I recently purchased a Martin D35 2008 model.

Love the sound as it is now.

great intonation etc.

It has coated D Addario Mediums on it now.

It as far as I can tell has never been modified in any way other than the string

change.

The saddle is bone and is high.

Action is probably best described as medium.

Neck is straight. guitar is mint.

Only problem I have is playability

Open chords are easy enough but I would like to play the bar chords easier.

I have had some advise on what to do like--- lower the saddle, truss rod

adjustment, setup etc.

The problem I have with these recommendations is that - been there, done that on

other Martin guitars.  It has always been a trade off for tone in my opinion.

I would like to get some opinions from some of you luthiers out there and/or

some people who have had the same experience on thier own guitars.

If I l change to lighter strings, I will lose some of the volume and tone will

probably change some.

Would be willing to try a shorter saddle but as far as I know, I would have to

trust this to someone who may file saddle down uneven or change the intonation

etc. Have researched on the net for some answers and can't seem to find any.

Any advise like as to what strings would sound and play better on it will be

appreciated

I'm trying to save a little time and frustration by asking opinions from a great

group of people who I think are more knowledgeable about acoustics than are on

most sites.

 

Thanks to all.

 

 

 









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Well Waylan, you have already said your options.

You already know me as a fan of heavier strings, but that is subjective.



I know the D35 model well - had a few, including a 1973 (bad year) which

was, one of the finest Martins I ever had. A pal owns it now, and keeps

mediums on it and they feel like extra lights. The big tonal aspect of D35s

(IMHO) is the full round bass end).



So:



Option 1. Leave the action where it is, and try one set of Daddario/Martin

lights - (12-53) P/B for durability and tension, Bronze for tone and perhaps

a tad less tension (I'm not sure about this).



Option 2. Get a slightly lower nut made up (keeping the old one) and put on

Mediums (13-56)



Option 3. If you are a light fingerpicker) lower nut as above AND use

lights.



An inbetweeny option are Med/lights, or bluegrass gauge (12,16,25,35,45,56)

- I love 'em)



ACTION : If the action is good at the first position, check out the relief -

as a tiny touch of adjustment on the truss rod might help.



General Action Height: for light gauge I would suggest a height above the

12th fret of at least .070" (top e) .090"  (as recommended on the Stewmac

gauge). I use this on my smaller guitars with lights.



For mediums/bluegrass - I tend to prefer more like .090 (top) and .120

(bass). (plectrum use)





Another thought: Regarding saddles - whilst we would all prefer a good lump

of ivory, or at least bleached bone, the Tusq option is very good and can be

bought with compensation for the B string. If you have a local luthier

repairer, it is best for both if you tell him/her exactly what string height

at the 12th you want. If not a Tusq Saddle is easy and cheapish to buy, for

a DIY job.



Final thought - if you can get 'em, British strings by "Newtone" are

slightly lower in tension than mst, and very good.



Hope this helps,





Andrew Perry



Elderly, British, Opinionated, and Grumpy, but musical















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To: acousticguitaristguild@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Acoustic Guitarist Guild] Best strings for Martin D35



I recently purchased a Martin D35 2008 model.

Love the sound as it is now.

great intonation etc.

It has coated D Addario Mediums on it now.

It as far as I can tell has never been modified in any way other than the

string change.

The saddle is bone and is high.

Action is probably best described as medium.

Neck is straight. guitar is mint.

Only problem I have is playability

Open chords are easy enough but I would like to play the bar chords easier.

I have had some advise on what to do like--- lower the saddle, truss rod

adjustment, setup etc.

The problem I have with these recommendations is that - been there, done

that on other Martin guitars.  It has always been a trade off for tone in my

opinion.

I would like to get some opinions from some of you luthiers out there and/or

some people who have had the same experience on thier own guitars.

If I l change to lighter strings, I will lose some of the volume and tone

will probably change some.

Would be willing to try a shorter saddle but as far as I know, I would have

to trust this to someone who may file saddle down uneven or change the

intonation etc. Have researched on the net for some answers and can't seem

to find any.

Any advise like as to what strings would sound and play better on it will be

appreciated

I'm trying to save a little time and frustration by asking opinions from a

great group of people who I think are more knowledgeable about acoustics

than are on most sites.

 

Thanks to all.

 

 

 









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I went thru the same issue.. I have an old D28 (1967) that I pulled out of the

attic.. Anyway the sound was where I liked it with the mediums. But to much for

me to bar effectively.. My action was a tad hi ( about a half a mm) and my

luthier reccommended I try to live with it as we already had a bridge down to

where we couldn't do much.. So it was pointing towards a neck reset which would

be it's first  ( no truss rods) . He told me to try going to lights for 3 weeks

then switching back.. to med's for a week or so.. In th eend I thik my board is

a little flatter then what I was used to. Anyway by the time I went back and

forth with the strings thru 3 sets of changes the issue was pretty much history.

So my hands and fingers got toughened up a bit and I managed to get used to a

little different fret shape we think.

If you have room to drop the saddle that's a cheep date..and reversible with

shims. I didn't think the 35's had a truss rod maybe they do now I don't know .



jimbo

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   Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:20 PM

   Subject: [Acoustic Guitarist Guild] Best strings for Martin D35











   I recently purchased a Martin D35 2008 model.

   Love the sound as it is now.

   great intonation etc.

   It has coated D Addario Mediums on it now.

   It as far as I can tell has never been modified in any way other than the

string change.

   The saddle is bone and is high.

   Action is probably best described as medium.

   Neck is straight. guitar is mint.

   Only problem I have is playability

   Open chords are easy enough but I would like to play the bar chords easier.

   I have had some advise on what to do like--- lower the saddle, truss rod

adjustment, setup etc.

   The problem I have with these recommendations is that - been there, done that

on other Martin guitars.  It has always been a trade off for tone in my opinion.

   I would like to get some opinions from some of you luthiers out there and/or

some people who have had the same experience on thier own guitars.

   If I l change to lighter strings, I will lose some of the volume and tone will

probably change some.

   Would be willing to try a shorter saddle but as far as I know, I would have to

trust this to someone who may file saddle down uneven or change the intonation

etc. Have researched on the net for some answers and can't seem to find any.

   Any advise like as to what strings would sound and play better on it will be

appreciated

   I'm trying to save a little time and frustration by asking opinions from a

great group of people who I think are more knowledgeable about acoustics than

are on most sites.



   Thanks to all.









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Thanks Andrew and Jimbo for your input.

Haven't decided what to do yet.

Just wondering if it is possible to buy somewhere a saddle slightly lower and

already prefabricated saddle so I could just pull out the other one and set the

new one in with

out grinding it down. I'm not so good at that sort of thing.

Also,  what would a compensated saddle do? I wonder why Martin didn't put one on

it when they made it.

I think Martin now makes light/medium strings that are in between the light and

heavy.Only they aren't coated.  What would you think of trying those? How about

the coated strings vs the uncoated. What is your preference?

Andrew, you mentioned the bluegrass strings. Are they the same?

Also I don't want to lose any volume in the treble. Think that would happen with

the lighter strings?

My playing style is kind of like whatever. I do a lot of strumming, some finger

picking and rarely use a pick.

I just might be asking for too much but I have had some problems before on other

guitars with so called certified repair techs that fixed things in a permenant

way that I could not reverse and some luthiers that want to do what they want to

do and not listen to what I am trying to do. They just say this is the way I do

it and that's that. But thier approaches to solution can be different from one

to another. I just really love this guitar and just want it to play easier and

first of all, do no harm. (I just wonder if someone will come back with "buy a

Taylor"

Thanks again for the input.

 

 

 





--- On Thu, 7/2/09, Andrew Perry <andrew@...> wrote:





From: Andrew Perry <andrew@...>

Subject: RE: [Acoustic Guitarist Guild] Best strings for Martin D35

To: acousticguitaristguild@yahoogroups.com

Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 7:53 AM





Well Waylan, you have already said your options.

You already know me as a fan of heavier strings, but that is subjective.



I know the D35 model well - had a few, including a 1973 (bad year) which

was, one of the finest Martins I ever had. A pal owns it now, and keeps

mediums on it and they feel like extra lights. The big tonal aspect of D35s

(IMHO) is the full round bass end).



So:



Option 1. Leave the action where it is, and try one set of Daddario/Martin

lights - (12-53) P/B for durability and tension, Bronze for tone and perhaps

a tad less tension (I'm not sure about this).



Option 2. Get a slightly lower nut made up (keeping the old one) and put on

Mediums (13-56)



Option 3. If you are a light fingerpicker) lower nut as above AND use

lights.



An inbetweeny option are Med/lights, or bluegrass gauge (12,16,25,35,45,56)

- I love 'em)



ACTION : If the action is good at the first position, check out the relief -

as a tiny touch of adjustment on the truss rod might help.



General Action Height: for light gauge I would suggest a height above the

12th fret of at least .070" (top e) .090"  (as recommended on the Stewmac

gauge). I use this on my smaller guitars with lights.



For mediums/bluegrass - I tend to prefer more like .090 (top) and .120

(bass). (plectrum use)





Another thought: Regarding saddles - whilst we would all prefer a good lump

of ivory, or at least bleached bone, the Tusq option is very good and can be

bought with compensation for the B string. If you have a local luthier

repairer, it is best for both if you tell him/her exactly what string height

at the 12th you want. If not a Tusq Saddle is easy and cheapish to buy, for

a DIY job.



Final thought - if you can get 'em, British strings by "Newtone" are

slightly lower in tension than mst, and very good.



Hope this helps,





Andrew Perry



Elderly, British, Opinionated, and Grumpy, but musical















-----Original Message-----

From: acousticguitaristguild@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:acousticguitaristguild@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wayoutwaylan

Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 6:20 AM

To: acousticguitaristguild@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Acoustic Guitarist Guild] Best strings for Martin D35



I recently purchased a Martin D35 2008 model.

Love the sound as it is now.

great intonation etc.

It has coated D Addario Mediums on it now.

It as far as I can tell has never been modified in any way other than the

string change.

The saddle is bone and is high.

Action is probably best described as medium.

Neck is straight. guitar is mint.

Only problem I have is playability

Open chords are easy enough but I would like to play the bar chords easier.

I have had some advise on what to do like--- lower the saddle, truss rod

adjustment, setup etc.

The problem I have with these recommendations is that - been there, done

that on other Martin guitars.  It has always been a trade off for tone in my

opinion.

I would like to get some opinions from some of you luthiers out there and/or

some people who have had the same experience on thier own guitars.

If I l change to lighter strings, I will lose some of the volume and tone

will probably change some.

Would be willing to try a shorter saddle but as far as I know, I would have

to trust this to someone who may file saddle down uneven or change the

intonation etc. Have researched on the net for some answers and can't seem

to find any.

Any advise like as to what strings would sound and play better on it will be

appreciated

I'm trying to save a little time and frustration by asking opinions from a

great group of people who I think are more knowledgeable about acoustics

than are on most sites.

 

Thanks to all.

 

 

 





     



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Hi Waylan, a compensated saddle means that the points where the strings go

over it are slanted slightly and the one for the B string is back a

fraction. This is to "compensate" for the string lengths and to give the

best possible intonation for each string. It's a nice to have on most modern

guitars, but not always essential - i.e. if you test the intonation on your

D35 now and all are right on, then no further "compensation" is necessary.

However, it is common that the b might be a fraction sharp.



As I said, the Tusq (brand name) saddles are provided with the correct width

for your martin (measure it to make sure, and will drop into the bridge

slot.

They are provided with this compensation shaping, and all that needs to be

done is to sand down the base to provide the string height you want. (I

agree that this is not as easy as it sounds as the bottom of the saddle

where it fits in the slot must be dead flat).



Again, I'd recommend going to a reputable guitar store, and ask them to fit

a Tusq saddle to give the height of string above the 12th fret that you

want.



Also, as I'd hoped to explain earlier - go my string gauges ...not

descriptions.



Light : 12,16,24,32,42,53.

Medium : 13,17,25 or 26, 35,45,56



Bluegrass/medium light (or whatever) 12,16,24 or 25, 35, 46, 56.

In other words a light top and a medium bottom. Good combination for a

dreadnaught (IMHO)



Even lighter strings than lights will not do this guitar justice, heavier

are not advised.



Don't buy a Taylor ....why downgrade ?



Andy







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Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:22 AM

To: acousticguitaristguild@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [Acoustic Guitarist Guild] Best strings for Martin D35



Thanks Andrew and Jimbo for your input.

Haven't decided what to do yet.

Just wondering if it is possible to buy somewhere a saddle slightly lower

and already prefabricated saddle so I could just pull out the other one and

set the new one in with

out grinding it down. I'm not so good at that sort of thing.

Also,  what would a compensated saddle do? I wonder why Martin didn't put

one on it when they made it.

I think Martin now makes light/medium strings that are in between the light

and heavy.Only they aren't coated.  What would you think of trying those?

How about the coated strings vs the uncoated. What is your preference?

Andrew, you mentioned the bluegrass strings. Are they the same?

Also I don't want to lose any volume in the treble. Think that would happen

with the lighter strings?

My playing style is kind of like whatever. I do a lot of strumming, some

finger picking and rarely use a pick.

I just might be asking for too much but I have had some problems before on

other guitars with so called certified repair techs that fixed things in a

permenant way that I could not reverse and some luthiers that want to do

what they want to do and not listen to what I am trying to do. They just say

this is the way I do it and that's that. But thier approaches to solution

can be different from one to another. I just really love this guitar and

just want it to play easier and first of all, do no harm. (I just wonder if

someone will come back with "buy a Taylor"

Thanks again for the input.

 

 

 





--- On Thu, 7/2/09, Andrew Perry <andrew@...> wrote:





From: Andrew Perry <andrew@...>

Subject: RE: [Acoustic Guitarist Guild] Best strings for Martin D35

To: acousticguitaristguild@yahoogroups.com

Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 7:53 AM





Well Waylan, you have already said your options.

You already know me as a fan of heavier strings, but that is subjective.



I know the D35 model well - had a few, including a 1973 (bad year) which

was, one of the finest Martins I ever had. A pal owns it now, and keeps

mediums on it and they feel like extra lights. The big tonal aspect of D35s

(IMHO) is the full round bass end).



So:



Option 1. Leave the action where it is, and try one set of Daddario/Martin

lights - (12-53) P/B for durability and tension, Bronze for tone and perhaps

a tad less tension (I'm not sure about this).



Option 2. Get a slightly lower nut made up (keeping the old one) and put on

Mediums (13-56)



Option 3. If you are a light fingerpicker) lower nut as above AND use

lights.



An inbetweeny option are Med/lights, or bluegrass gauge (12,16,25,35,45,56)

- I love 'em)



ACTION : If the action is good at the first position, check out the relief -

as a tiny touch of adjustment on the truss rod might help.



General Action Height: for light gauge I would suggest a height above the

12th fret of at least .070" (top e) .090"  (as recommended on the Stewmac

gauge). I use this on my smaller guitars with lights.



For mediums/bluegrass - I tend to prefer more like .090 (top) and .120

(bass). (plectrum use)





Another thought: Regarding saddles - whilst we would all prefer a good lump

of ivory, or at least bleached bone, the Tusq option is very good and can be

bought with compensation for the B string. If you have a local luthier

repairer, it is best for both if you tell him/her exactly what string height

at the 12th you want. If not a Tusq Saddle is easy and cheapish to buy, for

a DIY job.



Final thought - if you can get 'em, British strings by "Newtone" are

slightly lower in tension than mst, and very good.



Hope this helps,





Andrew Perry



Elderly, British, Opinionated, and Grumpy, but musical















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From: acousticguitaristguild@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:acousticguitaristguild@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wayoutwaylan

Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 6:20 AM

To: acousticguitaristguild@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Acoustic Guitarist Guild] Best strings for Martin D35



I recently purchased a Martin D35 2008 model.

Love the sound as it is now.

great intonation etc.

It has coated D Addario Mediums on it now.

It as far as I can tell has never been modified in any way other than the

string change.

The saddle is bone and is high.

Action is probably best described as medium.

Neck is straight. guitar is mint.

Only problem I have is playability

Open chords are easy enough but I would like to play the bar chords easier.

I have had some advise on what to do like--- lower the saddle, truss rod

adjustment, setup etc.

The problem I have with these recommendations is that - been there, done

that on other Martin guitars.  It has always been a trade off for tone in my

opinion.

I would like to get some opinions from some of you luthiers out there and/or

some people who have had the same experience on thier own guitars.

If I l change to lighter strings, I will lose some of the volume and tone

will probably change some.

Would be willing to try a shorter saddle but as far as I know, I would have

to trust this to someone who may file saddle down uneven or change the

intonation etc. Have researched on the net for some answers and can't seem

to find any.

Any advise like as to what strings would sound and play better on it will be

appreciated

I'm trying to save a little time and frustration by asking opinions from a

great group of people who I think are more knowledgeable about acoustics

than are on most sites.

 

Thanks to all.

 

 

 





     



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Buy a Taylor? I'm sure that Taylor owners would hav erespect for the D35.. It's

not an ok guitar it' s agreat guitar.. As far as teh saddle goes.. Their a few

guys on line that make custom saddles ....good ones.. they stock them fo rteh

more populat guitars of which I'm sure teh D35 is one of.. It would probably be

better then the stock unit.. Thus allowing you to shave the original or teh

replacement if you choose..



jimbo

   ----- Original Message -----

   From: wayoutwaylan

   To: acousticguitaristguild@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 6:21 PM

   Subject: RE: [Acoustic Guitarist Guild] Best strings for Martin D35











   Thanks Andrew and Jimbo for your input.

   Haven't decided what to do yet.

   Just wondering if it is possible to buy somewhere a saddle slightly lower and

already prefabricated saddle so I could just pull out the other one and set the

new one in with

   out grinding it down. I'm not so good at that sort of thing.

   Also,  what would a compensated saddle do? I wonder why Martin didn't put one

on it when they made it.

   I think Martin now makes light/medium strings that are in between the light

and heavy.Only they aren't coated.  What would you think of trying those? How

about the coated strings vs the uncoated. What is your preference?

   Andrew, you mentioned the bluegrass strings. Are they the same?

   Also I don't want to lose any volume in the treble. Think that would happen

with the lighter strings?

   My playing style is kind of like whatever. I do a lot of strumming, some

finger picking and rarely use a pick.

   I just might be asking for too much but I have had some problems before on

other guitars with so called certified repair techs that fixed things in a

permenant way that I could not reverse and some luthiers that want to do what

they want to do and not listen to what I am trying to do. They just say this is

the way I do it and that's that. But thier approaches to solution can be

different from one to another. I just really love this guitar and just want it

to play easier and first of all, do no harm. (I just wonder if someone will come

back with "buy a Taylor"

   Thanks again for the input.









   --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Andrew Perry <andrew@...> wrote:



   From: Andrew Perry <andrew@...>

   Subject: RE: [Acoustic Guitarist Guild] Best strings for Martin D35

   To: acousticguitaristguild@yahoogroups.com

   Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 7:53 AM



   Well Waylan, you have already said your options.

   You already know me as a fan of heavier strings, but that is subjective.



   I know the D35 model well - had a few, including a 1973 (bad year) which

   was, one of the finest Martins I ever had. A pal owns it now, and keeps

   mediums on it and they feel like extra lights. The big tonal aspect of D35s

   (IMHO) is the full round bass end).



   So:



   Option 1. Leave the action where it is, and try one set of Daddario/Martin

   lights - (12-53) P/B for durability and tension, Bronze for tone and perhaps

   a tad less tension (I'm not sure about this).



   Option 2. Get a slightly lower nut made up (keeping the old one) and put on

   Mediums (13-56)



   Option 3. If you are a light fingerpicker) lower nut as above AND use

   lights.



   An inbetweeny option are Med/lights, or bluegrass gauge (12,16,25,35,45,56)

   - I love 'em)



   ACTION : If the action is good at the first position, check out the relief -

   as a tiny touch of adjustment on the truss rod might help.



   General Action Height: for light gauge I would suggest a height above the

   12th fret of at least .070" (top e) .090"  (as recommended on the Stewmac

   gauge). I use this on my smaller guitars with lights.



   For mediums/bluegrass - I tend to prefer more like .090 (top) and .120

   (bass). (plectrum use)



   Another thought: Regarding saddles - whilst we would all prefer a good lump

   of ivory, or at least bleached bone, the Tusq option is very good and can be

   bought with compensation for the B string. If you have a local luthier

   repairer, it is best for both if you tell him/her exactly what string height

   at the 12th you want. If not a Tusq Saddle is easy and cheapish to buy, for

   a DIY job.



   Final thought - if you can get 'em, British strings by "Newtone" are

   slightly lower in tension than mst, and very good.



   Hope this helps,



   Andrew Perry



   Elderly, British, Opinionated, and Grumpy, but musical



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   From: acousticguitaristguild@yahoogroups.com

   [mailto:acousticguitaristguild@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wayoutwaylan

   Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 6:20 AM

   To: acousticguitaristguild@yahoogroups.com

   Subject: [Acoustic Guitarist Guild] Best strings for Martin D35



   I recently purchased a Martin D35 2008 model.

   Love the sound as it is now.

   great intonation etc.

   It has coated D Addario Mediums on it now.

   It as far as I can tell has never been modified in any way other than the

   string change.

   The saddle is bone and is high.

   Action is probably best described as medium.

   Neck is straight. guitar is mint.

   Only problem I have is playability

   Open chords are easy enough but I would like to play the bar chords easier.

   I have had some advise on what to do like--- lower the saddle, truss rod

   adjustment, setup etc.

   The problem I have with these recommendations is that - been there, done

   that on other Martin guitars.  It has always been a trade off for tone in my

   opinion.

   I would like to get some opinions from some of you luthiers out there and/or

   some people who have had the same experience on thier own guitars.

   If I l change to lighter strings, I will lose some of the volume and tone

   will probably change some.

   Would be willing to try a shorter saddle but as far as I know, I would have

   to trust this to someone who may file saddle down uneven or change the

   intonation etc. Have researched on the net for some answers and can't seem

   to find any.

   Any advise like as to what strings would sound and play better on it will be

   appreciated

   I'm trying to save a little time and frustration by asking opinions from a

   great group of people who I think are more knowledgeable about acoustics

   than are on most sites.



   Thanks to all.













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Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2215 - Release Date: 07/02/09

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