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Re: [TGC] from a new member

  I actually agree with you on that.  However, when i do go for the types of m6 chords as we've been mentioning, I tend to like to get as much sound out of the instrument as I can.  :)  -It's just sort of a personal pref.  

  Obviously, as you say, it depends on the situation you're playing in as well as what the material itself really calls for, but I generally like to voice as tonally rich of chords as I can, so I do tend to go for more colors as a rule.  

  Anyway, terrific topic!  

Smiles,

Cara  :)


On Aug 28, 2008, at 4:00 PM, Mike C. wrote:


Actually, I use that voicing a lot, usually more for min. 7th. I find that barre chords are not nearly as necessary as I thought they were when I was first learning them, particularly if I'm playing with a bass player.
 
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From: Cara Quinn
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Subject: Re: [TGC] from a new member

  Yeah, that's a much simpler version in a pinch!  I've definitely used it from time to time.  :)  I personally always use my second / third fingers to voice the fifth / fourth string notes in minor barre chords which leaves my pinky free for additional sixths / ninths and such.  -But that's just me.  :)

  thanks for the msgs / tabs!  

  Am just catching up on a bit of email before sleepage so will check the others out tomorrow!…  

Have a great night!…  

Smiles,

Cara  :)


On Aug 27, 2008, at 7:09 PM, Michael Crutcher wrote:

Gotcha. I didn't realize that you were talking about barring the Cm chord with 2nd and 3rd finger on the 5th and 4th strings. I don't like to play that chord that way, because of the stretch between the barre and the 2nd finger, but it's not out of the question. A little uncommon, but certain possible. I'd probably be more likely to do away with the barre and do it this way:

x-10-10-8-10-x

No barre need apply. Stretch is between 1st and 2nd finger, but without trying to barre it. To each his own. 

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To: The-Guitar-Cafe@yahoogroups.com
From: Cara-Quinn@earthlink.net
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:58:19 -0700
Subject: Re: [TGC] from a new member

  Mike, just reread your note and think I got your meaning.  I think it was just a case of us misunderstanding eachother.  I clarified my chord voicing in my last post.  I assume you were thinking that the Bb on the fourth string would sound if that string weren't muted, if that string weren't directly fretted at the tenth fret.  

  Apologies for my confusion.  -Just misread your note!  :)  

Have an awesome day!…  

Smiles,

Cara  :)


On Aug 26, 2008, at 11:43 PM, Michael Crutcher wrote:

Well, that's not quite true. You'd have to 1)finger the barre chord with 2nd and 3rd fingers on the 5th and 4th strings, or if you use 4th finger to finger the 2nd finger, you'd need to mute the 4th string. 

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To: The-Guitar-Cafe@yahoogroups.com
From: Cara-Quinn@earthlink.net
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:31:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [TGC] from a new member

  -Not sure about voicing here either, (haven't listened to the track yet) but you could also easily voice a Cm6 by playing a standard minor barre chord on the eighth fret and add the A note by also fretting the second string at the tenth.  

HTH

Smiles,

Cara  :)


On Aug 26, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Michael Crutcher wrote:

I don't know if it's the voicing that Don McLean uses, but a Cm6 can be played in the same position as a garden-variety open C chord. However, to make it a minor chord, you have to flat the E note on the 4th string, and raise the open G string to A at the 2nd fret, making the 5th into the 6th. I like to think of it as the first finger barred across the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th string, with the third finger on the 3rd string, raising it to an A note. The 3rd finger is on the 3rd fret, top string. 

The notes of this chord are C, Eb, G, A. The C note is on the 2nd string(1st finger), the Eb is on the 4th string(1st finger), the G is in the bass, on the 6th string (3rd finger), and the A is on the 3rd string (2nd finger). You could leave the G out of the chord and double the root by moving the 3rd finger to the 5th string, if you really want to hear the root on the bottom. 

Another way to do this is to play open A(5th string), Eb on the 4th string(1st fret), open G(3rd string), and C on the 2nd string(1st fret). This sounds more like Am7(b5), but these chords both have the same notes, so only the root note makes the difference. As the preceding chord is Am7, this would be the best voice-leading option would be, but it may sound less like Cm6. 

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From: wooferess@sbcglobal.net
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:58:53 -0700
Subject: [TGC] from a new member

This might not be a really busy list, as I have gotten no posts since joining last night.  Anyway, I've been messing around with guitars since the summer of 1968.  Light rock and just about any old country music, in particular, music by CCR.  I know, I'm showing my age, because I graduated high school in 1972.  Heh heh heh.  Anyway, I've never studied sheet music all that much because brailled sheet music makes no sense to me at all.  I play by ear.  Well, OK, actually, fingers.  (grin)  Now for a question:  I have always hit a C minor in a portion of the song, "Vincent", by Don McLean, where it talks about "and when no hope was left in sight on that starry, starry night".  The chord is right on that first "starry".  It doesn't sound quite right, and I've heard that it should be a C minor 6th.  The question is, how to make that chord?  I'm not too technically savvy, I just sort of figured how to play, so if you can give the fingers and where to put them, it will be appreciated.  Thanks.
 
Oh, by the way, for my last birthday, in May, I got a Fender Strat.  I've always wanted one!  God, it plays nice!

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I don't know if it's the voicing that Don McLean uses, but a Cm6 can be played in the same position as a garden-variety open C chord. However, to make it a...
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-Not sure about voicing here either, (haven't listened to the track yet) but you could also easily voice a Cm6 by playing a standard minor barre chord on the...
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Well, that's not quite true. You'd have to 1)finger the barre chord with 2nd and 3rd fingers on the 5th and 4th strings, or if you use 4th finger to finger the...
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NOt following you here; • barre the eighth fret with the first finger • voice the fifth / forth strings respectively with the second and third fingers at...
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Cara, you're right on here. I guess my issue was with "a standard minor barre chord." I consider the standard minor barre chord as being fingered with the 3rd...
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Mike, just reread your note and think I got your meaning. I think it was just a case of us misunderstanding eachother. I clarified my chord voicing in my...
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Gotcha. I didn't realize that you were talking about barring the Cm chord with 2nd and 3rd finger on the 5th and 4th strings. I don't like to play that chord...
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Yeah, that's a much simpler version in a pinch! I've definitely used it from time to time. :) I personally always use my second / third fingers to voice the...
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Which one? The first tab might be considered that. The 2nd tab is the "Cm6", which could be considered Am7(b5). Mike Crutcher ...
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Well, in theory, no it doesn't exist. In reality, yeah, you can do that. Theory guys would consider it an incomplete Am7(b5), and functioning as such. It...
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