Dont knokc it until you've treid it.  I tried it, and now i'm gonna knock it. It
doesnt work. I can almost fool myself htat their is a hint of a theme from teh
first movment in Beatus vir but in the end I expect the themes from all fore
movements piled up like in the 8th, or at the very least, the frist movement
motto in the major key like in the 3th.

Bob

--- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com, doug long <dooglas419@...> wrote:
>
> amen! someday i want to hear it live! what an ending!
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Jota <jorge_salema@...>
> To: antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 4:12 PM
> Subject: [Y! Bruckner] Re: Bruckner's Ninth Symphony
>
>
>  
> > I love to hear the Finale performed and we owe the completionists our
heartfelt thanks for letting us hear what Bruckner was composing at the time of
his death. They have brought those sketches to life and they are fascinating to
hear. Of course, these musicologists are bound to these sketches and the moment
they show up on the page, they must adhere strictly to what has been written.
But we all know that Bruckner was a constant reviser so what has been partially
written here is probably a first cut at an extremely challenging symphonic
movement.
>
> Interesting to know that.
> Regards,
> Jorge F 
>  
>
> --- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com, "John F. Berky" <john@> wrote:
> >
> > I do not usually get into these discussions. Being a discographer, I tend to
stick with facts and avoid opinions. But this has been an interesting discussion
and I am willing to toss in my impressions.
> >
> > When listening to the Finale of the Bruckner 9th as we have come to know it
in its various completions, I always get the feeling that, with the first three
incredible movements, Bruckner may have “painted himself into a corner.” I
think that if he had maintained his mental and physical stamina into the mid
1890’s than Bruckner would have eventually given us a Finale that would have
been the crowning glory of his Ninth Symphony. But the combination of the
inspiration of the first three movements combined with his declining health has
left us with a fascinating torso, but one that ultimately does not sufficiently
round out the rest of the symphony.
> >
> > I love to hear the Finale performed and we owe the completionists our
heartfelt thanks for letting us hear what Bruckner was composing at the time of
his death. They have brought those sketches to life and they are fascinating to
hear. Of course, these musicologists are bound to these sketches and the moment
they show up on the page, they must adhere strictly to what has been written.
But we all know that Bruckner was a constant reviser so what has been partially
written here is probably a first cut at an extremely challenging symphonic
movement.
> >
> > There is also something about the way that the Adagio ends that makes me
feel that Bruckner may have been accepting his fate. The ferocity of the
Adagio’s climax, clearly the most powerful and poignant and groundbreaking a
passage that Bruckner ever wrote, is followed by a heart wrenching passage of
acceptance and resignation. There is nothing else like this in Bruckner’s
music.
> >
> > To me, while I have no doubt that Bruckner wanted to continue on and did so,
I think he knew that the task before him might just be too much for him to
accomplish.
> >
> > So while I look forward to every performance of the Symphony with its
Finale, I still feel, deep inside, that Bruckner knew that the Ninth may just
have to end after the Adagio and he left it to us in a way that lets us
understand his struggle but also brings us to a moment of peaceful acceptance
and as close to his God as we will ever be.
> >
> > John F. Berky
> >
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> >
> > From: antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jorge F
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 2:44 PM
> > To: anton bruckner club
> > Subject: [Y! Bruckner] Re: Bruckner's Ninth Symphony
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I think this is a never-ending discussion and if it ever ends with any
consensus, only time will answer. I dare to opine though.
> > A lot of reasons I agreed with have long been repeated here, but those not
agreeing will never consider them.
> >
> > I once was against the completions myself, actually for quite some time,
until I dared to open my mind and accept the reasons supporting the fourth
movement inclusion.
> > For example, some argue Bruckner wanted the Te Deum to be used as a Finale.
First, as far as I understood, there are technical reasons against it, such as
tone. Next, and still as far I know, Bruckner only suggested it, and after
realizing he wouldn’t be able to finish it, perfectionist as he was. It would
need lots of time to revise the whole, and so on. But the work was always
intended to have four movements.
> >
> > But what seems to me more important is the authenticity issue. Some
statements supporting the completion I agree with concern similar musical works,
such as, for example, Mozart’s Requiem and Mahler’s Tenth Symphony.
> > Whatever people say, it seems to be nowadays a fact that Mozart did not
actually compose, orchestrate, whatever, the whole work, far from it. It was
Sussmayer who did, concerning the most played versions, and others later
corrected Sussmayer’s work (trying to make it more «from Mozart», but still
after his death...). Although, nobody seems to have problems with this famous
actually completed work.
> > Mahler’s Tenth is a different affair, but even more similar to
Bruckner’s Ninth. In the beginning it was seen a sacrilege, but, with time,
the completion began to be more and more played, and is nowadays commonly
accepted.
> >
> > Several facts face the completion.
> > One is the long listening of the uncompleted version. Due to it, some even
forget the work was always intended to have four movements. It is use,
acquaintance, only, that made people accept it three-movements torso as a
completed work, but for what it is worth, it was never intended to be so.
> > Another is a mere personal opponent attitude. I will not waste time on that.
It is useless.
> > (I gave up discussing credos long ago...)
> > A third one I think that also applies, is the fact that the Finale (being in
fact unfinished) cannot compete with the Finales of the Eight (mainly) and Fifth
(for example) symphonies. OK, it happens to be like that, but that also happens
with lots of music, having a movement not as good as the others, but still being
part of it.
> > (for example, I think the third movement of Berlioz’s Symphonie
Fantastique is not so good as the others)
> > But, believe me, giving the completed Finale a chance, you will get
acquainted with it and you will not consider it as poor as you do nowadays. It
is Bruckner music after all.
> >
> > I am familiar with three completions, Carragan, Letocart and
SMPC/Samale-Cohrs (not to mention the Marthé special case). All have strong and
weak points, but all are really accomplished.
> > I suggest everybody to have an open mind and give them a chance.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jorge F
> >
> > (Tiny Southwest corner of Europe)
> >
>

so how do you write for Wanger tubas? I started a peice but now I'm worried I
wrote the tubas all wrong.

Bob

--- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com, del_arte <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Because of the impending anti-SOPA/PIPA protest tomorrow, I've decided I
should post this today and not wait until tomorrow:
>
> Based on some excellent, thoughtful advice from John Orzel, I have decided to
make some changes to the orchestral horn/Wagner tuba parts in the Horn Concerto
in B-flat major that Ray Barnes commissioned me to write through eBay (thus
becoming the first person in the world to ever commission a concerto through the
Internet�I haven't yet sent Ray a private e-mail regarding this).
>
> When I wrote the final barline last year, I intended to be revising the piece
a few years down the line. However, the revisions I am making this year would
most likely go unnoticed by the Audience. There are four difficult passages for
the bass tubas in the Finale: two of them are part of heavily instrumented
stretches of music and therefore not worth taxing the players on, so I have
simplified them. The other two passages, which I'm retaining, are accompanied by
tenor tubas and I think would earn the players an ovation specifically directed
at them.
>
> The other point of change would be of concern only to the orchestral horn
players and perhaps the conductor, and that is that on John's advice, I will be
very clear that the transposition of the tenor tubas is "B-flat alto"
throughout. I'm not doing any of that "8va bassa sempre" followed by "loco" 
followed by "8va bassa" stuff which has confused players and conductors for more
than a century now.
>
> Al
>

I will now let you struggle with the last scetches and what I've said about
them, like Jacob struggled with the Angle, and then we'll meet again when the
dawn breaks and you're walking with a limp... :) -Bert



--- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com, "DAVID" <mr_coleman@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> A switch from the minor to the major key though somewhere along the way!. I
cannot imagine Bruckner to end both movements in the same terrifying way.
>
> David..
>
> --- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com, "Juan I. Cahis" <jiclbch@> wrote:
> >
> > A friend of mine suggested me, many years ago, the usage of the First
> > Movement Coda of the Ninth as a Coda for its Finale. It fits very well,
> > and then you will have a Finale fully composed by Bruckner (excepting for
> > the orchestration of some segments, of course). It is similar as in the
> > case of the Seventh Symphony, where its First Movement and its Finale end
> > very similarly.
> >
> > It is an interesting idea, worth to be considered.
> >
> > -----
> >
> > Gracias
> >
> > Juan I. Cahis
> > Santiago de Chile
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 18-01-12 7:46, "bertbrouwer62" <bertbrouwer62@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Hello Al, All,
> > >
> > >Riccardo Chailly's harsh, but nevertheless quite accurate findings may
> > >have been influenced by his expectations after the Ninth first three
> > >movements. In it's own right however, as seen apart from this first three
> > >movements of the Ninth symphony, I personally consider it to be a
> > >marvelous piece of music and as I pointed out, I have already come to
> > >peace with this piece of music, constructing it into a movement
> > >(including a completely logical and fulfilling coda derived from the
> > >existing material) that opens up a door to a totally new perspective.
> > >This "Meet & Greet"-CD with Anton Bruckner is still there for anyone to
> > >win who can add up one plus one and really understands what Bruckner was
> > >aiming at. And, as your quizmaster, let me give you one extra clue to
> > >figure this out: you really shouldn't believe everyhing the papers
> > >say.... :)
> > >
> > >Bert
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com, del_arte <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Mmm, yes, let's not be like Stalin on Shostokovich's Ninth.
> > >>
> > >> But maybe Robert Simpson would have had a much more positive view of
> > >>the Finale of Bruckner's Ninth if in his lifetime it had been available
> > >>to him as much material as has been collected now. What we have of the
> > >>Finale today, in my opinion, concords with Simpson's view of Bruckner's
> > >>Symphonies as a "quest for pacification."
> > >>
> > >> Al
> > >>
> > >> --- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com, "bertbrouwer62"
> > >><bertbrouwer62@> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Dear friends,
> > >> >
> > >> > So here we are with this so-called "unfinished finale", which is very
> > >>much inspired by the Vienna First. Riccardo Chailly apparently hoped and
> > >>wished for, and maybe simply even expected a highly sophisticated,
> > >>spiritual and lofty finale, which pushes the boundries of compositional
> > >>writing even further than that of the Adagio. Instead he finds himself
> > >>confronted with a piece of music which he regards as much simpler,
> > >>straightforward and sometimes almost even scholastic in writing. So he
> > >>abandoned it, saying it just isn't fitting as finale.
> > >> >
> > >> > Benjamin Cohrs reacted on this be saying that Bruckner is free to
> > >>write whatever he likes. I totally agree. Bruckner has now obligations
> > >>towards us whatsoever. So if Bruckner one day intents to live up to our
> > >>expectations in writing a highly sophisticated, spiritual and lofty
> > >>finale, which pushes the boundries of compositional writing even further
> > >>than that of the Adagio, and for that preparing some sheets of paper on
> > >>top of the first he writes "Finale", and then on the next day he changes
> > >>his mind and writes something completely different, then he is
> > >>completely free to do so.... :)
> > >> >
> > >> > Bert Brouwer
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>

Hello Marco,

I think this is gonna be a long night, since this group seems to prefer fighting
windmills, instead of being bold and brave enough to think the unthinkable and
ask the really daring questions. Maybe you would like to take a risk again? I
still have here this tantalizing "Meet & Greet"-CD, you know, so you may get
what you ask for after all.... :) -Bert




--- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com, "mcastel" <castellinux@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Well said, Bert. But I also like taking some risks, from time to time... ;)
>
> --- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com, "bertbrouwer62" <bertbrouwer62@>
wrote:
> >
> > Hello Marco,
> >
> > Be careful what you wish for... :) - Bert
> >
> > --- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com, Marco Castellani <castellinux@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Bert,
> > >
> > > from the main page of our group, under "Group Email  Addresses", you can
> > > find an email address for unsubscribing...
> > > ... even if, if you allow me to add a personal statement, I hope you'll
> > > decide to stay ;)
> > >
> > > With kind regards,
> > >
> > > Il giorno luned� 9 gennaio 2012, bertbrouwer62 ha scritto:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello Bob,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your reply. I must admit I've asked the moderator to
> > > > unsubscribe me as member, but this apparently hasn't been done yet.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hello Marco, and all...

Don't say I didn't warn you... :)

Perhaps you now understand a bit better why I was rather hesistant in trying to
make my point in this group. I knew there was a barrier to be breached if I
wanted my message to come across (so much fixed opinions) and I still have no
problems with unsubscribing from this group, although by now I think it would be
a shame since we know have come so far.

It's just that it's all clear to me know and it's wonderful. So: "With a little
help from my friends" (Yes, also the Beatles :), let's take this last step and
dare to comprehend what the combination of the last scetches and the Vienna
First still can offer us.

Bert





--- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com, Marco Castellani <castellinux@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello Bert, and all...
>
> yes this is not the first time in the long history of this group... from
> time to time, we have vivid discussions. Possibly, too much vivid, if you
> know what I mean.
>
> On the other side, I have to say that I learned a lot from this recent
> exchange of mail. So I'd like to think about it in positive terms....
> anyway, I encourage everybody to be calm and relaxed, expecially before
> writing. Take it easy, said B.  No, not Brucker, they was called the
> Beatles...  ;-)
>
> For me, I'm not against the completion of anything, by anybody. It was
> sufficient, to me, to have a perception about what beauty is hidden in the
> sketches of the incomplete movement of Mahler 10. Stunning.
>
>
> Il giorno venerd� 20 gennaio 2012, bertbrouwer62 ha scritto:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Marco,
> >
> > I think this is gonna be a long night, since this group seems to prefer
> > fighting windmills, instead of being bold and brave enough to think the
> > unthinkable and ask the really daring questions. Maybe you would like to
> > take a risk again? I still have here this tantalizing "Meet & Greet"-CD,
> > you know, so you may get what you ask for after all.... :) -Bert
> >
> > --- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> > 'antonbrucknerclub%40yahoogroups.com');>, "mcastel" <castellinux@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well said, Bert. But I also like taking some risks, from time to time...
> > ;)
> > >
> > > --- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> > 'antonbrucknerclub%40yahoogroups.com');>, "bertbrouwer62" <bertbrouwer62@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Marco,
> > > >
> > > > Be careful what you wish for... :) - Bert
> > > >
> > > > --- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> > 'antonbrucknerclub%40yahoogroups.com');>, Marco Castellani <castellinux@>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Bert,
> > > > >
> > > > > from the main page of our group, under "Group Email Addresses", you
> > can
> > > > > find an email address for unsubscribing...
> > > > > ... even if, if you allow me to add a personal statement, I hope
> > you'll
> > > > > decide to stay ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > With kind regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Il giorno luned� 9 gennaio 2012, bertbrouwer62 ha scritto:
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Bob,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your reply. I must admit I've asked the moderator to
> > > > > > unsubscribe me as member, but this apparently hasn't been done yet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

I myself will now have a time-out, and it's up to this group if it will be
short, long or infinite, in which case I'll have to leave you with my
'Messianic' version of the Eighth, which all the king's horses and all the
king's men (also) couldn't add up. - Bert

Ideas take time to digest, especially if they are radically different from your
own. But Bert, one thing you could do to help understanding of your ideas is to
write up a pamphlet and post it on Scribd.com or maybe send it to John Berky for
abruckner.com. Hunting through several threads makes it difficult for me to
appreciate the cohesion of your argument.

For example, a long time ago I downloaded Juan's excellent essay examining the
"traditional approach of the printed editions of Bruckner's symphonies." I have
had time to read it through once and I find myself agreeing with a lot of what
he says, but I'm going to need to sit down with it and clear out all the
distractions clamoring for my attention before I feel qualified to say anything
about it.

Bob

--- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com, Marco Castellani <castellinux@...>
wrote:
>
> It's up to this group, yes.
> But it's also up to you, Bert. :-)
>
> Hope to have you here again soon. Possibly the long and winding road (yes,
> still The Beatles) will lead you here again!
> All the best.
>
> Il giorno sabato 21 gennaio 2012, bertbrouwer62 ha scritto:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > I myself will now have a time-out, and it's up to this group if it will be
> > short, long or infinite....
> >
> >
>

I just joined this group, and I have a 2-CD set which I'd like to give away free
(to someone who lives in the U.S. -- which wouldn't cost me very much to send by
First Class mail) but don't know whom to give it to.
It's Bruckner's Sym. # 4 and 7 conducted by Jochum (Dresden Staatskapelle --
rec. 1975 through 1978) on the Seraphim label.
  I don't need this because I ordered the entire Dresden cycle.
I think the finest part of that cycle by the way is his interpretation of the
8th symphony.

If anyone's interested in the CD, please e-mail me at forlino@....

Paul in West Los Angeles

Hello everyone,

I'm back with some good news and some bad news.

The good news is that someone has figured out what the last sketches plus the
Vienna First add up to. He's an organ player, sang in a choir and also wrote one
ore two compositions himself. But above all, Bruckner has no secrets for him.
Actually we even had a good laugh about the last sketches and the Vienna First,
which Bruckner also called his "Kecker Besen" - hence the German expression "Auf
den Besen laden"... :-)

The bad news is that the winner of the "Meet & Greet"-CD isn't a member of this
group and I don't believe he has any intention in joining this group to
enlighten everyone. And neither will I, so this will be a short lived come back
for me. If things are that simple and people still don't hear it, then they just
don't want to hear it.

But there is an alternative: Although they didn't agree with me, you still can
ask John F. Berky, Ken Ward or Ben Cohrs, because they already knew about it
before I first joined this group.

Goodbye everyone!

Bert Brouwer




--- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <roberthappelberg@...> wrote:
>
> Ideas take time to digest, especially if they are radically different from
your own. But Bert, one thing you could do to help understanding of your ideas
is to write up a pamphlet and post it on Scribd.com or maybe send it to John
Berky for abruckner.com. Hunting through several threads makes it difficult for
me to appreciate the cohesion of your argument.
>
> For example, a long time ago I downloaded Juan's excellent essay examining the
"traditional approach of the printed editions of Bruckner's symphonies." I have
had time to read it through once and I find myself agreeing with a lot of what
he says, but I'm going to need to sit down with it and clear out all the
distractions clamoring for my attention before I feel qualified to say anything
about it.
>
> Bob
>
> --- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com, Marco Castellani <castellinux@>
wrote:
> >
> > It's up to this group, yes.
> > But it's also up to you, Bert. :-)
> >
> > Hope to have you here again soon. Possibly the long and winding road (yes,
> > still The Beatles) will lead you here again!
> > All the best.
> >
> > Il giorno sabato 21 gennaio 2012, bertbrouwer62 ha scritto:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > I myself will now have a time-out, and it's up to this group if it will be
> > > short, long or infinite....
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Apparently, some of Bruckner's compositions have opus numbers, according to
Raymond Burrows in his compilation of "Symphony Themes" published by Simon &
Schuster in 1942. Bruckner's Symphony No. 4 in E-flat major, the "Romantic" is
Opus 62, No. 7 in E major is Opus 65 and No. 9 in D minor not only has Opus
number 67 but also the subtitle "Youth." Presumably No. 1 in C minor is Opus 59.

Al

P.S. Norrington's Stuttgart recording of Bruckner's 9th is now available from
the Naxos Music Library. However, since it doesn't include a Finale realization,
I followed it with Carragan 2010 by Gerd Schaller.

Its been a while since posting, but after hearing the second (Wednesday) of
three performances of the complete 9th under Rattle, it seems timely.

First of all, I had not planned this concert in advance of flying from Los
Angeles a few weeks ago.  It was the untimely death of a friend in Linz that
brought me here to this record cold late January and February. Coincidently,
last Sunday my local friends and I had visited the Bruckner birthplace in
Ansfelden and I had listened to the last movement on U-Tube unaware of the
Berlin series.

The performance was excellent, with the Berlin Phil playing as one.  I recorded
the last movement on my camera along with the applause of the full house.  My
seat was on the third row left, so my proximity to the orchestra (and Simon
Rattle) was intimate.

After the performance, I happened to join in conversation with Mr. Phillips, who
earlier had presented a lecture on closed circuit prior to the concert.  He
showed me a series of photos taken the previous evening of all four
collaborators in the reconstruction of the last movement (Samale, Phillips,
Cohrs and ?) while sharing the stage and meeting for the first time together!

I left the Philharmonie exilerated and not feeling the chill air on my walk to
Potsdamer Platz and the U2 back to Prenzlauer Berg.

Anneliese

--- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com, Alan Carrier <alancarrier@...> wrote:
>
>
> Perhaps we should try for a post performance drink for those attending?
>
>
>
>
> To: antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com
> From: john@...
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:20:04 -0500
> Subject: RE: [Y! Bruckner] Bruckner Latest Completion Berlin Philharmonic
Performance
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I think I will be there
>
>
> John F. Berky
> Editor
> www.abruckner.com
> P.O. Box 1026
> Windsor, CT 06095-1026
> USA
>
> Contact information:
> Phone: (860)688-5098
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> jberky@...
> john@...
>
>
>
>
>
> From: antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Carrier
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 6:45 PM
> To: antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Y! Bruckner] Bruckner Latest Completion Berlin Philharmonic
Performance
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> Along the lines of discussion regarding the completion efforts of the IX, is
anyone planning to attend the Berlin Philharmonic concerts in Carnegie Hall in
February.  Rattle will be conducting the latest completion.  There is one
performance.  The Mahler II is one of the other performances.  I will be making
a long overdue return to my old home for this series of concerts.
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> Alan Carrier
> Seattle
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> To: antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com
> From: roberthappelberg@...
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:40:08 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Y! Bruckner] Last sketches + Vienna First = .... :)
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> Ideas take time to digest, especially if they are radically different from
your own. But Bert, one thing you could do to help understanding of your ideas
is to write up a pamphlet and post it on Scribd.com or maybe send it to John
Berky for abruckner.com. Hunting through several threads makes it difficult for
me to appreciate the cohesion of your argument.
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> For example, a long time ago I downloaded Juan's excellent essay examining the
"traditional approach of the printed editions of Bruckner's symphonies." I have
had time to read it through once and I find myself agreeing with a lot of what
he says, but I'm going to need to sit down with it and clear out all the
distractions clamoring for my attention before I feel qualified to say anything
about it.
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> Bob
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> --- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com, Marco Castellani <castellinux@>
wrote:
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> > It's up to this group, yes.
> > But it's also up to you, Bert. :-)
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> > Hope to have you here again soon. Possibly the long and winding road (yes,
> > still The Beatles) will lead you here again!
> > All the best.
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> > Il giorno sabato 21 gennaio 2012, bertbrouwer62 ha scritto:
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> > > **
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> > > I myself will now have a time-out, and it's up to this group if it will be
> > > short, long or infinite....
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As an afterthought, the last of the three performances of the complete is
available to be watched live!  See the link and instructions for viewing:

http://www.digitalconcerthall.com/en/

If unable to hear the concert this evening, it will also be available in the
Berlin Philharmonic archives.

Anneliese

Dear Friends:

I remember that some five years ago, a member of this group (sorry, but I
don't remember his or her name), posted on YouTube an outstanding video of
his/her impressions about "Our World" (as the name of the video) with the
music of Bruckner's Ninth Finale. He/She posted it in five separate
portions, as he/she was "composing" it.

Is really a work of art.

I downloaded the five portions and make an unified MP4 file of about 260
MB, and really, I enjoyed it a lot.

Please, help me to find the author of this beautiful video, for three
reasons:

	 1. To congratulate him (or her)
	 2. To ask him/her if a higher resolution video is available, and if
he/she wants to share it with us.
	 3. If I can upload the actual video to my Dropbox site, and if I can make
it available for this group for a short period of time.

Thanks a lot again.

-----

Gracias

Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile


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Dear Juan,

 

The one I have got is .....(snippet) 

 

Best,

 

George

Απο: Juan I. Cahis <jiclbch@...>
Προς: "Antonbrucknerclub@Yahoogroups.Com" <antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com>
Στάλθηκε: 6:18 μ.μ. Πέμπτη, 9 Φεβρουαρίου 2012
Θεμα: Re: Σχετ: [Y! Bruckner] Our World (video)

 

Dear Georg, do you know his email?

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Gracias

Juan I. Cahis

Santiago de Chile

From: George <glzepos@...>
Reply-To: "Antonbrucknerclub@Yahoogroups.Com" <antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:46:09 +0000 (GMT)
To: "Antonbrucknerclub@Yahoogroups.Com" <antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: ????: [Y! Bruckner] Our World (video)

Brendan O'Connell

?π?: Juan I. Cahis <jiclbch@...>
????: "Antonbrucknerclub@Yahoogroups.Com" <antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com>
????????: 5:36 ?.?. ???π??, 9 ??????????? 2012
????: [Y! Bruckner] Our World (video)

 

Dear Friends:

I remember that some five years ago, a member of this group (sorry, but I
don't remember his or her name), posted on YouTube an outstanding video of
his/her impressions about "Our World" (as the name of the video) with the
music of Bruckner's Ninth Finale. He/She posted it in five separate
portions, as he/she was "composing" it.

Is really a work of art.

I downloaded the five portions and make an unified MP4 file of about 260
MB, and really, I enjoyed it a lot.

Please, help me to find the author of this beautiful video, for three
reasons:

1. To congratulate him (or her)
2. To ask him/her if a higher resolution video is available, and if
he/she wants to share it with us.
3. If I can upload the actual video to my Dropbox site, and if I can make
it available for this group for a short period of time.

Thanks a lot again.

-----

Gracias

Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile

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So whatever happened to htat concerto Ray commissioned, the one that speclated
how Bruckner might have written one?

John

--- In antonbrucknerclub@yahoogroups.com, del_arte <no_reply@...> wrote:
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> Apparently, some of Bruckner's compositions have opus numbers, according to
Raymond Burrows in his compilation of "Symphony Themes" published by Simon &
Schuster in 1942. Bruckner's Symphony No. 4 in E-flat major, the "Romantic" is
Opus 62, No. 7 in E major is Opus 65 and No. 9 in D minor not only has Opus
number 67 but also the subtitle "Youth." Presumably No. 1 in C minor is Opus 59.
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> Al
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> P.S. Norrington's Stuttgart recording of Bruckner's 9th is now available from
the Naxos Music Library. However, since it doesn't include a Finale realization,
I followed it with Carragan 2010 by Gerd Schaller.
>