
you *can* download the whole site, but you'll only get the pages, not the
soundfiles which are stored in
a protected folder, and "called" by separate streaming files (all in the
"songs" folder).
These are not the songs themselves, but .ram files, so a backup of the site
on your computer won't work.
Unless, of course, you have enough time on your side to record thousands of
samples, convert, rename and reorganize them into your own folders, and
rewrite all links in each of the html pages. I am too busy/lazy to make an
estimation of the time it would take...
I already thought of these problems when Scott was considering moving his
site to France, I think it should either be kept as is (and no-one but Scott
has access to the whole content, as far as I know) or completely rewritten,
using a CMS which would indeed save a lot time, and allow more functions -
like new entries or minor corrections, for a limited number of contributors
with the relevant permissions.
Not that the purely informative part is not instructive enough in itself, I
saved it years ago.
But please don't all rush on HTTracks together, or we'll do know why the
server is getting slow! ;-))
Patrice
-----Message d'origine-----
From: Richard Lund
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 2:27 AM
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Anyone know why the main site is down?
First of all:
Please do NOT hit the Delete button :-)
Second, I was able to get to the site today (just now), so at least it
is not completely down...
But it is slow and seems a little unreliable right now...
This thread alarmed be to the degree that I am now attempting to
download the entire site just to have an archive should the worst
happen. So far I am not having too much luck (timeouts and other
errors), but I'll keep trying. This great collection must be preserved!
has the owner decided to disband?
> To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
> From: rlund@...
> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 19:27:50 -0600
> Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Anyone know why the main site is down?
>
> First of all:
> Please do NOT hit the Delete button :-)
>
> Second, I was able to get to the site today (just now), so at least it
> is not completely down...
>
> But it is slow and seems a little unreliable right now...
> This thread alarmed be to the degree that I am now attempting to
> download the entire site just to have an archive should the worst
> happen. So far I am not having too much luck (timeouts and other
> errors), but I'll keep trying. This great collection must be preserved!
>
>
> On 12/2/2010 4:02 AM, patrice.champarou@... wrote:
> >
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > From: robbi496
> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:34 AM
> > To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RedHotJazz%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [RedHotJazz] Anyone know why the main site is down?
> >
> > > I was not able to get to the www.redhotjazz.com site tonite?? Anyone
> > know
> > > why??
> >
> > I someone does, I wish he told me as well, some people here or elsewhere
> > know more than what they wish to tell.
> >
> > I emailed an Alan Helffrich, supposed to be the administrative/technical
> > contact of the RHJ website, on the 3rd of November.
> >
> > His instant, laconic reply was : "I've forwarded you request to Scott".
> >
> > The only new event since then is that the hosting of the website has been
> > renewed for a year (if this is what I should understand from "Record
> > expires
> > on 10-Dec-2011")
> >
> > No further comment, I've ran out maddening hypothesis. One thing is
> > sure : I
> > persuaded Scott to accept full ownership of this Yahoo group shortly
> > after I
> > created it in 2004, although I knew he did not want to be in charge of
> > anything, but just in case something happened to me. So if his silence
> > has
> > anything to do with the way Michael or, more likely, myself handled a
> > couple of problems years ago, I personnally don't mind letting anyone
> > else
> > run it. Or even pressing the "delete group" button once and for all,
> > which
> > takes only half a second.
> >
> > Patrice - paranoid, but that you already know ;-)
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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Dear Richard,
I've just downloaded and played the Seven Gallon Jug Band's "Wipe 'Em Off"
without any problems. The site opened almost instantaneously and the recording
downloaded at the speed I'm used to and Real Player started straight away.
I've downloaded a lot of recordings from the Red Hot Jazz Archive and these are
stored on two separate external hard discs as mp3 files.
I should be interested to know which recordings aren't available of those in
yellow text, so that I can try them.
I offered some time ago to receive the names of "rogue" recordings so that I
could send a batch of these to Scott. I quite understand that Scott is too busy
to answer E-mails about single requests, but I assume he would be interested in
making a collective reparation to the site.
Kind Regards
Bob Smith
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-----Message d'origine-----
From: bernice joffe
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 6:38 AM
To: redhotjazz@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RedHotJazz] Anyone know why the main site is down?
> has the owner decided to disband?
The short answer is that we do not know, and wish we did.
Of course I won't delete the group, and it it obvious that if, for whatever
reason, Scott has decided to stay away, his decision has to be respected.
What is, I think, quite unfair, is to refuse saying so once and for all - at
least to one of the people he used to be in touch with. Not excluding the
possibility that something serious happened to him, which keeps me just as
worried.
There is still a link to his bouncing email address on the welcome page of
the RHJ website, which is probably quite disappointing for visitors, but not
directly our problem.
But there is also one to the group's webpage, suggesting that this Yahoo
group is the official, related mailing-list.
This was quite nice when Scott was still with us, but it has now created a
very ambiguous and awkward situation.
I get subscription requests *every week*, all year long, by first-time
visitors who seldom take time to read what this group is about. Most never
post a word, many unsubscribe after a couple of days or weeks, probably
expecting to receive some kind of newsletter or whatever... not mentioning
the calls for help and questions regarding the website itself, which I keep
receiving as the group-owner, and keep patiently replying just to explain
there is nothing I or anyone I know can do about it.
I cannot get rid of this hassle by allowing just "anyone" to the group
without first checking they are (most likely) real people, we would be
instantly flooded with spam - no joke, the server keeps automatically
rejecting lots of ads sent by spamming robots with the reason "not
subscribed".
And I cannot decide to close subscriptions either, it would be the opposite
of the policy which Michael and I tried to define in the first place:
keeping an open place for discussion between people who are sometimes
discovering pre-war jazz, and confirmed specialists - plus a lot of
"in-betweens" like myself ;-)
I took precautions from the start to keep the group from being "abandoned",
even if I happened to vanish myself. I am sorry to understand that Scott did
not bother lending anyone the "keys" to his website, which of course cannot
be argued... but be the assumption correct or not, I think the least would
be to let us/me/someone know.
Patrice
P.S. the group's server seems to have temporary problems, not warning me of
pending messages or subscription requests for a couple of days. This does
not only concern new members, but just anyone, since Yahoo sometimes fancies
marking messages as spam without any obvious reason, and we have to go and
"unlock" them.
I, too, live in France and I just opened the site and listened to a
recording without any problems at all!
Nigel Burlinson.
----- Original Message -----
From: patrice.champarou@...
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Anyone know why the main site is down?
-----Message d'origine-----
From: bernice joffe
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 6:38 AM
To: redhotjazz@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RedHotJazz] Anyone know why the main site is down?
> has the owner decided to disband?
The short answer is that we do not know, and wish we did.
Of course I won't delete the group, and it it obvious that if, for whatever
reason, Scott has decided to stay away, his decision has to be respected.
What is, I think, quite unfair, is to refuse saying so once and for all - at
least to one of the people he used to be in touch with. Not excluding the
possibility that something serious happened to him, which keeps me just as
worried.
There is still a link to his bouncing email address on the welcome page of
the RHJ website, which is probably quite disappointing for visitors, but not
directly our problem.
But there is also one to the group's webpage, suggesting that this Yahoo
group is the official, related mailing-list.
This was quite nice when Scott was still with us, but it has now created a
very ambiguous and awkward situation.
I get subscription requests *every week*, all year long, by first-time
visitors who seldom take time to read what this group is about. Most never
post a word, many unsubscribe after a couple of days or weeks, probably
expecting to receive some kind of newsletter or whatever... not mentioning
the calls for help and questions regarding the website itself, which I keep
receiving as the group-owner, and keep patiently replying just to explain
there is nothing I or anyone I know can do about it.
I cannot get rid of this hassle by allowing just "anyone" to the group
without first checking they are (most likely) real people, we would be
instantly flooded with spam - no joke, the server keeps automatically
rejecting lots of ads sent by spamming robots with the reason "not
subscribed".
And I cannot decide to close subscriptions either, it would be the opposite
of the policy which Michael and I tried to define in the first place:
keeping an open place for discussion between people who are sometimes
discovering pre-war jazz, and confirmed specialists - plus a lot of
"in-betweens" like myself ;-)
I took precautions from the start to keep the group from being "abandoned",
even if I happened to vanish myself. I am sorry to understand that Scott did
not bother lending anyone the "keys" to his website, which of course cannot
be argued... but be the assumption correct or not, I think the least would
be to let us/me/someone know.
Patrice
P.S. the group's server seems to have temporary problems, not warning me of
pending messages or subscription requests for a couple of days. This does
not only concern new members, but just anyone, since Yahoo sometimes fancies
marking messages as spam without any obvious reason, and we have to go and
"unlock" them.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Sorry, too late :-)
I am using httracks actually after trying a few others that just didn't
work at all...
My hope is that I can download all the RAM files, parse them into one
large text file and have a Real Audio downloader pull them all when it's
done.
But I am encountering quite a few 404 (page/object not found) errors.
The program ran overnight and just finished its first run, so I told it
to go again.
The program IS fairly slow given my fast connection, so I don't think
I'm overloading the server :-)
On 12/3/2010 4:08 AM, patrice.champarou@... wrote:
>
> Sorry for the tecchy discussion here, but Richard, just to save you and
> anyone else a lot of disappointment :
> you *can* download the whole site, but you'll only get the pages, not the
> soundfiles which are stored in
> a protected folder, and "called" by separate streaming files (all in the
> "songs" folder).
> These are not the songs themselves, but .ram files, so a backup of the
> site
> on your computer won't work.
> Unless, of course, you have enough time on your side to record
> thousands of
> samples, convert, rename and reorganize them into your own folders, and
> rewrite all links in each of the html pages. I am too busy/lazy to
> make an
> estimation of the time it would take...
>
> I already thought of these problems when Scott was considering moving his
> site to France, I think it should either be kept as is (and no-one but
> Scott
> has access to the whole content, as far as I know) or completely
> rewritten,
> using a CMS which would indeed save a lot time, and allow more
> functions -
> like new entries or minor corrections, for a limited number of
> contributors
> with the relevant permissions.
>
> Not that the purely informative part is not instructive enough in
> itself, I
> saved it years ago.
> But please don't all rush on HTTracks together, or we'll do know why the
> server is getting slow! ;-))
>
> Patrice
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> From: Richard Lund
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 2:27 AM
> To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com <mailto:RedHotJazz%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Anyone know why the main site is down?
>
> First of all:
> Please do NOT hit the Delete button :-)
>
> Second, I was able to get to the site today (just now), so at least it
> is not completely down...
>
> But it is slow and seems a little unreliable right now...
> This thread alarmed be to the degree that I am now attempting to
> download the entire site just to have an archive should the worst
> happen. So far I am not having too much luck (timeouts and other
> errors), but I'll keep trying. This great collection must be preserved!
>
>
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Well, after 3 days of experimenting I had to finally give up on
downloading/archiving the site...
Apart from the fact that I received at least 2 dozen "file not found"
errors, I could not find a program that would allow me to batch download
the over 9,000 (!!!) song files...
I was able to get the URLs from the header files and combine them into
one text file, but there is no reliable program out there that will a)
load a list of URLs, b) download the old PNM protocol and c) work
without crashing randomly...
In fact, Streambox was the only program that came close, but it crashes
to frequently that the work I'd have to put into keeping it going would
not make it worth the little time I have available.
I can only hope that Scott finally will answer again and let us know of
his plans.
If he should contact someone, I would like to offer an alternate
technology for serving the audio files - they could be stored in better
quality as MP3 files and played through a Flash interface (which is a
lot more common to find pre-installed than Real Player). Hopefully he
kept the original quality sound bites archived somewhere...
Anyway, that's neither here nor there until he surfaces again.
In any case, except for some "file not found" errors, the few audio
files that the program tried to download were downloaded successfully,
so it would seem that at least most of the site is still intact.
I personally wish this discussion to be over, but since (for once) I started
replying to a query regarding the RHJ site, here we go :
The most important thing (which I already mentioned) is, I think, that we
can expect the site to keep working at least until December 2011.
The have been so many temporary failures over the years that I suppose the
safest thing, now that we've lost concact with Scott, is to wait until
things are settled.
Another comment is that I think one of the reasons why Scott chose the
realaudio format was that he simply did not want his files to be downloaded.
Plenty of things have changed since then, not only the actual downloading
facility offered by the latest version of the Realplayer, but also the
amazing number of free downloads now offered all over the web, with the more
or less valid excuse of public domain status.
Keeping a streaming protocol, rather than dowloadable mp3's with better
sound quality is, among other things, a way to expressly support the efforts
of the few small records companies which still remaster, publish, and of
course, expect to sell pre-war music. I suppose I do not have to elaborate
any further about this.
Another, very important thing is that Scott's labor of love cannot be
compared to large streaming websites supported by ads and/or some related
commercial activities, which can afford to pay for broadcasting music. We
did fear, a couple of years ago, that new directives regarding online
radios in the US might kill the Archives for good, I do not know much about
these questions but if I consider the crazy ambiguities of French law, I
assume the risk is still pending.
This is why I've always tried to be as discreet as possible about
downloading, and I encourage everyone here to do the same. Of course I am
not candid, the possibility of capturing online music has always existed, be
it only by recording what comes out of your soundcard.
I am not exerting any censorship here, but please remember that discussing
some questions privately with other members you know or trust is still a
possibility, and sometimes a more efficient one than making them public. Up
to your judgement, and I must add that this group is the only one I've known
or run where there are nearly no "moderating" problems, because of
everyone's self-discipline.
Best,
Patrice
-----Message d'origine-----
From: Richard Lund
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 9:04 PM
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Anyone know why the main site is down?
Well, after 3 days of experimenting I had to finally give up on
downloading/archiving the site...
Apart from the fact that I received at least 2 dozen "file not found"
errors, I could not find a program that would allow me to batch download
the over 9,000 (!!!) song files...
I was able to get the URLs from the header files and combine them into
one text file, but there is no reliable program out there that will a)
load a list of URLs, b) download the old PNM protocol and c) work
without crashing randomly...
In fact, Streambox was the only program that came close, but it crashes
to frequently that the work I'd have to put into keeping it going would
not make it worth the little time I have available.
I can only hope that Scott finally will answer again and let us know of
his plans.
If he should contact someone, I would like to offer an alternate
technology for serving the audio files - they could be stored in better
quality as MP3 files and played through a Flash interface (which is a
lot more common to find pre-installed than Real Player). Hopefully he
kept the original quality sound bites archived somewhere...
Anyway, that's neither here nor there until he surfaces again.
In any case, except for some "file not found" errors, the few audio
files that the program tried to download were downloaded successfully,
so it would seem that at least most of the site is still intact.
-----Message d'origine-----
From: myself
>TheRE have been so many temporary failures over the years that I suppose
>the
> safest thing (...) is to wait until things are settled.
I meant to add "next time the site is down".
Sorry, I guess I went a little overboard with this, partially because
of my fear that the site might disappear some day...
If this wasn't a realistic possibility, I would never have said anything
publicly, and now after reading your last message I will stop talking
about it - done.
One clarification: MP3s when played through a Flash interface are not
particularly easy to download either unless you know a few tricks.
Dear Folks:
The problem with me seems to have started when I downloaded the NEW version of
RealPlayer. Version 10. It's got all these bells and whistles to be able to
interface with Iphones, social websites, and other new ways of 'sharing' data.
My problem with the Real files 'hiccuping' and just locking the screen when I
try to play them back exist not only on this file but also on the older files on
www.dismuke.org.
I tried E-mailing Scott on this but my e-mail was rejected. I guess Scott is
getting inundated with e-mails.
Is anyone at still using an older version of RealPlayer?
Has anyone tried to find where one can SAFELY find an older version to install?
Jim Jasion - Jazz Musician - Founder/Moderator - Somerset Jazz Consortium and
Jazz Groove Jam Sessions -
--- In RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com, "bvkct" <bvkct@...> wrote:
>
> Take it easy with the criticism of the red hot jazz web site. It is the best
anthology of traditional jazz that I have ever seen and is a total marvel. It
is a superb teaching tool to show students how jazz developed.
>
> Yes, there may be some errors, but so what? Almost all publications have some
small errors. I continue to be amazed by the depth and quality of the work.
>
> E Bideau
> Tioga Township Dixieland Jazz Band
>
My experience, since RealPlayer prompted me to uninstall the version I had and
install their so-called "New and Improved" Version 10 has been the following:
I can get into the site. I can access the text information and even the links
to the music.
I got into "Irving Aaronson's Commanders" and was able to access "If I Had You"
and it played however, it cut off the first 1/2 second or so of the music. When
I tried to restart it, the playback started 'hiccuping' in short bursts, the
first 1/2 or so of the recording and it stayed stuck there, and all my other
screens were frozen. I had to cold reboot. Other places in the website are
worse. I tried getting into "Last Night On The Back Porch" by the "Varsity
Eight" and it wouldn't let me in at all, just went right into the
hiccuping/locking mode.
I think the problem is not with this website, but the NEW VERSION of RealPlayer
with all its bells and whistles for the Iphone, SmartPhone, 'Droid ( as the kids
call it) and other expanded services cell phone applications.
This problem seems to affect the older files on www.dismuke.com as well, not the
newer ones, put on with more recent VERSIONS of RealPlayer. I found this out
when I tested this theory out on www.dismuke.org.
Has anyone here figured out a way to test this out by de-installing the current
version of RealPlayer on their machines and finding a reliable website with a
legacy version of RealPlayer ( version before release 10 and re-installing THAT?
I'd like to know if there are any software literate people here.
Contact me -
Jim Jasion - JCJasion@...
Is there a way to E-mail Scott directly. I get a Mailer Daemean message when I
try to E-mail him.
Who else can I contact with this theory?
Jim, I allowed both of your messages in case someone could provide you some
help, but I think these questions are not relevant to the group's topic.
There have been several brief discussions here about temporary problems
accessing to the RHJ files, and the best tip was always to wait until things
were fixed, rather than fiddling with one's parameters. But here, what you
mention seems to concern nothing else than *your* system.
There must be plenty of forums devoted to the Realplayer, its versions and
where to dowload them, with much more experienced people.
> I tried E-mailing Scott on this but my e-mail was rejected.
Oh, really ? How surprising!
If you happened to read the group's messages from time to time, you'd know
his address has been bouncing for nearly two years.
Now, I *never* had a single problem with the free versions of the
realplayer, which I installed on various different computers and operating
systems : no unrequested ads, no hassle, no nothing (as long as you
configure it properly). You can easily Google for older versions, but I
cannot guarantee they will work. All I know is that, before suspecting the
software, it is safer to wonder about one's connection, speed, and amount of
memory.
A streamed soundfile (or video) wich gets "stuck" after a few seconds, and
later starts hiccupping, is typically a buffering problem. Not necessarily
related to the version you use or the site it comes from, rather with the
weight (and bitrate) of the file you are trying to access.
I wouldn't mind trying to help you with a more precise diagnosis, for which
you should provide the usual nasty details about your system, but please not
here ;-)
One way to check by yourself would be to download the Realplayer alternative
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/real_alternative.htm and see how things
work.
Patrice
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told me all about you--he is the fine leader of great orchestras for at least
forty years, and is the best player since Bechet!
The Museum of Maine Wildflowers at Midcoast Casco Bay Maine, will be an
international cultural center now in its fourth year of work. We very much need
awareness of this special project for special Maine. The website done once, now
is being revised. thank you
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Frog Records will be releasing "Clarence Williams – Gimme Blues" (DGF 75) in
the near future. We would like to include "Shake That Thing" by the Dixie
Washboard Band, which would result in all the band's recordings being
reissued for the first time, but unfortunately this side is proving to be
somewhat elusive! According to Rust, it was released on Domino 3671, with
"Wait Till You See My Baby Do The Charleston" on the reverse. However, the
only known issued master pressing of the latter side is to be found on
Oriole 565 not the Domino (the other side of Oriole 565 is a Sam Lanin
recording!). Moreover, Rust does not list a take number for "Shake That
Thing", providing instead a question mark next to the matrix number
(6432-?). Was Domino 3671 ever actually issued, or is it simply phenomenally
rare?! I know this is a long shot, but does anyone out there own a copy of
Domino 3671 or have a clean transfer of "Shake That Thing" that we could
use?
Best wishes for 2011,
Nick
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Hi Nick,
              From what I recall, there is no certainty that this
is the correct matrix number for this side, thus the question mark. The fact
that there is a query also suggests that Brian never came across a copy of this
issue. I think it is safe to assume that there are probably no copies extant or
the query would have been resolved and not perpetuated in Tom Lord's 'The Jazz
Discography' which stands as the current state of knowledge.
TTFN - 007
--- On Sun, 2/1/11, Nick Dellow <nick.dellow@...> wrote:
From: Nick Dellow <nick.dellow@...>
Subject: [RedHotJazz] Dixie Washboard Band - Shake That Thing
To: RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 2 January, 2011, 12:33
Frog Records will be releasing "Clarence Williams – Gimme Blues" (DGF 75) in
the near future. We would like to include "Shake That Thing" by the Dixie
Washboard Band, which would result in all the band's recordings being
reissued for the first time, but unfortunately this side is proving to be
somewhat elusive! According to Rust, it was released on Domino 3671, with
"Wait Till You See My Baby Do The Charleston" on the reverse. However, the
only known issued master pressing of the latter side is to be found on
Oriole 565 not the Domino (the other side of Oriole 565 is a Sam Lanin
recording!). Moreover, Rust does not list a take number for "Shake That
Thing", providing instead a question mark next to the matrix number
(6432-?). Was Domino 3671 ever actually issued, or is it simply phenomenally
rare?! I know this is a long shot, but does anyone out there own a copy of
Domino 3671 or have a clean transfer of "Shake That Thing" that we could
use?
Best wishes for 2011,
Nick
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According to the Plaza-ARC discography Vol 1 Page 98
"SHAKE THAT THING" (6432) and
"WAIT TILL YOU SEE MY BABY DO THE CHARLESTON" (6431)
were coupled on Domino 3671 as by "Lousiana Washboard Band"
on Banner 1696 and on Regal 8003 as by "Dixie Washboard Band"
"Wait Till You See My Baby Do The Charleston "was also issued as
Oriole 565 as by "Dixie Jazz Band"
But you already knew that!
Nigel Burlinson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Dellow" <nick.dellow@...>
To: <RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 1:33 PM
Subject: [RedHotJazz] Dixie Washboard Band - Shake That Thing
Frog Records will be releasing "Clarence Williams - Gimme Blues" (DGF 75) in
the near future. We would like to include "Shake That Thing" by the Dixie
Washboard Band, which would result in all the band's recordings being
reissued for the first time, but unfortunately this side is proving to be
somewhat elusive! According to Rust, it was released on Domino 3671, with
"Wait Till You See My Baby Do The Charleston" on the reverse. However, the
only known issued master pressing of the latter side is to be found on
Oriole 565 not the Domino (the other side of Oriole 565 is a Sam Lanin
recording!). Moreover, Rust does not list a take number for "Shake That
Thing", providing instead a question mark next to the matrix number
(6432-?). Was Domino 3671 ever actually issued, or is it simply phenomenally
rare?! I know this is a long shot, but does anyone out there own a copy of
Domino 3671 or have a clean transfer of "Shake That Thing" that we could
use?
Best wishes for 2011,
Nick
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I expect you know this, Nick, but the source of the listing of Domino 3671
is a bulletin listing in Phonograph & Talking Machine News, 15 March 1926.
The listing is not based on anyone ever having seen the record which could
easily have been cancelled before issue.
The Banner and Regal issues noted by Nigel Burlinson from the Plaza-ARC
discography have never come to the attention of jazz discographers. I wonder
where they come from. I am always fearful of deductions based on the (false)
theory that all co-issues that might exist actually do exist.
on 02/01/2011 12:33, Nick Dellow at nick.dellow@... wrote:
> Frog Records will be releasing "Clarence Williams – Gimme Blues" (DGF 75) in
> the near future. We would like to include "Shake That Thing" by the Dixie
> Washboard Band, which would result in all the band's recordings being
> reissued for the first time, but unfortunately this side is proving to be
> somewhat elusive! According to Rust, it was released on Domino 3671, with
> "Wait Till You See My Baby Do The Charleston" on the reverse. However, the
> only known issued master pressing of the latter side is to be found on
> Oriole 565 not the Domino (the other side of Oriole 565 is a Sam Lanin
> recording!). Moreover, Rust does not list a take number for "Shake That
> Thing", providing instead a question mark next to the matrix number
> (6432-?). Was Domino 3671 ever actually issued, or is it simply phenomenally
> rare?! I know this is a long shot, but does anyone out there own a copy of
> Domino 3671 or have a clean transfer of "Shake That Thing" that we could
> use?
>
>
> Best wishes for 2011,
>
>
> Nick
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
howard@...
Tel/FAX: +44 20 8521 1098
Hi Howard,
                    I'm with you on this one. The evidence
that this particular side was ever issued at all is very sketchy and it is only
mentioned in one particular issue of a magazine. For this reason BALR has
attached a question mark in 'Jazz Records'. Unless a copy comes to light I think
we can safely say that it is unlikely to have been issued at all.
TTFN - 007
--- On Sun, 2/1/11, Howard Rye <howard@...> wrote:
From: Howard Rye <howard@...>
Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Dixie Washboard Band - Shake That Thing
To: "red hot jazz" <RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, 2 January, 2011, 14:44
I expect you know this, Nick, but the source of the listing of Domino 3671
is a bulletin listing in Phonograph & Talking Machine News, 15 March 1926.
The listing is not based on anyone ever having seen the record which could
easily have been cancelled before issue.
The Banner and Regal issues noted by Nigel Burlinson from the Plaza-ARC
discography have never come to the attention of jazz discographers. I wonder
where they come from. I am always fearful of deductions based on the (false)
theory that all co-issues that might exist actually do exist.
on 02/01/2011 12:33, Nick Dellow at nick.dellow@... wrote:
> Frog Records will be releasing "Clarence Williams – Gimme Blues" (DGF 75) in
> the near future. We would like to include "Shake That Thing" by the Dixie
> Washboard Band, which would result in all the band's recordings being
> reissued for the first time, but unfortunately this side is proving to be
> somewhat elusive! According to Rust, it was released on Domino 3671, with
> "Wait Till You See My Baby Do The Charleston" on the reverse. However, the
> only known issued master pressing of the latter side is to be found on
> Oriole 565 not the Domino (the other side of Oriole 565 is a Sam Lanin
> recording!). Moreover, Rust does not list a take number for "Shake That
> Thing", providing instead a question mark next to the matrix number
> (6432-?). Was Domino 3671 ever actually issued, or is it simply phenomenally
> rare?! I know this is a long shot, but does anyone out there own a copy of
> Domino 3671 or have a clean transfer of "Shake That Thing" that we could
> use?
>
>
> Best wishes for 2011,
>
>
> Nick
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
howard@...
Tel/FAX: +44 20 8521 1098
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Dear Howard, Alan and Nigel,
Many thanks for your comments regarding "Shake That Thing". Your help is
much appreciated. From what you report, it seems highly likely that this
side was never issued.
Nick
On 2 January 2011 15:31, ALAN BOND <alan_bond@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Howard,
> I'm with you on this one. The evidence that this
> particular side was ever issued at all is very sketchy and it is only
> mentioned in one particular issue of a magazine. For this reason BALR has
> attached a question mark in 'Jazz Records'. Unless a copy comes to light I
> think we can safely say that it is unlikely to have been issued at all.
> TTFN - 007
>
> --- On Sun, 2/1/11, Howard Rye
<howard@...<howard%40coppermill.demon.co.uk>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Howard Rye
<howard@...<howard%40coppermill.demon.co.uk>
> >
> Subject: Re: [RedHotJazz] Dixie Washboard Band - Shake That Thing
> To: "red hot jazz" <RedHotJazz@yahoogroups.com<RedHotJazz%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> Date: Sunday, 2 January, 2011, 14:44
>
>
> I expect you know this, Nick, but the source of the listing of Domino 3671
> is a bulletin listing in Phonograph & Talking Machine News, 15 March 1926.
> The listing is not based on anyone ever having seen the record which could
> easily have been cancelled before issue.
>
> The Banner and Regal issues noted by Nigel Burlinson from the Plaza-ARC
> discography have never come to the attention of jazz discographers. I
> wonder
> where they come from. I am always fearful of deductions based on the
> (false)
> theory that all co-issues that might exist actually do exist.
>
> on 02/01/2011 12:33, Nick Dellow at
nick.dellow@...<nick.dellow%40gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Frog Records will be releasing "Clarence Williams – Gimme Blues" (DGF 75)
> in
> > the near future. We would like to include "Shake That Thing" by the Dixie
> > Washboard Band, which would result in all the band's recordings being
> > reissued for the first time, but unfortunately this side is proving to be
> > somewhat elusive! According to Rust, it was released on Domino 3671, with
> > "Wait Till You See My Baby Do The Charleston" on the reverse. However,
> the
> > only known issued master pressing of the latter side is to be found on
> > Oriole 565 not the Domino (the other side of Oriole 565 is a Sam Lanin
> > recording!). Moreover, Rust does not list a take number for "Shake That
> > Thing", providing instead a question mark next to the matrix number
> > (6432-?). Was Domino 3671 ever actually issued, or is it simply
> phenomenally
> > rare?! I know this is a long shot, but does anyone out there own a copy
> of
> > Domino 3671 or have a clean transfer of "Shake That Thing" that we could
> > use?
> >
> >
> > Best wishes for 2011,
> >
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Howard Rye, 20 Coppermill Lane, London, England, E17 7HB
> howard@... <howard%40coppermill.demon.co.uk>
> Tel/FAX: +44 20 8521 1098
>
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Brian Rust died on 5th January.
I know that there are those present far better qualified to pay tribute.
I claim him as the most important non-musician in the history of our music.
Without him we would have no context, no framework and indeed, no history.
Dave
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I've still got the first Rust. Sits by my desk. Weighs half a ton, yellowing
pages fall out, but comes off the shelf nearly every day..
All my books, records, photographs contain the stories, sounds and images of
people gone. I'm starting to feel like Harry Belafonte in that movie....
On yer, Brian.
Tony Standish
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R.I.P. great man !Marco
Brian Rust died on 5th January.
I know that there are those present far better qualified to pay tribute.
I claim him as the most important non-musician in the history of our music.
Without him we would have no context, no framework and indeed, no history.
Dave
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I think it was Sidney Poitier, though that's a tiny detail. I know the feeing
well.Â
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We are all very much indebted to Brian Rust for all he's done. Many hot
enthusiasts, to this day, still use Rust's early editions (and some even those
of Charles Delaunay) as their primary reference sources.
Â
Mike
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I've still got the first Rust. Sits by my desk. Weighs half a ton, yellowing
pages fall out, but comes off the shelf nearly every day..
All my books, records, photographs contain the stories, sounds and images of
people gone. I'm starting to feel like Harry Belafonte in that movie....
On yer, Brian.
Tony Standish
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