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EVERY Chord and Scale for guitar- LITERALLY!!   Message List  
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Re: EVERY Chord and Scale for guitar- LITERALLY!!

I'm a near-beginning guitarist (on the cusp of intermediate),
advanced on several other instruments, but my two cents' worth:

No single book is the be-all and end-all of musical information. In
terms of compendia of scales, chords, etc., the Slonimsky book is
useful; "Patterns for Jazz" by Coker, et al is quite useful, although
as a guitarist you have to figure out how to apply the information to
the guitar.

In terms of learning about how to apply chord/scale information, it's
hard to beat traditional, "classical" theory textbooks such as Walter
Piston's "Harmony" and "Counterpoint," and Persichetti's "Twentieth
Century Harmony." Anything published by Jamey Aebersold is useful for
chord/scale theory, applications, and ear training (in a mainstream,
modern jazz context, but there's a lot of carryover to other styles).

BTW, it's good to see this list becoming active again.

Best regards,

Keith


--- In The-Guitar-Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Baldwin
<coyotelk@...> wrote:
>
> While I don't doubt the sincerity of those who point to resources
for "every scale" and "every chord" (and why no interest in "every
rhythm?"), I believe that there are several aspects to music and
learning that should be addressed before claims of "every" whatever
are made.
>
> First, we should consider the texts that address these issues that
have already been published. In my experience, the best books are
the "Thesaurus of Scales and Melodic Patterns" by Nicholas Slonimsky
and "The Scale-Chord Synopticon" by Kathleen Powell and John Fowler.
I suspect that Joseph Schillinger's "Schillinger System of
Composition" covers the same ground, but I don't own a copy - I've
only seen it a few times in my life, and it's really expensive to
buy. So before I get all excited about anyone's book of "every" chord
or scale, I'd like to know how they might differ from these texts.
>
> Second, as we delve into these explorations of "every" this
and "every" that, we might wish to define just what a "chord"
or "scale" is. (The Scale-Chord Synopticon does this extremely well,
by the way.) Is a group of any five notes played simultaneously a
chord? If those same five notes are played in a logical ascending or
descending order, are they now a scale? Or an arpeggio? Comments?
>
> Third, we might ask ourselves, once we have amassed this valuable
pile of information, what are we going to do with it? It's very much
like holding up a telephone book and announcing, "this book has all
of my friends in it!" Sure it does, and it also has a lot of people
you'll never meet at all. To me, scales and chords are like friends.
I have a few that I wish to know very well, a few that are
acquaintances, and many that are not relevant to my life.
>
> Fourth, it can be quite a project to apply just a few scales (and
their modes), or just a few chords (and their different inversions
and voicings), or just a few rhythms to the guitar.
>
> I'd like to hear from someone who has found a book or approach to
scales, chords, rhythms and/or musical patterns (in general or on the
guitar) that sheds light on the organization and use of musical
information, not just the collection of same.
>
> One more thought: a few years back, I decided to figure out all the
possible fingerings of all voicings and inversions of a single major
triad on the guitar (excluding open strings, and allowing for a seven-
fret limit playable with four fingers and the thumb around the neck).
I put it aside after I'd written down about 300 different block
diagrams. Anybody know how many major triad fingerings are in Muriel
Anderson's book or the "everychordandscale" files?
>
> Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
> www.thecoyote.org
> coyotelk@...
>
> "Life! Life!
> Clouds and clowns!
> You don't have to come down!"
> - Sly and the Family Stone
>







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It is a well known fact that the path to being a truly great guitar player is to have a vast working knowledge of the chords, scales and modes. What can make...
everychordandscale
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Interesting. I ran into the same problem and ended up doing the same thing - compiled a total list. Kool. Jim ... have a vast ... player stand out is ... ...
Carl, Asst Groundskee...
jkernix
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Aug 18, 2005
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Why try to remember it all at once, knowing how to build them tends to work best, like a Em11 taking the major scale use the 1st,a flatten 3rd since its a ...
John Q. Public
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Aug 19, 2005
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Well, that's what I said below - I did build them for a comprehensive list. I searched for a total list because I kept stumbling upon a new chord that wasn't ...
Jim K.
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Hi everyone.... i also think that its better to know the basic rules for making of the chords and learning them as u play them and try to get them directly on...
robindangwal
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Aug 22, 2005
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That could take a while. I'll try to be brief. Email me back if you want to know more. Chords are built by stacking thirds. For example, the key of C Major has...
Jim K.
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ever try a Maj7Sus2Sus4 sounds worse then it is ... -x--- B ... --x-- D -x--- A -x--- E ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? ...
John Q. Public
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Standard tuning you mean, EADGBE - that combo of notes spells either: 1. an Em11, or 2. an A9sus, or 3. a G6 add9 with E in the root, or 4. a D6 sus with E in...
Jim K.
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Mister Deedge, you're too kind. Just by the way, did I mention that there's a book that actually defines every chord and scale (within certain very sensible...
Douglas Baldwin
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Jun 8, 2006
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Hey Keith- You hit it on the head! The books you mentioned are some of the best, and the whole journey is about collecting a little here, a little there, and...
Douglas Baldwin
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Perhaps a brief post will cause this static to subside. Music exists without name. Names come after use, to identify and pass along sounds and passages AFTER...
Douglas Baldwin
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Whatever dude. I thought I was being reasonable - not rude. Didn't appreciate your comments. And we weren't discussing scales outside of the western 12-tone,...
Jim K.
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I have a degree! If you stick a "whatever" root in there it will change the chord. Misnaming a chord IS bad communication! "Jim K." <jkernix@...> wrote:...
Paganini Freak
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Aug 28, 2005
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Gdamn sheesh each chord has a name yea you could say well asus2 is a esus4 but thats not completely true cuss you loose you target tones and not to mention ...
John Q. Public
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Aug 29, 2005
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WOW! I'm speechless. I've already dropped it....
Jim K.
jkernix
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Inverting a chord is not the same as making it minor. When you invert, you take the basic stacked triads (for example) and put the root on top for a 1st...
Paganini Freak
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Aug 29, 2005
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... . Let us all strive to discuss music positively and joyously, and not as a pissing contest. ... I think the most important word in that last sentence is...
thedeedge1
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Actually there are two very good books on the subject that are very reasonably priced by the incredible Muriel Anderson. All Chords in All Positions and All...
Randy
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Aug 13, 2006
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While I don't doubt the sincerity of those who point to resources for "every scale" and "every chord" (and why no interest in "every rhythm?"), I believe that...
Douglas Baldwin
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I'm a near-beginning guitarist (on the cusp of intermediate), advanced on several other instruments, but my two cents' worth: No single book is the be-all and...
Keith
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