Thanks for this, but I first need a statement from someone as to whether they are in fact the same person. I have come across this earlier with other songs and at the time decided that perhaps they weren't the same person as there were significant differences between versions, but in this case the 2 versions of 10 stanzas are almost identical.
I believe I remember reading there is someone doing a study of Sharp's Somerset collecting. Can anyone please remind me who?
Cheers,
Steve Gardham
To: Tradsong@yahoogroups.com CC: gardhams@... From: mbcjo@... Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:45:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tradsong] Mrs Gulliver/Gulliford
I believe I've commented on the subject of names and spelling in a previous thread (Obray Ramsey?). In genealogy this is a frequent issue and their is no good answer in the absence of an official record (birth, death or marriage; military service; tombstone or other church related record). Even worse some folks alter their name, my great uncle born Ocheltree died O'Cheltree, my great grandmother Tynes with her Tines cousins. Best practice would seem to be pick one and annotate the alternative.
---- gardhams <gardhams@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > I'm probably stating the b******* obvious here, but it would seem from comparing versions recorded by Sharp from Jane Gulliford of Combe Florey with versions recorded by Hammond from Mrs Gulliver of Combe Florey that they are one and the same person. Can anyone please shed light on this? And if this is the case which is the correct spelling?
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I learned a couple days ago that
Appalachian folk singer Jean Ritchie has had a stroke and is
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For those who would like to know how she is doing, her son
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I believe I've commented on the subject of names and spelling in a previous
thread (Obray Ramsey?). In genealogy this is a frequent issue and their is no
good answer in the absence of an official record (birth, death or marriage;
military service; tombstone or other church related record). Even worse some
folks alter their name, my great uncle born Ocheltree died O'Cheltree, my great
grandmother Tynes with her Tines cousins. Best practice would seem to be pick
one and annotate the alternative.
---- gardhams <gardhams@...> wrote:
> I'm probably stating the b******* obvious here, but it would seem from
comparing versions recorded by Sharp from Jane Gulliford of Combe Florey with
versions recorded by Hammond from Mrs Gulliver of Combe Florey that they are one
and the same person. Can anyone please shed light on this? And if this is the
case which is the correct spelling?
I'm probably stating the b******* obvious here, but it would seem from comparing
versions recorded by Sharp from Jane Gulliford of Combe Florey with versions
recorded by Hammond from Mrs Gulliver of Combe Florey that they are one and the
same person. Can anyone please shed light on this? And if this is the case which
is the correct spelling?
Also has anyone got access to Walter Pardon's fragment of Roud 665 The Man of
Dover/ Man of Birmingham Town and can let me know which stanzas of Frank
Purslow's excellent collated version in Wanton Seed it corresponds to? From the
Roud Index the first line would indicate it started at stanza 12. I have a
sneaky suspicion it may only be a single stanza as recorded by Jim Carroll.
The only currently available broadsides only have the same 10 stanzas whereas
FEP's collated version has 15. Allowing for Marina Russell's unique last stanza
and an extra one in the broadside, it would appear that FEP's collation is very
likely much closer to the original than the 2 19th century broadsides. As with
many ballads a longer 18thc stall copy is looking very likely. Another good
reason for investigating the many unpublished collections of 18thc garlands.
SteveG
There is also Simon Costin's Museum of British Folklore being set up at the moment, this is an extraordinary archive and national effort which Doc has much involvement in, though not located it would be a perfect visible place were VWML not in a position to recieve it.
Perhaps we need a 'folk' museum to take all those artefacts that have come from the tradition, preferably in the midlands rather than London, so we can all get there. Now there's a project for somebody, Doc Rowe perhaps?
SteveG
To: Tradsong@yahoogroups.com CC:info@....co.uk From: chrisjbrady@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:26:46 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tradsong] dancing doll
Well I have 50 from around the world, including a marionnette that has a jig doll that also has a jig doll made by Ted Beresford. I wanted to leave said collection to Bethnal Green Children's Museum (part of V&A). But after ignoring three emails from me they eventually replied saying that they didn't have room to store them (let alone display them). I'm still searching ... wonder what Pat Pickles thinks? Chris B.
From: Derek Schofield <derek@dschofield.demon.co.uk> Subject: [Tradsong] dancing doll To: "Traditional Song Forum" <tradsong@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 10:05
Err... the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library?
Derek
Peggy Seeger has a dancing doll which was made by Harry Cox for Ewan MacColl, and which she would like to donate to a suitable archive. Can anyone suggest anywhere?
One of the noted collectors/historians of dancing dolls is Pat Pickles of Wakefield. I have contact details. There's also Rolf Harris of course. But yes, the best place for it is C#H obviously.
SteveG
To: tradsong@yahoogroups.com From: derek@... Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:05:09 +0000 Subject: [Tradsong] dancing doll
Err... the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library?
Derek
Peggy Seeger has a dancing doll which was made by Harry Cox for Ewan MacColl, and which she would like to donate to a suitable archive. Can anyone suggest anywhere?
Cheers,
Fred McCormick.
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Perhaps we need a 'folk' museum to take all those artefacts that have come from the tradition, preferably in the midlands rather than London, so we can all get there. Now there's a project for somebody, Doc Rowe perhaps?
SteveG
To: Tradsong@yahoogroups.com CC: info@... From: chrisjbrady@... Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:26:46 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tradsong] dancing doll
Well I have 50 from around the world, including a marionnette that has a jig doll that also has a jig doll made by Ted Beresford. I wanted to leave said collection to Bethnal Green Children's Museum (part of V&A). But after ignoring three emails from me they eventually replied saying that they didn't have room to store them (let alone display them). I'm still searching ... wonder what Pat Pickles thinks? Chris B.
--- On Tue, 15/12/09, Derek Schofield <derek@dschofield.demon.co.uk> wrote:
From: Derek Schofield <derek@dschofield.demon.co.uk> Subject: [Tradsong] dancing doll To: "Traditional Song Forum" <tradsong@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 10:05
Err... the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library?
Derek
Peggy Seeger has a dancing doll which was made by Harry Cox for Ewan MacColl, and which she would like to donate to a suitable archive. Can anyone suggest anywhere?
Well I have 50 from around the world, including a marionnette that has a jig doll that also has a jig doll made by Ted Beresford. I wanted to leave said collection to Bethnal Green Children's Museum (part of V&A). But after ignoring three emails from me they eventually replied saying that they didn't have room to store them (let alone display them). I'm still searching ... wonder what Pat Pickles thinks? Chris B.
--- On Tue, 15/12/09, Derek Schofield <derek@...> wrote:
From: Derek Schofield <derek@...> Subject: [Tradsong] dancing doll To: "Traditional Song Forum" <tradsong@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 10:05
Err... the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library?
Derek
Peggy Seeger has a dancing doll which was made by Harry Cox for Ewan MacColl, and which she would like to donate to a suitable archive. Can anyone suggest anywhere?
Peggy Seeger has a dancing doll which was made by Harry Cox for Ewan MacColl,
and which she would like to donate to a suitable archive. Can anyone suggest
anywhere?
A grand set of heroes that doll stands (dances) for! I would be
very happy if I could see this in the glass cases in the entrance to C#H? (Especially
if Malcolm can give demos?) Mike
From: Tradsong@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Tradsong@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of soundofcd Sent: 15 December 2009 09:43 To: Tradsong@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Tradsong] Harry Cox's Dancing Doll
Peggy Seeger has a dancing doll which was made
by Harry Cox for Ewan MacColl, and which she would like to donate to a suitable
archive. Can anyone suggest anywhere?
Cheers,
Fred McCormick.
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Peggy Seeger has a dancing doll which was made by Harry Cox for Ewan MacColl,
and which she would like to donate to a suitable archive. Can anyone suggest
anywhere?
Cheers,
Fred McCormick.
I am working on a children's clapping rhyme, with mostly nonsense words, which hit British playgrounds about 1965, called Om Pom Pay (or similar). The Opies (Singing Game) give the following round as the likely origin, which they say was sung at Holiday Fellowship activities just before WW1:
Hi politi politaska, polita, polito
Hi politi politaska, polita, polito
O Nicodemus – O Sara numper
O Nicodemusss, Sara – numper, umper, umper
The Fellowhip was only founded in 1913, and the song doesn't appear in the two editions of their songbook that I have (1931 & 1935), nor can I find it anywhere else. I'm aware that songs like these were often found in a number of organisations, so I wonder if anyone recognises this from Scouts, Guides, or other such organisation.
If you are within travelling distance of Huddersfield UK, Chris Coe is
directing a show on Monday and Tuesday this week (14th/15th December) based
on the ballad 'The Wife of Usher's Well'.
This experimental show is a soundscape telling of the story where the
audience is blindfold and the experience is delivered entirely by live sound
effects and singing. (Note: there is no physical contact and the audience of
30 are cared for). The cast is second year drama undergraduates.
It takes place at Studio 2 in Huddersfield University's Milton Building,
home of the Drama department.
Mon 14th 7:30pm and 8:30pm
Tues 15th 8:15pm and 9:15pm
School of Music, Humanities and Media,
Milton Building,
The University of Huddersfield,
Queensgate,
Huddersfield,
HD1 3DH.
Miltonboxoffice@...
‘Thomas Hardy’s “The Fiddler of the Reels” and musical folklore’. The Thomas Hardy Journal, 15 (2) (May 1999), 72-81.
Apologies if this ref is already known (or not worth reading), I am
clearing out some refs at present.
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Mag. Stephen Miller
Austrian Academy of Sciences,
Centre for Cultural Research,
Sonnenfelsgasse 19/8, A-1010 Wien, Austria.
Hi folks,
Just to let everybody know, that the December 2009 edition of Worlds of Trad
Internet radio – a Christmas Special no less - is now uploaded and bringing
festive melodies and cheer from every part of the globe. You can pick the
programme up by going straight to the station player at
http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/mini.cgi?station_name=oneworldmusic&tm=7011 .
On the other hand, you can bring up the station page first. Click on
http://www.live365.com/stations/oneworldmusic . Then click the yellow PLAY
button. Then, if you press the green button to the right, you can save Worlds of
Trad as a preset. That will save you having to search the next time you listen
in.
You can check the complete playlist at
http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/mini.cgi?station_name=oneworldmusic&tm=7011%20.&f\
rom=rma .
This month The Stanley Brothers, Lord Executor and Jesse Thomas regale us with
various seasonal salutations; Will Atkinson, Willy Taylor, Joe Hutton, Ola Belle
Reed, a bunch of Yorkshire Carollers and Fred Jordan remind us that Christmas
wouldn't be Christmas without a few shepherds and the gift of a lamb or two;
Leroy Carr, The Allen Brothers and Bukka White opine that that Christmas is a
rotten time to be stuck in jail; Jackie Daly, Micho Russell and Jean Ritchie
play us a Christmas tune or two; and there's a gorgeous version of the Dilly
Song from The Marshall Family.
We continue to celebrate Topic's 70th birthday, and this month recall some of
Topic's fabulous output from the 1970s and `80s. Just imagine how dull life
would have been without Songs of a Donegal Man, Music From Sliabh Luachra, The
Silver Bow, Folk Music of Yugoslavia, The Music of Cape Breton, The Broomfield
Wager, and Memories of Sligo!
The record companies have made sure Christmas has come early, and we sample some
new CDs from Len Graham, Ewan MacColl and The Red Fox Chasers. We also visit
some early, and some not so early T Bone Walker; and Sidney Bechet and Naftule
Brandwein battle it out for the title King of the Clarinet.
We bid a sad and fond farewell to Bess Lomax Hawes, who died recently aged 88,
and we recall some of her collecting work with the fiddler Emmett Lundy.
Then, just when it looked as though things couldn't get any crazier, we're
invited on a pilgrimage by a bunch of Rajasthani musicians. Thanks fellas but
we've got one of our own, all the way to Manger Square in Bethlehem.
Happy Listenings,
Fred McCormick.
Fredlive365@... .
This from the NZ Folk Music Mailing List:
Dear Friends,
Liam Clancy, the last of the legendary group the Clancy Brothers, peacefully
passed away a few hours ago in the Dublin hospital which he re-entered about ten
days ago. His Pulmonary Fibrosis greatly weakened his heart, and with the
failure of both his lungs and heart his body just couldn't continue on.
I remember speaking to him on the phone some months ago, when he was
explaining to me that he had the same disease Odetta had. And. . . he has now
passed away one year and two days after that of his dear friend of more than
fifty years (Odetta was his first date when he arrived in New York in 1956 : )
). I am so thankful that he didn't have to suffer with this disease for so many
years as Odetta had to, and that we were able to see him just seventeen months
ago at the Bitter End so full of vitality, vim and vinegar. That night, with
the cameras rolling and with the assistance of Odetta, Tom Paxton, Eric Bibb,
the ever-wobbly Shane McGowen, plus two of Ireland's great young artists, he was
like a 30 year young lion on stage, with so much energy and a powerful voice,
countered by his memorizing delivery of poetry and verse between songs that was
equal to the greatest of Irish actors of the ages (of which he certainly was
one). He was one of a kind.
I have no doubt that his brothers and Tommy have been waiting in
anticipation for his arrival and that they're all singing up a rousing storm as
I am writing you now.
God Bless Liam,
Doug
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Does anyone have a run of the Bristol Folk News from the 1970s?
I have a reference to an article on childlore in Bristol Folk News 19 (Spring 1978), but I have found (in VWML with Peta's help) Bob Patten's 'Riddles and Rhymes and Things' in BFN 19 (Spring 1977). Is this simply a mistake in my reference, or was there another piece in 1978? (VWML's run stops in 1977).
On this same topic, local folk magazines regularly included pieces on children's lore over the years, and I would be pleased to hear about any that Tradsongers have written or know about.
I thought it might be worth mentioning for the benefit of anyone going to
Haddenham Festival this weekend (5th January) that Ralph Jordan and I will be
presenting the last outing this year of our show "Listen and You Shall Hear"
there on Saturday evening. The show is a mix of songs,tunes and spoken word, and
covers some of the principle features of the life and work of Lucy
Broadwood,founder member of the Folk-Song Society in 1898, researcher and song
collector, mentor and influence on many classical musicians, and fellow
collectors who were to come after her. If you want to find out a little more
about this interesting (and important) lady then we'd love to see you there.
Folklife Traditions Directory 2009 was published in August (36 A5 pages, just 3 pounds posted UK), and an online version (PDF) is now available at http://ftdir.folklife-west.org.uk Updates and additions (free!) are welcome at any time and will be published in our twice-yearly Folklife West Journal (FWJ). For the late-Dec FWJ, the deadline is Mon 7 Dec.
Very straightforward - just send your name, up to 40 words details, contact details, after having a look at online PDF. UK based but not restricted to UK.
Listings categories are detailed below.
Sam Simmons, for Folklife West volunteershttp://www.folklife-west.org.uk FOLKLIFE ORGANISATIONS Associations, Societies, Trusts Folk Music, Song & Dance: national; regional & local; Folk Music organisations; Folk Song organisations; Folk Dance organisations; Folk Drama organisations; Folk Life generally organisations; Folk Life specific groups; Folklore organisations; Storytelling organisations; Oral History organisations; Language & Dialect organisations. Yahoo web siscussion groups are under appropriate category. FOLKLIFE STUDIES (Folk Media generally, & Folk Performers: Education, are in our Folk West Directory). Folklife Researchers; Folklife Lecturers/Speakers/Workshop Leaders; Folklife Archives; Folklife Museums; Folklife Libraries; Folklife Studies: Academic Courses & Research (Undergraduate or higher level); Folklife Booksellers & Publishers (Books, Journals, Recordings, Internet). LOCAL SEASONAL CALENDAR CELEBRATIONS, listings & photos mainly from Doc Rowe, in Diary format. Other contributions most welcome. (ends)
Folklife West Journal (FWJ) No.4 (Dec 09) delayed, mainly due to
webserver closing down! (all webpages have now been transferred). We
have been unable to let you know earlier re deadlines. For those who have time:emailed material can be accepted up till Mon 7 Dec (earlier if possible), publication 23 Dec 09. Otherwise, next deadline 1 May 2010 for June 2010.
FWJ4 will include Roy Palmer's 4rd article on Worcestershire Printers: The Ballad Printers of Worcester 4. Richard Houghton.
FWJ, published twice-yearly, welcomes researched articles and songs,
news/dates adverts and editorial (folklife organisations, folklife
studies, researchers, publications, conferences, workshops).
Member-listings are in FWJ and online. Some articles and news items are
downloadable as PDFs, from the FWJ webpage http://journal.folklife-west.org.uk
English Dance & Song
The Winter 2009 issue has just been published.
This issue includes a full list of 150 Folk Festivals in 2010, which is also
available on the website www.efdss.org/festivals.html
The Singer, Song and Source feature is Bella Hardy, whose song ‘All in the
Morning’ is from her latest CD, In the Shadow of Mountains. The song is from
Derbyshire’s Castleton Carol Tradition, which Ian Russell writes about in
The Source.
Continuing the seasonal theme, there’s a feature on The Drayton Wassail song
custom from Somerset, which Cecil Sharp visited a hundred years ago. And
news of the re-publication of Percy Maylam’s book about The Hooden Horse of
Kent.
In Never on Sunday in Widecombe, Rollo Woods examines a unique manuscript
collection of tunes from the famous village in Dartmoor, Devon.
There’s a feature on the remarkable dance and music group, The Fosbrooks,
from Stockport in Cheshire: The Fosbrooks Phenomenon.
Fellside Recordings are the latest in our series on independent record
labels.
There’s a feature on the EFDSS’s latest publication, The Fallibroome
Collection, a new edition, by Nic Broadbridge, of Bernard Bentley’s classic
collection of English country dances.
EFDSS Education Director, Rachel Elliott, writes on the Take 6 Education
Project.
We also celebrate Library Director, Malcolm Taylor’s 30 years at the EFDSS,
and the continuing party for Cecil Sharp’s 150th birthday.
Plus all the regular features – festive round-up, news, reviews and dance
events.
Visit http://eds.efdss.org to hear ‘All in the Morning’ sung by Bella Hardy,
and to hear
‘The Drayton Wassail’ sung by the Wassailers in January 2009, recorded by
Bob Patten.
The website also has a list of the advertisers in the Winter 2009 issue.
The magazine is free to members of the English Folk Dance and Song Society:
individual copies are Ł2.50.
David Atkinson has asked me to send on the following announcement and call for papers for a conference to be held in Germany next year. The outline is as follows:
Celebrating Scot(t)s Voices
An International Conference in Honour of
Mrs Brown of Falkland (1747-1810)
This international conference will take place at the old Castle of Schönburg near the enchanted rock of
the Loreley in the Rhine valley. It is to mark the bicentenary of the death of Anna Gordon, Mrs Brown of
Falkland, in 1810 and the publication of her ballad repertoire in 2010. Her ballads were edited by “Monk”
Lewis in his
Tales of Wonder (1801), Walter Scott in his Minstrelsy of the Scottish Border (1802-03) and
Robert Jamieson in his
Popular Ballads (1806). She is only one of the many women at the end of the
eighteenth and the beginning of the nineteenth century who were, until now, not heard in their own
voices. We would therefore like to invite papers that recover Scottish voices from that period in general
and voices lost in Scott’s
Minstrelsy of the Scottish Border in particular. The main themes of the
conference will be Mrs Brown of Falkland and Scott’s
Minstrelsy of the Scottish Border, and papers are
welcome that deal with . . .
Scottish culture and identity around 1800
Ballad Singing, Collecting, Editing around 1800
German and Danish Translations of Scott’s Minstrelsy
Scottish voices from America, Denmark, Latvia ...
Medievalism in the Romantic period
Gothic ballads / novels (esp. Mrs Brown and Monk Lewis)
Historical ballads / novels (esp. Walter Scott)
Cultural Memory of the Scottish Border
Women and Music in Scotland around 1800
. . . and other papers that have a clear connection to the two themes of the conference.
Please send an abstract of no more than 300 words to the organizer by 31 January 2010.
The Conference will take place 9 - 12 September 2010 and is organised by the Johannes Gutenberg University, Mainz. The contact is Dr. Sigrid Rieuwerts
(Scotland@...)
Sounds like fun! I have attached the attractive conference flyer for you to print out - though if you are reading this in Tradsong rather than a direct mailing you won't of course, be able to see it.
Regards
Martin
The Traditional Song Forum
Martin Graebe (Secretary) 100, Cheltenham Road Gloucester GL2 0LX
This is a good thought and thank you for suggesting it. I suspect it is a step too far for 2010 - we haven't got ourselves organised to cross the Irish Sea yet, let alone the Atlantic. But I would certainly not rule out the possibility of TSF contributing in some way to the New York Eisteddfod. At present we only have one member in the region (Heather Wood) - but with your interest I feel that an acorn has been planted.
I'll give this some thought, talk to my colleagues in TSF and will write to you off-line
Best wishes
Martin
The Traditional Song Forum
Martin Graebe (Secretary) 100, Cheltenham Road Gloucester GL2 0LX
Tel: 01452 523861
Web: www.tradsong.org
From: Jerome Epstein <jerepst@...> To: Tradsong@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 9 November, 2009 19:15:55 Subject: [Tradsong] Re:TSF - Potential meeting in Dublin - How about in the US?
responding to Martin Graebe:
I wonder if there would be interest in a meeting of the group in the US? I would be happy to help organize it, and would suggest that a possible time and location would be in conjunction with next year's Eisteddfod Festival of Traditional Music in Upstate New York. . . probably second half of October.
The festival has tried each year to have something of a folkloric and oral history track, this past October a rather substantial one, so it would fit right in, and the music at the event is quite stunning.
responding to Martin Graebe:
I wonder if there would be interest in a meeting of the group in the US?
I would be happy to help organize it, and would suggest that a possible
time and location would be in conjunction with next year's Eisteddfod
Festival of Traditional Music in Upstate New York. . . probably second
half of October.
The festival has tried each year to have something of a folkloric and
oral history track, this past October a rather substantial one, so it
would fit right in, and the music at the event is quite stunning.
Jerry Epstein
Those of you who were at the recent TSF meeting in London (10th Oct) will know that we are contemplating organising a meeting in Dublin next year. The plan is to meet at the Irish Traditional Music Archive (ITMA) in Merrion Square. The focus for the presentations will be on Irish traditional song in the English language and related topics. We already have agreement in principle from Nicholas Carolan to talk about the work of ITMA and John Moulden and Jerry O'Reilly have also agreed to make presentations. We will also be approaching other speakers. There will, of course, be an opportunity to see the ITMA facilities. Because of the distances involved we expect to make a weekend (Friday evening to Sunday afternoon) of it and offer additional 'experiences'. On Friday night the An Goilin Singers Club meets and we would be able to join them for their mix of song and stout. The meeting would occupy
most of the day on the Saturday but Jerry has offered to arrange a traditional pub session in the evening. On Sunday morning, we will arrange a walking tour round central Dublin, looking at key sites of interest. But, of course, Dublin is a great place to be and, apart from the meeting, you might want to head off to enjoy the local culture.
Travel and accommodation would, of course, be up to individuals to arrange but we would do our best to help. Travel by train and boat is still relatively cheap ( see http://www.seat61.com/Ireland.htm ) and, if we can set a date in good time, it may be possible to get cheap air fares. And, of course, a car-full of people can get over even more cheaply. Accommodation is a bit more problematic, since Dublin has some of the highest hotel tariffs in Europe. Our friends locally hope, though, to find a way to keep the costs as low as possible, if we can come up with a group deal.
Timing of the meeting is not fixed but we are thinking of either late June/early July or September next year.
This could be a very interesting and a very enjoyable meeting. The interplay of songs between the nations of this group of islands is a fascinating topic and one that it will be fascinating to explore. Dublin is a fascinating city and there is so much to discover and to learn - no matter how many times you have been there. At this stage what I would like to hear if this is an opportunity that interests you. I do not need a firm commitment but I would like to get some idea of how many people might turn up before I, and our friends in Ireland, put a lot of effort into organising the meeting. Please let me know what you think. If you have an upper limit of what you would be prepared to spend on accommodation, that would be useful to know.
I'll look forward to hearing from you
Martin
The Traditional Song Forum
Martin Graebe (Secretary) 100, Cheltenham Road Gloucester GL2 0LX