i heard about this already. old news.

--- In aerobekisjoeperryarea@yahoogroups.com, "joeperrygoddess
<joeperrygoddess@y...>" <joeperrygoddess@y...> wrote:
> 1/10/03, 4 p.m. ET) -- The joint Aerosmith and Kiss tour is
> apparently back on for this summer. Promoters are reporting that
the
> two bands are currently putting together an itinerary that is
likely
> to play mostly in arenas, although some stadium dates are also
> possible.
>
> Neither band is officially confirming the tour, however. Aerosmith,
> in fact, spoke with us earlier about plans for an OzzFest-style
> festival package for the summer, but that's apparently gone by the
> wayside.
>
> Kiss singer-guitarist Paul Stanley was asked last year about
touring
> with Aerosmith, when the rumors first began, but declined to
confirm
> any plans with Aerosmith. "We're in this enviable position that
we're
> still finishing up our farewell tour, and we've already had about
two
> million people say, 'Don't stop,'" Stanley said. "And at that
point,
> we're kind of scratching our heads and wondering what we're going
to
> do next, so we're really kind of keeping our options open. If the
> right situation came along, anything's possible."
>
> Kiss, meanwhile, is preparing for a February 28 show with the
> Melbourne Symphony Orchestra in Australia, as well as three dates
> (March 11-13) at Budokan Hall in Tokyo. Drummer Peter Criss will be
> rejoining the band for these shows, while lead guitarist Ace
Frehley
> has not officially confirmed his participation.
>
> Aerosmith plans to record a new blues-oriented album this spring
> before the tour.
>
> -- Gary Graff, Detroit, and Bruce Simon, New York
>
> i just pulled this off of http://www.launch.com ???!!!??!?!??!?!

hey ya all its in tour news from af1 af1 expects to be able to start
posting official tour dates on friday and the on sale dates hopefully
to be posted next week   have fun seeing the boys

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1/10/03, 4 p.m. ET) -- The joint Aerosmith and Kiss tour is
apparently back on for this summer. Promoters are reporting that the
two bands are currently putting together an itinerary that is likely
to play mostly in arenas, although some stadium dates are also
possible.

Neither band is officially confirming the tour, however. Aerosmith,
in fact, spoke with us earlier about plans for an OzzFest-style
festival package for the summer, but that's apparently gone by the
wayside.

Kiss singer-guitarist Paul Stanley was asked last year about touring
with Aerosmith, when the rumors first began, but declined to confirm
any plans with Aerosmith. "We're in this enviable position that we're
still finishing up our farewell tour, and we've already had about two
million people say, 'Don't stop,'" Stanley said. "And at that point,
we're kind of scratching our heads and wondering what we're going to
do next, so we're really kind of keeping our options open. If the
right situation came along, anything's possible."

Kiss, meanwhile, is preparing for a February 28 show with the
Melbourne Symphony Orchestra in Australia, as well as three dates
(March 11-13) at Budokan Hall in Tokyo. Drummer Peter Criss will be
rejoining the band for these shows, while lead guitarist Ace Frehley
has not officially confirmed his participation.

Aerosmith plans to record a new blues-oriented album this spring
before the tour.

-- Gary Graff, Detroit, and Bruce Simon, New York

i just pulled this off of http://www.launch.com ???!!!??!?!??!?!

Are you talking about the news I posted? I recieved that information from a
friend of mine, LilAeroChick's group 'World of Aerosmith'. Sorry I didn't
credit you there, Aero, I forgot, hehe. But yeah, credit goes to her. :o)



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Dead Or Alive 3



Dead or Alive 3 was Tecmo's first game for the Xbox, and it's quite a
good game. The graphics are still some of the best around, and the
fighting itself is great. There are a few problems however, which you
will read about later in the review.



The game itself plays like almost every other 3D fighter. There are
two enemies on the screen, and you just try to beat the other fighter
senseless. Each character has a health bar that is depleted with
every successful blow to him or her. Each character has about 30 or
40 different moves they can do, ranging from a high punch to the face
to a sweeping attack with their legs. One of the best assets to the
fighting system of DoA3 is the combos. Once you get a good combo
going, you can finish your opponent off with a move that will send
them flying across the screen. This is even more satisfying when you
can send them off the cliff, which will make him/her lose even more
health. This is another cool aspect of DoA3. Most stages have several
different areas that can be fought in, that are only accessed by
hitting your opponent or getting hit yourself off the cliff of a
building or any other high area. This puts a lot of new strategy into
the genre.



The graphics in this game are mind blowing. Each character has so
many little details to them; I sometimes think they are real! The
girls in the game (and there are a lot of them) look even more
impressive. It seems Tecmo spent more time detailing the girls for
obvious reasons. The fighting environments look equally beautiful,
with lots of great textures and details to them. All of these great
visuals run in 60 frames per second, which is beyond me how they
managed to do that Once you see this game, you'll see how obviously
inferior the other 3D fighting games that have come out are.



The music is a mixed bag in this game. Some levels have good techno
music, but other levels music is downright annoying. Fortunately, the
menu music is done by Aerosmith, which really seems to fit in this
game well. What really saves the sound score are the sound effects.
These are possibly the best sound effects I've ever heard in a
fighting game! Every single punch, kick, smash, etc. sounds exactly
as they should. You'd almost think they were actually beating people
up to get these sounds so perfect.



The replay value of DoA3 is about what you'd expect from a fighting
game. You will mainly be playing single player to master the
characters, and you get a lot of replay value when playing
multiplayer matches. In the single player game, there are quite a few
modes like story mode, tag team mode, and more, but these don't make
it as good or a single player game as Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance
for instance.



You can find this for about 30 dollars now, which is a great deal for
such a good game. If you are a fan of fighting games, you should go
pick this up as soon as possible, you won't regret it at all!








By:  Ryan Harper Baer

My appologies that some of this may be a little out-dated.


-= Steven Mentioned on Ultra Sound on MTV =-
Monday (12/30/02) on Ultra Sound on MTV: it was the episode about Rock
Star's possies. Shannon, the assistant and friend to Michelle Branch was
talking about how by being Michelle's assistant she got to meet all sorts of
people. Then she continued on about how she got to meet Steven Tyler and how
exciting it was. Then they played a small clip from the 'Girls Of Summer'
video.

-= Steven and Joe on Rank =-
While they were highlighting Nelly, Joe and Steven were seen in the
background during the Superbowl show. It was on the episode of Rank's top 25
entertainers of the year on E!

-= New Year Eve Dick Clark and Aerosmith =-
Rumors floated around regarding Aerosmith on Dick Clark's New Year eve
special. My guess is that they will be included in the highlights segment of
2002 concert tours. A comment was found that seems to indicate the same:
"Clark will also introduce highlight performances from some of this past
year's most successful tours, including Aerosmith..." Has anyone seen or
heard anything about this?

-= Just Push Play Video =-
Kuba Cichocki writes: The Just Push Play video is original. It was recorded
during the Osaka concert in Japan and mixed with things that have been
showed on the big screen behind the boys. My friend, Radek from Warsaw told
me that it was shown a few times on MTV as the 'Just Push Play' video.

I have just put the "jpp.mpg" - 66 MB file into my download room at
http://www.aerozone.w.pl

The webmaster of aero247.com, Nick Valente, writes: I saw your post about a
'Just Push Play' video. There is one, it's the performance from the United
We Stand concert of them singing 'Just Push Play'. Looking at the
screenshots, I can tell thats not it.

-= Sweet Emotion in YM =-
On page 66 of the January 2003 issue of the YM magazine, under a section
saying what to put on a mixed tape, 'Sweet Emotion' is the suggested song
#3. However, it does call it a "sappy" song. Still, interesting that a
magazine devoted to mainly pop music, suggested you put 'Sweet Emotion' on a
tape!

-= Radio Interview Online with Jack Douglas and Danny =-
http://www.wfmu.org/listen.ram?show=6084
Once you go to the URL, skip your real player forward about 26 minutes into
the stream - that is where the actual interview starts. It lasts about 40
minutes and a lot of cool information is discussed about "This Thing of
Ours" (the movie that Brad plays a small part in, and uses Aerosmith in the
soundtrack), Mob Story - A Hip Hopera, Danny Provenzano's trial stuff, a
touch or two on other Aerosmith matters, Lennon, etc. Don't forget to skip
to 26 minutes into it though... the entire stream is about an hour and five
minutes.

-= Tyler to Act in Movie Tentatively Titled "Sinking Spring" =-
Steven was on the front page of the Lancaster Sunday News with this article.

www.lancasteronline.com

Hollywood takes a new fancy to Plain

By Gil Smart
Dec 28, 2002, 21:06

Can you imagine Aerosmith's Steven Tyler driving a buggy?

James Caan browsing at Central Market?

Aerosmith's Steven Tyler riding in an Amish buggy?

Mariah Carey eating shoo-fly pie?

Could be - if reports of a new Hollywood movie to be filmed in
Lancaster County this spring are on the money.

According to a report by columnist Stu Bykofsky in the Dec. 18
Philadelphia Daily News, the movie, tentatively titled "Sinking
Spring" - and based on the Amish//Pagans motorcycle gang, cocaine
trafficking scandal of the mid-1990s - is scheduled to begin
shooting in Philadelphia and Lancaster in March.

According to Bykofsky and other published reports, the film will
star James Caan as an FBI agent, Aerosmith's Tyler as an Amishman
and Carey as a drug addict.

We're not making this up, by the way.

Reports say the film also will feature a number of actors who star
in HBO's "The Sopranos" series, including Vincent Pastore as a
corrupt sheriff and Tony Sirico and Federico Castelluccio, who will
play bikers who supply the "Amish drug smuggling ring."

Also appearing as a biker will be Dean Winters, who stars in the HBO
series "Oz," and Clare Danes "is mulling the part of the Amish drug
kingpin's wife who snitched on the gang," states PageSix.com.

The film, based on a screenplay by novelist Jack Engelhard, appears
to be (very) loosely based on the case of two unrelated Amishmen,
Abner King Stoltzfus of Ronks and Abner Stolztfus of Bart, who got
caught up in an alliance with Pagan motorcycle gang members. The
Stoltzfuses, who cooperated with investigators in the case, had been
charged with buying up to $100,000 worth of cocaine from Pagans
members they had met while working as roofers and then distributing
it to other Amish youth at weekend social gatherings. Both were
sentenced to a year in federal prison.

A number of Pagans arrested in the case received substantially
longer jail terms.

John Pyfer, the local attorney who represented the Amishmen in the
case and participated in a series of subsequent meetings designed to
warn the Plain community about the dangers of drugs, was unavailable
for comment; Joseph Dominguez, an attorney for Exelon Energy who was
a U.S. attorney in the mid-1990s and helped arrange the meetings,
did not return a phone call seeking comment.

Pennsylvania Dutch Convention and Visitors Bureau administrative
assistant Cheryl Deaven said the county's official tourism promotion
agency had heard rumors of the film, but was unable to confirm any
details about it or its production.

"We have no confirmation or any details about this movie," said
Megan Reedy, acting director of communications for the Pennsylvania
Department of Community and Economic Development, which oversees the
Pennsylvania Film Office. A staffer at the Philadelphia Film Office,
location coordinator Joan Gistele, said that the office had not been
contacted about the film. "But they might not have gotten around to
us yet," she said.

The film is reportedly being adapted from a screenplay by Englehard,
a former Philadelphia Inquirer writer and author of several well-
known books, including "Indecent Proposal." According to Bykofsky's
Dec. 18 column, James "Jimmy" Darren - former teen-idol singer,
actor and director - has been signed to direct the film, written by
Lou Silver and veteran character actor Frank Vincent.

Darren, a native of South Philadelphia, performed at Hershey
Amphitheatre at Hersheypark on Aug. 4.

Vincent, who often portrays mobsters, will appear in the movie as
Caan's FBI partner.

The film reportedly will be produced by either Anthony Esposito, who
has worked with diva Carey before, on the independent
movie "Wisegirls" and "Sweet Science," in which Carey plays a boxing
manager.

According to the New York Post, Danny Provenzano was originally
hired by Esposito to direct the film. But in November Provenzano - a
nephew of reputed Genovese crime family associate Anthony "Tony Pro"
Provenzano - pleaded guilty to racketeering charges, admitting to
four incidents of assault and threats to extort money, including an
incident where he had an underling break another man's thumbs. He
could face a 15-year prison term and was replaced by Darren.

Did we mention we're not making any of this up?

The local tourism industry might welcome the attention generated by
another major Hollywood film; in the mid-1980s, the already
flourishing industry exploded after "Witness," starring Harrison
Ford as an FBI agent who hides out on a Lancaster County farm to
protect an Amish boy, became a big hit.

Ford's co-star in the movie, Kelly McGillis, now lives in Berks
County, near Reading.

Subsequent Hollywood productions set in Lancaster County -
including "Kingpin," starring Randy Quaid as an Amish bowler,
and "For Richer or Poorer," starring Tim Allen and Kirstie Alley as
rich New Yorkers who try to evade the IRS by taking refuge on an
Amish farm - haven't been hits and haven't had the same impact on
the tourism industry.

Still, at least one of the reputed stars of "Sinking Springs" seems
excited about the chance to exchange his usual gaudy wardrobe for
Plain threads.

"I'm there; I'm there," Aerosmith singer Steven Tyler told
Salon.com, which in a September story reported he would be featured
in "a buggy-riding role."

"I love the Amish," said Tyler. "They've got it all together."



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Hey everyone! I just wanted to wish a very Happy 51st Birthday to one of our
Boston Bad Boys, Tom Hamilton! :o)



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welcome 2003! Hopefully it will be even better than the last! Don't forget
to make and keep your New Year resolutions! Drink if you must, but be
careful and don't let friends drive drunk. Take care of yourselves and have
a great New Year!



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Hollywood takes a new fancy to Plain
By Gil Smart


Can you imagine Aerosmith's Steven Tyler driving a buggy?

James Caan browsing at Central Market?

Aerosmith's Steven Tyler riding in an Amish buggy?

Mariah Carey eating shoo-fly pie?

Could be - if reports of a new Hollywood movie to be filmed in
Lancaster County this spring are on the money.

According to a report by columnist Stu Bykofsky in the Dec. 18
Philadelphia Daily News, the movie, tentatively titled "Sinking
Spring" - and based on the Amish//Pagans motorcycle gang, cocaine
trafficking scandal of the mid-1990s - is scheduled to begin shooting
in Philadelphia and Lancaster in March.

According to Bykofsky and other published reports, the film will star
James Caan as an FBI agent, Aerosmith's Tyler as an Amishman and
Carey as a drug addict.

We're not making this up, by the way.

Reports say the film also will feature a number of actors who star in
HBO's "The Sopranos" series, including Vincent Pastore as a corrupt
sheriff and Tony Sirico and Federico Castelluccio, who will play
bikers who supply the "Amish drug smuggling ring."

Also appearing as a biker will be Dean Winters, who stars in the HBO
series "Oz," and Clare Danes "is mulling the part of the Amish drug
kingpin's wife who snitched on the gang," states PageSix.com.

The film, based on a screenplay by novelist Jack Engelhard, appears
to be (very) loosely based on the case of two unrelated Amishmen,
Abner King Stoltzfus of Ronks and Abner Stolztfus of Bart, who got
caught up in an alliance with Pagan motorcycle gang members. The
Stoltzfuses, who cooperated with investigators in the case, had been
charged with buying up to $100,000 worth of cocaine from Pagans
members they had met while working as roofers and then distributing
it to other Amish youth at weekend social gatherings. Both were
sentenced to a year in federal prison.

A number of Pagans arrested in the case received substantially longer
jail terms.

John Pyfer, the local attorney who represented the Amishmen in the
case and participated in a series of subsequent meetings designed to
warn the Plain community about the dangers of drugs, was unavailable
for comment; Joseph Dominguez, an attorney for Exelon Energy who was
a U.S. attorney in the mid-1990s and helped arrange the meetings, did
not return a phone call seeking comment.

Pennsylvania Dutch Convention and Visitors Bureau administrative
assistant Cheryl Deaven said the county's official tourism promotion
agency had heard rumors of the film, but was unable to confirm any
details about it or its production.

"We have no confirmation or any details about this movie," said Megan
Reedy, acting director of communications for the Pennsylvania
Department of Community and Economic Development, which oversees the
Pennsylvania Film Office. A staffer at the Philadelphia Film Office,
location coordinator Joan Gistele, said that the office had not been
contacted about the film. "But they might not have gotten around to
us yet," she said.

The film is reportedly being adapted from a screenplay by Englehard,
a former Philadelphia Inquirer writer and author of several well-
known books, including "Indecent Proposal." According to Bykofsky's
Dec. 18 column, James "Jimmy" Darren - former teen-idol singer, actor
and director - has been signed to direct the film, written by Lou
Silver and veteran character actor Frank Vincent.

Darren, a native of South Philadelphia, performed at Hershey
Amphitheatre at Hersheypark on Aug. 4.

Vincent, who often portrays mobsters, will appear in the movie as
Caan's FBI partner.

The film reportedly will be produced by either Anthony Esposito, who
has worked with diva Carey before, on the independent
movie "Wisegirls" and "Sweet Science," in which Carey plays a boxing
manager.

According to the New York Post, Danny Provenzano was originally hired
by Esposito to direct the film. But in November Provenzano - a nephew
of reputed Genovese crime family associate Anthony "Tony Pro"
Provenzano - pleaded guilty to racketeering charges, admitting to
four incidents of assault and threats to extort money, including an
incident where he had an underling break another man's thumbs. He
could face a 15-year prison term and was replaced by Darren.

Did we mention we're not making any of this up?

The local tourism industry might welcome the attention generated by
another major Hollywood film; in the mid-1980s, the already
flourishing industry exploded after "Witness," starring Harrison Ford
as an FBI agent who hides out on a Lancaster County farm to protect
an Amish boy, became a big hit.

Ford's co-star in the movie, Kelly McGillis, now lives in Berks
County, near Reading.

Subsequent Hollywood productions set in Lancaster County -
including "Kingpin," starring Randy Quaid as an Amish bowler,
and "For Richer or Poorer," starring Tim Allen and Kirstie Alley as
rich New Yorkers who try to evade the IRS by taking refuge on an
Amish farm - haven't been hits and haven't had the same impact on the
tourism industry.

Still, at least one of the reputed stars of "Sinking Springs" seems
excited about the chance to exchange his usual gaudy wardrobe for
Plain threads.

"I'm there; I'm there," Aerosmith singer Steven Tyler told Salon.com,
which in a September story reported he would be featured in "a buggy-
riding role."

"I love the Amish," said Tyler. "They've got it all together."

AEROSMITH's STEVE TYLER Remembers RUN-DMC's JAM MASTER JAY - Dec. 28,
2002

   AEROSMITH frontman Steven Tyler remembered the life of RUN-DMC DJ
Jam Master Jay in "The Best of 2002" edition of Entertainment Weekly
magazine. Tyler wrote, "AEROSMITH toured with RUN-DMC this past
summer, and Jay and I became really close. Our encore was
always 'Walk This Way', and we'd bring out RUN-DMC, and the place
would always just explode. Jay would be off on the side to the left
of Joe Perry, and not five feet from him would be [Jay's] son and his
family. I'd sing the first verse, and Jay would be there with his
turntables, scratching, and I'd go over and stick the mic in his face
to give him a chance to sing where he ordinarily wouldn't. The first
couple of times I did that, he'd get a little embarrassed, but it
became something that we did every night.

"Jay was the shit, man. I used to hang out with him and his 7-year-
old son, who I shared my Jolly Ranchers with — and I don't do that
with anybody. Jay was the guy who first grabbed our original version
of 'Walk This Way' and started scratching over it, you know. He and
the other guys would always come to my dressing room before the show,
and we'd sit and talk.

"He was really a beautiful, open guy. There was something meaningless
about his murder, and I still don't know all the details. I just
don't want to pursue it. The sadness of his death pales compared with
the joy and relevance and inspiration that he gave to the world. He
was the furthest person from being a gangsta that I knew, and I'm
really going to miss him." (Jam Master Jay was fatally shot in a
recording studio in Queens.)
courtesy of blabbermouth.net

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> Hey there everyone! Well, tomorrow is Christmas Eve. I know that
many of you
> will most likely not be on the Internet in the next few days... I
know I
> probably won't. So, I wanted to say Merry Christmas to all of you
who
> celebrate it, and a Happy New Years. To everyone else, have a great
holiday
> with your celebrations!
>
>
> MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYONE
> Love <3
> Shannon
>
> "If you have a candle, the light won't glow any dimmer if I light
yours off
> of mine" - Steven Tyler of Aerosmith
>
>
>
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Hey there everyone! Well, tomorrow is Christmas Eve. I know that many of you
will most likely not be on the Internet in the next few days... I know I
probably won't. So, I wanted to say Merry Christmas to all of you who
celebrate it, and a Happy New Years. To everyone else, have a great holiday
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Well Aeroone I wanted to wish you all a very merry christmas because
I dont know if I will make it before xmas...I hope all get what they
asked for...me unless steven is under my tree I wont be happy !!!
LOL...well take care all....mmuaaaaa Wither

Aerosmith to Release a Blues Album!
The latest news on the up-coming album and more!

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> Hey All
> Jeez I havent been in here in forever but I didnt have a pc so I
> couldnt :(    But anyway I have one again so IM BACK !!! Hope
> everyone has been healthy this summer since I havent talked to
> anyone..Hope to talk to you soon..!!! Wither xoxoxo

gla to see ya back wither hon  glad to see everyone postin in here
also and hope to get the other clubs movin also glad to see ya not
sick no more wither mmuuaaa spinkyy

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'Lizzie' Star Lives Teen Dream
USA TODAY

Actress Hilary Duff has a hit TV show, two movies in the works, two
hot-selling CDs, a line of books and her own fashion doll. And she's barely
15 years old.

''It's a big shock. I never thought anything like this would happen to me.
It's been crazy,'' Duff says.

She may not be a household name, but to the Disney audience, Duff is a tween
idol. Duff is the star of Lizzie McGuire, the highest-rated show on cable's
Disney Channel. Now in its second season, Lizzie also airs on the
Disney-owned ABC network on Saturday mornings.

''Lizzie McGuire is about a 14-year-old girl from Anywhere, USA, just trying
to find her way through life,'' Duff says by phone from the set of The
Lizzie McGuire Movie, due this spring. ''She has dorky parents she's
embarrassed by, an annoying little brother and two good friends who are kind
of dorky. There's also animated Lizzie, her alter ego, who is more sassy
than regular Lizzie, who says things when Lizzie can't say it.''

Lizzie tackles sweet and mostly innocent teen trials, from her first bra to
her first kiss.

In real life, the Houston native is a high school freshman; she's taught by
a tutor and loves math. ''Because I don't go to a regular school, I don't
deal with the pettiness in middle school and high school that Lizzie
faces.'' She loves shopping and hanging out with friends, and she does not
have a boyfriend. ''I don't have time for boys.''

But she has been hanging out with one guy lately. Aerosmith lead singer
Steven Tyler appears on Friday's episode as a Santa Claus.

''He was soooo cool,'' Duff says. Tyler agreed to be on the show if his
daughter Chelsea could play an extra.

''His kids are so well-behaved,'' Duff says between bites of watermelon.

Other celebrities who have appeared on the show include Erik Estrada, pop
singer Aaron Carter and actor Frankie Muniz. Duff and Muniz co-star in teen
spy thriller film Agent Cody Banks, which opens March 21.

Duff made her stage debut at 6 in a touring ballet production of The
Nutcracker and had some minor TV and movie roles before catching her big
break with Lizzie. Older sis Haylie, 17, is also a singer and actress.

When Duff expressed an interest in singing, Lizzie producers made it happen.
Duff sings one track on the Lizzie McGuire soundtrack, and she has just
released a Christmas album, Santa Claus Lane.

A budding Britney Spears?

''Ha-ha. I don't know about that,'' she says. ''But that would be cool.

''The only thing I care about right now is getting my driver's license in 10
months.''



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Metal Edge January 2003 Issue

Standing in line at the grocery store with a package of Deutchmacher
hot dogs is an unusual place for a spontaneous poll about Aerosmith.
Right off route 2, the Colchester Super Stop & Shop on Linwood avenue
is a rush of Friday evening lines, too many hurried people eager to
get home after an exhausting work week.  Jen Nichols is 20 years old,
with long straight black hair and the curiously erotic subtlety of
dark eyeliner emphasizing piercing eyes; the abrasion of rock n roll
is her loud indulgence of choice.  Multiple piercings and an
adornment of metallic bracelets shackling both wrists make it obvious
irrepressible in spite of an embroidered stop & shop polo shirt.
There's an edginess that can be misconstrued as almost being gothic-
until she cuts the word right off, hating being referred to as
Goth.  "What do you like about Aerosmith" she asks, challenging such
a conspicuously odd question with the pointed insistence of sarcasm
and a direct stare.  But her guarded caution evaporates with an
enormous grin when told about this Aaerosmith cover story and an
interview with Joe Perry for Metal Edge.  Jen Nichols is 20 years old
and she listens to Aerosmith something admittedly learned from her
father.  The 1989 master PUMP was her 1st Aerosmith album, she says,
eagerly sharing the story of her friend Erin, forcing her through the
crowded hillside toward the small satellite stage erected on the law
of the Meadows Music Center this past autumn.  Her 2nd Aerosmith
concert since seeing the Nine Lives show in New Haven a few yrs.
Back, she nearly becomes tongue-tied when remember being so close to
Steven Tyler and Joe Perry.  But what is it about Aerosmith?  "The
music", she replies succinctly.   In a contemporary musical landscape
marked by surreal rubber masks and elongated coiffured hair, the
appeal of Aerosmith is the music.

Joe Perry is the consistent embodiment of quiet low slung kewl.  If
vocalist Steven Tyler is the visual focal point of hyperactivity and
lascivious tongue wagging, then Joe, by contrast remains the dark
mysteriousness of Aerosmith that remains deeply rooted in a genuine
affection for rock n roll.  For Aerosmith guitarist, it's still all
about that adrenaline rush of loud guitars, a smoldering first love
that never ceases to rekindle itself.  It's what invigorates him with
youthful enthusiasm and attracts a continual succession of
generations of fans.  For Joe Perry rock n roll is still about the
music.

ME: it is somewhat overwhelming that Aerosmith has such a widespread
impact over successive generations?
JP: yeah I mean when you first discover music it's yours.  It's
something that you've discovered with your friends.  If something
talks to you about music and you become a fan, what you discover at
that point-y'know at that time of your life, that's the touchstone
for everything else.  It's like your thing.  It's not your parent's
music, it's not your older brothers' music it's your own thing.  I
think there's something about Aerosmith that, the roots that we call
ours they tie into a kind of timeless rhythm.  There's this kind of
undercurrent of this R&B thing and that doesn't seem to change from
generation to generation.  And I think once you look past the clothes
that year, and the trend, that kind of music always seems to hold its
own/  we're kinda unique that way, y'know we put out a video now and
then , we get a song on the radio, but we still have that history of
being a thirty year old band.  We're constantly scratching our heads
going "well, are we doing everything just on the strength of what we
did thirty years ago, or is it people still want to hear songs from
last year?" " I think it's a little of both."

ME: but when people start to categorize Aerosmith as icons or use
phrases like greatest American rock n roll band, doesn't that become
a little uncomfortable?
JP: yeah of course there's NO greatest band. I mean there are
certainly some that god blessed with more talent than others.  If a
band is doing what it's supposed to do, which is play live and
entertain, there's a lot of best bands that given night.  Do we get
an award for the longest around, miles traveled?  Yeah but I don't
know about best.  There's always a bigger band and always somebody
who sold more records.  But we have lasted the longest and had a more
sustained career because we've been more universally appealing?
Probably yes, more than any other band in America.

ME: When you look at the enormity of that perspective, at the heart
of the matter, do you ever think "god I'm still just Joe, that kid
from Sunapee Harbor, making French fries at the Anchorage?"
JP: well, I think that's what keeps it normal, that we don't ever
forget that.  That's why we're always kinda like shakin our heads, we
still have that same just keep doing what we set out to do.  We wake
up with the same problems that every band does, but we just keep at
it.   And now it's just turned into this thing that I think part of
it is to see how long we can take it.  I mean I'm still excited about
going our onstage and playing tomorrow night, the bands playing
better than ever…I don't know…I mean what else are we gonna do?

ME: isn't that the secret thought, to retain the feeling in your mind
and heart of being sixteen?
JP: well that's something you can't control.  Everybody gets in a
band for a different reason.  Some peoples' vision of what a band
should be is a lot closer than others.  Clearly there are bands that
get together just because they're pissed at their parent's.  If they
get some success, all of a sudden they go "why am I beating my head
against the wall?" I've done it.  Bands like the Beatles, at the
other end of the spectrum, they conquered the world.  They did more
for music and culture than anybody could ever hope to in their
lifetime.  And it's like what's left to conquer.  Even in a very
small, small, way, I sit down with my guitar and go "well I've
already written some of the best guitar riffs that I think I could
ever write" but then somewhere inside, theirs' a challenge that makes
you go, well who's to say I can't.  What's inspiring for me is seeing
all these young bands come up Y'know an old band for them is Pearl
Jam  they take that same old guitar riff and turn it around just a
little and make a pop song out of it..All of a sudden, it's the
freshest newest thing, cause it's all 18 year olds.  I find that
really inspiring because they're talking a language that I understand
and I have never lost that.  I've certainly taken left & right turns,
but I can still relate to those three guitar chords, y'know.

ME: what you just said do you thing that's the particular method by
which Aerosmith is still able to connect with that initial rush of
what excited you about rock n roll in the first place.?
JP: I think so, I talk to people all the time that are my age and
they love all the same kind of music I do…but they'll see the White
Stripes and go "I don't get it". "What's not to get" they're doing
their thing. I mean you're right that's not Jimi Hendrix but it's the
white stripes and they're doing something fresh and new and to my
ears it's exciting and entertaining.  Do I wish they had a couple
more pop kind of songs that you could hang you hot on? Yeah but when
I saw them play I was entertained the whole time. It's like it's new
music but It's really not.  You talk to the guitar player, Jack and
he's talking about Elmore James, he listens to all the right people
and it shows in his playing.

ME: and mentioning some of the fundamental blues influences how
important is the impact of the BLUES OF FIRE tribute on what will
eventually be the next Aerosmith album?
JP: it had a big effect on us, especially me, it was a real eye
opener cause we've been experimenting with a lot of different sounds,
I think making some really good music over the last few years.  But
here isn't a single band that doesn't come up and say "wow it would
be great if you guys would just do a record that sounded like the
first one" I really didn't get what they were talking about till I
heard Blues of Fire.  I was just kinda like, that's what it is.  It's
that element that we've been kind of missing and it took those
players to play our songs in that format that kind of like resetting
the dial.  I was already kind of going back & exploring our roots and
then that kind of gelled it.  It was like I was looking through the
lens and that thing just twisted the focus knob.

ME: so it's almost like that album brought back the idea of putting a
little bit of dirty swagger into the sound?
JP: well I think that's what's in common throughout our songwriting.
Y'know we've never been headbangers.  We've always been more about
hip shaking than headbanging, y'know what I mean.  We do our share of
fast songs, but it's always gottta have that swing and to me it's all
how you adorn that rhythm.  I think by stripping it back and playing
songs a certain way, you can make more of that.  I think that's what
we have to do.

ME: is they're a danger of becoming too polished and perhaps a little
too rehearsed for rock n roll?
JP: way easy.  That's the most dangerous thing you can do as a guitar
player or as a musician, because unless you really want to be a
technician for technique sake to me. It's more about what you don't
play than what you do play and it's a constant unlearning process for
me.  Sometimes, the best thing for me to do is not play my guitar for
a week, then I pick it up and all of a sudden I'm playing thing that
I just wouldn't think of it I tried.  I defiantly think you have to
unlearn things at least for the kind of music we're talking about.

ME: right because if you thing about it, spontaneity really is the
kind of the piss n vinegar of what makes rock n roll endearing in the
first place.
JP: yeah, yeah, because it's about energy and I'll tell you something
some of the old black blues players they said and felt the same
things that we're talking about. It's really about an expression and
a feeling and certainly you've gotta develop tools to be able to
express yourself to a certain point.  But once you're there don't
lose sigh that that's what's it's all about.

ME: Aerosmith have been touring extensively since the release of Just
Push Play last year.  From that perspective, what is the noticeable
difference between Aerosmith in the studio and Aerosmith live on
stage?
JP: there's always the tension of the live show that makes it great.
The studio is a tool we've come to use it as a place to actually
write and develop music.  We definalty have learned how to work the
studio over the years.  And live I think it's all about the crowd and
getting in there. I mean we certainly wouldn't go in the studio and
play Deam On, but we have these vehicles called our songs that we use
to entertain the audience. And that's why we're there and that's the
adrenaline rush. It's almost a different animal, the band live, which
is why we wanted to keep on the road. We didn't want to take another
year off.  We felt the Just Push Play tour was reaching levels of the
band playing live and we just felt like it was not a good thing to
put it away for a year or two at a time. Especially at our end of our
career.  I mean I don't know how many more years we can keep doing
this at this level which we don't have any interest in coasting.  The
band feels powerful and really strong and full of juice we want to
keep it going until we decide we want to stop.

ME: because you recognize that, what aspects from over a year on the
road will be most essential to your creative process for a new album?
JP: well, I think it's seeing different ages, and they're always
spawning the rhythm of the live show.  When we first started the band
everything we wrote we knew we were going to have to play these song
live. It was the soundtrack of our live performance so it's like
what's going to work the best to make the audience go nuts?  So from
that point of view, we thought about dynamics we thought about
rhythms that work, how long to make a guitar solo, where the chorus
should be those kinds of things.  The last few years, we've seen
really what works and we really have this great catalog of songs.
That going to influence us when we start writing again. It's like
what's gonna get people off?  With that attitude in mind that's where
this next records gonna go.  And if you wanna call it a blues album,
I guess we'll call it a blues records-the format's going to be close
to that anyway.

ME: in that sense with the realization of the blues roots and all
this road work, do you consider O Yeah Ultimate Hits as maybe a means
of closing one chapter to instigate a new one?
JP: it kind of works that way, we felt that way when the book came
out, we felt like that was a cornerstone of our career.  We put a lot
of stuff to bed and I think that this greatest hits records and doing
this tour we're on right now is another one of those kind of
benchmarks. It's like Okay it's time to move on we did the Just Push
Play stuff we worked in ProTools and and developed songs that way..We
had a lot of fun doing it but I think it's time to try something
completely different.

ME: has Aerosmith actually lived up to its full potential, then? Or
it that maybe the fuel that keeps the band going an endless pursuit
that continues to drive you because there's still something left to
prove?
JP" I don't think we've made our best record yet.   Every record we
do the best record we can at that time. But whether it's the first
couple songs that were basically the soundtrack to those early shows
to records that were such big business that you start making little
compromises all down the line, whatever the reason.  I always lose
touch with the record by the time it gets down/ we've turned into
pretty good players that we weren't on the first couple of records,
and we're much better songwriters now.  So I think  that it's a
matter of putting it all together and doing it fast.  It's also the
length of time it takes.  I don't believe records should be made that
take a year to make. C'mon man! It's like that first fucking rush
that you get when you write that first riff is so far away from when
it finally comes out of the speakers-especially with a band like
ours. All these young bands, they go in and make a record in seven
days, and that's it. That's how it should be made.  All the records
that I love and use as a touchstone for my rock n roll Holy Grail
those were all made in a week or two weeks.  It was all about the
feeling and all about the vibe. It's about just letting it rip and
laying it down.  From what the other guys have said to me, they all
feel pretty much the same way about it. I'm anxious to see how it's
gonna go.

ME: the focus of the media is always on you & Steven.  But would you
think that perhaps Joey, Brad, & Tom might really be the heart of
Aerosmith?
JP: there's no doubt that there's a quality amongst all of us.
Steven's the most flamboyant and lives and breathes to be on the
front of the stage.  That's what he wants to do that's what he was
born to do so, naturally that's where the cameras go.  And he writes
most of the lyrics to it's like that's just the natural order of
things.  But everybody plays a part in keeping the whole thing moving
and it couldn't be Aerosmith without the 5 of us.

ME:  it was tried
JP: yeah and it just doesn't work.  It's just a different animal. But
it's as band as I can be when we're all together!

ME: perhaps a collective sense of humor is the key ingredient among
the five of you…
JP: oh definitely I mean we take what we do seriously because we want
to do it right.  Anytime people plunk their hard earned money down
for anything we do we have a lot of respect for that.  But as far as
taking ourselves seriously not much.  As far as taking care of our
fans, making sure they get the best that they expect we take care of
that.  But as far as just what it is we do, we don't have any
illusions, that we're doing anything other than entertaining people
with rock n roll.

ME: ultimately, that's really not such a bad thing…
JP: not at al. Hey it's about quality of life and having a good time
and if you can proved that service that's what it's all about.   I'll
tell you it just blows my mind when I see all these kids out there
and they're having a good time.  They heard Pump & Get A Grip from
either their older brothers or sisters or they caught the tail end of
that whole MTV thing.  Out on the secondary stage out on the lawn,
all the kids are like 15, 18, 20 and that's it!!!

-= Short Review in San Bernardino Sun of Bowl Show =-

Aerosmith in the 'Pink' at Bowl
By Gerry Gittelson

Aerosmith's rock concert Sunday at the Hollywood Bowl felt like a
celebration -- and it some ways it was.

This year marks the Boston band's 30th anniversary, and the energetic,
50-ish fivesome used the Bowl appearance to prove they can still rock with
the best of them -- the Rolling Stones included.

Singer Steven Tyler was particularly effective. His vocals were on key, he
never stopped moving and carousing, and he seemed to feed off the overflow
crowd's energy and enthusiasm.

Early selections "Same Old Song and Dance" and "Dream On" found Aerosmith in
fine form. With a few exceptions, the band played most of its early classics
first before sliding into the newer -- and actually more popular -- material
such as "Cryin" and "Pink."

Guitarist Joe Perry was nearly as active as Tyler, roaming the stage's
various ramps and walkways as the mostly female crowd constantly reached out
and touched him.

Aerosmith (rounded out by co-guitarist Brad Whitford, bassist Tom Hamilton
and drummer Joey Kramer) showed a keen knack for pacing -- which is easy to
do when another hit song is always right around the corner. By the time the
group got around to "Walk This Way" as the grand finale -- complete with
confetti streaming onto the crowd -- the 1-hour, 40-minute performance
seemed to have breezed by in no time.

Kid Rock opened with a surprisingly musical set of party rap rock,
highlighted by "Cowboy" and the new "Picture," during which Sheryl Crow
joined him on stage for a duet.

The Detroit phenomenon used plenty of pyro and loud blasts to punctuate his
performance, but he didn't really need to; he's sold more than 10 million
records, and at this point his material speaks for itself.

From: http://u.sbsun.com



-= Jam Master Jay =-

Report: Questioning in Run-DMC Death
AP

Investigators planned to question a man on Monday in connection with the
shooting death of Run-DMC member Jam Master Jay, according to a published
report.

Senior police officials told The New York Times that the man had been
feuding with Jam Master Jay, whose real name was Jason Mizell, for as long
as a decade.

Investigators said the man, whom they did not identify, had threatened one
of Mizell's associates in a telephone call several weeks ago, the Times
reported in Monday editions. They said the man announced that he was "coming
up" from the South to resolve the conflict, but they did not know of any
recent contact between the two men.

Mizell, 37, was shot by a masked gunman as he played video games Wednesday
night in the lounge of his recording studio in Queens.

From: http://www.infobeat.com



-= Kramer at the Guitar Center in Hollywood =-

Joey showed up around 5:00 at Guitar Center. Everyone there had a good time.
There were photo ops and someone won a snare drum. He was very friendly and
willing to take questions from fans. His son was there too. Joey was there
for over an hour, and was very nice to all the fans. Everybody left with
drumsticks, and he took pictures with everyone as well. There was a pretty
large turn out -- one of the Guitar Center employees mentioned that they
hadn't expected quite so many people to show up!



-= Article in Yesterday's Orange County Register =-

Friday, November 1, 2002
Back in the Saddle

As Aerosmith tours in support of a career retrospective album, singer Steven
Tyler discusses songwriting, fans and the Stones.

By STEVE FRYER
The Orange County Register

Aerosmith's latest tour comes to Southern California at the same time the
Rolling Stones are here.

It also happened in a couple of other U.S. cities. According to some
reports, Aerosmith planned it this way so members could catch Stones shows
as often as possible.

Steven Tyler dismissed that suggestion with a one-word synonym for "steer
manure." He did catch the Stones in Chicago and came away with opinions of
how Mick Jagger, Keith Richards and the band performed.

"Keith was incredible," Tyler said. "Mick is just a shadow of who he used to
be."

As the singer for a veteran band like Aerosmith, he knows how important it
is to deliver a show that does not disappoint long-time fans.

"The people want you to stay with the melody," said Tyler, speaking by phone
from Texas. "They don't want to hear you change it just because you're tired
of it."

Tyler is not tired. Aerosmith's show at the Hollywood Bowl on Sunday night
is part of a tour that promotes "O, Yeah! Ultimate Aerosmith Hits." There
have been previous Aerosmith hits collections, but none as comprehensive as
this 33-song, two-disc set.

With so many songs that can be classified as hits, it becomes more difficult
with each tour to produce a representative set list. There are songs he
wants to include - Tyler mentioned "Deuces Are Wild" and "Nobody's Fault" as
personal favorites he would love to squeeze in - but just can't.

"It's difficult to know what the audience is going to want," he said,
"because sometimes we don't know what kind of audience it is until we see
it. Sometimes, the audience is all teenagers. Last night (New Orleans) was a
mixture of ages. In Philadelphia, it looked like nothing but 9-year-olds out
there.

"But with this album we're supporting, a greatest-hits album, it's easier
because we're doing nothing but old songs."

As for the quality of performance on this and more recent tours, Tyler said
there is no comparison with what people saw and heard in the band's
stadium-filling days of the late 1970s.

"We were ripped to the nines back when we played those shows that are on
'Live Bootleg' (released in 1978)," he said. "We were heavily under the
influence. We weren't bad, but we were getting off on the drugs instead of
getting off on each other."

The whole band is better, he said. Which member in Tyler's opinion has
improved the most over Aerosmith's 30- plus-year career?

"My vote is for Joe Perry," he said, referring to the guitar player and
frequent Tyler songwriting partner. "He's come out of the closet. He used to
hide behind that hair, with those long bangs. Joe is something you don't see
in every band. You just don't see that kind of insane musicianship all the
time. He is the real deal."

Almost all the band's songs on its first few records were credited to
Tyler-Perry. In more recent years, many songwriters have chipped in, leading
to the insinuation that Aerosmith uses what Tyler called "song doctors" to
create hits.

"It's just as hard to write a good song whether it's with Joe or (outside
songwriters) Marti Fredricksen or Richie Supa," he said. "It's birthing. You
push it through the birth canal, maybe you birth it in water ... it's all
the same."

The results have been all the same - a string of hits. Hooking up its songs
with movies, something no veteran rock outfit has done as successfully as
Aerosmith, has boosted the band's popularity. Hit movies such as "Mrs.
Doubtfire," "Armageddon" and "Spider-Man" have prominently used Aerosmith
songs.

And few, if any, veteran rockers have shared Aerosmith's success at getting
its new songs played on radio today. And Tyler knows it and feels fortunate.

"The young DJs today," he said, "are like the chefs at the trendy
restaurants. They want to say 'I'm the first one who served them the
honey-backed ribs on the blue-plate special.' It's really all about what
they think they can discover, not the music or what they believe in."

Tyler believes that pushing those songs, and the albums, on the road is
still the way to go.

With so many shows and so many tours, the concerts kind of blend in his
memory. But he does recall a couple of highlights from the many times
Aerosmith has played in Southern California.

"The California Jam," he said, recalling the second of the megaconcerts at
the now-gone Ontario Motor Speedway, in 1978. "We flew over the place in a
helicopter, and there was just this sea of people, 600,000 people there.

"And then I remember we played at the Starwood in L.A. as Dr. J. Jones and
the Interns, back in '77. A very small place. Even Rod Stewart couldn't get
in!"

Stewart was one of the names Tyler rattled off when asked for his list of
the top five rock 'n' roll singers of all time. "Early Rod Stewart," he
corrected. "Janis Joplin ... early Robert Plant. The Everly Brothers, and
Paul McCartney."

He laughed and said he could relate when told that another lead singer, the
Who's Roger Daltrey, flubbed the entire second verse of "Won't Get Fooled
Again."

"Most people think, when that happens, that you just forgot the words,"
Tyler said. "Hey, there's 20,000 people there and a lot is going on. There
is somebody in the front row taking their shirt off, or some guy is giving
you the finger or somebody is holding up an album cover. It's easy to get
derailed up there, and then you've got yourself a train wreck. That's why
I've got the dumbest lyrics in the world rolling on the screen."

Tyler has kept his memory, voice and body in terrific shape, despite years
of chemical abuse through much of the '70s and part of the '80s and
reconstructive knee surgeries to fix a torn anterior cruciate ligament - the
injury that shelves top athletes for months - a couple of years ago.

How does he do it?

"You've got to adhere to your dietary needs - lots of chips and salsa," he
said. "And gargling with razor blades."

Perhaps another band's lead singer should try it.

From: http://www2.ocregister.com


WEBMASTER'S COMMENT:
Regarding, There are songs he wants to include - Tyler mentioned "Deuces Are
Wild" and "Nobody's Fault" as personal favorites he would love to squeeze in
- but just can't. "It's difficult to know what the audience is going to
want..."

That sounds like bullshit to my ears. "Nobody's Fault" is a song the
die-hards have been screaming for throughout the years. I think there are
very few "true" fans that wouldn't love to see Aerosmith play that song, and
yet they don't. Steven says himself that he'd love to do it, then why won't
they? Come on guys, make "Nobody's Fault" a song you play every night!
Replace 'I Don't Want To Miss A Thing' or something!



-= Aerosmith Remembers Jam Master Jay (launch.com) =-

Aerosmith Remembers Jam Master Jay
November 1, 8 a.m. ET, Launch

Among those mourning the death Wednesday (October 30) of Run-D.M.C.'s DJ Jam
Master Jay, are the members of Aerosmith. The groups have been friendly
since Aerosmith's Steven Tyler and Joe Perry joined the rap trio in 1986 for
a hit remake of "Walk This Way," and Run-D.M.C. spent the summer and early
fall on the road with Aerosmith, closing each night's show with a joint
performance of "Walk This Way."

Aerosmith released the following statement: "We were greatly shocked and
saddened by the news of the untimely death of Jam Master Jay. When we were
down and out and in the depths, Jay and Run-D.M.C. came along and said,
'Come play on our record.' Run-D.M.C. and Jam Master Jay's gift to the world
was a new kind of music for a whole new generation, and their gift to us was
a piece of ourselves back. Jay was scratching before anyone had the itch and
still at the top of his game when we played with him this summer. We will
hear him every night when we play 'Walk This Way.'"

Aerosmith bassist Tom Hamilton tells LAUNCH that the collaboration remains
one of the most significant moments in his band's 30-plus year career. "I'm
still amazed that this many years later people ask about it. I'm amazed, yet
it makes perfect sense. To me, it never felt like ... It felt completely
natural for a couple of white guitar player-singers to go and do a record
with a rap band. It just seemed like a logical progression to me, so I
didn't think of it as this startling breakthrough, but that's the way a lot
of people really look at it. I think the rest of the band really had no idea
that it was gonna be that big."

Aerosmith is expected to pay tribute to their slain friend when the Boston
band performs Friday (November 1) at the Cricket Pavilion in Phoenix.


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Aerosmith Interview from Classic Rock Magazine November 2002 edition

Lubricated with alcohol free beer and animated beyond reason, the
implausibly gregarious Steven Tyler is holding court. Countless
bangles rattle as his hands accentuate further his rapid fire tales
of the Bostonian bands' full title bozo daze of Herculean narcotic
ingestion and serial alcoholic oblivion. And it swiftly becomes clear
that we are sharing the company of a singularly domineering and
utterly unstoppable force. No sooner has another morsel of industrial
sized shrimp disappeared into the recesses of his capacious cake hole
than he resumes once more with his inexorable, loose-lipped
discourse. It's all fascinating stuff granted but what of his partner
in infamy? Poker faced Joe Perry squints enigmatically into the
blazing sun, occasionally allowing himself the rare indulgence of a
wry smile, as Tyler's uniquely colorful vernacular sinks yet
furthering licentious profanity. Perry will offer sporadic measured
insights into what it is that actually makes Aerosmith tick but as is
the live arena, it's Tyler who jealously guards the interview's
center stage. Butt while Tyler is unequivocally a practiced raconteur
par excellence, one cannot help but feel that it's his relatively
silent partner in crime who truly holds the crucial key to the
enduring and fascinating conundrum that is Aerosmith.

Perry the unyielding rock to Tyler's flamboyant roll, has been honed
by the passing years into the ultimate embodiment of guitar slinging
swagger. Hit stately demeanor and Southern European lineage have
coalesced and he positively redefines impenetrable subterranean cool.
Fifty two summers since his birth in Boston Massachusetts, and 32
since he initially hooked up with the former Steven tallarico to form
Aerosmith, the guitarist is marking the release of the bands'
extensive `O Yeah' by giving Classic Rock and eye opening insight
into the inner workings of America's greatest band; a fascinating
saga of paradise lost and paradise regained, stretching from the
bands humblest beginnings to their world beating renaissance of the
present day. It's all here, from their highest highs to their lowest
lows, so read on as Joe Perry adds some extra tasty flesh to the
rawest bone of Aerosmith's greatest hits.

New York born vocalist Tyler was holidaying at his family's privately
owned trow-rico resort in sunappe, New Hampshire, during the summer
of 1970 when he initially bumped into Perry, then working in a local
ice cream parlor. Tyler had already released a brace of singles "when
I needed you" with Chain Reaction and "You should have been here
yesterday" with William Proud and the Strangers, and Perry was
playing guitar in The Jam Band with bassist Tom Hamilton. The three
soon hooked up and after recruiting drummer Joey Kramer and guitarist
ray tabano the band toyed with the idea of calling themselves The
Hooker, before settling on Aerosmith. In the past Perry has said that
when he first got together with Tyler he assumed the singer was
already a rock star purely by the way he looked and acted. "Well not
only is he extremely talented, Perry begins but he already had a song
on the jukebox at the hamburger joint we used to hang around, so he
was two years further down the road than we were. Tom and I were
still in high school when we first met him, still wondering if we
were going to go to college but Steven had already made the
commitment to being a musician and had reached a certain level of
professionalism. Also when you're 17 and 18, 19 and 20 is a big jump.

Given Tyler's experience he was able to guide the fledgling band and
luckily something that could have potentially caused a rift proved to
be a positive intervention. Well we kind of welcomed it because we
were in a very raw rough state laughs Perry, today. Steven's father
was a musician so he had some classical music training in addition to
his natural talent; He came from a very musical family and would put
on little skits at his fathers summer cottages to entertain quests.
He was used to doing that stuff from the time he was a kid, so it all
came very natural to him, but I came from a family that barely had a
stereo in our house. When he came into the band his ear was a little
more finely tuned. What he saw in us was the kind of rough raw rock n
roll thin that he was missing-or at least had been missing-from the
bands that he'd been in before.

Aerosmith played their first gig at Boston's Nipmuc Regional High
School in late 1970. Following a set made up exclusively of hand
picked cover tunes from such formative band favorites as The
Yardbirds and The Rolling Stones, a fight broke out between Tyler &
Perry over the volume of the guitarist's amp. Right from the very
beginning there seems to have been a certain degree of competitive
antagonism between the pair of them. It seemed that this internal
friction would be integral to the band's essential chemistry. When
you are first starting out, Perry says your are trying to make a name
for yourself as well as your band, so theirs a two-way thing goin
on . Over the years you realize that your true strengths come from
everybody working together, but your still always trying to top what
the other guy does and that's what makes the sum of the whole greater
thank its constituent parts. If you can keep that competition
healthy, you can use it for inspiration. Like if Steven comes up with
a great lyric or a great piece of music, I'm going to want to top it
and vice versa. It works to your advantage as long as it doesn't
break the band up. Famous last words, it seems. After a relentless
round of toughening, tightening and touring Aerosmith their classic
line up now in place following the departure of Ray Tabano and the
arrival of Brad Whitford, were finally signed to Columbia records for
a reported $125,000.00 by label boss Clive Davis after he caught the
band live at New York's Max's Kansas City club in August of 1972.
Can Perry remember anything of the celebrations? God, I know we
stayed up all night but we weren't looking down the road. We simply
celebrated that night and that was it. I don't think anybody thought
that everything was going to be fine from now on and that we were
going to have a 30 year career just because Clive Davis said so, we
still had to get up the next day and get to the next gig so we just
took it day by day. Destined for inclusion on the bands eponymous
debut, recorded the following year with producer Adrian Barber, Mama
Kin was a song that Tyler had so much confidence in that he went
along to Eddy's tattoo parlor in Providence Rhode Island and had the
words MA KIN beneath a winged heart, etched onto his left bicep. I
loved that song, so much the vocalist admitted later, before adding
somewhat generously I stole the lick from an old Blodwyn Pig Song.
Did Perry share his confidence in Mama Kin? Not in any particular
song. I felt the band was incredible to play in and play with but I
didn't hang it up on any one song. The night those Gus went out to go
get tattooed Steven felt that was an appropriate thing to put on his
arm. And as it turned out, it seems to have stood him very well.

Aerosmith's breakthrough single Dream On is a song that had it
genesis four years prior to the bands formation. Tyler had written
its original melody back in Tow Rico and after adding lyrics that
exemplified the hunger desire and ambition to be somebody that
Aerosmith felt in those days, he finally presented it to the band
midway through the sessions for their first album. There was only one
problem Joe Perry didn't like it. Back in those days you made your
mark playing live Perry explains. To me a rock n roll is all about
energy and putting on a show. Those were the things that attracted me
to rock n roll. But Dream On was a ballad. I didn't really appreciate
the musicality of it until later, but I did know it was a great song
so we put it in our set. We also knew that if you played straight
rock n roll you didn't get played on the radio and if you wanted a
top 40 hit the ballad were the way to go. I don't know if we really
played it much live in those days, if you only had half an hour to
make your mark you didn't play slow songs, it wasn't until after it
became a single that we really started playing it. Dream On
originally reached 59 on the Billboard charts in December 1973, on
it's re-release in April 1976 not only did it rise to far more
credible #6 it also furnished the band with their very first million
seller. Yet Dream On was to cause yet more friction between the Toxic
Twins. In the live arena Tyler was often driven toward abject
apoplexy when faced with the sight of Perry laughing heartily with
his wife Elyssa during the songs intro. Aerosmith outwardly sure
footed ascendancy toward global fame continued apace during the 70's.
But behind the increasingly gargantuan sales figures enjoyed by
the `Get Your Wings' `Toys in the Attic' and `Rocks' the band
seemingly inexhaustible enthusiasm for high octane boozing and the
cavalier ingestion of life threatening narcotics was gradually
spiraling out of control. I'm an addictive personality Tyler
confessed, I'm high strung and impatient and I've got to have
everything yesterday. By the summer of 1977 Aerosmith had become
peerlessly indulgent: we were drug addicts dabbling in music, rather
than musicians dabbling with drugs, Perry latterly admitted. Entire
cases of vintage wine were regularly polished off a chainsaw was used
in the routing decimation of hotel suites, extension cords were
demanded to ensure that TV sets exploded when hurled from balconies
into swimming pools. And as car crash followed house fire, the bands
capital rapidly dwindled, along with not only their ability to
perform but most tellingly also their camaraderie. A lot of times we
really sucked Perry remembers, but we'd stopped giving a shit.

Toys in the Attic pretty much exemplifies the craziness that
surrounded the bands most overindulgent days and you have to wonder
whether there was ever a time Perry fell dangerously close to
completely losing his mind. I don't know if I ever felt that it got
out of control maybe I was delusional. Maybe if you were standing on
the outside there were times that it looked like we were losing it
but I never felt like we were out of control. That's one of the
hazards of that kind lifestyle. Much later on, when I decided to get
clean, I'd realized that way wasn't working anymore-not artistically,
musically, functionally or emotionally. I knew there wasn't any other
alternative than to get clean. At least it was worth a try, because I
figured if that doesn't work you can still go back out and drink and
do drugs. But that was much later on. During those days in the 70's I
never really felt like were off the tracks. The so called Toxic Twins
relationship was already locked into a chemically hastened free fall
by the time the band recorded 1978's "Draw the Line" album, but it
wasn't until the following December, halfway through the sessions for
Night in the Ruts, that the situation finally came to a head!
Following a bizarre backstage incident in Cleveland Ohio during the
course of which Elyssa Perry threw a glass of milk over Tom
Hamiltons' wife Terry-Perry walked out on the band citing musical and
personality conflicts with Tyler.
There was a feeling in the air when I split, I was getting so much
tension from being around the band that it wasn't fun any more,"
Perry shrugs. "I turned a lot of the energy and angst into fire and
dynamics, and it worked for a while but in the end it just felt like
more trouble then it was worth.
"Anything seemed better than having to get back together in a room
and try to keep the band together. Also, there were other things in
my life- that didn't have anything to do with the other four guys-
that weren't right. So I just felt it was time to move on and try
something else.
"I didn't think much past taking a band out on the road and playing
without all the agate, headaches and freak-outs. And in the end it
solved a multitude of problems. I got the chance to sort out my
personal life, and it gave everybody the change to re-evaluate
himself and find out what it was that we were in the business for in
the first place. It was a painful way of doing it. If we'd been saner
we'd probably have just taken a vacation, and saved everybody the
trouble of breaking the band up. But that's the way we did it, and it
worked."
Just three months later, Brad Whitford similarly announced his
departure from Aerosmith, yet the band continued to soldier on with
raw recruits, Danny Johnson and Jimmy Crespo. If 'Night in the Ruts'
had been a disappointment, then its successor, 'Rock in a Hard
Place', represented nothing more than a lackluster career trough.
Without the electricity formally crackled between Tyler and Perry,
Aerosmith - now little more then an archaic anachronism alongside the
international post-punk zeitgeist - were sounding increasingly like a
spent force.
By 1983, Steven Tyler, Having snorted his entire fortune, was living
in abject poverty and squalor in New York City's Gorham Hotel. The
Joe Perry Project, following a brace of poorly received albums, had
split and gone there separate ways. And the Whitford-St. Holmes Band,
Brad's short-lived collaboration with ex-Ted Nugent sideman Derek St.
Holmes, had almost ground to a halt.
Consequently, and more out of necessity than anything else, the
classic Aerosmith line-up reconvened at the Boston Orpheum in
February 1984, buried their differences and decided to re-form.
When Perry rejoined for the 'Back in the Saddle' tour, how confident
could he have been that he could pull it off? After all, even though
he's stopped drinking, Tyler was still in a permanent state of near
collapse.
"Well, everybody comes to terms with that demon in their own time,"
Perry recalls. "But everybody's hearts and sprits were in the right
place when we put the band back together. We Ultimately realized that
the band was where the strength lay and it was too great a gift to
ignore".
But how was moral? Was their mood entirely celebratory, or was there
an undercurrent of chemical-filled resentment still bubbling beneath
the surface? "Oh, I'm sure there was stuff, but we were willing to
put it aside. The 'Back in the Saddle' tour gave us the platform to
put everything back together- there was a fan base who were excited
to see us play together again - but we still had to come to terms
with our own personal demons. The other things we had to deal with
were' How are we going to make this work in the 80's?

The solutions came from an unlikely quarter. RUN DMC an influential
rap crew from Queens had Ben unraveling their rhymes over the funky
beats of Aerosmith's Walk This Way for some years. Its' evocative
talk of teenage defloration allied to an infectious Perry riff,
featured an irresistible hook line that was well suited to being
given a contemporary hip hop make over. An Aerosmith live favorite,
Walk This Way originally appeared on the 1975's Toys In The Attic and
had previously reached the US top 10 in January 77. It was fm radios
staple no more no less. But Def Jam label supremo Rick Rubin
immedialty recognized it enormous crossover potential. After frenzied
negotiations, Tyler & Perry agreed to appear on Run DMC's pivotal
cover version and also in what become its outstanding accompanying
video. Walk this Way not only returned the Toxic Twins to the upper
echelons of the US singles chart it also gave them their inaugural UK
hit. It provided Aersomith with the shot in the arm they needed. It
also spearheaded the rap/rock crossover although they didn't realize
the significance of the recording at the time we really didn't says
Perry. To me rap sounded like and offshoot of the blues so it seemed
like a very natural thing for us to come in and play on it,
especially when we saw how they were using bits and pieces of rock
records to rap over. It seemed like a very natural way for the music
to go so when Rick Rubin said come over and sit in we thought this
seems like another adventure, let's see how it turns out. It was
pretty thrown together, but as it turned out it did seem to set the
course for the kind of music that's popular today. I wish we could
take credit for looking at it like that, but we really didn't.

The utterly crucial kick start that Walk This Way offered Aersomith's
temporarily stalled career even saw it adopted as the title for the
bands confessional memoirs. Was working on it cathartic experience,
or did it simply open old wounds by raising issues that had been
swept under the carpet? It was cathartic in some way says Perry. It
exorcised some final bits and pieces if internal strife that needed
to be deal with. But here were other things that I think we would
have been better off not talking about. It was kind tough, but we
felt that we had to treat everything with the same microscope. But if
we were to write that book now it would be a different boot. I think
our outlook on our pasts has changed and today we'd be more
forthcoming about something's and less with others. With Aerosmith
returned to the status of serious contenders there was a single
seemingly insurmountable stumbling block that continued to stand in
the way of a full fledged renaissance, their shared chemical
dependency. With their latest album Done With Mirrors flopping badly
and it's attendant tour collapsing into chaos band manager Tim
Collins (also strung out but harboring just enough foresight to
recognize that the end was nigh) made contact with addiction
specialist Dr. Lou Cox through alcholholics anonymous and offered the
band a simple ultimatum, clean up or die.

Getting clean was clearly essential for the band to survive. If
Collins hadn't issued an ultimatum and enlisted the help of Lou Cox
it's questionable whether the band would ever get sober. I did make
an effort to stop drinking during the Back in the Saddle tour says
Perry today. There was a feeling that something had to give, but I
didn't know if it would have ever become a whole group thing. What
scarred the shit out of us was that although we had the band back
together, we weren't able to write a song to save our lives. So we
were already prime for a change. It was just such a simple idea, but
it wasn't within our grasp to think of it like that, because we were
always such a party band with a tear down the walls attitude so for
all of us to all do it at once I don't know it if could have
happened. If you look at the big picture, whatever good or bad
Collins did (the band sacked him in 96 after he falsely accused Tyler
of falling off the wagon) he was amazing for having that vision
because he was in the same boat that we were. Has sobriety now become
completely second nature for the band today, or is staying clean an
ongoing battle that they'll have to face for the rest of their lives?
I think everybody has to deal with it in different ways but I can
never go back to that way of life, I just can't Perry confesses. You
have this thing called euphoric recall, where you remember how much
fun you had when you used to do it but you really can't remember the
hangovers so well, so I have to spend a little time once in a while
thinking about those things, remember the depths that you can get to.
Naturally you don't wan to live in all that pain; you just want to
remember what fun it was. So from that point of view it's always with
you. But it's not like I wake up in the morning and think god I wish
I could have a drink, I just don't. I did get used to having a beer
in the morning and finishing the day off with a shot of jack Daniel's
or 2 or 3 or 4 or 10 and it did become my way of life but when you
don't live that way for a long long time you simply don't think that
way. I'm very comfortable with drinking non-alcoholic beer. I still
wake up at twelve and go to bed at 3 in the morning; it's just that I
now manage to live a lot more in between.

Aerosmith's trademark stylistic collision of New York Dolls androgyny
piratical Rolling Stones swagger and scarf draped bordello sleaziness
developed organically on the mean streets of New York City in 1972.
Across Newbury Street, Tyler recalls, was an antique boutique called
Caprice, where we bought all our clothes, jewelry, earrings, whatever
we needed in the way of looking cool. It it was on the racks at
Caprice, Aerosmith wore it-black lace, feathers, whatever.

Mix matching their existing hand me down hippie chick with garishly
Glam Carnaby street imports over the top thrift store transvestitism
and what Tyler liked to call our air of snotty defiant arrogance,
Aerosmith casually came up with what has since been widely adopted at
the ultimate rock star look. But the band never employed a stylist.
It was always an amalgam of whatever we could get and pick up along
the way, whatever was trendy in those days. I mean, people would come
back from England with bits and pieces of clothing and we'd go that
would be great. Sometimes we'd sew our own stuff or have our
girlfriends do it. That was about the closest we ever got to a
stylist. But Aerosmiths flamboyant sartorial affectations sometimes
had their practical side. Tyler's scarf draped microphone stand for
instance, some of them had pockets sewn in the singer confessed and
I'd weight them with Quaaludes an Tuinals. That way I wouldn't run
out.

Having finally slain the debilitating dragons that they'd been
chasing for well over a decade Aerosmith set to work on a series of
albums (permanent vacation, pump, get a grip and nine lives) that
further substantiated their claim to the title of the greatest rock n
roll band in the world. There seemed to be nowhere else to go, no
further ambition that remained unfulfilled when their tear jerking
rendition of ubiquitous songwriter Diane Warrens' I Don't Wanna Miss
A Thing supplied the band with their first chart topping single and
the most successful recording of their entire career. It seemed
tailored perfectly for the bands sound. Well I don't know if Diane's
1st thought was Steven but she did write it for the movie explains
Perry and aside from the fact that live was In it the producers had
already decided to use other pieces of Aerosmith music on the
soundtrack. And I mean Steven sand the shit out of that song. I don't
know if Dianne originally pictured him singing it but I don't think
it was offered to anybody else. But isn't it a little galling that
your biggest hit to date is a cover? Well yeah but at the time, we
just didn't have the time. We were out on the road so they brought us
in to see the movie and said here's the song this is where it fits
into the move, you can do it if you want. So we were in the studio
within the next 3 days cutting it and yeah we do wish that we'd had a
little more time, so that we could have had a shot at writing it but
it was perfect timing. The song was great people loved it and I don't
think people cared who wrote it.

Surely theirs an underlying irony in the songs title. Didn't memory
loss rob Perry of some of his proudest Aerosmith moments? Not really,
I remember most of the bigger gigs. We weren't that out of it. There
are certainly other periods of my life that have kind of blacked out,
but I remember the first time we played Boston Garden I remember the
first time we played Madison Square, opening for Sabbath in 77. I
remember it just as wells as when we played Wembley last time we were
in England. You'd think that given the history of the band, it would
all be just one big blackout but though there are periods when it's
just kind of a wash, it seems like a lot of the important stuff is
still pretty much in the foreground. Considering Aerosmith checkered
history it's almost incredible that the entire band survived into the
third millennium. Is survival itself one of Aerosmith's greatest
achievements? After all drugs killed the New York Dolls, a band whose
attitude closely mirrored theirs, why didn't drugs similarly kill
Aerosmith? Was it seemingly superhuman endurance or simply down to
lashings of dumb luck?

Joe Perry is philosophical: really a little of both. Speaking for
myself I've always felt like I've had an inner survival mechanism,
I've always made that decision not to have that last drink or do that
last bit. Even when I was young and before I started pushing the edge
with chemicals I felt that I had this drive and this survival
instance so that's built in, but then there's the X factor of like
how come I didn't roll my Porsche? I'm not a great driver. That park
is dumb luck, I think. It's just fortunate that I didn't push it that
one extra step.

Aerosmith's lust for life seems utterly unquenchable. It's
exceptionally rare for a band to sound quite so vibrant while
plunging into the fourth decade of their career, but as last years
Just Push Play collection perfectly illustrates Aerosmith's enduing
potency seems utterly immune to the dictates of time & tide. They've
achieved almost every goal possible or a band so is there any
ambition that remains unfulfilled? Ultimately just what is it that
drives them onward when they could simple rest on both their laurels
and bank accounts for the remainder of their natural lives? Out
longevity is part of our achievement, Perry concedes. We were
downstairs in the basement yesterday rehearsing and it's such a
fulfillment of the dream. We were downstairs like kids, 16 yr. olds,
making noise, electric guitars bullshitting, having fun and making
rock n roll!!!! We're constantly going I can't believe we're still
doing this. This is like amazing. And it sounds so trite to say it
like that but after all is said and done and all the How did you do
this? And what did you do there? It's still really about five guys
just getting in a room, playing music and having fun.

It's funny to watch my son who's 15 and has a band and over the past
few months they've actually started to sound like a band. But for the
fact that we have a few more mile under our belts and we can tune a
little better, that's all we're doing. Going down there and trying to
impress each other and imagining there are girls in the room.

MAKING ROCK N ROLL THAT'S ALL IT IS…BUT THAT'S EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!


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Run-DMC's Jam Master Jay Shot Dead

Run-DMC DJ Jam Master Jay (real name: Jason Mizell) was shot dead in
the Jamaica section of Queens, N.Y., tonight (Oct. 30), according to
local news reports. Two suspects were reportedly buzzed into Mizell's
area recording studio, where the rap pioneer was in a waiting room.
With what police say was a .45 caliber weapon, the suspects fired two
shots -- one hit Mizell, 37, in the head and killed him; the second
shot struck an unidentified 25-year-old man in the leg. He was taken
to an area hospital for treatment.

The Queens-bred Run-DMC, which also features Joseph "Run" Simmons and
Darryl "DMC" McDaniels, became the first superstar rap group in the
mid-'80s on the strength of such hits as "It's Tricky" and "Sucker
M.C.'s (Krush-Groove 1)" Run-DMC brought rap into the mainstream for
good after a 1986 teaming with Aerosmith for a remake of the
latter's "Walk This Way." The cut reached No. 4 on the Billboard Hot
100.

BMG Heritage released a Run-DMC "Greatest Hits" set in September. The
group toured with Aerosmith throughout the summer and fall; that
pairing had two concerts scheduled for early December in Ft. Wayne,
Ind., and Valley Center, Kan.


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