A few thoughts on this Veterns' Day:

- Home is our world, our life

- Peace is what we teach, a place for us all to reach
               - from Homeworld (The Ladder), Yes

A brief report on my presentation entitled "Secular Spirituality as expressed by the musical group Yes" on Oct. 19^th at Unity Church of Peoria IL:

What an honor and privilege it was for me to learn about our (my) own INdigenous spiritual identity in relation to a hologram (which says that "the part is the whole and the whole is the part") and Democracy (which says our born/inherent citizenship is "self-evident") while teaching others – all within the exciting, sacred, and loving atmosphere of Yes music!

My sampled selections were "Your Move" ("This heartfelt song also draws our attention to the Divine by saying that God is "in time with your time"), "We Have Heaven" (I share my own personal experience and how I saw that this music believed that it is natural for us to gratefully feel and express a love for our self and for ALL life), "I Get Up, I Get Down" (from "Close To The Edge," in which I ask "Is it possible that both our humanity and divinity do in fact already live together?), "Awaken" ( "Containing a sublime blend of both Eastern and Western spirituality, I believe that within this next song abides the Presence of the Divine."), "The Revealing Science Of God" (in which I state that the album "Tales From Topographic Oceans" is one of Yes's pinnacle spiritual expressions, and "Turn Around And Remember" ("Like a sprout pushing up through the concrete, you ARE standing on sacred ground!").

This was the largest, attentive, and most responsive group that I've given to yet! They received my ideas on secular spirituality and Yes music whole-heartedly. When done, those people applauded and would not stop! Wow!

I asked a donation for the church for allowing me to do this, but it was made clear to me that everybody wanted the money to go to me. This was an experience that reflected on God because I continuously gave it over to Him – for the good of All. The main topic of the presentation, and Yes music, was far too big for me! For, those people, and myself, deserve the quality of love that only God can give.

At the end I said, "I hope the innate spirituality of the music of Yes has inspired you a little?"

Mark

----- Original Message -----

From: guy_95037

To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 9:49 AM

Subject: [WeHaveHeaven] Turn of the Century

OK. I little while ago I said I had a yesstory to relate. I have told
this before on Soundchaser, so it might sound familiar.

Turn of the Century from Going For The One (GFTO) has a special place
for me.

When the GFTO album came out in 1977, I had a tight group of friends.
We had just graduated from high school. My best friend, Ormonde, and
his girlfriend, Becky, were soulmates. We had all survived high
school together, played in bands together, etc. Ormonde and Becky did
everything together, especially listen to music. They were totally
INTO GFTO. They made "parallel" photos of each other and called
them "Parallels." You get the idea. They had a deepness, a soul
connection, that was unusual for 19-year-olds. You could feel they
were meant to be together.

Well, anyway. Becky was killed in a car crash in 1980. Ormonde was
driving. It was no fault of his. It was a one-car crash. They hit a
slick spot on a wet road. He walked away without a scratch.

Art and music meant a lot to them. He was a photographer, she a
graphic artist. He photographed her endlessly. She encorporated him
into her art.

Ever since her death, it is hard for me to listen to this song
without thinking of Becky and what might have been. It is a beautiful
and inspired song, musically and lyrically. I love it, but I don't
listen to it often because it gets me all choked up.

Well, just thought I'd share that. Yessongs affect us all differently
and we each tie them to the times in our lives in special ways.  Even
though she died 25 years ago, I still think of her; she is still here
with me/us in a way.

Guy

----- Original Message -----

From: Tammy

To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 2:50 PM

Subject: [WeHaveHeaven] Re: Katrina 2

Hi Mark,

Well said, friend.  We are ONE!  We are all connected, how can we not
be, right?  And it's this connection that will get everyone through it
and just where they/we should be.  All this reminds me of the song,
From a Distance.  I think Bette sang it, but I like it best from Nancy
Griffith.  I think it was a Julie Gold song...but it doens't matter,
it's touching all the same.  :-)

Love,
Tammy


--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Smith" <dimension05@s...>
wrote:
>     I just watched a news cast. There really isn't a whole lot one
> can say, or should say.
>     A guy on CNN said that "Ground Zero on 911 took months to clean
> up, but this will take a lot longer, (and that) you have to
remember
> that a major US city has been evacuated and totally devastated"
(not
> to mention Mississippi). So, we're talkin' about a lot, lot bigger
> area than Ground Zero. (Of course, I don't mean to minimize to
> tragedy of 911.)
>     The thing that is crossing my mind right now is that, if we
> embrace the idea/feeling that we are WHOLE (we are the whole seen
and
> unseen universe - hang in there!), then you and I ARE those people
in
> the Gulf Regions! WE ARE those people devastated by hurricane
> Katrina! The "Wholeness Model" is a very compassionate mindframe.
And
> God knows we need compassion in the mind!
>     Yet, within this "Wholeness Model," even this catastrophy is
one
> point of view. A different way to say it is, in the mind of God
this
> catastrophy is simply one speck. Yet going even further, this
"point-
> of-view" within the "Wholeness Model" does not minimize the
hugeness
> of the situation in New Orleans (etc.) and peoples needs - by its
> very definition. For (in this Wholeness) every single event, every
> single person, every single thing, is the CENTER!
>     Very cool! But very difficult for the mind to grasp!
>
>     Whatever, my point-of-view is valid yes, but is only one
point-of-
> view within the Whole.
>
>     Katrina is very humbling.
>
> Mark

Hi Mark,

Well said, friend.  We are ONE!  We are all connected, how can we not
be, right?  And it's this connection that will get everyone through it
and just where they/we should be.  All this reminds me of the song,
From a Distance.  I think Bette sang it, but I like it best from Nancy
Griffith.  I think it was a Julie Gold song...but it doens't matter,
it's touching all the same.  :-)

Love,
Tammy


--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Smith" <dimension05@s...>
wrote:
>     I just watched a news cast. There really isn't a whole lot one
> can say, or should say.
>     A guy on CNN said that "Ground Zero on 911 took months to clean
> up, but this will take a lot longer, (and that) you have to
remember
> that a major US city has been evacuated and totally devastated"
(not
> to mention Mississippi). So, we're talkin' about a lot, lot bigger
> area than Ground Zero. (Of course, I don't mean to minimize to
> tragedy of 911.)
>     The thing that is crossing my mind right now is that, if we
> embrace the idea/feeling that we are WHOLE (we are the whole seen
and
> unseen universe - hang in there!), then you and I ARE those people
in
> the Gulf Regions! WE ARE those people devastated by hurricane
> Katrina! The "Wholeness Model" is a very compassionate mindframe.
And
> God knows we need compassion in the mind!
>     Yet, within this "Wholeness Model," even this catastrophy is
one
> point of view. A different way to say it is, in the mind of God
this
> catastrophy is simply one speck. Yet going even further, this
"point-
> of-view" within the "Wholeness Model" does not minimize the
hugeness
> of the situation in New Orleans (etc.) and peoples needs - by its
> very definition. For (in this Wholeness) every single event, every
> single person, every single thing, is the CENTER!
>     Very cool! But very difficult for the mind to grasp!
>
>     Whatever, my point-of-view is valid yes, but is only one
point-of-
> view within the Whole.
>
>     Katrina is very humbling.
>
> Mark

Hi Guy,

Thank you for sharing, Guy.  This touched a part of me that I just
can't explain.  You wrote it in such a way that put me among your
friends and I think I got a little glimpse of their special union.

Sincerely,
Tammy


--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "guy_95037" <guy_08023@y...>
wrote:
> OK. I little while ago I said I had a yesstory to relate. I have
told
> this before on Soundchaser, so it might sound familiar.
>
> Turn of the Century from Going For The One (GFTO) has a special
place
> for me.
>
> When the GFTO album came out in 1977, I had a tight group of
friends.
> We had just graduated from high school. My best friend, Ormonde,
and
> his girlfriend, Becky, were soulmates. We had all survived high
> school together, played in bands together, etc. Ormonde and Becky
did
> everything together, especially listen to music. They were totally
> INTO GFTO. They made "parallel" photos of each other and called
> them "Parallels." You get the idea. They had a deepness, a soul
> connection, that was unusual for 19-year-olds. You could feel they
> were meant to be together.
>
> Well, anyway. Becky was killed in a car crash in 1980. Ormonde was
> driving. It was no fault of his. It was a one-car crash. They hit a
> slick spot on a wet road. He walked away without a scratch.
>
> Art and music meant a lot to them. He was a photographer, she a
> graphic artist. He photographed her endlessly. She encorporated him
> into her art.
>
> Ever since her death, it is hard for me to listen to this song
> without thinking of Becky and what might have been. It is a
beautiful
> and inspired song, musically and lyrically. I love it, but I don't
> listen to it often because it gets me all choked up.
>
> Well, just thought I'd share that. Yessongs affect us all
differently
> and we each tie them to the times in our lives in special ways.
Even
> though she died 25 years ago, I still think of her; she is still
here
> with me/us in a way.
>
> Guy

OK. I little while ago I said I had a yesstory to relate. I have told
this before on Soundchaser, so it might sound familiar.

Turn of the Century from Going For The One (GFTO) has a special place
for me.

When the GFTO album came out in 1977, I had a tight group of friends.
We had just graduated from high school. My best friend, Ormonde, and
his girlfriend, Becky, were soulmates. We had all survived high
school together, played in bands together, etc. Ormonde and Becky did
everything together, especially listen to music. They were totally
INTO GFTO. They made "parallel" photos of each other and called
them "Parallels." You get the idea. They had a deepness, a soul
connection, that was unusual for 19-year-olds. You could feel they
were meant to be together.

Well, anyway. Becky was killed in a car crash in 1980. Ormonde was
driving. It was no fault of his. It was a one-car crash. They hit a
slick spot on a wet road. He walked away without a scratch.

Art and music meant a lot to them. He was a photographer, she a
graphic artist. He photographed her endlessly. She encorporated him
into her art.

Ever since her death, it is hard for me to listen to this song
without thinking of Becky and what might have been. It is a beautiful
and inspired song, musically and lyrically. I love it, but I don't
listen to it often because it gets me all choked up.

Well, just thought I'd share that. Yessongs affect us all differently
and we each tie them to the times in our lives in special ways.  Even
though she died 25 years ago, I still think of her; she is still here
with me/us in a way.

Guy

I just watched a news cast. There really isn't a whole lot one
can say, or should say.
     A guy on CNN said that "Ground Zero on 911 took months to clean
up, but this will take a lot longer, (and that) you have to remember
that a major US city has been evacuated and totally devastated" (not
to mention Mississippi). So, we're talkin' about a lot, lot bigger
area than Ground Zero. (Of course, I don't mean to minimize to
tragedy of 911.)
     The thing that is crossing my mind right now is that, if we
embrace the idea/feeling that we are WHOLE (we are the whole seen and
unseen universe - hang in there!), then you and I ARE those people in
the Gulf Regions! WE ARE those people devastated by hurricane
Katrina! The "Wholeness Model" is a very compassionate mindframe. And
God knows we need compassion in the mind!
     Yet, within this "Wholeness Model," even this catastrophy is one
point of view. A different way to say it is, in the mind of God this
catastrophy is simply one speck. Yet going even further, this "point-
of-view" within the "Wholeness Model" does not minimize the hugeness
of the situation in New Orleans (etc.) and peoples needs - by its
very definition. For (in this Wholeness) every single event, every
single person, every single thing, is the CENTER!
     Very cool! But very difficult for the mind to grasp!

     Whatever, my point-of-view is valid yes, but is only one point-of-
view within the Whole.

     Katrina is very humbling.

Mark

Prayer -
Dear God, Dear Love, Dear Larger and Loving Intelligence,
     This is way too big for any of us. Wherever your dear people are
in Louisiana, You are. I place all the millions of souls in those
Southern Coastal regiens into Your hands, knowing that they are
deserving of all good things. I pray that they may truly feel Your
Presence deep within them. I am truly grateful that You are really
in charge. Amen.

----- Original Message -----

From: guy_95037

To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:12 PM

Subject: [WeHaveHeaven] Re: "The only thing I need I already have."

A few thoughts:

I have always thought or wondered if we do "make our own heaven."  In
Minddrive from KEYS, Jon sings "We get the heaven we need.."  Every
religion has its own version of heaven or the afterlife. Some are
contradictory, most say only "we" get in; only if you believe like
us.  So, here's a thought: what if we do "get the heaven we
need/make?"  If we believe in a heaven, then that is what it will be
like for us. If we don't, then we get nothing; no afterlife.  It is
one way of looking at it.

Guy

-- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Smith" <dimension05@s...>
wrote:
> Greetings All,
>     I feel inspired to share a thought.
>     I debated in my mind as to whether it would be on or off topic
> for this group. Eventhough it is not about Yes music specifically
it
> does include Jon Anderson, and is about spirituality. Being that
this
> group is about integrating Yesfans and spiritual seekers and what I
> wish to share leans more toward the spiritual, I decided it would
be
> appropriate after all.
>     I recently heard a song in which Jon is the guest singer,
singing
> on the chorus. The lyrics are "The only thing I need I already
have."
> Later in the song the lyrics are "All that I need I already have
it."
>     From my point of view, those lyrics are another version of the
> idea - we have heaven! Our innate spirituality is closer to us than
> we think! Out dualistic minds cannot conceive, and our dualistic
> words cannot express, the kind of "closeness" these lyrics imply.
> Therefore, they can only point in a direction of a "closeness" that
> is beyond words. I think some very good "pointing words" we have
> available to us are "Heaven is within" and "We Have Heaven." The
very
> definition of "needing something" implies "I" lack and therefore I
> need to do something to fill that lack. A distance, a gap of time
and
> space then exists. "What I need I will get sometime in the future
but
> not now." (Actually, that gap of "off into the future" is quite
> comfortable to most of us, and is in keeping with what is
> authentically believed inside.)
>     Contrary to this gap between "myself and what I need and
> hopefully will get sometime in the future," is not another kind
> of "getting," but a having in this present moment. Hence, we HAVE
> Heaven. Thereby bringing a valuable "future" moment (Heaven) into
> this present moment now. For me, this switch in thinking helps to
> bring alive a spirituality that is a natural part of who I am and
> brings my spirituality down to earth.
>     I feel that a lot of people are fans of Yes, and specifically
Jon
> Anderson, because they (Yes, J.A.) have a down to earth kind of
> spirituality. And I feel that a lot of spiritual seekers are
> attracted to a natural and down to earth kind of spirituality as
well.
>     People need something that is real. The music of Yes is
something
> real, authentic, and meaningful. Spiritual seekers find books,
> websites, seminars, etc, that are real, authentic, and meaningful
> also.
>    
>     Perhaps the only thing we need - what is real, authentic, and
> meaningful - we already have?
>
> Mark
>
> (My apologies for "preaching." I am not a preacher. But I am a
human
> being. And so are you. That qualifies all of us to preach if we
want
> to, in my book.)

----- Original Message -----

From: guy_95037

To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:08 PM

Subject: [WeHaveHeaven] Re: We Have Heaven and The Ladder...Olias

Mark,
I'm glad my suggestion led to your enjoyment of this album. My
favorite cut is Homeworld; one of the best yessongs in several
decades.

As far as "Can I?" goes, I agree; I like Fragile's We Have Heaven
much better. I think Jon's vocalizations in 'Can I' seem forced and
unnatural. WHH flows so organically. I have always loved the
overlapping vocals. I think it also previews what is to come in Jon's
solo album, Olias. 

So, here's another direction: have you heard Olias?

Guy

--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Smith" <dimension05@s...>
wrote:
> Guy!
>     I want to thank you so much for guiding me towards this
> album! It is a gem! A jewel! So clean! So happy!
>     There are several reasons as to why I've never gotton The
Ladder.
> One stands out. I prefer to give you that reason over email.
>     I agree, there are a lot of spiritual moments on this album.
And.
> you're right, "Nine Voices" is one of them. I actually used to play
> Tabla myself. Steve's guitar work is wonderfully reminiscent
of "Your
> Move." But, true to Yes, and true to progressive (living) music,
the
> guitar work is new, creative, and original.
>
>     It was so nice to hear Jon bringing forward the melody and
spirit
> of "We Have Heaven" in "Can I?" Once again, Jon has this gift of
> blending the "earth and the sky" that is both simple and
genius...the
> earth of the Aboriginal/Native/Indiginous sounds/voices, blending
> with the sky of We Have Heaven!
>     A presentation that I put together for the community (Yes and a
> secular spirituality) is all about this blending of "the earth and
> the sky." So, most likely I will be including it.
>
>     I've listened to "Can I?" several times now, and like all Yes
> music, it is growing on me. (Isn't amazing how their music grows on
> you NATURALLY, like a plant growing in the sun!) But, I must say
that
> I am partial to Fragile's "We Have Heaven." I grew up with that
song
> and it is special to me personally. I also feel that "We Have
Heaven"
> is more joyous, more expansive, and more visionary.
>     But "Can I?" definately brings forward that spirit for the
> younger generation.
>
>     I'm going to continue to soak up "The Ladder." I'm sure I will
be
> posting about more songs as I listen.
>     It is so refreshing for me to hear some new (for me) and
exciting
> Yes songs!
>
> Thanks Guy,
> Mark
>
>
> --- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "guy_95037" <guy_08023@y...>
> wrote:
> > Mark,
> > It is not an exact reprise. It is the forth cut on The Ladder and
> > called "Can I?"  I don't want to give an opinion on it because I
> want
> > to let others voice their own first.
> >
> > I can't believe you haven't heard The Ladder.  It was a milestone
> for
> > Yes as it was their first "yes-sounding," full-band release of
all
> > new material in quite a while.  My take on the album is this:
About
> > 25% excellent stuff, 50% pretty good, but not great; and 25%
> > unlistenable.  I think they were trying to please too many
people.
> > But having said that, I think that the first cut, Homeworld, is
one
> > of the best songs they ever made. Check it out. I think there is
> > plenty of "spiritual moments" on the album. Check out Nine Voices
> in
> > that regard.
> >
> > Guy

A few thoughts:

I have always thought or wondered if we do "make our own heaven."  In
Minddrive from KEYS, Jon sings "We get the heaven we need.."  Every
religion has its own version of heaven or the afterlife. Some are
contradictory, most say only "we" get in; only if you believe like
us.  So, here's a thought: what if we do "get the heaven we
need/make?"  If we believe in a heaven, then that is what it will be
like for us. If we don't, then we get nothing; no afterlife.  It is
one way of looking at it.

Guy

-- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Smith" <dimension05@s...>
wrote:
> Greetings All,
>     I feel inspired to share a thought.
>     I debated in my mind as to whether it would be on or off topic
> for this group. Eventhough it is not about Yes music specifically
it
> does include Jon Anderson, and is about spirituality. Being that
this
> group is about integrating Yesfans and spiritual seekers and what I
> wish to share leans more toward the spiritual, I decided it would
be
> appropriate after all.
>     I recently heard a song in which Jon is the guest singer,
singing
> on the chorus. The lyrics are "The only thing I need I already
have."
> Later in the song the lyrics are "All that I need I already have
it."
>     From my point of view, those lyrics are another version of the
> idea - we have heaven! Our innate spirituality is closer to us than
> we think! Out dualistic minds cannot conceive, and our dualistic
> words cannot express, the kind of "closeness" these lyrics imply.
> Therefore, they can only point in a direction of a "closeness" that
> is beyond words. I think some very good "pointing words" we have
> available to us are "Heaven is within" and "We Have Heaven." The
very
> definition of "needing something" implies "I" lack and therefore I
> need to do something to fill that lack. A distance, a gap of time
and
> space then exists. "What I need I will get sometime in the future
but
> not now." (Actually, that gap of "off into the future" is quite
> comfortable to most of us, and is in keeping with what is
> authentically believed inside.)
>     Contrary to this gap between "myself and what I need and
> hopefully will get sometime in the future," is not another kind
> of "getting," but a having in this present moment. Hence, we HAVE
> Heaven. Thereby bringing a valuable "future" moment (Heaven) into
> this present moment now. For me, this switch in thinking helps to
> bring alive a spirituality that is a natural part of who I am and
> brings my spirituality down to earth.
>     I feel that a lot of people are fans of Yes, and specifically
Jon
> Anderson, because they (Yes, J.A.) have a down to earth kind of
> spirituality. And I feel that a lot of spiritual seekers are
> attracted to a natural and down to earth kind of spirituality as
well.
>     People need something that is real. The music of Yes is
something
> real, authentic, and meaningful. Spiritual seekers find books,
> websites, seminars, etc, that are real, authentic, and meaningful
> also.
>
>     Perhaps the only thing we need - what is real, authentic, and
> meaningful - we already have?
>
> Mark
>
> (My apologies for "preaching." I am not a preacher. But I am a
human
> being. And so are you. That qualifies all of us to preach if we
want
> to, in my book.)

Mark,
I'm glad my suggestion led to your enjoyment of this album. My
favorite cut is Homeworld; one of the best yessongs in several
decades.

As far as "Can I?" goes, I agree; I like Fragile's We Have Heaven
much better. I think Jon's vocalizations in 'Can I' seem forced and
unnatural. WHH flows so organically. I have always loved the
overlapping vocals. I think it also previews what is to come in Jon's
solo album, Olias.

So, here's another direction: have you heard Olias?

Guy

--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Smith" <dimension05@s...>
wrote:
> Guy!
>     I want to thank you so much for guiding me towards this
> album! It is a gem! A jewel! So clean! So happy!
>     There are several reasons as to why I've never gotton The
Ladder.
> One stands out. I prefer to give you that reason over email.
>     I agree, there are a lot of spiritual moments on this album.
And.
> you're right, "Nine Voices" is one of them. I actually used to play
> Tabla myself. Steve's guitar work is wonderfully reminiscent
of "Your
> Move." But, true to Yes, and true to progressive (living) music,
the
> guitar work is new, creative, and original.
>
>     It was so nice to hear Jon bringing forward the melody and
spirit
> of "We Have Heaven" in "Can I?" Once again, Jon has this gift of
> blending the "earth and the sky" that is both simple and
genius...the
> earth of the Aboriginal/Native/Indiginous sounds/voices, blending
> with the sky of We Have Heaven!
>     A presentation that I put together for the community (Yes and a
> secular spirituality) is all about this blending of "the earth and
> the sky." So, most likely I will be including it.
>
>     I've listened to "Can I?" several times now, and like all Yes
> music, it is growing on me. (Isn't amazing how their music grows on
> you NATURALLY, like a plant growing in the sun!) But, I must say
that
> I am partial to Fragile's "We Have Heaven." I grew up with that
song
> and it is special to me personally. I also feel that "We Have
Heaven"
> is more joyous, more expansive, and more visionary.
>     But "Can I?" definately brings forward that spirit for the
> younger generation.
>
>     I'm going to continue to soak up "The Ladder." I'm sure I will
be
> posting about more songs as I listen.
>     It is so refreshing for me to hear some new (for me) and
exciting
> Yes songs!
>
> Thanks Guy,
> Mark
>
>
> --- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "guy_95037" <guy_08023@y...>
> wrote:
> > Mark,
> > It is not an exact reprise. It is the forth cut on The Ladder and
> > called "Can I?"  I don't want to give an opinion on it because I
> want
> > to let others voice their own first.
> >
> > I can't believe you haven't heard The Ladder.  It was a milestone
> for
> > Yes as it was their first "yes-sounding," full-band release of
all
> > new material in quite a while.  My take on the album is this:
About
> > 25% excellent stuff, 50% pretty good, but not great; and 25%
> > unlistenable.  I think they were trying to please too many
people.
> > But having said that, I think that the first cut, Homeworld, is
one
> > of the best songs they ever made. Check it out. I think there is
> > plenty of "spiritual moments" on the album. Check out Nine Voices
> in
> > that regard.
> >
> > Guy

Guy!
     I want to thank you so much for guiding me towards this
album! It is a gem! A jewel! So clean! So happy!
     There are several reasons as to why I've never gotton The Ladder.
One stands out. I prefer to give you that reason over email.
     I agree, there are a lot of spiritual moments on this album. And.
you're right, "Nine Voices" is one of them. I actually used to play
Tabla myself. Steve's guitar work is wonderfully reminiscent of "Your
Move." But, true to Yes, and true to progressive (living) music, the
guitar work is new, creative, and original.

     It was so nice to hear Jon bringing forward the melody and spirit
of "We Have Heaven" in "Can I?" Once again, Jon has this gift of
blending the "earth and the sky" that is both simple and genius...the
earth of the Aboriginal/Native/Indiginous sounds/voices, blending
with the sky of We Have Heaven!
     A presentation that I put together for the community (Yes and a
secular spirituality) is all about this blending of "the earth and
the sky." So, most likely I will be including it.

     I've listened to "Can I?" several times now, and like all Yes
music, it is growing on me. (Isn't amazing how their music grows on
you NATURALLY, like a plant growing in the sun!) But, I must say that
I am partial to Fragile's "We Have Heaven." I grew up with that song
and it is special to me personally. I also feel that "We Have Heaven"
is more joyous, more expansive, and more visionary.
     But "Can I?" definately brings forward that spirit for the
younger generation.

     I'm going to continue to soak up "The Ladder." I'm sure I will be
posting about more songs as I listen.
     It is so refreshing for me to hear some new (for me) and exciting
Yes songs!

Thanks Guy,
Mark


--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "guy_95037" <guy_08023@y...>
wrote:
> Mark,
> It is not an exact reprise. It is the forth cut on The Ladder and
> called "Can I?"  I don't want to give an opinion on it because I
want
> to let others voice their own first.
>
> I can't believe you haven't heard The Ladder.  It was a milestone
for
> Yes as it was their first "yes-sounding," full-band release of all
> new material in quite a while.  My take on the album is this: About
> 25% excellent stuff, 50% pretty good, but not great; and 25%
> unlistenable.  I think they were trying to please too many people.
> But having said that, I think that the first cut, Homeworld, is one
> of the best songs they ever made. Check it out. I think there is
> plenty of "spiritual moments" on the album. Check out Nine Voices
in
> that regard.
>
> Guy

Bookmarked it!!!  And I'm looking at the "I need do nothing" ACIM's
link you have there.  Bookmarked that and sent it to the gal I gave my
  copy to. :-)
Love,
Tammy


--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Smith" <dimension05@s...>
wrote:
> "Arriving UFO" -
>
> "There's got to be a linking of everyone
> Got to be a centre
> It all comes flooding back"
>
> Perhaps, everywhere and everywhen, you are the center? Perhaps
> every thing in the universe is the center?
> And perhaps, "You Are The Center Of All Links?"
> <a href=http://hcsvx.hcsi.com/mark/webdoc2links.html</a>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Tammy"
> <sirius_star_bright@y...> wrote:
> > Ah Ho, guess I'm gonna have to get "In The City Of Angels!"  LOL!!
> >
> > Thanks Mark!  You are just full of GREAT information!  And the UFO
> > stuff is right down my alley, as you know!  I've had a few sightings
> > myself, but nothing compared to Connie's.  :-)
> >
> > Love,
> > Tammy

"Arriving UFO" -

"There's got to be a linking of everyone
Got to be a centre
It all comes flooding back"

Perhaps, everywhere and everywhen, you are the center? Perhaps
every thing in the universe is the center?
And perhaps, "You Are The Center Of All Links?"
<a href=http://hcsvx.hcsi.com/mark/webdoc2links.html</a>

Mark






--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Tammy"
<sirius_star_bright@y...> wrote:
> Ah Ho, guess I'm gonna have to get "In The City Of Angels!"  LOL!!
>
> Thanks Mark!  You are just full of GREAT information!  And the UFO
> stuff is right down my alley, as you know!  I've had a few sightings
> myself, but nothing compared to Connie's.  :-)
>
> Love,
> Tammy

Greetings All,
     I feel inspired to share a thought.
     I debated in my mind as to whether it would be on or off topic
for this group. Eventhough it is not about Yes music specifically it
does include Jon Anderson, and is about spirituality. Being that this
group is about integrating Yesfans and spiritual seekers and what I
wish to share leans more toward the spiritual, I decided it would be
appropriate after all.
     I recently heard a song in which Jon is the guest singer, singing
on the chorus. The lyrics are "The only thing I need I already have."
Later in the song the lyrics are "All that I need I already have it."
     From my point of view, those lyrics are another version of the
idea - we have heaven! Our innate spirituality is closer to us than
we think! Out dualistic minds cannot conceive, and our dualistic
words cannot express, the kind of "closeness" these lyrics imply.
Therefore, they can only point in a direction of a "closeness" that
is beyond words. I think some very good "pointing words" we have
available to us are "Heaven is within" and "We Have Heaven." The very
definition of "needing something" implies "I" lack and therefore I
need to do something to fill that lack. A distance, a gap of time and
space then exists. "What I need I will get sometime in the future but
not now." (Actually, that gap of "off into the future" is quite
comfortable to most of us, and is in keeping with what is
authentically believed inside.)
     Contrary to this gap between "myself and what I need and
hopefully will get sometime in the future," is not another kind
of "getting," but a having in this present moment. Hence, we HAVE
Heaven. Thereby bringing a valuable "future" moment (Heaven) into
this present moment now. For me, this switch in thinking helps to
bring alive a spirituality that is a natural part of who I am and
brings my spirituality down to earth.
     I feel that a lot of people are fans of Yes, and specifically Jon
Anderson, because they (Yes, J.A.) have a down to earth kind of
spirituality. And I feel that a lot of spiritual seekers are
attracted to a natural and down to earth kind of spirituality as well.
     People need something that is real. The music of Yes is something
real, authentic, and meaningful. Spiritual seekers find books,
websites, seminars, etc, that are real, authentic, and meaningful
also.

     Perhaps the only thing we need - what is real, authentic, and
meaningful - we already have?

Mark

(My apologies for "preaching." I am not a preacher. But I am a human
being. And so are you. That qualifies all of us to preach if we want
to, in my book.)

Ah Ho, guess I'm gonna have to get "In The City Of Angels!"  LOL!!

Thanks Mark!  You are just full of GREAT information!  And the UFO
stuff is right down my alley, as you know!  I've had a few sightings
myself, but nothing compared to Connie's.  :-)

Love,
Tammy


--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Smith" <dimension05@s...>
wrote:
> Hi Tammy,
>     I forgot about this one. That actually didn't take you too long
to find it. If Yes music reminds you of what space sounds like, well
"Arriving UFO" would be a pinnacle song for you, wouldn't it?
>     When I first started dating Connie (my wife) "Tormato" was the
first Yes album she heard. (Connie has had numerous meaningful and
beautiful UFO experiences.)
>     On my copy of "9012Live" (I loaned it out, haven't seen it
since) it talks about when Yes were in Denver they saw fleets of UFOs.
(If somebody has the exact quote, please share). I'm sure there are
many, many more experiences that we do not know about. I believe I saw
an old Connecting Link magazine that featured Jon in which he talks
about the Pleiadians. (I don't know whether he had his own personal
experiences or talking about his beliefs.) Then there is his own
"Hurry Home (Song From The Pleiades)" piece from his "In The City Of
Angels" album.
>
> Namaste,
> Mark
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Tammy
>   To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:35 AM
>   Subject: [WeHaveHeaven] Arriving UFO/Anderson/Howe/Wakeman
>
>
>   Call me dense, but I just found this on the YES site.  Maybe all
my
>   association with space and starships and YES are from deeply
planted
>   memories of these songs that I don't really recognize now.....
>
>
>
>   Arriving UFO**
>   Anderson/Howe/Wakeman
>
>
>
>   I could not take it oh so seriously really
>   When you called and said you'd seen a UFO
>   But then it dawned on me the message in writing
>   Spelt out a meeting never dreamed of before
>
>   I looked out, in the night
>   Strange and startling
>   Was the voice of time just saying
>   There's got to be a linking of everyone
>   Got to be a centre
>   It all comes flooding back
>
>   Arriving thru the eons of times immortal power of the future to
behold
>   Vessels of a different impression, none that we could ever hope to
>   have known
>
>   So look out, in the night
>   Once they arrive
>   Oh that perennial light
>   Impress a bolder Empire of Energy
>   In the ships we see
>   The coming of outer space
>
>   You say there's no reason to conjure
>   With the force as it has been known to be seen
>   You say I'm a fool a believer
>   Put your feet on the earth it is green
>
>   But look out, in the night
>   Wait for they arrive
>   To start such sciences anew
>   Here it is the coming of outer space
>   Such a pure delight
>   The coming of outer space
>
>   ** ©1978 Topographic Music, Ltd. and Rondor Music, Ltd.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Tammy

To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:35 AM

Subject: [WeHaveHeaven] Arriving UFO/Anderson/Howe/Wakeman

Call me dense, but I just found this on the YES site.  Maybe all my
association with space and starships and YES are from deeply planted
memories of these songs that I don't really recognize now.....



Arriving UFO**
Anderson/Howe/Wakeman



I could not take it oh so seriously really
When you called and said you'd seen a UFO
But then it dawned on me the message in writing
Spelt out a meeting never dreamed of before

I looked out, in the night
Strange and startling
Was the voice of time just saying
There's got to be a linking of everyone
Got to be a centre
It all comes flooding back

Arriving thru the eons of times immortal power of the future to behold
Vessels of a different impression, none that we could ever hope to
have known

So look out, in the night
Once they arrive
Oh that perennial light
Impress a bolder Empire of Energy
In the ships we see
The coming of outer space

You say there's no reason to conjure
With the force as it has been known to be seen
You say I'm a fool a believer
Put your feet on the earth it is green

But look out, in the night
Wait for they arrive
To start such sciences anew
Here it is the coming of outer space
Such a pure delight
The coming of outer space

** ©1978 Topographic Music, Ltd. and Rondor Music, Ltd.

----- Original Message -----

From: guy_95037

To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:21 AM

Subject: [WeHaveHeaven] Re: We Have Heaven and The Ladder

Mark,
It is not an exact reprise. It is the forth cut on The Ladder and
called "Can I?"  I don't want to give an opinion on it because I want
to let others voice their own first.

I can't believe you haven't heard The Ladder.  It was a milestone for
Yes as it was their first "yes-sounding," full-band release of all
new material in quite a while.  My take on the album is this: About
25% excellent stuff, 50% pretty good, but not great; and 25%
unlistenable.  I think they were trying to please too many people.
But having said that, I think that the first cut, Homeworld, is one
of the best songs they ever made. Check it out. I think there is
plenty of "spiritual moments" on the album. Check out Nine Voices in
that regard.

Guy

--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Smith" <dimension05@s...>
wrote:
> Guy,
> I did not know it was even on there! I feel stupid! That is one
album
> I do not have. I'll have to check that out! Thanks for letting me
> know about it!
> You said it was a reprise, as in the "reprise" they did
on "Fragile"
> kind of thing, or is it just totally different?
>
> Mark
>
> --- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "guy_95037" <guy_08023@y...>
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I haven't posted here before so...
> >
> > Anyway,
> >
> > Mark,
> > you mentioned the song We Have Heaven (from Fragile). What do you
> > think of its reprise on The Ladder?
> >
> > Guy

Mark,
It is not an exact reprise. It is the forth cut on The Ladder and
called "Can I?"  I don't want to give an opinion on it because I want
to let others voice their own first.

I can't believe you haven't heard The Ladder.  It was a milestone for
Yes as it was their first "yes-sounding," full-band release of all
new material in quite a while.  My take on the album is this: About
25% excellent stuff, 50% pretty good, but not great; and 25%
unlistenable.  I think they were trying to please too many people.
But having said that, I think that the first cut, Homeworld, is one
of the best songs they ever made. Check it out. I think there is
plenty of "spiritual moments" on the album. Check out Nine Voices in
that regard.

Guy

--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Smith" <dimension05@s...>
wrote:
> Guy,
> I did not know it was even on there! I feel stupid! That is one
album
> I do not have. I'll have to check that out! Thanks for letting me
> know about it!
> You said it was a reprise, as in the "reprise" they did
on "Fragile"
> kind of thing, or is it just totally different?
>
> Mark
>
> --- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "guy_95037" <guy_08023@y...>
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I haven't posted here before so...
> >
> > Anyway,
> >
> > Mark,
> > you mentioned the song We Have Heaven (from Fragile). What do you
> > think of its reprise on The Ladder?
> >
> > Guy

Call me dense, but I just found this on the YES site.  Maybe all my
association with space and starships and YES are from deeply planted
memories of these songs that I don't really recognize now.....



Arriving UFO**
Anderson/Howe/Wakeman



I could not take it oh so seriously really
When you called and said you'd seen a UFO
But then it dawned on me the message in writing
Spelt out a meeting never dreamed of before

I looked out, in the night
Strange and startling
Was the voice of time just saying
There's got to be a linking of everyone
Got to be a centre
It all comes flooding back

Arriving thru the eons of times immortal power of the future to behold
Vessels of a different impression, none that we could ever hope to
have known

So look out, in the night
Once they arrive
Oh that perennial light
Impress a bolder Empire of Energy
In the ships we see
The coming of outer space

You say there's no reason to conjure
With the force as it has been known to be seen
You say I'm a fool a believer
Put your feet on the earth it is green

But look out, in the night
Wait for they arrive
To start such sciences anew
Here it is the coming of outer space
Such a pure delight
The coming of outer space

** ©1978 Topographic Music, Ltd. and Rondor Music, Ltd.

Hi Kimberley,

I'm so glad that there was Divine Intervention in your life and that
you saw it!  It's a bonus, imo, that it came from music. Very cool
that your children are exposed to YES!

Yes music reminds me of what perhaps "space" sounds like.  Visions of
Hubble telescope pictures come to mind while listening to it now a
days.  Kalidescope in earlier years........

I'm glad you shared your experience.  Sharing stories of the heart can
be a life saver, too.

Blessings,
Tammy


--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "squiresrickenbacker"
<squiresrickenbacker@y...> wrote:
>  I was introduced to YES music in 1984. I was a grocery clerk and
one
> night this guy came through my line and asked do you like music
have
> you heard of YES?  I hadn't so he let me listen for abit and I was
> hooked.  Little did I know that in the years to come it would save
my
> life.
>
> Time went by and I got married. To young I think looking back now.
> But a few weeks into the married life I found out I had made a
> dreadful mistake. As years went by my love of music, life and basic
> hope left. On one particular night after a really bad day I felt
> there was no reason to go on. I felt my mate hated me in the
actions
> he showed to me, I felt betrayed by my family for they seemed to
take
> his side and did nothing to  comfort me. So being a creature of
habit
> I can do nothing without music, I turn on some YES music and the
> 90125 vhs tape with the sound off. I had all I needed to end my
> misery and was just about to start when And You And I came on the
> tape where it goes and you and I go down the valley to the
river.....
> about that time they zoomed in on Chris's face and he had a look in
> his eyes and Jon's voice and suddenly I felt I wasn't alone that
life
> was worth living and I had a purpose. But at that moment I realized
I
> had a purpose and I had to do it. To this day I am not sure what my
> exact purpose is but I do know it has to do with music. I had bad
> days after that but when things seemed so dark I can see that look
on
> Chris's face and Jon's lyrics and the music so clearly and I know I
> can go on.
>
> I since have divorced and raising my two children alone,but they
are
> exposed to YES music constantly and they to are learning what a
> experience it is. I now have my love for music again and life is
> wonderful.
>
> When I finally get to meet YES and I say thank you, they may just
> think its just a fan saying the usual things, but I hope one day
they
> know that if there hadn't been YES and a song called And You And
> I ... theres a good chance I would not be here. So YES... Jon,
> Chris,Alan,Steve, Trevor, Rick and Tony   Thank you for the music
> that gives hope, inspiration,and brings divineness to my life and
> others.

Guy,
I did not know it was even on there! I feel stupid! That is one album
I do not have. I'll have to check that out! Thanks for letting me
know about it!
You said it was a reprise, as in the "reprise" they did on "Fragile"
kind of thing, or is it just totally different?

Mark

--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "guy_95037" <guy_08023@y...>
wrote:
> Hi all,
> I haven't posted here before so...
>
> Anyway,
>
> Mark,
> you mentioned the song We Have Heaven (from Fragile). What do you
> think of its reprise on The Ladder?
>
> Guy

Hi all,
I haven't posted here before so...

Anyway,

Mark,
you mentioned the song We Have Heaven (from Fragile). What do you
think of its reprise on The Ladder?

Guy

Dear Kimberly -
You must be one courageous soul! What a very moving story. I am very
glad that you are still here! And we are very grateful for your words!

Yes music has touched me too. The music has had quite an effect on
me. So it's nice to hear when their music effects someone else in a
meaningful way as well. I don't feel as alone either.

Wow! "Thank you for the music that gives hope, inspiration,and brings
divineness to my life and others." They'll see this somehow, someway!

That says it all...hope, inspiration, and divineness! The music gives
so much hope. I don't think they even know how much hope they spread.
Which is really a good thing. That way Yes are just instruments...
instruments for the good of all! And for the good of
the soul! (ok, ok, I hear you out there..."Soul Food." WELL, IT IS!)
Our souls NEED nurturing! Thank God there is music that is beyond the
grasp of our minds. In other words, a place were words cannot go. A
place were there is only music.

Inspiration - you can honestly say that Kimberly and mean it
because "inspire" is to breathe, to become alive, isn't it!

Sometimes I speak about the song "We Have Heaven" as blending the
Divine world with this earthly world and thereby bringing the
spiritual down to earth. And that from our human perspective, what we
percieve is either the Divine world or this earthly world. And that
Yes music sees this situation as the Divine world AND this earthly
world, transforming one into the other.

I think I can speak for this group when I say that, we are very glad
that you have your love of music back Kimberly!

Mark


--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "squiresrickenbacker"
<squiresrickenbacker@y...> wrote:
>  I was introduced to YES music in 1984. I was a grocery clerk and
one
> night this guy came through my line and asked do you like music
have
> you heard of YES?  I hadn't so he let me listen for abit and I was
> hooked.  Little did I know that in the years to come it would save
my
> life.
>
> Time went by and I got married. To young I think looking back now.
> But a few weeks into the married life I found out I had made a
> dreadful mistake. As years went by my love of music, life and basic
> hope left. On one particular night after a really bad day I felt
> there was no reason to go on. I felt my mate hated me in the
actions
> he showed to me, I felt betrayed by my family for they seemed to
take
> his side and did nothing to  comfort me. So being a creature of
habit
> I can do nothing without music, I turn on some YES music and the
> 90125 vhs tape with the sound off. I had all I needed to end my
> misery and was just about to start when And You And I came on the
> tape where it goes and you and I go down the valley to the
river.....
> about that time they zoomed in on Chris's face and he had a look in
> his eyes and Jon's voice and suddenly I felt I wasn't alone that
life
> was worth living and I had a purpose. But at that moment I realized
I
> had a purpose and I had to do it. To this day I am not sure what my
> exact purpose is but I do know it has to do with music. I had bad
> days after that but when things seemed so dark I can see that look
on
> Chris's face and Jon's lyrics and the music so clearly and I know I
> can go on.
>
> I since have divorced and raising my two children alone,but they
are
> exposed to YES music constantly and they to are learning what a
> experience it is. I now have my love for music again and life is
> wonderful.
>
> When I finally get to meet YES and I say thank you, they may just
> think its just a fan saying the usual things, but I hope one day
they
> know that if there hadn't been YES and a song called And You And
> I ... theres a good chance I would not be here. So YES... Jon,
> Chris,Alan,Steve, Trevor, Rick and Tony   Thank you for the music
> that gives hope, inspiration,and brings divineness to my life and
> others.

I was introduced to YES music in 1984. I was a grocery clerk and one
night this guy came through my line and asked do you like music have
you heard of YES?  I hadn't so he let me listen for abit and I was
hooked.  Little did I know that in the years to come it would save my
life.

Time went by and I got married. To young I think looking back now.
But a few weeks into the married life I found out I had made a
dreadful mistake. As years went by my love of music, life and basic
hope left. On one particular night after a really bad day I felt
there was no reason to go on. I felt my mate hated me in the actions
he showed to me, I felt betrayed by my family for they seemed to take
his side and did nothing to  comfort me. So being a creature of habit
I can do nothing without music, I turn on some YES music and the
90125 vhs tape with the sound off. I had all I needed to end my
misery and was just about to start when And You And I came on the
tape where it goes and you and I go down the valley to the river.....
about that time they zoomed in on Chris's face and he had a look in
his eyes and Jon's voice and suddenly I felt I wasn't alone that life
was worth living and I had a purpose. But at that moment I realized I
had a purpose and I had to do it. To this day I am not sure what my
exact purpose is but I do know it has to do with music. I had bad
days after that but when things seemed so dark I can see that look on
Chris's face and Jon's lyrics and the music so clearly and I know I
can go on.

I since have divorced and raising my two children alone,but they are
exposed to YES music constantly and they to are learning what a
experience it is. I now have my love for music again and life is
wonderful.

When I finally get to meet YES and I say thank you, they may just
think its just a fan saying the usual things, but I hope one day they
know that if there hadn't been YES and a song called And You And
I ... theres a good chance I would not be here. So YES... Jon,
Chris,Alan,Steve, Trevor, Rick and Tony   Thank you for the music
that gives hope, inspiration,and brings divineness to my life and
others.

So Tammy, you mean we are not going to drown in this ocean? (He said
with a smile and a very slight bit of sarcasm :) Seriously though,
yes, yes, yes, in the wave's equality they (we) ARE all free!!! The
waves are equal with all the other waves, AND all the different waves
are equal with the ocean too! (Is that TOO blasphemous?)

Are't those lyrics...mmmm. They're sacred!You don't want to ruin them
by adding more words!(But this forum is about words. We have a
paradox. It's been said that "when you are in the middle of a
paradox, you are close to the truth.")

Yep, I can tell you took those lyrics to work with you. Just like
Yes's music, this "Requiem for the Americas" by Jonathan Elias builds
to an emotional climax with "Far Far Cry." In my opinion, it is done
so well, so intelligently, so naturally.

I LOVE that song! I love to crank it in my headphones!(I AM in an
apartment afterall!)

Wholeographically,
Mark





--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Tammy"
<sirius_star_bright@y...> wrote:
> Knowing we are ONE really sets us FREE!
>
> "How long do we need to push our brother to the ocean
> How long do we need to push our sister to the sea
> How many broken promises until we get the message
> That until we know the EQUAL we will never feel the FREE!" --Requiem
> for the Americas--Yes [my caps]
>
> One heart beating...
> Tammy
>
>
>
>
> --- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Smith" <dimension05@s...>
> wrote:
> >     Let's visualize an ocean, and all the waves represent all the
> > different expressions of music, all the different religions and
> > denominations, all the different ideologies, and even all the
> > different kinds of people. A lot of these waves focus on how to
> deal
> > with the other waves, focusing on the surface.
> >
> >     Now let's pretend that just one of those waves is Yes music.
> > Here is a wave that points to the depths of the ocean...AND the
> > surface as well.
> >
> >     The music of Yes wave is unique in that it sees how a wave is
> the
> > ocean itself and is a natural part of the ocean. It sees how it
> > exists for a short time and then merges back into the ocean.
> >
> >         This kind of wave does not analyze it's existence in
> relation
> > to the ocean as if the wave were separate from the ocean. This
wave
> > not only *feels* connected to the ocean, but is *certain* -  in
an
> > unspoken kind of way -  certain that it is connected to the ocean.
> It
> > is certain that it is connected to all the other waves - certain
> that
> > it is connected to the deep - certain that it is connected to all
> the
> > living things in the ocean's depths - certain.
> >
> > "As armoured movers took approach to overlook the sea"
> >
> > "Now that you find, now that you're whole"

Knowing we are ONE really sets us FREE!

"How long do we need to push our brother to the ocean
How long do we need to push our sister to the sea
How many broken promises until we get the message
That until we know the EQUAL we will never feel the FREE!" --Requiem
for the Americas--Yes [my caps]

One heart beating...
Tammy




--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Smith" <dimension05@s...>
wrote:
>     Let's visualize an ocean, and all the waves represent all the
> different expressions of music, all the different religions and
> denominations, all the different ideologies, and even all the
> different kinds of people. A lot of these waves focus on how to
deal
> with the other waves, focusing on the surface.
>
>     Now let's pretend that just one of those waves is Yes music.
> Here is a wave that points to the depths of the ocean...AND the
> surface as well.
>
>     The music of Yes wave is unique in that it sees how a wave is
the
> ocean itself and is a natural part of the ocean. It sees how it
> exists for a short time and then merges back into the ocean.
>
>         This kind of wave does not analyze it's existence in
relation
> to the ocean as if the wave were separate from the ocean. This wave
> not only *feels* connected to the ocean, but is *certain* -  in an
> unspoken kind of way -  certain that it is connected to the ocean.
It
> is certain that it is connected to all the other waves - certain
that
> it is connected to the deep - certain that it is connected to all
the
> living things in the ocean's depths - certain.
>
> "As armoured movers took approach to overlook the sea"
>
> "Now that you find, now that you're whole"

Let's visualize an ocean, and all the waves represent all the
different expressions of music, all the different religions and
denominations, all the different ideologies, and even all the
different kinds of people. A lot of these waves focus on how to deal
with the other waves, focusing on the surface.

     Now let's pretend that just one of those waves is Yes music.
Here is a wave that points to the depths of the ocean...AND the
surface as well.

     The music of Yes wave is unique in that it sees how a wave is the
ocean itself and is a natural part of the ocean. It sees how it
exists for a short time and then merges back into the ocean.

         This kind of wave does not analyze it's existence in relation
to the ocean as if the wave were separate from the ocean. This wave
not only *feels* connected to the ocean, but is *certain* -  in an
unspoken kind of way -  certain that it is connected to the ocean. It
is certain that it is connected to all the other waves - certain that
it is connected to the deep - certain that it is connected to all the
living things in the ocean's depths - certain.

"As armoured movers took approach to overlook the sea"

"Now that you find, now that you're whole"