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Let's say you're producing a track which includes a standard rock band in
the 70's style, with a drummer, rhythm guitarist, bassist, lead guitarist,
keyboard player, and vocalist. Which if any of the following methods do
people here like to use for putting together pan settings?

Assume the band is static, with instruments located in one place that never
moves?

Assume the band is performing, with "mobile" instruments (vocals, bass, and
guitars -- you can't very well wander around the stage with a rack of
synths or a drum set) moving around to some degree?

Assume the listener is static, sitting in one and only one optimal spot in
the middle of the band?

Assume the listener is in front of the band at some distance, turning his
head to follow the "action" and thereby causing the *entire* band to pan as
a cohesive unit?

Or just place individual instruments and parts in the mix without any
concern for where the performers are on the stage, considering only the
desired musical effect?

What I was thinking here was, given a guitar solo, you could either drop it
dead center (reasonably common), pan it around from place to place as if
the guitarist were playing to the crowd in the typical fashion for live
shows, gradually move it from one side to the center as the listener's
attention "shifts" and then keep it there, or move it from one side to the
center and then pan the rest of the band around as though the guitarist was
moving but the listener's attention was remaining focused on him.

How do people find these methods to work in practice? Anyone have thoughts
on this? In the case of a listener in the center of the band, is it
generally considered preferable to "swap" on a focus change, e.g. the
existing center sound just moves over to where the new centered piece is as
the new central instrument migrates to the front, or to rotate the entire
band around the listener?

Secondary question, has *anyone* here had any luck taking an individual
vocal sample and producing the effect of a crowd shouting it? I keep asking
this question, and no one ever answers it. Should I just run the sample
through a stack of three or four chorus effects in series with
progressively more extreme spreads?

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Let's say you're producing a track which includes a standard rock band in the 70's style, with a drummer, rhythm guitarist, bassist, lead guitarist, keyboard...
Caliban Tiresias Dark...
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Aug 28, 1999
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... I think it would be better to give everything a fixed position, then let each central instrument 'step forwards' (centre/louder/dryer) then step back to ...
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Aug 28, 1999
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On 10:04 AM 8/28/1999 +0100, I personally witnessed Paul Kellett jumping up ... I don't quite understand how it could be confusing. It wouldn't be like flying...
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In a message dated 8/28/99 2:04:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ... I generally use a combination of these and maybe do some panning to a new location if a solo...
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In a message dated 8/28/99 6:44:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ... A friend of mine and noted speaker designer Richard Pierce informed me that the death of...
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On Stardate 27 Aug 99, 23:02, subspace transmissions from Caliban Tiresias ... First thing first: Whoever wants to make such boring music? :-) ... Reasonable...
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Aug 31, 1999
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On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Mr 'Zap' Andersson wrote: [...] ... Yeah, I imagine most live shows are mixed for the sound, not based on where the guitarist has run off...
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Aug 31, 1999
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On 08:57 AM 8/31/1999 +0001, I personally witnessed Mr 'Zap' Andersson ... Queen, Kiss, Blue Oyster Cult, Nazareth, Pink Floyd, Rainbow, Styx, Cheap Trick, Van...
Caliban Tiresias Dark...
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Sep 1, 1999
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... Yes, exactly. And who wants to listen to such boring music as listed above? Actually the only thing in the list above I would consider listening to, would...
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Sep 1, 1999
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On 08:33 AM 9/1/1999 +0001, I personally witnessed Mr 'Zap' Andersson ... Considering their radio airplay and album sales, several million people. Of course,...
Caliban Tiresias Dark...
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Sep 1, 1999
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... Way back when. WAY back when. ... No Vince Clarke is god. ... No I'm forced to listen to lots of crap on the radio which is not techno. And lots of good...
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Sep 1, 1999
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On 10:52 AM 9/1/1999 +0001, I personally witnessed Mr 'Zap' Andersson ... No, today. Yes, today. Each and every one of those bands saw airplay today in every...
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... Now *thats* a very American opinion! :-) Don't you think that the reason so (relatively) few Europeans tour America is *because of* opinions like that? ......
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... Van ... Just *have to* comment: And where did this take music/guitarplaying?: Right into masturbation... Gimme Keith Richards and five strings anyday... ...
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On 02:38 PM 9/1/1999 +0200, I personally witnessed Peter Hageus jumping up ... What, that a show ought to be a show and not some stoned dipshit on a computer?...
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On Stardate 1 Sep 99, 5:09, subspace transmissions from Caliban Tiresias Darklock <Stomper@onelist.com> indicated: <Please ALL keep in mind that there is a...
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Sep 1, 1999
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... Thats why you have a "performance group" for that crap. Or smoke and lasers. Hell anything that works.  Music isn't meant to be played on stage. If I...
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On 04:20 PM 9/1/1999 +0001, I personally witnessed Mr 'Zap' Andersson ... Assuming, of course, you actually go out and do something. ... Then you should damn...
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... See we agree here. Actually if we both drop the pragmatic attitude (adopted here mostly for entertainment value) I guess we'd find we both agree on almost...
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On 04:16 PM 9/1/1999 +0001, I personally witnessed Mr 'Zap' Andersson ... Well... um... uh... okay, you win. ... Yeah! Crappy music is easy to make lots of. ...
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On 05:36 PM 9/1/1999 +0001, I personally witnessed Mr 'Zap' Andersson ... And where the music resides. Although arguably we even agree on that: it's *not* in...
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Sep 1, 1999
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... and ... based ... be ... Nope, I meant the fact that many (I'm not saying you specifically) americans consider USA to be the center of the universe, and...
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... Yes but it sells tons ... Maybe but it doesnt sell. ... I'm not so sure. ... No. Well to some degree. But every label promotes everything about the same,...
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... actually, it does take talent. but talent at fingers is not to be confused with talent at music. it's still talent though. just a different kind. ben still...
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On 06:34 PM 9/1/1999 +0200, I personally witnessed Peter Hageus jumping up ... Not at all what I was saying... American culture is so skewed, though, I mean...
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Sep 1, 1999
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... asking ... No idea about the other things you asked, but why don't yuo try making these yourself? Just shout/sing the words into the microphone, get sdome ...
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Aug 31, 1999
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... WTF are you guys bitching about! I AM GOD. there are no two ways about it. ~amir~ "the sexiest tinkerer alive" tinkerer@... ...
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... ummm... ben -- http://listen.to/malhavok http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/2786...
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On 07:50 PM 9/1/1999 +0001, I personally witnessed Mr 'Zap' Andersson ... Okay, here's the question: if you did something shitty that made a lot of money at...
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