In Ravenscroft's Deuteromelia (London 1609), the song "Give us once a drinke" (rendered in 4 parts) is a version of the Barley Mow. Give us once a drinck for...
Chappell, Popular music of the Olden Time (II p.745) notices the Deuteromelia connection, but comments no further on it Steve Roud ... From: Mike Tristram To:...
Hi Mike, Dr Vic Gammon apparently deals with this at some length in his book on drinking songs which was published recently. I haven't yet got a copy and...
Hi Steve Thank you for the pointer, I have got Vic Gammon's book which in full is called Desire, Drink and Death in English Folk and Vernacular Song, 1600-1900...
An afterthought: Assuming C16th people would still know what "bell amy" meant (good friend), corruption seems still possible but not all that probable: why...
Thanks, Martin. Will follow this up. Can you please remind me if you are going to be there on Saturday? If not I will have to try to get someone else to take...
... A couple more C19 references also make the connection. In his 'In Praise of Ale' (London, 1888, 192-3), W T Marchant quotes the Ravenscroft text,...
I have a first edition (1935) of Greene and like all my books is for sale. End of blatant plug. The first verse goes: Jentill Butler, bell amy, Fyll the bole...
A 'bevie' / 'bevy' is still understood in many places as a drink, so 'bevie a touts' - 'a drink for all' - would make sense, and as Dave suggests, be very...
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Nov 3, 2008 10:39 am
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A bit of reasonable(?) speculation here: "Bevis a towt" sounds as if it could be a development of "Buvez à tous", or perhaps, "Buvez à tout". The first...
Sandy Easton
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Nov 3, 2008 12:05 pm
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This is in R.T. Davies' "Medieval Lyrics" (1963), who spells it Bevis à tout!" and translates it into "drink to all" Andy ... This is in R.T. Davies'...
Andy Rouse
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Nov 3, 2008 1:55 pm
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Great stuff Andy, Martin and Mike. Does Bruce Olson's site have any of this I wonder? Martin, have you added the Ravenscroft website to our website links? ...
Great Explanations, thanks! (Brings a new dimension to "Bevis, the Story of a Boy" by local writer Richard Jefferies...) MikeT ........................ This is...
Actually, the Ravenscroft site is already on our list (http://www.tradsong.org/link.html) so we didn't do that bad a job way back. I am hoping that Lewis will...
Hi, Everything on track for Saturday other than we need someone to stand in as secretary just for this one meeting. Martin will be there but will be on holiday...
In Colin Andrews' book about Michael Blann, 'Shepherd of the Downs', 2ndEdn2006, he cites the song, "Some Love to Roam", as "missing". There are 38 citations...
Dear Steve Thanks! (It is a wonderful index by the way) Mike ... From: Steve Roud To: Tradsong@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:12 AM ...
Colin Andrews has a website at http://www.bonnygreen.co.uk/ <http://www.bonnygreen.co.uk/> and I am sure he will be very pleased with the information below. ...
Apologies Steve/Martin - I shan't be able to attend the meeting as I have other things going on down here in Guildford. I've sent you a separate email...
Now I have got a 'cheap' reprint edition of Greene's Early English Carols, I have got the full text (which is robustly jolly) of the "Jentill butler, bell amy"...
Can anyone here recommend this series of books for learning to sight read with folk songs? 'Folk Song Sight Singing' by Edgar Crowe et al Looks like I'm going...
Mike, Re point (3) this tradition still exists in the Balearic (Mallorca, Menorca) and Pitiuses (Ibiza, Formentera) islands of Spain. How muchit is still done...
Mike, Whilst I have come across references in most general books to the origins of ballad singing, that they were originally, i.e., during the middle ages,...
Steve, Thanks - sorry if I was getting a bit off-topic with the dance angle - I will ask someone at Cecil Sharp House. I am more into songs myself too, but my...
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