I created a profile with my pictures, videos, blog and events and I'd like to
add you as a friend to show this to you.

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LOL, I found a very funny picture and wanna know your opinion. Do u think this
picture is funny? Check the funny picture here:
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Oh My God, I just know that we have the same friend!!!!
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LOL, I found a very funny picture and wanna know your opinion. Do u think this
picture is funny? Check the funny picture here:
http://funnypicr.zoomshare.com/files/funny.htm

You are invited to join my social network, check my friends list here:
http://ttomcat.zoomshare.com/files/myphoto.htm

I want to meet you. Give me a chance! Click here to chat with me online:
http://mywqft.zoomshare.com/files/chat.htm

--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "matcheilffriends"
<matcheilffriends@...> wrote:
>
> LOL, I found a very funny picture and wanna know your opinion. Do u
think this picture is funny? Check the funny picture here:
> http://funnypiccs.zoomshare.com/files/funny.htm
>

And this relates to Yes how???
Mark

LOL, I found a very funny picture and wanna know your opinion. Do u think this
picture is funny? Check the funny picture here:
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I read your profile today, I thought I would drop you a line and hope to become
your friend! Check my personal page here:
http://grrtyjmv.bravehost.com

Hi Mark,
No problem. I am a big Genesis fan too.  Well, at
least from the Gabriel days up through Trick of the
Tail. After that they went spiraling down into pop
mediocrity, and vast popularity.

I go through cycles too. I go back and dig up the old
stuff; the Yes, Genesis, Allman Bros, Budgie, etc.
Sometimes I go through an instrumental/orchestral
phase. I just started exploring Mahler's 8th Symphony,
and Stravinsky's Rite of Spring and other ballet
music.  So much music, so little time.

Glad to hear all is well.

Guy
--- Mark Smith <dimension05@...> wrote:

> Hi Guy!
>
> I got you and my friend Gary mixed up. My
> appologies! Your email
> addresses are very similar.
>
> I've been busy but good...thanks for asking. As you
> can see from my
> posts to Gary that I've been listening to a little
> Genesis lately. You
> know how it is though, things go in cycles...but
> they always gravitate
> to Yes!
>
> My latest is that I rented JAs Tour of the Universe
> at Netflix. As a
> long time JA fan I thought it was very good. Very
> enjoyable. As always,
> inspiring. In it he talks about Phi, The Golden
> Mean. Something I have
> looked into on and off for many years myself. His
> link with XM
> satillite radio (recorded there) is cosmic as well.
>
> Thanks for writing!
>
> Godspeed!
> Mark
>
> --- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "guy_95037"
> <guy_08023@...> wrote:
> >
> > Still here?
> >
> > Not much going on in Yes-space these days.  How
> are you?  What are
> you
> > listening to?
> >
> > Guy
> >
>
>
>


Guy DeRome
guy_08023@...



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Hi Guy!

I got you and my friend Gary mixed up. My appologies! Your email
addresses are very similar.

I've been busy but good...thanks for asking. As you can see from my
posts to Gary that I've been listening to a little Genesis lately. You
know how it is though, things go in cycles...but they always gravitate
to Yes!

My latest is that I rented JAs Tour of the Universe at Netflix. As a
long time JA fan I thought it was very good. Very enjoyable. As always,
inspiring. In it he talks about Phi, The Golden Mean. Something I have
looked into on and off for many years myself. His link with XM
satillite radio (recorded there) is cosmic as well.

Thanks for writing!

Godspeed!
Mark

--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "guy_95037" <guy_08023@...> wrote:
>
> Still here?
>
> Not much going on in Yes-space these days.  How are you?  What are
you
> listening to?
>
> Guy
>

Almost forgot, Erin (my step-daughter) will also be working at the
Peace Project in Arcata (on the web: http://peaceproject.com/
It carries a bunch of anti-war, 911, etc. stuff. Very kewl!

--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Smith" <dimension05@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Gar!
>
> Yep, I'M still here. But my current Yes group focus now is at
Zaadz.com
> called Yes We Have Heaven http://pods.zaadz.com/yes_heaven
>
> I've been fair. Just got my step-daughter launched for Burning Man
(in
> the Nevada desert). And from there she will be going to Arcata CA
to
> live. I'm envious. Do you know where that is? Almost to Oregon.
>
> I saw some YouTube clips of Genesis w/ P. Gabriel doing "Watcher of
the
> Skies." Sound wasn't the greatest, so I went to get out my
old "Genesis
> Live" LP with that song on it. Gone. "What did I do with that? Did
I
> sell it? Did I loan it out?" You know. So I told my brother. He
said he
> had everything they did, so he burned me off a copy of that LP. I
got
> to hear the glory of that Mellotron intro. I had Watcher in my head
for
> days! Those guys were something else!
>
> I almost got to see the Genesis tribute band "Musical Box" about a
year
> ago, but it got cancelled. There forte is the early Genesis stuff.
I
> think that's all they do. If you don't know much about them,
they've
> got their own website. Just Google it. Very authentic!
>
> Good to see you here! Good to see you anywhere!
>
> Hear about Larry Craig? Oh, that's another story. Email me.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> --- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "guy_95037" <guy_08023@> wrote:
> >
> > Still here?
> >
> > Not much going on in Yes-space these days.  How are you?  What
are
> you
> > listening to?
> >
> > Guy
> >
>

Hi Gar!

Yep, I'M still here. But my current Yes group focus now is at Zaadz.com
called Yes We Have Heaven http://pods.zaadz.com/yes_heaven

I've been fair. Just got my step-daughter launched for Burning Man (in
the Nevada desert). And from there she will be going to Arcata CA to
live. I'm envious. Do you know where that is? Almost to Oregon.

I saw some YouTube clips of Genesis w/ P. Gabriel doing "Watcher of the
Skies." Sound wasn't the greatest, so I went to get out my old "Genesis
Live" LP with that song on it. Gone. "What did I do with that? Did I
sell it? Did I loan it out?" You know. So I told my brother. He said he
had everything they did, so he burned me off a copy of that LP. I got
to hear the glory of that Mellotron intro. I had Watcher in my head for
days! Those guys were something else!

I almost got to see the Genesis tribute band "Musical Box" about a year
ago, but it got cancelled. There forte is the early Genesis stuff. I
think that's all they do. If you don't know much about them, they've
got their own website. Just Google it. Very authentic!

Good to see you here! Good to see you anywhere!

Hear about Larry Craig? Oh, that's another story. Email me.

Mark




--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "guy_95037" <guy_08023@...> wrote:
>
> Still here?
>
> Not much going on in Yes-space these days.  How are you?  What are
you
> listening to?
>
> Guy
>

Still here?

Not much going on in Yes-space these days.  How are you?  What are you
listening to?

Guy

----- Original Message -----

From: Guy DeRome

To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:49 PM

Subject: Re: [WeHaveHeaven] Re: I love Yes music because ...

Mark,
You mention below that you haven't heard too much of
Conspiracy. Well, IMHO, you aren't missing much. It is
nothing like Yes music really, unless you compare it
to Rabin's Yes and then maybe you can say it is a bit
like that. Or it also does compare to Yes' folly
release, Open Your Eyes. OYE has a few good moments,
but is basically a Billy Sherwood/Chris Squire affair.
Just not my cuppa.  To each his own. Some Yes fans
love it.

And, not to belabor the point, but to be clear:
Magnification was released in EUROPE on 9/11/01, but
not in the US until December 2001.

Guy

--- Mark Smith <dimension05@...> wrote:

> Yep, the phrase "Secular Humanism" is seen as bad by
> some, just as the word "Liberal." They can cause red
> flags to go up! Thanks for helping me see from
> another angle, Guy. Yes, the word "secular" does
> mean, imply, suggest: "outside of organized
> religion." One reason I used the word "secular" is
> that it goes well with the word "spirituality." And
> regarding Yes specifically...I've always been awed
> at Yes's ability to express a spirituality within
> the secular world - the common everyday world we all
> live in.
>
> One example of the secular world (to me) is the
> music industry itself. The music business itself
> (money, power, ego's) is one good example of
> "secularism." You know the "go for it (profit,
> prestige, etc.) no matter the cost...no matter how
> many people you have to step on in order to get it."
> Jon has often sung against such ugliness..."Be gone
> you ever piercing power play machine." Yeah, be
> gone, because it sure the hell gets in the way of
> true art, such as Yes music! (Sarcastic) Yet (I
> know), Yes themselves (as well as all of them)
> wouldn't have the worldly exposure, or longevity,
> without that very "play machine." Secularism. It
> APPEARS to be a "necessary evil."
>
> To fine tune here, being that I did not intend the
> phrase "secular spirituality" to have anything to do
> with religion actually, perhaps a more accurate
> phrase would be "Human Spirituality?" For, I see it
> as a spirituality that is natural to our human
> nature. It is a birthright. (Gee, after all these
> years of listening to Yes music, no wonder I see
> this way...as do you and many others.)
>
> Because of the magical (and mysterious) way that
> much of Yes's music is expressed, I feel that they
> have helped us listeners sense that goodness, love,
> beauty, and spirituality are easy (ok, simple,
> natural). (Woops, here comes the gratitude again!)
>
> You know Guy, I haven't really heard too much of
> Conspiracy. After a certain point, I kinda zoned
> out, which had nothing to do about "the way the band
> was going." I guess you could say that I already got
> what I liked and didn't need anymore at that time -
> you know what I mean? I just so happened to "get
> back on board" (a little) with Magnification.
> Therefore, in this way, you've helped me to see that
> this thread would be better titled..."I love the
> SPIRIT of Yes music because..." For, I'm not too
> swift about the music post Talk. (Although, after
> readings from another group, I was inspired to get
> "The Ladder." But, I've only listened to it a few
> times. A VERY good Yes album! I like! But as an
> experience Yes fan, I know that their albums grow on
> you with time. Isn't it interesting that we fans
> often don't "get" what the band "got," until years
> later?)
>
> I think I had read somewhere about Mag coming out on
> 9/11, but I had forgotten it. Thanks for the
> reminder. Very interesting and important connection.
> But, I admit I am a bit partial (or Pollyannaish?)
> that the spirit of the music of Yes has been (is)
> "prophetic" for the whole latter half of the 20th
> century! Or said another way, to me the value and
> importance of the spirit of Yes's music has always
> been harmonious to human beings no matter the moment
> in history (This is really an expanded way of
> agreeing with you Guy).
>
> Thank you,
> Mark
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Guy DeRome
>   To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:21 AM
>   Subject: Re: [WeHaveHeaven] Re: I love Yes music
> because ...
>
>
>   Mark,
>   Very well put. So many things to comment on.
>
>   I truely believe that we are all a little bit of
> God
>   or, rather, God is in all of us. What we call
> "God" is
>   really a collective human consciousness. 
>
>   To me, "secular spirituality" means spirituality
> that
>   is outside of organized religion; a sort of
> gnostiscm.
>   And I am sure the right-wing religious fanatics
> would
>   lump that all into what they derogatorily call
> secular
>   humanism.
>
>   I agree about the balance and complementary nature
> of
>   Chris and Jon's collaboration. They are together
>   greater than the sum of their parts. Their solos
>   efforts are not as great as their best Yes
> creations
>   by far. What do you think of Conspiracy?  I find
> it
>   bland and uninteresting with little to say
> musically
>   or lyrically.
>
>   For me, the line "we're standing on sacred ground"
>   means that it is ALL sacred ground. It is sacred
>   because WE are standing on it. We are sacred,
>   therefore the ground on which we stand is sacred.
>   Magnification came to sound very prophetic with
> 9/11.
>   I was living in Barclona on 9/11/01. I watched it
>   unfold on TV there. It was a holiday and we were
> at
>   lunch at some friend's house. Magnification was
>   released in Europe on...9/11/01. 
>
>   Keep up the good work; spreading the gospel
> according
>   to YES!
>
>   Guy
>
>   --- Mark Smith <dimension05@...> wrote:
>
>   > Human/Gods? Gods/Humans? We grow. We learn. We
>   > mature. Our Yes-Gods turn out to be human beings
>   > after all. It causes me to wonder
>   > sometimes...perhaps they ARE gods...within their
>   > humanness? If that is true, then perhaps we too
> are
>   > gods in our humanness?
>   >
>   > That is the core of a talk/presentation I've
> given
>   > that speaks of a secular spirituality. I could
>   > explain that phrase if you want, but if one sits
>   > with it for a while, perhaps it becomes pretty
>   > obvious what it means?
>   >
>   > ONE of the most human/divine pieces of Yes music
> to
>   > me is "I Get Up, I Get Down." The humanness
> blended
>   > with the divinity of it is - to me - beyond
>   > masterful, beyond...   In this talk, after I
> play
>   > for my audience this piece of music I say, "Can
> it
>   > be possible that in blending and balancing the
>   > opposites of good and bad in our own human
> nature, a
>   > divine nature can then float to the surface?"
>   >
>   > THIS is a big reason why I am on fire with
> gratitude
>   > for the existence of Yes music, because when the
>   > music gets into your pores, you can hear - no
> FEEL -
>   > that the music has succeeded in expressing this
>   > human/divine nature. Not only expressing it, but
>   > offering hope that it CAN be a possibility! At
> this
>   > point, one can ONLY want to celebrate!
>   >
>   > Most places I've only seen a hopeLESSness
> regarding
>   > our humanness (and within my own life as well).
> In
>   > the end, many, many ideologies (that I've seen)
>   > equate humanness and despair.
>   >
>   > A wonderful quality that the BAND Yes contains
> is
>   > that in Thomas Mosbo's book "YES - But What Does
> It
>   > Mean?" he clarifies that Chris is the
> (practical)
>   > humanist, and Jon is the (dreamy) spiritualist.
> And
>   > that it is the balance between these two
> personality
>   > forces that has been a strong factor in their
>   > success and longevity. Perhaps this sort of
> artistic
>   > union exists in other places, but I myself have
> not
>   > seen it.
>   >
>   > I conclude my presentation ("Secular
> Spirituality
=== message truncated ===


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Mark,
You mention below that you haven't heard too much of
Conspiracy. Well, IMHO, you aren't missing much. It is
nothing like Yes music really, unless you compare it
to Rabin's Yes and then maybe you can say it is a bit
like that. Or it also does compare to Yes' folly
release, Open Your Eyes. OYE has a few good moments,
but is basically a Billy Sherwood/Chris Squire affair.
  Just not my cuppa.  To each his own. Some Yes fans
love it.

And, not to belabor the point, but to be clear:
Magnification was released in EUROPE on 9/11/01, but
not in the US until December 2001.

Guy

--- Mark Smith <dimension05@...> wrote:

> Yep, the phrase "Secular Humanism" is seen as bad by
> some, just as the word "Liberal." They can cause red
> flags to go up! Thanks for helping me see from
> another angle, Guy. Yes, the word "secular" does
> mean, imply, suggest: "outside of organized
> religion." One reason I used the word "secular" is
> that it goes well with the word "spirituality." And
> regarding Yes specifically...I've always been awed
> at Yes's ability to express a spirituality within
> the secular world - the common everyday world we all
> live in.
>
> One example of the secular world (to me) is the
> music industry itself. The music business itself
> (money, power, ego's) is one good example of
> "secularism." You know the "go for it (profit,
> prestige, etc.) no matter the cost...no matter how
> many people you have to step on in order to get it."
> Jon has often sung against such ugliness..."Be gone
> you ever piercing power play machine." Yeah, be
> gone, because it sure the hell gets in the way of
> true art, such as Yes music! (Sarcastic) Yet (I
> know), Yes themselves (as well as all of them)
> wouldn't have the worldly exposure, or longevity,
> without that very "play machine." Secularism. It
> APPEARS to be a "necessary evil."
>
> To fine tune here, being that I did not intend the
> phrase "secular spirituality" to have anything to do
> with religion actually, perhaps a more accurate
> phrase would be "Human Spirituality?" For, I see it
> as a spirituality that is natural to our human
> nature. It is a birthright. (Gee, after all these
> years of listening to Yes music, no wonder I see
> this way...as do you and many others.)
>
> Because of the magical (and mysterious) way that
> much of Yes's music is expressed, I feel that they
> have helped us listeners sense that goodness, love,
> beauty, and spirituality are easy (ok, simple,
> natural). (Woops, here comes the gratitude again!)
>
> You know Guy, I haven't really heard too much of
> Conspiracy. After a certain point, I kinda zoned
> out, which had nothing to do about "the way the band
> was going." I guess you could say that I already got
> what I liked and didn't need anymore at that time -
> you know what I mean? I just so happened to "get
> back on board" (a little) with Magnification.
> Therefore, in this way, you've helped me to see that
> this thread would be better titled..."I love the
> SPIRIT of Yes music because..." For, I'm not too
> swift about the music post Talk. (Although, after
> readings from another group, I was inspired to get
> "The Ladder." But, I've only listened to it a few
> times. A VERY good Yes album! I like! But as an
> experience Yes fan, I know that their albums grow on
> you with time. Isn't it interesting that we fans
> often don't "get" what the band "got," until years
> later?)
>
> I think I had read somewhere about Mag coming out on
> 9/11, but I had forgotten it. Thanks for the
> reminder. Very interesting and important connection.
> But, I admit I am a bit partial (or Pollyannaish?)
> that the spirit of the music of Yes has been (is)
> "prophetic" for the whole latter half of the 20th
> century! Or said another way, to me the value and
> importance of the spirit of Yes's music has always
> been harmonious to human beings no matter the moment
> in history (This is really an expanded way of
> agreeing with you Guy).
>
> Thank you,
> Mark
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Guy DeRome
>   To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:21 AM
>   Subject: Re: [WeHaveHeaven] Re: I love Yes music
> because ...
>
>
>   Mark,
>   Very well put. So many things to comment on.
>
>   I truely believe that we are all a little bit of
> God
>   or, rather, God is in all of us. What we call
> "God" is
>   really a collective human consciousness.
>
>   To me, "secular spirituality" means spirituality
> that
>   is outside of organized religion; a sort of
> gnostiscm.
>   And I am sure the right-wing religious fanatics
> would
>   lump that all into what they derogatorily call
> secular
>   humanism.
>
>   I agree about the balance and complementary nature
> of
>   Chris and Jon's collaboration. They are together
>   greater than the sum of their parts. Their solos
>   efforts are not as great as their best Yes
> creations
>   by far. What do you think of Conspiracy?  I find
> it
>   bland and uninteresting with little to say
> musically
>   or lyrically.
>
>   For me, the line "we're standing on sacred ground"
>   means that it is ALL sacred ground. It is sacred
>   because WE are standing on it. We are sacred,
>   therefore the ground on which we stand is sacred.
>   Magnification came to sound very prophetic with
> 9/11.
>   I was living in Barclona on 9/11/01. I watched it
>   unfold on TV there. It was a holiday and we were
> at
>   lunch at some friend's house. Magnification was
>   released in Europe on...9/11/01.
>
>   Keep up the good work; spreading the gospel
> according
>   to YES!
>
>   Guy
>
>   --- Mark Smith <dimension05@...> wrote:
>
>   > Human/Gods? Gods/Humans? We grow. We learn. We
>   > mature. Our Yes-Gods turn out to be human beings
>   > after all. It causes me to wonder
>   > sometimes...perhaps they ARE gods...within their
>   > humanness? If that is true, then perhaps we too
> are
>   > gods in our humanness?
>   >
>   > That is the core of a talk/presentation I've
> given
>   > that speaks of a secular spirituality. I could
>   > explain that phrase if you want, but if one sits
>   > with it for a while, perhaps it becomes pretty
>   > obvious what it means?
>   >
>   > ONE of the most human/divine pieces of Yes music
> to
>   > me is "I Get Up, I Get Down." The humanness
> blended
>   > with the divinity of it is - to me - beyond
>   > masterful, beyond...   In this talk, after I
> play
>   > for my audience this piece of music I say, "Can
> it
>   > be possible that in blending and balancing the
>   > opposites of good and bad in our own human
> nature, a
>   > divine nature can then float to the surface?"
>   >
>   > THIS is a big reason why I am on fire with
> gratitude
>   > for the existence of Yes music, because when the
>   > music gets into your pores, you can hear - no
> FEEL -
>   > that the music has succeeded in expressing this
>   > human/divine nature. Not only expressing it, but
>   > offering hope that it CAN be a possibility! At
> this
>   > point, one can ONLY want to celebrate!
>   >
>   > Most places I've only seen a hopeLESSness
> regarding
>   > our humanness (and within my own life as well).
> In
>   > the end, many, many ideologies (that I've seen)
>   > equate humanness and despair.
>   >
>   > A wonderful quality that the BAND Yes contains
> is
>   > that in Thomas Mosbo's book "YES - But What Does
> It
>   > Mean?" he clarifies that Chris is the
> (practical)
>   > humanist, and Jon is the (dreamy) spiritualist.
> And
>   > that it is the balance between these two
> personality
>   > forces that has been a strong factor in their
>   > success and longevity. Perhaps this sort of
> artistic
>   > union exists in other places, but I myself have
> not
>   > seen it.
>   >
>   > I conclude my presentation ("Secular
> Spirituality
=== message truncated ===


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guyderome@...

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Everybody has their own interpretation of Yes songs. Thankfully, there is no "right way" or "wrong way."

In meditation today, as I hummed a solid note, I imagined a "vibrational rope" that connected the physical world and the non-physical world. It seemed like a cord of life.

Life (IMO) is both physical and non-physical. Seen and unseen. Manifest and unmanifest. Body and soul.

"Cord of Life" (For those who don't know, "Cord of Life" is the first movement from the song "And You and I .")

"A movement regained and regarded both the same" The rope, or cord, is a "movement" between the two realms of the manifest and unmanifest, that is "regained" to me, and are "regarded as both the same." (I love it!)

"All complete in the sights and seeds of life with you." Ok, my take on this - today - I'm aware is not what Jon meant. And, I'm aware that this is a very special line to all Yesfans. That said, lately the word complete has meant "whole." To me, bridging the two worlds of physical and non. - is whole, is holy, is "All complete." A wholeness can be personally experienced as we see within the "sights" of wholeness. And I believe that a natural wholeness of life is seeded in each human being. "With you." Jon is pointing to a beloved. The beloved I have always placed there is God. Now, IF the (or a) cord of life is this linking between physical and non-physical, then (to me) "you" (a beloved) IS God - IS Life.

Why do I believe such things? One reason is that I listen to Yes music.

Now, what I just said is of course a concept in the head, and idealology. And we all know that life ain't about living only the head, especially this song, which is one of the most heart-felt and beloved of all Yes songs (Ok, to be "politically correct" - I.M. HUMBLE O.)

Signing off affirmatively,

Mark

...it inspires me to feel that I am worthy of all good things. Because they often healthily articulate that the spirit of the music itself is worthy of expressing all good things, I too then feel worthy of expressing all good things! This is penetrating in that I've spent the majority of my life feeling unworthy - unworthy to others, unworthy to myself, and so of course unworthy of expressing anything good and healthy (which in fact means: expressing that which is representative of who I really am as a soul).

It then becomes more understandable why I am so passionate about the spirit of Yes music! Because the spirit of the music of Yes seems to be (or sometimes is) representative of what it authentically is, I often wonder maybe I can too?

----- Original Message -----

From: Guy DeRome

To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: [WeHaveHeaven] Re: I love Yes music because ...

Mark,
Very well put. So many things to comment on.

I truely believe that we are all a little bit of God
or, rather, God is in all of us. What we call "God" is
really a collective human consciousness. 

To me, "secular spirituality" means spirituality that
is outside of organized religion; a sort of gnostiscm.
And I am sure the right-wing religious fanatics would
lump that all into what they derogatorily call secular
humanism.

I agree about the balance and complementary nature of
Chris and Jon's collaboration. They are together
greater than the sum of their parts. Their solos
efforts are not as great as their best Yes creations
by far. What do you think of Conspiracy?  I find it
bland and uninteresting with little to say musically
or lyrically.

For me, the line "we're standing on sacred ground"
means that it is ALL sacred ground. It is sacred
because WE are standing on it. We are sacred,
therefore the ground on which we stand is sacred.
Magnification came to sound very prophetic with 9/11.
I was living in Barclona on 9/11/01. I watched it
unfold on TV there. It was a holiday and we were at
lunch at some friend's house. Magnification was
released in Europe on...9/11/01. 

Keep up the good work; spreading the gospel according
to YES!

Guy

--- Mark Smith <dimension05@...> wrote:

> Human/Gods? Gods/Humans? We grow. We learn. We
> mature. Our Yes-Gods turn out to be human beings
> after all. It causes me to wonder
> sometimes...perhaps they ARE gods...within their
> humanness? If that is true, then perhaps we too are
> gods in our humanness?
>
> That is the core of a talk/presentation I've given
> that speaks of a secular spirituality. I could
> explain that phrase if you want, but if one sits
> with it for a while, perhaps it becomes pretty
> obvious what it means?
>
> ONE of the most human/divine pieces of Yes music to
> me is "I Get Up, I Get Down." The humanness blended
> with the divinity of it is - to me - beyond
> masterful, beyond...   In this talk, after I play
> for my audience this piece of music I say, "Can it
> be possible that in blending and balancing the
> opposites of good and bad in our own human nature, a
> divine nature can then float to the surface?"
>
> THIS is a big reason why I am on fire with gratitude
> for the existence of Yes music, because when the
> music gets into your pores, you can hear - no FEEL -
> that the music has succeeded in expressing this
> human/divine nature. Not only expressing it, but
> offering hope that it CAN be a possibility! At this
> point, one can ONLY want to celebrate!
>
> Most places I've only seen a hopeLESSness regarding
> our humanness (and within my own life as well). In
> the end, many, many ideologies (that I've seen)
> equate humanness and despair.
>
> A wonderful quality that the BAND Yes contains is
> that in Thomas Mosbo's book "YES - But What Does It
> Mean?" he clarifies that Chris is the (practical)
> humanist, and Jon is the (dreamy) spiritualist. And
> that it is the balance between these two personality
> forces that has been a strong factor in their
> success and longevity. Perhaps this sort of artistic
> union exists in other places, but I myself have not
> seen it.
>
> I conclude my presentation ("Secular Spirituality as
> expressed by the musical group Yes") with what I
> call Sacred Ground (Turn Around And Remember" - the
> finale to "In The Presence Of"). For me, it's easy
> to see the Phoenix rising from the ashes of human
> despair into a kind of natural divinity. I say "Like
> a sprout pushing up through the concrete, YOU are
> standing on sacred ground! WE are standing on sacred
> ground!"
>
> So, yea, I guess you could say I like Magnification!
> :) Love the DVD from Amsterdam!
>
> Mark
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Guy DeRome
>   To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:34 PM
>   Subject: Re: [WeHaveHeaven] Re: I love Yes music
> because ...
>
>
>   Mark,
>   Very well put. I think, to sum it all up: Yes is
>   human. Back in 1974 I might have argued that they
> were
>   gods, but age (mine and theirs) has tempered that
>   feeling. Yes is responsible for putting out some
> of
>   the most positive vibes of ANY group in the past
> 30
>   years.
>
>   I don't like Talk either. As you can tell, I don't
>   like any of the Rabin era CDs and I could go into
> all
>   the reasons why, but 1) This is not the place, and
> 2)
>   It has been done to death elsewhere.
>
>   On a positive note, I will say that the song
> Homeworld
>   is their best, and most positive, song of the
>   post-Rabin years IMHO. The Magnification album
>   certainly ranks up there, too.  What say you?
>
>   Guy
>
>   --- Mark Smith <dimension05@...> wrote:
>
>   > Thanks for letting me fine-tune my words Guy. I
> see
>   > now how my words may come off a bit Polyannaish.
> By
>   > all means, I too mean MOST of Yes's music. Talk
> is
>   > definitely not one of my favorites for ex. Many
> of
>   > their later stuff is not as inspired compared to
>   > their '70s material.
>   >
>   > I do not wish to come off "positive" for
> positive's
>   > sake. Nor do I wish to be "spiritual" for
>   > spirituality's sake. I am simply expressing the
>   > gratitude I feel for the very existence of Yes's
>   > music in my life (which includes a lot of their
>   > music, but of course not all).
>   >
>   > That said, I'm gonna playfully disagree with you
>   > about - "I know we don't usually get into
> discussing
>   > negatives here" - To me, Guy, spirituality is
> not
>   > about either positives or negatives. It's bigger
>   > than that. Broader. Higher, if you will. Beyond
>   > words. I feel it contains +'s & -'s within it,
> yet
>   > much more as well.
>   >
>   > Therefore, Yes's music too contains both
> positives
>   > and negatives. As do the Partridge Family, the
>   > Smithereens, the Who, etc., etc. (You get the
> idea)
>   > So, for me, a feeling of gratitude, thankfully,
>   > rises above either pos's or neg's.
>   > Discussing negatives with a feeling of gratitude
>   > (when I can) is cool. Said another way,
> discussing
>   > negatives is not taboo in this group (or at
> least I
>   > hope not).
>   >
>   > In appreciation,
>   > Mark
>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: guy_95037
>   >   To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:02 PM
>   >   Subject: [WeHaveHeaven] Re: I love Yes music
>   > because ...
>   >
>   >
>   >   Mark,
>   >   While I appreciate your overall positive
> outlook
>   > regarding Yes
>   >   music, I tend to take a more critical,
> practical
>   > approach. MOST of
>   >   Yes music I love. It is some of the best on
> the
>   > planet, past or
>   >   present. But there have been some times when I
>   > think their music was
>   >   not up to par and they got lost or derailed.
> I am
>   > thinking mostly
>   >   of the 80s/Rabin era.  This era was overlly
>   > commercial and their
>   >   sound did change quite a bit.  I feel the
>   > positive, soul-searching
>   >   sounds and words of albums like TFTO and CttE
> took
>   > a serious wrong
>   >   turn in the 80s. [I know some say that there
>   > wouldn't be a Yes today
>   >   if it weren't for the 80s Yes revival, but
> that is
>   > a different
>   >   topic.]
>   >
>   >   I know a lot of people like 90125 and came to
>   > discover Yes in that
>   >   era, but I can't stand that guitar shredder
> sound.
>   > It sounds like
>   >   Journey or one of their clones to me.  I think
> Big
>   > Generator is a
>   >   particular low point too.  Listen to the
> words:
>   > "move to the left,
>   >   move to the right..." Sounds like the Hokey
> Pokey
>   > to me.
>   >
>   >   Anyway, I know we don't usually get into
>   > discussing negatives here,
>   >   but I thought some temperance was in order.
>   >
>   >   Guy
>   >
>   >   --- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark
> Smith"
>
=== message truncated ===


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Mark,
Very well put. So many things to comment on.

I truely believe that we are all a little bit of God
or, rather, God is in all of us. What we call "God" is
really a collective human consciousness.

To me, "secular spirituality" means spirituality that
is outside of organized religion; a sort of gnostiscm.
  And I am sure the right-wing religious fanatics would
lump that all into what they derogatorily call secular
humanism.

I agree about the balance and complementary nature of
Chris and Jon's collaboration. They are together
greater than the sum of their parts. Their solos
efforts are not as great as their best Yes creations
by far. What do you think of Conspiracy?  I find it
bland and uninteresting with little to say musically
or lyrically.

For me, the line "we're standing on sacred ground"
means that it is ALL sacred ground. It is sacred
because WE are standing on it. We are sacred,
therefore the ground on which we stand is sacred.
Magnification came to sound very prophetic with 9/11.
I was living in Barclona on 9/11/01. I watched it
unfold on TV there. It was a holiday and we were at
lunch at some friend's house. Magnification was
released in Europe on...9/11/01.

Keep up the good work; spreading the gospel according
to YES!

Guy

--- Mark Smith <dimension05@...> wrote:

> Human/Gods? Gods/Humans? We grow. We learn. We
> mature. Our Yes-Gods turn out to be human beings
> after all. It causes me to wonder
> sometimes...perhaps they ARE gods...within their
> humanness? If that is true, then perhaps we too are
> gods in our humanness?
>
> That is the core of a talk/presentation I've given
> that speaks of a secular spirituality. I could
> explain that phrase if you want, but if one sits
> with it for a while, perhaps it becomes pretty
> obvious what it means?
>
> ONE of the most human/divine pieces of Yes music to
> me is "I Get Up, I Get Down." The humanness blended
> with the divinity of it is - to me - beyond
> masterful, beyond...   In this talk, after I play
> for my audience this piece of music I say, "Can it
> be possible that in blending and balancing the
> opposites of good and bad in our own human nature, a
> divine nature can then float to the surface?"
>
> THIS is a big reason why I am on fire with gratitude
> for the existence of Yes music, because when the
> music gets into your pores, you can hear - no FEEL -
> that the music has succeeded in expressing this
> human/divine nature. Not only expressing it, but
> offering hope that it CAN be a possibility! At this
> point, one can ONLY want to celebrate!
>
> Most places I've only seen a hopeLESSness regarding
> our humanness (and within my own life as well). In
> the end, many, many ideologies (that I've seen)
> equate humanness and despair.
>
> A wonderful quality that the BAND Yes contains is
> that in Thomas Mosbo's book "YES - But What Does It
> Mean?" he clarifies that Chris is the (practical)
> humanist, and Jon is the (dreamy) spiritualist. And
> that it is the balance between these two personality
> forces that has been a strong factor in their
> success and longevity. Perhaps this sort of artistic
> union exists in other places, but I myself have not
> seen it.
>
> I conclude my presentation ("Secular Spirituality as
> expressed by the musical group Yes") with what I
> call Sacred Ground (Turn Around And Remember" - the
> finale to "In The Presence Of"). For me, it's easy
> to see the Phoenix rising from the ashes of human
> despair into a kind of natural divinity. I say "Like
> a sprout pushing up through the concrete, YOU are
> standing on sacred ground! WE are standing on sacred
> ground!"
>
> So, yea, I guess you could say I like Magnification!
> :) Love the DVD from Amsterdam!
>
> Mark
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Guy DeRome
>   To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:34 PM
>   Subject: Re: [WeHaveHeaven] Re: I love Yes music
> because ...
>
>
>   Mark,
>   Very well put. I think, to sum it all up: Yes is
>   human. Back in 1974 I might have argued that they
> were
>   gods, but age (mine and theirs) has tempered that
>   feeling. Yes is responsible for putting out some
> of
>   the most positive vibes of ANY group in the past
> 30
>   years.
>
>   I don't like Talk either. As you can tell, I don't
>   like any of the Rabin era CDs and I could go into
> all
>   the reasons why, but 1) This is not the place, and
> 2)
>   It has been done to death elsewhere.
>
>   On a positive note, I will say that the song
> Homeworld
>   is their best, and most positive, song of the
>   post-Rabin years IMHO. The Magnification album
>   certainly ranks up there, too.  What say you?
>
>   Guy
>
>   --- Mark Smith <dimension05@...> wrote:
>
>   > Thanks for letting me fine-tune my words Guy. I
> see
>   > now how my words may come off a bit Polyannaish.
> By
>   > all means, I too mean MOST of Yes's music. Talk
> is
>   > definitely not one of my favorites for ex. Many
> of
>   > their later stuff is not as inspired compared to
>   > their '70s material.
>   >
>   > I do not wish to come off "positive" for
> positive's
>   > sake. Nor do I wish to be "spiritual" for
>   > spirituality's sake. I am simply expressing the
>   > gratitude I feel for the very existence of Yes's
>   > music in my life (which includes a lot of their
>   > music, but of course not all).
>   >
>   > That said, I'm gonna playfully disagree with you
>   > about - "I know we don't usually get into
> discussing
>   > negatives here" - To me, Guy, spirituality is
> not
>   > about either positives or negatives. It's bigger
>   > than that. Broader. Higher, if you will. Beyond
>   > words. I feel it contains +'s & -'s within it,
> yet
>   > much more as well.
>   >
>   > Therefore, Yes's music too contains both
> positives
>   > and negatives. As do the Partridge Family, the
>   > Smithereens, the Who, etc., etc. (You get the
> idea)
>   > So, for me, a feeling of gratitude, thankfully,
>   > rises above either pos's or neg's.
>   > Discussing negatives with a feeling of gratitude
>   > (when I can) is cool. Said another way,
> discussing
>   > negatives is not taboo in this group (or at
> least I
>   > hope not).
>   >
>   > In appreciation,
>   > Mark
>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: guy_95037
>   >   To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:02 PM
>   >   Subject: [WeHaveHeaven] Re: I love Yes music
>   > because ...
>   >
>   >
>   >   Mark,
>   >   While I appreciate your overall positive
> outlook
>   > regarding Yes
>   >   music, I tend to take a more critical,
> practical
>   > approach. MOST of
>   >   Yes music I love. It is some of the best on
> the
>   > planet, past or
>   >   present. But there have been some times when I
>   > think their music was
>   >   not up to par and they got lost or derailed.
> I am
>   > thinking mostly
>   >   of the 80s/Rabin era.  This era was overlly
>   > commercial and their
>   >   sound did change quite a bit.  I feel the
>   > positive, soul-searching
>   >   sounds and words of albums like TFTO and CttE
> took
>   > a serious wrong
>   >   turn in the 80s. [I know some say that there
>   > wouldn't be a Yes today
>   >   if it weren't for the 80s Yes revival, but
> that is
>   > a different
>   >   topic.]
>   >
>   >   I know a lot of people like 90125 and came to
>   > discover Yes in that
>   >   era, but I can't stand that guitar shredder
> sound.
>   > It sounds like
>   >   Journey or one of their clones to me.  I think
> Big
>   > Generator is a
>   >   particular low point too.  Listen to the
> words:
>   > "move to the left,
>   >   move to the right..." Sounds like the Hokey
> Pokey
>   > to me.
>   >
>   >   Anyway, I know we don't usually get into
>   > discussing negatives here,
>   >   but I thought some temperance was in order.
>   >
>   >   Guy
>   >
>   >   --- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark
> Smith"
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Guy DeRome

To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:34 PM

Subject: Re: [WeHaveHeaven] Re: I love Yes music because ...

Mark,
Very well put. I think, to sum it all up: Yes is
human. Back in 1974 I might have argued that they were
gods, but age (mine and theirs) has tempered that
feeling. Yes is responsible for putting out some of
the most positive vibes of ANY group in the past 30
years.

I don't like Talk either. As you can tell, I don't
like any of the Rabin era CDs and I could go into all
the reasons why, but 1) This is not the place, and 2)
It has been done to death elsewhere.

On a positive note, I will say that the song Homeworld
is their best, and most positive, song of the
post-Rabin years IMHO. The Magnification album
certainly ranks up there, too.  What say you?

Guy

--- Mark Smith <dimension05@...> wrote:

> Thanks for letting me fine-tune my words Guy. I see
> now how my words may come off a bit Polyannaish. By
> all means, I too mean MOST of Yes's music. Talk is
> definitely not one of my favorites for ex. Many of
> their later stuff is not as inspired compared to
> their '70s material.
>
> I do not wish to come off "positive" for positive's
> sake. Nor do I wish to be "spiritual" for
> spirituality's sake. I am simply expressing the
> gratitude I feel for the very existence of Yes's
> music in my life (which includes a lot of their
> music, but of course not all).
>
> That said, I'm gonna playfully disagree with you
> about - "I know we don't usually get into discussing
> negatives here" - To me, Guy, spirituality is not
> about either positives or negatives. It's bigger
> than that. Broader. Higher, if you will. Beyond
> words. I feel it contains +'s & -'s within it, yet
> much more as well.
>
> Therefore, Yes's music too contains both positives
> and negatives. As do the Partridge Family, the
> Smithereens, the Who, etc., etc. (You get the idea)
> So, for me, a feeling of gratitude, thankfully,
> rises above either pos's or neg's.
> Discussing negatives with a feeling of gratitude
> (when I can) is cool. Said another way, discussing
> negatives is not taboo in this group (or at least I
> hope not).
>
> In appreciation,
> Mark
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: guy_95037
>   To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:02 PM
>   Subject: [WeHaveHeaven] Re: I love Yes music
> because ...
>
>
>   Mark,
>   While I appreciate your overall positive outlook
> regarding Yes
>   music, I tend to take a more critical, practical
> approach. MOST of
>   Yes music I love. It is some of the best on the
> planet, past or
>   present. But there have been some times when I
> think their music was
>   not up to par and they got lost or derailed.  I am
> thinking mostly
>   of the 80s/Rabin era.  This era was overlly
> commercial and their
>   sound did change quite a bit.  I feel the
> positive, soul-searching
>   sounds and words of albums like TFTO and CttE took
> a serious wrong
>   turn in the 80s. [I know some say that there
> wouldn't be a Yes today
>   if it weren't for the 80s Yes revival, but that is
> a different
>   topic.]
>
>   I know a lot of people like 90125 and came to
> discover Yes in that
>   era, but I can't stand that guitar shredder sound.
> It sounds like
>   Journey or one of their clones to me.  I think Big
> Generator is a
>   particular low point too.  Listen to the words:
> "move to the left,
>   move to the right..." Sounds like the Hokey Pokey
> to me.
>
>   Anyway, I know we don't usually get into
> discussing negatives here,
>   but I thought some temperance was in order.
>
>   Guy
>
>   --- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Smith"
> <dimension05@s...>
>   wrote:
>   >
>   >
>   > I love Yes music because  they are an instrument
> for the good of
>   all! The music expresses, powerfully,
> articulately, and in a very
>   real, honest and human way, the essence of a
> Divinity within us.
>   >
>   > I have always been attracted to the music's
> for-the-good-of-all
>   sound. It feels good! It sounds true! I like that!
> You can't go
>   wrong when you operate for the good of all. And
> through all the
>   changes in the band and in the sound, their music
> has not gone wrong
>   all these years, because it is a constant (and
> comforting) thread
>   through all of the changes. IMPO.
>   >
>   > The music of Yes has always been FOR us (the
> individual), and FOR
>   music. For their own, but also for music in
> general (as attested to
>   in Our Song, "Music good to you, Music good to
> you," and others).
>   >
>   > I, for one, wish that "when I grow up" (I'm 45),
> I may have an
>   inkling of what the music of Yes has always
> radiated. Until then,
>   I'll keep listening.
>   >
>   > Mark
>   >
>
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Mark,
Very well put. I think, to sum it all up: Yes is
human. Back in 1974 I might have argued that they were
gods, but age (mine and theirs) has tempered that
feeling. Yes is responsible for putting out some of
the most positive vibes of ANY group in the past 30
years.

I don't like Talk either. As you can tell, I don't
like any of the Rabin era CDs and I could go into all
the reasons why, but 1) This is not the place, and 2)
It has been done to death elsewhere.

On a positive note, I will say that the song Homeworld
is their best, and most positive, song of the
post-Rabin years IMHO. The Magnification album
certainly ranks up there, too.  What say you?

Guy

--- Mark Smith <dimension05@...> wrote:

> Thanks for letting me fine-tune my words Guy. I see
> now how my words may come off a bit Polyannaish. By
> all means, I too mean MOST of Yes's music. Talk is
> definitely not one of my favorites for ex. Many of
> their later stuff is not as inspired compared to
> their '70s material.
>
> I do not wish to come off "positive" for positive's
> sake. Nor do I wish to be "spiritual" for
> spirituality's sake. I am simply expressing the
> gratitude I feel for the very existence of Yes's
> music in my life (which includes a lot of their
> music, but of course not all).
>
> That said, I'm gonna playfully disagree with you
> about - "I know we don't usually get into discussing
> negatives here" - To me, Guy, spirituality is not
> about either positives or negatives. It's bigger
> than that. Broader. Higher, if you will. Beyond
> words. I feel it contains +'s & -'s within it, yet
> much more as well.
>
> Therefore, Yes's music too contains both positives
> and negatives. As do the Partridge Family, the
> Smithereens, the Who, etc., etc. (You get the idea)
> So, for me, a feeling of gratitude, thankfully,
> rises above either pos's or neg's.
> Discussing negatives with a feeling of gratitude
> (when I can) is cool. Said another way, discussing
> negatives is not taboo in this group (or at least I
> hope not).
>
> In appreciation,
> Mark
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: guy_95037
>   To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:02 PM
>   Subject: [WeHaveHeaven] Re: I love Yes music
> because ...
>
>
>   Mark,
>   While I appreciate your overall positive outlook
> regarding Yes
>   music, I tend to take a more critical, practical
> approach. MOST of
>   Yes music I love. It is some of the best on the
> planet, past or
>   present. But there have been some times when I
> think their music was
>   not up to par and they got lost or derailed.  I am
> thinking mostly
>   of the 80s/Rabin era.  This era was overlly
> commercial and their
>   sound did change quite a bit.  I feel the
> positive, soul-searching
>   sounds and words of albums like TFTO and CttE took
> a serious wrong
>   turn in the 80s. [I know some say that there
> wouldn't be a Yes today
>   if it weren't for the 80s Yes revival, but that is
> a different
>   topic.]
>
>   I know a lot of people like 90125 and came to
> discover Yes in that
>   era, but I can't stand that guitar shredder sound.
> It sounds like
>   Journey or one of their clones to me.  I think Big
> Generator is a
>   particular low point too.  Listen to the words:
> "move to the left,
>   move to the right..." Sounds like the Hokey Pokey
> to me.
>
>   Anyway, I know we don't usually get into
> discussing negatives here,
>   but I thought some temperance was in order.
>
>   Guy
>
>   --- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Smith"
> <dimension05@s...>
>   wrote:
>   >
>   >
>   > I love Yes music because  they are an instrument
> for the good of
>   all! The music expresses, powerfully,
> articulately, and in a very
>   real, honest and human way, the essence of a
> Divinity within us.
>   >
>   > I have always been attracted to the music's
> for-the-good-of-all
>   sound. It feels good! It sounds true! I like that!
> You can't go
>   wrong when you operate for the good of all. And
> through all the
>   changes in the band and in the sound, their music
> has not gone wrong
>   all these years, because it is a constant (and
> comforting) thread
>   through all of the changes. IMPO.
>   >
>   > The music of Yes has always been FOR us (the
> individual), and FOR
>   music. For their own, but also for music in
> general (as attested to
>   in Our Song, "Music good to you, Music good to
> you," and others).
>   >
>   > I, for one, wish that "when I grow up" (I'm 45),
> I may have an
>   inkling of what the music of Yes has always
> radiated. Until then,
>   I'll keep listening.
>   >
>   > Mark
>   >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: guy_95037

To: WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:02 PM

Subject: [WeHaveHeaven] Re: I love Yes music because ...

Mark,
While I appreciate your overall positive outlook regarding Yes
music, I tend to take a more critical, practical approach. MOST of
Yes music I love. It is some of the best on the planet, past or
present. But there have been some times when I think their music was
not up to par and they got lost or derailed.  I am thinking mostly
of the 80s/Rabin era.  This era was overlly commercial and their
sound did change quite a bit.  I feel the positive, soul-searching
sounds and words of albums like TFTO and CttE took a serious wrong
turn in the 80s. [I know some say that there wouldn't be a Yes today
if it weren't for the 80s Yes revival, but that is a different
topic.]

I know a lot of people like 90125 and came to discover Yes in that
era, but I can't stand that guitar shredder sound. It sounds like
Journey or one of their clones to me.  I think Big Generator is a
particular low point too.  Listen to the words: "move to the left,
move to the right..." Sounds like the Hokey Pokey to me.

Anyway, I know we don't usually get into discussing negatives here,
but I thought some temperance was in order.

Guy

--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Smith" <dimension05@s...>
wrote:
>
>
> I love Yes music because  they are an instrument for the good of
all! The music expresses, powerfully, articulately, and in a very
real, honest and human way, the essence of a Divinity within us.
>
> I have always been attracted to the music's for-the-good-of-all
sound. It feels good! It sounds true! I like that! You can't go
wrong when you operate for the good of all. And through all the
changes in the band and in the sound, their music has not gone wrong
all these years, because it is a constant (and comforting) thread
through all of the changes. IMPO.
>
> The music of Yes has always been FOR us (the individual), and FOR
music. For their own, but also for music in general (as attested to
in Our Song, "Music good to you, Music good to you," and others).
>
> I, for one, wish that "when I grow up" (I'm 45), I may have an
inkling of what the music of Yes has always radiated. Until then,
I'll keep listening.
>
> Mark
>

Mark,
While I appreciate your overall positive outlook regarding Yes
music, I tend to take a more critical, practical approach. MOST of
Yes music I love. It is some of the best on the planet, past or
present. But there have been some times when I think their music was
not up to par and they got lost or derailed.  I am thinking mostly
of the 80s/Rabin era.  This era was overlly commercial and their
sound did change quite a bit.  I feel the positive, soul-searching
sounds and words of albums like TFTO and CttE took a serious wrong
turn in the 80s. [I know some say that there wouldn't be a Yes today
if it weren't for the 80s Yes revival, but that is a different
topic.]

I know a lot of people like 90125 and came to discover Yes in that
era, but I can't stand that guitar shredder sound. It sounds like
Journey or one of their clones to me.  I think Big Generator is a
particular low point too.  Listen to the words: "move to the left,
move to the right..." Sounds like the Hokey Pokey to me.

Anyway, I know we don't usually get into discussing negatives here,
but I thought some temperance was in order.

Guy

--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Smith" <dimension05@s...>
wrote:
>
>
> I love Yes music because  they are an instrument for the good of
all! The music expresses, powerfully, articulately, and in a very
real, honest and human way, the essence of a Divinity within us.
>
> I have always been attracted to the music's for-the-good-of-all
sound. It feels good! It sounds true! I like that! You can't go
wrong when you operate for the good of all. And through all the
changes in the band and in the sound, their music has not gone wrong
all these years, because it is a constant (and comforting) thread
through all of the changes. IMPO.
>
> The music of Yes has always been FOR us (the individual), and FOR
music. For their own, but also for music in general (as attested to
in Our Song, "Music good to you, Music good to you," and others).
>
> I, for one, wish that "when I grow up" (I'm 45), I may have an
inkling of what the music of Yes has always radiated. Until then,
I'll keep listening.
>
> Mark
>

I love Yes music because  they are an instrument for the good of all! The music
expresses, powerfully, articulately, and in a very real, honest and human way,
the essence of a Divinity within us.

I have always been attracted to the music's for-the-good-of-all sound. It feels
good! It sounds true! I like that! You can't go wrong when you operate for the
good of all. And through all the changes in the band and in the sound, their
music has not gone wrong all these years, because it is a constant (and
comforting) thread through all of the changes. IMPO.

The music of Yes has always been FOR us (the individual), and FOR music. For
their own, but also for music in general (as attested to in Our Song, "Music
good to you, Music good to you," and others).

I, for one, wish that "when I grow up" (I'm 45), I may have an inkling of what
the music of Yes has always radiated. Until then, I'll keep listening.

Mark

I wish every one at We Have Heaven happiness this holiday season, and happiness always!

Mark

Cool! And..."Our hope is our world, our life...As I will always need
you
inside my heart."

Mark



--- In WeHaveHeaven@yahoogroups.com, "guy_95037" <guy_08023@y...>
wrote:
>
> A few thoughts on this Veterns' Day:
>
> - Home is our world, our life
>
> - Peace is what we teach, a place for us all to reach
>               - from Homeworld (The Ladder), Yes
>

A few thoughts on this Veterns' Day:

- Home is our world, our life

- Peace is what we teach, a place for us all to reach
               - from Homeworld (The Ladder), Yes