Hand Cramps



I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or suggestions for easing

(or, even eliminating) hand cramps and, particularly, in my left hand.

I just turned 50, and am wondering if that has an effect.  :-)  Any

lotions or heat/cold therapy ideas are welcomed.



Thanks,



kl

eat bananas is one way, tigerbalm, motrin, stay out of

the cold temperatures, stretch before you start to

play, don't play in a cold garage....

--- Kenny Love <kenlove@...> wrote:



> Hand Cramps

>

> I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or

> suggestions for easing

> (or, even eliminating) hand cramps and,

> particularly, in my left hand.

> I just turned 50, and am wondering if that has an

> effect.  :-)  Any

> lotions or heat/cold therapy ideas are welcomed.

>

> Thanks,

>

> kl

>

>





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Could be arthritis (not unusual at that age- I'm also 50). Ibuprofen is good. I

also use one of those squeeze balls to exercise my hands.





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   To: bassplace@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:35 PM

   Subject: Re: [Bass Place] Hand Cramps





   eat bananas is one way, tigerbalm, motrin, stay out of

   the cold temperatures, stretch before you start to

   play, don't play in a cold garage....

   --- Kenny Love <kenlove@...> wrote:



   > Hand Cramps

   >

   > I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or

   > suggestions for easing

   > (or, even eliminating) hand cramps and,

   > particularly, in my left hand.

   > I just turned 50, and am wondering if that has an

   > effect. :-) Any

   > lotions or heat/cold therapy ideas are welcomed.

   >

   > Thanks,

   >

   > kl

   >

   >



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I am on the other side of the age spectrum (I'm 20) and I used to have

pain in my fingers and joints (I play upright bass mostly, so I also

had shoulder and wrist pain too).  My bass teacher told my entire

studio about two years ago that we MUST warm up before playing to

avoid injury.

Don't stretch or exert yourself, just move your fingers (making a

squeezing motion is great), move your wrists up and down, flex your

elbows and do shoulder/neck circles. When warming up, do not make big,

fast motions or movements, keep it slow and small.  The point is to

warm up your joints and muscles and ease them into playing.

I played on a cruise ship for 2 months this past fall and, since I

warmed up before (almost) every performance, I consistently played

very fluidly and without pain.  I was surprise at how much my left

hand chops suffered from not warming up.  Doing simple exercises is

one of the best things you can do for your playing and your body.

Good luck!

-Shannon Fearon



--- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Larkin" <larkinmj@...> wrote:

>

> Could be arthritis (not unusual at that age- I'm also 50). Ibuprofen

is good. I also use one of those squeeze balls to exercise my hands.

>

>

>   ----- Original Message -----

>   From: mark monillas

>   To: bassplace@yahoogroups.com

>   Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:35 PM

>   Subject: Re: [Bass Place] Hand Cramps

>

>

>   eat bananas is one way, tigerbalm, motrin, stay out of

>   the cold temperatures, stretch before you start to

>   play, don't play in a cold garage....

>   --- Kenny Love <kenlove@...> wrote:

>

>   > Hand Cramps

>   >

>   > I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or

>   > suggestions for easing

>   > (or, even eliminating) hand cramps and,

>   > particularly, in my left hand.

>   > I just turned 50, and am wondering if that has an

>   > effect. :-) Any

>   > lotions or heat/cold therapy ideas are welcomed.

>   >

>   > Thanks,

>   >

>   > kl

>   >

>   >

>

>   Victa, whatsoever you do remember this... If you ain't got no

pocket you can't hold no groove!

>

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Hand cramps could indicate the onset of some form of arthritis or possibly

repetitive motion injury and should probably not be taken lightly. As such, I

would recommend that you seek advice on this from a medical professional rather

than this community of bass players.



   I'm also in my 50's, but well before that, I underwent CTR (Carpal Tunnel

Release) on both hands, and I'm here to tell you that it's serious stuff.



   Rob Smith

   Dona Nobis Pacem





Kenny Love <kenlove@...> wrote:

           Hand Cramps



I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or suggestions for easing

(or, even eliminating) hand cramps and, particularly, in my left hand.

I just turned 50, and am wondering if that has an effect. :-) Any

lotions or heat/cold therapy ideas are welcomed.



Thanks,



kl













[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I agree with you Robert. That's nothing to play with . Sometimes we need to slow

down and just play and feel the music. I'm 45 and had two major strokes and

still playing but I don't do all that flashy stuff.



"Don't allow anyone to discourage or detour you on this destiny journey; they

don't know the blueprint, so they can't tell you the outcome."





>>> Robert Smith <r_a_smith3530@...> 1/17/2008 7:09 AM >>>



Hand cramps could indicate the onset of some form of arthritis or possibly

repetitive motion injury and should probably not be taken lightly. As such, I

would recommend that you seek advice on this from a medical professional rather

than this community of bass players.



I'm also in my 50's, but well before that, I underwent CTR (Carpal Tunnel

Release) on both hands, and I'm here to tell you that it's serious stuff.



Rob Smith

Dona Nobis Pacem





Kenny Love <kenlove@... ( mailto:kenlove%40valornet.com )> wrote:

Hand Cramps



I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or suggestions for easing

(or, even eliminating) hand cramps and, particularly, in my left hand.

I just turned 50, and am wondering if that has an effect. :-) Any

lotions or heat/cold therapy ideas are welcomed.



Thanks,



kl



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Hi,



I've suffered from hand cramps for years with varying degrees,

sometimes the left hand, sometimes the right. (Also had foot cramps at

times). All these during gigs, though not all at once, thankfully! ;)

One reason can also be dehydration or a salt deficiency. (I tried

'Crampex' tablets ages ago but they didn't seem to do anything).



That said, a few years ago, while on the phone with a friend, I

suddenly had cramp and they suggested putting a small amount of salt

in the palm of my hand then dabbing it with my tongue. This apparently

enters it into the system very quickly. I hobbled to my kitchen

cupboard and tried it. Within a minute or two the cramp had subsided.



I now make sure to have with me a few of those little salt packets you

can get from McDonalds, KFC, etc.

NOTE: This may not work for everyone.

I'm not saying to pour large packs of salt into you! If the small

amount in the KFC packs don't work, I might try a little more from a

second pack (if it's particularly bad), but I haven't wanted/needed

more than that.



Another thing - I always used to drink Coke at gigs. I made a decision

a while back to kick the 'Coke' habit and go for clear drinks such as

7-Up, Sprite, though the best for me now is simply soda water and

lime. Mmmmm - refreshing! :)



One more tip - my Ma swears by Tonic Water (with lemon) as it contains

Quinine. Also seems to help.



Hope some or all the above helps.



Steve.



--- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Page" <rickpage@...> wrote:

>

> I agree with you Robert. That's nothing to play with . Sometimes we

need to slow down and just play and feel the music. I'm 45 and had two

major strokes and still playing but I don't do all that flashy stuff.

>

> "Don't allow anyone to discourage or detour you on this destiny

journey; they don't know the blueprint, so they can't tell you the

outcome."

>

>

> >>> Robert Smith <r_a_smith3530@...> 1/17/2008 7:09 AM >>>

>

> Hand cramps could indicate the onset of some form of arthritis or

possibly repetitive motion injury and should probably not be taken

lightly. As such, I would recommend that you seek advice on this from

a medical professional rather than this community of bass players.

>

> I'm also in my 50's, but well before that, I underwent CTR (Carpal

Tunnel Release) on both hands, and I'm here to tell you that it's

serious stuff.

>

> Rob Smith

> Dona Nobis Pacem

>

>

> Kenny Love <kenlove@... ( mailto:kenlove%40valornet.com )> wrote:

> Hand Cramps

>

> I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or suggestions for easing

> (or, even eliminating) hand cramps and, particularly, in my left hand.

> I just turned 50, and am wondering if that has an effect. :-) Any

> lotions or heat/cold therapy ideas are welcomed.

>

> Thanks,

>

> kl

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

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This time last year I was embarking on a 3 month residency in Soldeu in

Andorra with a covers band I knock about with. It was flat out rock, 5

nights a week, often for 3 x 1 hour sets.







For the first couple of weeks until my hands got used to it, I got a fair

few cramps: and they only let up once I changed my soft drink to soda water!

We were drinking a lot of sambuca, and I was on 7-up (full fat) - but I

discovered I could keep going all night no problem as long as I drank loads

of soda water.







If you fill up with sugar from the 7-up, etc you'll also mess up your

electrolytes as the sugar also has an effect on water balance throughout

your system. If you're gigging hard get some salty food in beforehand and

drink shedloads of water.







Andy Watt



www.janeiromusic.com <http://www.janeiromusic.com/>











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Hi,



I've suffered from hand cramps for years with varying degrees,

sometimes the left hand, sometimes the right. (Also had foot cramps at

times). All these during gigs, though not all at once, thankfully! ;)

One reason can also be dehydration or a salt deficiency. (I tried

'Crampex' tablets ages ago but they didn't seem to do anything).



That said, a few years ago, while on the phone with a friend, I

suddenly had cramp and they suggested putting a small amount of salt

in the palm of my hand then dabbing it with my tongue. This apparently

enters it into the system very quickly. I hobbled to my kitchen

cupboard and tried it. Within a minute or two the cramp had subsided.



I now make sure to have with me a few of those little salt packets you

can get from McDonalds, KFC, etc.

NOTE: This may not work for everyone.

I'm not saying to pour large packs of salt into you! If the small

amount in the KFC packs don't work, I might try a little more from a

second pack (if it's particularly bad), but I haven't wanted/needed

more than that.



Another thing - I always used to drink Coke at gigs. I made a decision

a while back to kick the 'Coke' habit and go for clear drinks such as

7-Up, Sprite, though the best for me now is simply soda water and

lime. Mmmmm - refreshing! :)



One more tip - my Ma swears by Tonic Water (with lemon) as it contains

Quinine. Also seems to help.



Hope some or all the above helps.



Steve.



--- In  <mailto:bassplace%40yahoogroups.com> bassplace@yahoogroups.com,

"Richard Page" <rickpage@...> wrote:

>

> I agree with you Robert. That's nothing to play with . Sometimes we

need to slow down and just play and feel the music. I'm 45 and had two

major strokes and still playing but I don't do all that flashy stuff.

>

> "Don't allow anyone to discourage or detour you on this destiny

journey; they don't know the blueprint, so they can't tell you the

outcome."

>

>

> >>> Robert Smith <r_a_smith3530@...> 1/17/2008 7:09 AM >>>

>

> Hand cramps could indicate the onset of some form of arthritis or

possibly repetitive motion injury and should probably not be taken

lightly. As such, I would recommend that you seek advice on this from

a medical professional rather than this community of bass players.

>

> I'm also in my 50's, but well before that, I underwent CTR (Carpal

Tunnel Release) on both hands, and I'm here to tell you that it's

serious stuff.

>

> Rob Smith

> Dona Nobis Pacem

>

>

> Kenny Love <kenlove@... ( mailto:kenlove%40valornet.com )> wrote:

> Hand Cramps

>

> I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or suggestions for easing

> (or, even eliminating) hand cramps and, particularly, in my left hand.

> I just turned 50, and am wondering if that has an effect. :-) Any

> lotions or heat/cold therapy ideas are welcomed.

>

> Thanks,

>

> kl

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

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    I'm a new member to the group, and I'm a little rusty on the puter.

I read the board about the cramps in your hand. I was told once by an

old framer while I was on the road with the band, to eat lots of

bananas and hotdogs. He told me the cramps are from a lack of potasium

in my system. Well I tried it and after a while I found it worked

along with Centrum Silver for us youngens...lol...I'm now 55yrs young

scinse December. Hope this will work for you as well.

Yours Truley,

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> Hand Cramps

>

> I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or suggestions for easing

> (or, even eliminating) hand cramps and, particularly, in my left hand.

> I just turned 50, and am wondering if that has an effect.  :-)  Any

> lotions or heat/cold therapy ideas are welcomed.

>

> Thanks,

>

> kl

>

way I got rid of them was just play through them until they go away...

hands get stronger eventually hand cramps arent a problem.

Hand cramps are usually caused by using excessive force to press your strings.

Try to relax. Look at sting heigh you may need to lower action that is what i

did.  Now it takes less effort to press strings. Search for hand exercise to

keep fingers flexable. Playing until the pain goes away isnt a good idea. Pain

means your doing damage, you may have increased your threshold for pain.  But

eventually corpul tunnel will be a bigger problem. Age 53 :)



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yes, as someone who's had CTS in both hands, and CTR done to both hands, I can

attest to what you say. Add in some beginning signs of arthritis, and it makes

for some interesting (not fun) times. +54  ;-)



   Rob Smith





Thunder <lagnaf982032000@...> wrote:

           Hand cramps are usually caused by using excessive force to press your

strings. Try to relax. Look at sting heigh you may need to lower action that is

what i did. Now it takes less effort to press strings. Search for hand exercise

to keep fingers flexable. Playing until the pain goes away isnt a good idea.

Pain means your doing damage, you may have increased your threshold for pain.

But eventually corpul tunnel will be a bigger problem. Age 53 :)



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]













[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Although I agree that arthritis and carpal tunnel can arise and cause

problems, I still hold my ground back from when this thread first

started.  Of course there are thousands of people who really do have

an illness of sorts which can prevent them from playing, especially

when they get older.  I do not doubt or counter this fact.  However, I

believe that many people are very willing to blame their problems on a

medical condition and don't consider that they might be doing

something wrong.  Being a hypochondriac is an easy way out.

What helped me was to do light movement in my hands, elbows and

shoulders prior to playing.  I play upright bass mainly which is a

much more physically challenging instrument (in my opinion), but I

also have a full time electric gig.  I have to play for many hours

straight every day and I sometimes have pain, but only when I haven't

done my warm ups.  Do 10 reps of a few different exercises i.e.,

making a fist and opening your hand, bending your elbow, rolling your

neck, shoulder circles.  These warm ups are NOT stretches and you

shouldn't exert yourself when doing them.  They are a means of easing

your muscles into more vigorous movement.

Again, try to think about what you could be doing wrong rather than

paying money to seek medical attention.  Of course, if you suspect

that there is a real problem, see a doctor (obviously).





--- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com, Robert Smith <r_a_smith3530@...> wrote:

>

> Yes, as someone who's had CTS in both hands, and CTR done to both

hands, I can attest to what you say. Add in some beginning signs of

arthritis, and it makes for some interesting (not fun) times. +54  ;-)

>

>   Rob Smith

>

>

> Thunder <lagnaf982032000@...> wrote:

>           Hand cramps are usually caused by using excessive force to

press your strings. Try to relax. Look at sting heigh you may need to

lower action that is what i did. Now it takes less effort to press

strings. Search for hand exercise to keep fingers flexable. Playing

until the pain goes away isnt a good idea. Pain means your doing

damage, you may have increased your threshold for pain. But eventually

corpul tunnel will be a bigger problem. Age 53 :)

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

That works with young hands. As you get older, it doesn't quite happen that way!



   Rob Smith





"preston.laack" <preston.laack@...> wrote:

           --- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny Love" <kenlove@...> wrote:

>

> Hand Cramps

>

> I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or suggestions for easing

> (or, even eliminating) hand cramps and, particularly, in my left hand.

> I just turned 50, and am wondering if that has an effect. :-) Any

> lotions or heat/cold therapy ideas are welcomed.

>

> Thanks,

>

> kl

>

way I got rid of them was just play through them until they go away...

hands get stronger eventually hand cramps arent a problem.













[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi!  I have purchased a small hand exerciser - you know one with

springs....? I'd be happy to send you info if you need it - anyway it has

really helped increase my hand strength quickly.  Also, I practice numerous

fingering exercises on a regular basis.  If you'd like a copy, send a note

and I can email you an attachment with the information.



Take care!

Liz



On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:41 AM, preston.laack <preston.laack@...>

wrote:



>   --- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com <bassplace%40yahoogroups.com>, "Kenny

> Love" <kenlove@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hand Cramps

> >

> > I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or suggestions for easing

> > (or, even eliminating) hand cramps and, particularly, in my left hand.

> > I just turned 50, and am wondering if that has an effect. :-) Any

> > lotions or heat/cold therapy ideas are welcomed.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > kl

> >

> way I got rid of them was just play through them until they go away...

> hands get stronger eventually hand cramps arent a problem.

>

>

>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yes, these are the real deal. I got my first one from

the Veteran's Administration Hospital many years ago

when I was seeing them for Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. At

the time they were Patent Pending and didn't have the

black rubber cover that makes it form fit to your

hand.



They are available in different degrees of tension.



Rob Smith





--- Elizabeth Greve' Schwendenmann

<indigobluu@...> wrote:



> Hi!  I have purchased a small hand exerciser - you

> know one with

> springs....? I'd be happy to send you info if you

> need it - anyway it has

> really helped increase my hand strength quickly.

> Also, I practice numerous

> fingering exercises on a regular basis.  If you'd

> like a copy, send a note

> and I can email you an attachment with the

> information.

>

> Take care!

> Liz

>

> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:41 AM, preston.laack

> <preston.laack@...>

> wrote:

>

> >   --- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com

> <bassplace%40yahoogroups.com>, "Kenny

> > Love" <kenlove@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hand Cramps

> > >

> > > I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or

> suggestions for easing

> > > (or, even eliminating) hand cramps and,

> particularly, in my left hand.

> > > I just turned 50, and am wondering if that has

> an effect. :-) Any

> > > lotions or heat/cold therapy ideas are welcomed.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > kl

> > >

> > way I got rid of them was just play through them

> until they go away...

> > hands get stronger eventually hand cramps arent a

> problem.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

I absolutely agree.  In fact, you have some excellent advice here: warming up,

building endurance, economy of energy.



One of the biggest causes of chronic pain from injury is bad habits when

learning to play.  "Playing through the pain" has got to be one of the worst. 

Pain is the body's way of telling us that something is wrong, and it's foolhardy

to ignore its signals.  Regardless of eagerness or inspiration, if you're

practicing and you feel pain, you stop and rest.  The bass isn't going anywhere.



Again, soup, excellent advice.



-----Original Message-----

>From: souperbass <souperbass@...>

>Sent: May 30, 2008 9:35 PM

>To: bassplace@yahoogroups.com

>Subject: [Bass Place] Re: Hand Cramps

>

>Although I agree that arthritis and carpal tunnel can arise and cause

>problems, I still hold my ground back from when this thread first

>started.  Of course there are thousands of people who really do have

>an illness of sorts which can prevent them from playing, especially

>when they get older.  I do not doubt or counter this fact.  However, I

>believe that many people are very willing to blame their problems on a

>medical condition and don't consider that they might be doing

>something wrong.  Being a hypochondriac is an easy way out.

>What helped me was to do light movement in my hands, elbows and

>shoulders prior to playing.  I play upright bass mainly which is a

>much more physically challenging instrument (in my opinion), but I

>also have a full time electric gig.  I have to play for many hours

>straight every day and I sometimes have pain, but only when I haven't

>done my warm ups.  Do 10 reps of a few different exercises i.e.,

>making a fist and opening your hand, bending your elbow, rolling your

>neck, shoulder circles.  These warm ups are NOT stretches and you

>shouldn't exert yourself when doing them.  They are a means of easing

>your muscles into more vigorous movement.

>Again, try to think about what you could be doing wrong rather than

>paying money to seek medical attention.  Of course, if you suspect

>that there is a real problem, see a doctor (obviously).

>

>

>--- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com, Robert Smith <r_a_smith3530@...> wrote:

>>

>> Yes, as someone who's had CTS in both hands, and CTR done to both

>hands, I can attest to what you say. Add in some beginning signs of

>arthritis, and it makes for some interesting (not fun) times. +54  ;-)

>>

>>   Rob Smith

>>

>>

>> Thunder <lagnaf982032000@...> wrote:

>>           Hand cramps are usually caused by using excessive force to

>press your strings. Try to relax. Look at sting heigh you may need to

>lower action that is what i did. Now it takes less effort to press

>strings. Search for hand exercise to keep fingers flexable. Playing

>until the pain goes away isnt a good idea. Pain means your doing

>damage, you may have increased your threshold for pain. But eventually

>corpul tunnel will be a bigger problem. Age 53 :)

>>

>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>>

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

----I haven't replied in a long time , but on this one, I feel I should. When I

first started

playing , If I played too long , I'd get the wrest, & hand cramps also. I'd stop

playing for

the night , wrap my wrist area with Icy hot , & an ace bandage. The next morning

everything was cool. As I got better, the cramps slowly went away. Then one day,

I had to

go see the hand doctor, about a tumor I had, growing on the knuckle of my middle

finger

on my fretting hand. I got the tumor removed & all was good, but while I was

there, I was

looking around the office, & saw some brochures on hand stretches, so I grabbed

some. I

gave some to my guitar friends &, kept one for myself. I started doing the hand

stretches,

before I'd play , & also after I played . It worked like a charm. { no more

cramps } The

bottom line is, get some brochures on hand , & wrest stretching. It does help.

Also, if you

over do it. The Icy hot, & an Ace bandage , overnight does help a lot .  Good

luck , & I

hope this helps.



- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com, Skip Elliott Bowman <skipster@...> wrote:

>

> I absolutely agree.  In fact, you have some excellent advice here: warming up,

building

endurance, economy of energy.

>

> One of the biggest causes of chronic pain from injury is bad habits when

learning to

play.  "Playing through the pain" has got to be one of the worst.  Pain is the

body's way of

telling us that something is wrong, and it's foolhardy to ignore its signals. 

Regardless of

eagerness or inspiration, if you're practicing and you feel pain, you stop and

rest.  The

bass isn't going anywhere.

>

> Again, soup, excellent advice.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> >From: souperbass <souperbass@...>

> >Sent: May 30, 2008 9:35 PM

> >To: bassplace@yahoogroups.com

> >Subject: [Bass Place] Re: Hand Cramps

> >

> >Although I agree that arthritis and carpal tunnel can arise and cause

> >problems, I still hold my ground back from when this thread first

> >started.  Of course there are thousands of people who really do have

> >an illness of sorts which can prevent them from playing, especially

> >when they get older.  I do not doubt or counter this fact.  However, I

> >believe that many people are very willing to blame their problems on a

> >medical condition and don't consider that they might be doing

> >something wrong.  Being a hypochondriac is an easy way out.

> >What helped me was to do light movement in my hands, elbows and

> >shoulders prior to playing.  I play upright bass mainly which is a

> >much more physically challenging instrument (in my opinion), but I

> >also have a full time electric gig.  I have to play for many hours

> >straight every day and I sometimes have pain, but only when I haven't

> >done my warm ups.  Do 10 reps of a few different exercises i.e.,

> >making a fist and opening your hand, bending your elbow, rolling your

> >neck, shoulder circles.  These warm ups are NOT stretches and you

> >shouldn't exert yourself when doing them.  They are a means of easing

> >your muscles into more vigorous movement.

> >Again, try to think about what you could be doing wrong rather than

> >paying money to seek medical attention.  Of course, if you suspect

> >that there is a real problem, see a doctor (obviously).

> >

> >

> >--- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com, Robert Smith <r_a_smith3530@> wrote:

> >>

> >> Yes, as someone who's had CTS in both hands, and CTR done to both

> >hands, I can attest to what you say. Add in some beginning signs of

> >arthritis, and it makes for some interesting (not fun) times. +54  ;-)

> >>

> >>   Rob Smith

> >>

> >>

> >> Thunder <lagnaf982032000@> wrote:

> >>           Hand cramps are usually caused by using excessive force to

> >press your strings. Try to relax. Look at sting heigh you may need to

> >lower action that is what i did. Now it takes less effort to press

> >strings. Search for hand exercise to keep fingers flexable. Playing

> >until the pain goes away isnt a good idea. Pain means your doing

> >damage, you may have increased your threshold for pain. But eventually

> >corpul tunnel will be a bigger problem. Age 53 :)

> >>

> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >Yahoo! Groups Links

> >

> >

> >

>

I'm 49 and haven't played all that much the last few years, but getting

back into it. As I've started playing again I notice the cramps and

general lack of strength and endurance. I bought one of those five

spring hand exercisers and use it while I drive (which I do alot).

Anyway, I hope this does the trick.



Fong



--- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny Love" <kenlove@...> wrote:

>

> Hand Cramps

>

> I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or suggestions for easing

> (or, even eliminating) hand cramps and, particularly, in my left hand.

> I just turned 50, and am wondering if that has an effect.  :-)  Any

> lotions or heat/cold therapy ideas are welcomed.

>

> Thanks,

>

> kl

>

One other thing I'm considering is buying a shorter scale bass, so I

don't have to stretch as much to cover frets. I'm considering the

Fender Mustang reissue. It has a 30" scale.



Fong



--- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny Love" <kenlove@...> wrote:

>

> Hand Cramps

>

> I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or suggestions for easing

> (or, even eliminating) hand cramps and, particularly, in my left hand.

> I just turned 50, and am wondering if that has an effect.  :-)  Any

> lotions or heat/cold therapy ideas are welcomed.

>

> Thanks,

>

> kl

>

sponge balls and general hand exercises do the trick for me and I'm 55

try tapping them on a table top to get them flexed and nimble and stretch them

heat therapy is also good

I play long neck fender p and jazz bases

Rick

From: qtrcollector

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:36 AM

To: bassplace@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Bass Place] Re: Hand Cramps





One other thing I'm considering is buying a shorter scale bass, so I

don't have to stretch as much to cover frets. I'm considering the

Fender Mustang reissue. It has a 30" scale.



Fong



--- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny Love" <kenlove@...> wrote:

>

> Hand Cramps

>

> I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or suggestions for easing

> (or, even eliminating) hand cramps and, particularly, in my left hand.

> I just turned 50, and am wondering if that has an effect. :-) Any

> lotions or heat/cold therapy ideas are welcomed.

>

> Thanks,

>

> kl

>











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-I picked up some great hand & wrist exercise info , from my Ortho Dr.

-- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <highwayjones@...> wrote:

>

> sponge balls and general hand exercises do the trick for me and I'm 55

> try tapping them on a table top to get them flexed and nimble and stretch them

> heat therapy is also good

> I play long neck fender p and jazz bases

> Rick

> From: qtrcollector

> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:36 AM

> To: bassplace@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [Bass Place] Re: Hand Cramps

>

>

> One other thing I'm considering is buying a shorter scale bass, so I

> don't have to stretch as much to cover frets. I'm considering the

> Fender Mustang reissue. It has a 30" scale.

>

> Fong

>

> --- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny Love" <kenlove@> wrote:

> >

> > Hand Cramps

> >

> > I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or suggestions for easing

> > (or, even eliminating) hand cramps and, particularly, in my left hand.

> > I just turned 50, and am wondering if that has an effect. :-) Any

> > lotions or heat/cold therapy ideas are welcomed.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > kl

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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---Also try {Icy hot}. Play until you start to hurt, then stop . Apply the the

Icy Hot, rub it

in real good , then wrap the area with an ace bandage over night. This really

helped me

out a lot. But also stretch before you play , this is also very important . I'm

52 & I hardly

ever get wrist cramps anymore.

  In bass-place@yahoogroups.com, "jollyr465" <jollyr465@...> wrote:

>

> -I picked up some great hand & wrist exercise info , from my Ortho Dr.

> -- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <highwayjones@> wrote:

> >

> > sponge balls and general hand exercises do the trick for me and I'm 55

> > try tapping them on a table top to get them flexed and nimble and stretch

them

> > heat therapy is also good

> > I play long neck fender p and jazz bases

> > Rick

> > From: qtrcollector

> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:36 AM

> > To: bassplace@yahoogroups.com

> > Subject: [Bass Place] Re: Hand Cramps

> >

> >

> > One other thing I'm considering is buying a shorter scale bass, so I

> > don't have to stretch as much to cover frets. I'm considering the

> > Fender Mustang reissue. It has a 30" scale.

> >

> > Fong

> >

> > --- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny Love" <kenlove@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hand Cramps

> > >

> > > I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or suggestions for easing

> > > (or, even eliminating) hand cramps and, particularly, in my left hand.

> > > I just turned 50, and am wondering if that has an effect. :-) Any

> > > lotions or heat/cold therapy ideas are welcomed.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > kl

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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You can do a google search musician hand exercise i use the about.com

site it shows some exercises that will help Im age 54

--- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com, "jollyr465" <jollyr465@...> wrote:

>

> ---Also try {Icy hot}. Play until you start to hurt, then stop .

Apply the the Icy Hot, rub it

> in real good , then wrap the area with an ace bandage over night.

This really helped me

> out a lot. But also stretch before you play , this is also very

important . I'm 52 & I hardly

> ever get wrist cramps anymore.

>  In bass-place@yahoogroups.com, "jollyr465" <jollyr465@> wrote:

> >

> > -I picked up some great hand & wrist exercise info , from my

Ortho Dr.

> > -- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <highwayjones@> wrote:

> > >

> > > sponge balls and general hand exercises do the trick for me and

I'm 55

> > > try tapping them on a table top to get them flexed and nimble

and stretch them

> > > heat therapy is also good

> > > I play long neck fender p and jazz bases

> > > Rick

> > > From: qtrcollector

> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:36 AM

> > > To: bassplace@yahoogroups.com

> > > Subject: [Bass Place] Re: Hand Cramps

> > >

> > >

> > > One other thing I'm considering is buying a shorter scale bass,

so I

> > > don't have to stretch as much to cover frets. I'm considering

the

> > > Fender Mustang reissue. It has a 30" scale.

> > >

> > > Fong

> > >

> > > --- In bassplace@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny Love" <kenlove@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hand Cramps

> > > >

> > > > I would greatly appreciate any advice, tips or suggestions

for easing

> > > > (or, even eliminating) hand cramps and, particularly, in my

left hand.

> > > > I just turned 50, and am wondering if that has an effect. :-)

Any

> > > > lotions or heat/cold therapy ideas are welcomed.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > kl

> > > >

> > >

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