Search the web
Sign In
New User? Sign Up
ambisonicbootlegs · Surround sound
? Already a member? Sign in to Yahoo!

Yahoo! Groups Tips

Did you know...
Want your group to be featured on the Yahoo! Groups website? Add a group photo to Flickr.

Best of Y! Groups

   Check them out and nominate your group.
Having problems with message search? Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system.

Messages

  Messages Help
Advanced
New Ambisonia site   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #744 of 853 |
Re: [ambisonicbootlegs] Re: New Ambisonia site

>> Daniel, can you explain more about the motivation for your question?
>
> I'm just trying to figure out what would motivate me to pay to put content
> on Ambisonia.

To access audience. Ambisonia will provide both an audience and an
infrastructure to make it very easy to consume ambisonic work,
quickly.

> As an occasional content producer on Ambisonia and free Ambisonic software
> producer, I guess I'm not representative of the target audience for
> Ambisonia.

You may not be representative of the target audience of the business
model, but you are certainly representative of the target audience of
the site... both as a consumer, and publisher using the free account.

Maybe the 'free' accounts should be able to publish more than 3
recordings. Maybe you'd like to suggest something which you believe
would be appropriate for a free account?

As a guide, Flickr.com allows 100MB per month of uploads. An unlimited
pro account costs USD25/year.

Ambisonic files are large .... lets say averaging 150MB. So an
equivalent 'free' upload rate would be something like 10 files per
year. Streaming audio files will be around 30MB, so then the question
is how often people will stream the file.

Add to that the fact that Flickr uses disk space in bulk (much
cheaper) ... and you can see how Ambisonia could afford to offer
somethign like 3 files. Maybe I should make that 3 files per year?

As I said previously, I am still doing the spreadsheets ... but I'm
very open to thoughts on how this could work.

> For example, if Aaron Heller receives money through Ambisonia for the
> unspecified American west coast symphony orchestra recordings he's putting
> on Ambisonia, will that put him in a position where he'll simply not publish
> those recordings anymore?

It may well. This is the difficult part. The type of content that gets
published to the site will change.

The lawyer has provided me with a 'rights transfer' document that
allows the artist to give rights to the engineer to publish the work.
An other option is that the artist publishes it themselves.

Each recording, in the new site, has both an 'artist' and a 'recording
engineer' associated with it.

That said, I doubt that the unspecified American west coast symphony
orchestra will agree to publish their work ... at least not initially.
If the new site is successful, classical orchestras may see it as a
means to access new audiences.

> Also, if people have to pay to put content, they'll think they're entitled
> to a certain level of service.

That's actually precisely the aim of introducing a business model. Its
not for me to make money (I doubt there'll be much money coming in)
... its for me to be able to dedicate more time to maintaining the
site, or to pay a developer to maintain it. To grow it .... take it to
the next level. The current site has been rotting at the edges for a
long time and has lost much audience due to its poor level of service.
Its 'earn or die'.

The new site has taken me around 2 years to build... squeezing in one
hour here, one hour there. If there was just a little bit of income
coming in it will make a huge impact on the quality of the site.

Lastly, I am optimistic, but cautiously so, about the role that
patrons will play in financially sustaining both the site and
uploaders.

Etienne



Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:28 pm

etienne_dele...
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email

Forward
Message #744 of 853 |
Expand Messages Author Sort by Date

Gentlemen, A new Ambisonia site is coming very soon (around 1 month). I would like to ask everyone to 'hold' any new pieces they have to publish, and wait for...
e deleflie
etienne_dele...
Offline Send Email
Mar 9, 2009
2:10 am

Etienne, This sounds excellent, and very exciting! Hmmm, wish I had more content to justify a beta account... Looking forward to it, Paul...
Paul Doornbusch
pauldoornbusch
Offline Send Email
Mar 9, 2009
6:02 am

... Just to understand: - if I want to upload, I have to pay? - once uploaded and paid, do I have to pay a monthly fee to keep my files available for download?...
Daniel Courville
dkurvyl
Offline Send Email
Mar 9, 2009
12:31 pm

... 3 free, then you have to pay. How much do you have to pay? I dont know yet, still doing the spreadsheets. ... By default, I am following the business...
e deleflie
etienne_dele...
Offline Send Email
Mar 10, 2009
2:45 am

... I'm just trying to figure out what would motivate me to pay to put content on Ambisonia. As an occasional content producer on Ambisonia and free Ambisonic...
Daniel Courville
dkurvyl
Offline Send Email
Mar 10, 2009
2:22 pm

... To access audience. Ambisonia will provide both an audience and an infrastructure to make it very easy to consume ambisonic work, quickly. ... You may not...
e deleflie
etienne_dele...
Offline Send Email
Mar 10, 2009
10:28 pm

My apologies for the delay of the beta-test launch of the new site. I am having problems with the windows uploader. The OSX version works fine, but the windows...
e deleflie
etienne_dele...
Offline Send Email
Apr 22, 2009
4:21 am

Hi Etienne, I can try it out on OSX... Paul...
Paul Doornbusch
pauldoornbusch
Offline Send Email
Apr 22, 2009
4:54 am

I¹m OSX-based, so no problem for me. John ... Re: [ambisonicbootlegs] Re: New Ambisonia site Im OSX-based, so no problem for me. John On 22/04/2009 05:21, "e...
John Leonard
soundmanjohn
Offline Send Email
Apr 22, 2009
7:29 am

... OSX is fine. Aaron...
Aaron Heller
ajh94002
Offline Send Email
Apr 22, 2009
11:37 am

Paul, ... Why not re-submit the 3 you have on ambisonia.com? I should state that all the existing stuff on ambisonia.com can't be automatically brought across...
e deleflie
etienne_dele...
Offline Send Email
Mar 10, 2009
5:30 am

I can test the OSX version too. By the way: 859 downloads, and counting, for "Rosauro - Toccata for Percussion"... Glitch? - Daniel...
Daniel Courville
dkurvyl
Offline Send Email
Apr 22, 2009
5:35 pm

--On 22 April 2009 13:35 -0400 Daniel Courville ... My seed has a share ratio of just over 20 on that file, so if the other three seeds have as well, that...
Paul Hodges
pwhodges
Offline Send Email
Apr 22, 2009
6:21 pm

All, Ok. Lets go with the OSX only version of the Uploader for now. I'll stop trying to find workarounds for the windows Uploader until I get the OSX one out. ...
e deleflie
etienne_dele...
Offline Send Email
Apr 22, 2009
10:23 pm

... I'm not going to try and fix this for now. Again, I do realise that it reflects poorly on the site, and I do apologise for the decay in Ambisonia. The...
e deleflie
etienne_dele...
Offline Send Email
Apr 22, 2009
10:28 pm
Advanced

Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help