Special Class Scheduled for SWDCOTS
Web Page Design Workshop

I’m excited to announce a NEW class is available at COTS this year at the
Hilton DFW Lakes Executive Conference Center on November 22/23.  Houston
Tidelander web master Rick Brower will teach an extensive workshop to show
Barbershoppers how to create a web page for their chapter or quartet.

Rick has been teaching web page design professionally for many years at the
University of Houston. He will provide a great deal of info during this class
covering the basic as well as more advanced tips and tricks for the experienced
webmasters.  The Workshop will answer the question, "Why have a web site?”
and show you ways to make your website successful. One of the exciting features
of the class will be a hands-on WORKSHOP with the class creating a web site
for SWD COTS 2003.

Registration for the Workshop will cost $130 and includes 3 meals but NOT the
sleeping rooms ($85 single, plus tax) like the other classes held there.
This is certainly a legitimate chapter expense.  Every chapter needs a website,
many have one and can use this class to improve their site.

To register contact Gary Hannah at gnhannah @ sbcglobal.net - he will send
you a form to fill out.

What to Bring
Suggested Requirements for this class include a laptop computer with a text
editor, MS Office or XP, CD Rom Drive, Modem, USB Connection.

Time is Short
We need to get enough men signed up by November 1 to have the class.  So,
talk about this with your chapter board or fellow quartet members and see if you
can send your web page, computer expert to this class and create/update your
web page by the first of the year.  Anyone attending will find a Great Deal of
help after the weekend from a network of computer gurus in an attempt to help
get YOU a successful Internet presence.

An important note: If the future of our Society and your chapter is dependant
on new members and we need to attract younger men to perpetuate the Society
and your chapter, web pages are an important part of that outreach program.
This class WILL help you promote Barbershopping in YOUR area in many ways.

Contact Gary ASAP and sign up NOW.

Grady Kerr
Marketing and PR Vice President SWD


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Hey, congrats! Now let's bust out some liar, I mean lawyer jokes to make her
feel good about being one. If I get in trouble "con la migra" I will let you kow
Diane. j/k.

Juan Amarilla
LEGAL lead singer of FORTISSIMO

basssngr@... wrote:
Hear Ye Hear Ye, One and All. My Friend, My Pal, The queen of my world, Diane
Garcia, Webmistress Extrordinaire, has officially passed the bar exam in the
fine state of Illinois and shall from this point forward be known as,
Diane M. Garcia
Attorney at Law
Esquire
Queen of the Universe
All of her worthy subjects can send congratulations to
dgarcia @ harmonize . ws

www.harmonize.ws/links
www.padrino.org/dgarcia



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Rutter's Requiem is awesome, but I like his Magnificat better. And if you ever
get a chance, definitely sing Gloria by Rutter. It just gives you the chills.
Our college did a tour of Poland singing the Gloria with a polish brass choir.
We received Standing O's everytime we performed it.

Juan Amarilla
FORTISSIMO

richstan4d2003 <richstan4d2003@...> wrote:
Oh my GOD, I've never read two funnier posts on the Harmonet in the 6
years I've lurked. Both for such vastly different reasons.

The "Kicking out Mike" post was so hilarious and must have
embarrassed the writers to death!! The tragic/funny thing is this is
so typical in barbershop!! 2-3 guys in a quartet always have to put
up with the "untalented" one or the "flaky" one or the "doesn't use
deodorant" one, or doesn't "wipe properly"...OK too far.

Good luck to the guys in Mike's quartet and as a famous Cuban once
said, They're gonna have some splainin' to do!!

You've just gotta read the Freestyle "quasi-retirement" post and it's
such a mixture of hilarity yet sadness because we'll be losing the
top comedy quartet still competing...or not anymore...but the most
recent comedy quartet to compete but won't be competing any longer
unless they change their mind and then they'll be competing but not
til they actually compete.

Hopefully Andy will see the error of his ways and realize BARBERSHOP
comes before ANYTHING! Family-Schmamily. Hopefully the guilt will
pass and they'll be back in 2004 competing. Remember guys, FRED was
98th and won eventually.

I'd also like to announce my retirement. No wait--I think Mike's ex-
quartet needs a new lead.

Richard Stanford
Singing at Carnegie Hall this January under John Rutter!!! Singin'
his Requiem too! I wrote a better tag for the Lux Aeterna--see what
he thinks. Has a contralto post for 40 seconds. Maybe have Joe Hunter
be a guest soloist on that part.

Love that Modern 20th Century Missa Pro defunctis style. You bet!


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Thanks to Marti Lovejoy for the first thorough response to my questions on
SAI judging. I hope others will continue to comment as well.

<<  I don't think I could ever learn to judge without using my heart>>>

I hope and suspect that SAI does not expect their judges to do that; we
certainly don't in SPEBS. If I had to do that, I wouldn't do that.

Barbershop music is not a brain-to-brain communication, it's a heart-to-heart
communication. If you leave your heart out, you've missed it!

>>
I agree with Laurie, Rog - break down and buy the book.
>>

I am already broken down, and will be doing that.

But as yet another wise person once said, more or less, true wisdom is not
found in books.

:-)>

roger payne

In a message dated 9/30/03 6:18:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bbshop@yahoogroups.com writes:

> If there were anything to hide, I don't think
> it would be available to non-members

This is SO very true...  I hear so many competitors grumble that it's the
same 'judge-speak' on all of the score sheets... 'better breath control needed',
'strive to improve vocal skills to move to the next level', 'a more energized
lyrical line will aid in emotional communication of this fine ballad' ...etc
etc etc...

Well, if it's the same things on the score sheets year after year after year
--- evidently, we're not fixing the problems at-hand.

Betty Clipman has been telling my chorus and quartet for some time that Sweet
Adelines is so neat because they GIVE you the answers before the test...
"here.  these are the skills we'll be adjudicating... this is how you execute
these skills.  now do it."  It's all laid out in the Judging Category
Description
Book.  The levels, the skills, everything.

Getting past the fact that the judges are human is something that we need to
accept and trust - that they're writing and evaluating AS they HEAR it.  My
wonderment in the whole process is that how 2 judges, same performance, same
category can write 2 completely opposing viewpoints.  i.e.  judge a: Great song,
message sung truly from the heart; and, judge b: You need to sing this song
from the heart.

I think the system has inherent flaws because we're human.

I also think that it is a prudent decision to wait a few days before a
competitor contacts a judge about her scores, comments or placement. Let the
emotions and dust settle and THEN re-evaluate your performance through the
medium
that the organization provides to all competitors.  Then, and only then, will we
see that the scoresheets reflect more of the actual 4-6 minutes that we
displayed for the judges - not necessarily what we're CAPABLE of doing (in the
warm-up room!!)
Marlene Brauchle
Valley Forge Chorus
TNT Quartet


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In a message dated 9/30/03 10:05:43 PM, vmfaninflorida@... writes:

<< Just to recap everyone, this is the complete list of quartets that

will not be returning to the big dance, according to my sources:


1.  Uptown Sound

2.  Freestyle

3.  Cheers!

4.  Excalibur

5.  Endeavor

6.  Power Play (by default)

  >>

This, of course, is only the list of quartets that will not be returning
based on their own decision.

Hopefully, there will be relatively few of us for whom the decision is made
by others with pencils.

:-)>

Roger Payne
Reveille
Been there, had that happen...

Roger Payne gave a quartet of mine the single most insightful piece of
usable advice I ever got in an eval (no, it wasn't "take up bowling"),
so when he speaks on the subject I listen.  I, too, truly regret from an
educational standpoint the lack of input from SAI judges talking on the
Harmonet about their process.  Sure, all that stuff is in the SAI
manual, but it's the implementation of it that we -- particularly SPEBS
who don't normally have insight into SAI affairs -- are very interested.
That commentary probably won't be found in the manual as insightfully as
could be here.

A case in point on the men's side -- I just this week see the rule
change that speaking is more liberally allowed in SPEBS contest sets.
Well, I read the regulation right out of the rule book, but it's just
words -- I don't have a clue how the rule has now changed in actual
implementation.  I have seen quartets like Reveille and FRED with plenty
of spoken dialogue in their contest sets the past decade (well, "plenty"
compared to the old "pretty much none at all" rule used to be in the
'80s).  What has changed now?  Were quartets that spoke a lot penalized
but we never knew it because a small penalty is transparent on the
scoresheet?  What -- now they won't be?

I raise this because only through practice and trial-and-error will the
quartet competitor know what the change is.  The Harmonet is a great
medium for such discussion and, thanks to people like Roger and Kevin
Keller, Mike O'Donnell and others, we get that sort of commentary.  I
would love to see that very soon from Society Presentation judges on the
'net in regard to the speaking rule, and for that reason I'd love to see
commentary from SAI judges on their system when asked.

Regards
Bob Sutton  bsutton@...
Tenor, the Mercury quartet www.harmonize.com/mercury
    ... #12 in your program Friday, working hard to excite the M-AD
audience
Alexandria Harmonizers www.harmonizers.org


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Any word on what Riptide is doing?
I'd hate to see them go too.
Nash

PS  Having heard stories of what a big sound Max Q has . . . maybe
they'll come in first, second, AND third.

----- Original Message -----
From: "richstan4d2003"
> Oh my GOD, I've never read two funnier posts on the Harmonet in the
6
> years I've lurked. Both for such vastly different reasons. >
> The "Kicking out Mike" post was so hilarious and must have
> embarrassed the writers to death!!

OK guys, are you telling me the 'kicking out Mike' post was for real??
I just assumed it was a joke from the start, had a good laugh & moved
on. I'm gonna have to go back & read it again....

Rochelle Wilson
Bass, Region 7, Wichita Chorus

The names were changed to protect the guilty. Mike was actually Andy! :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: 4aSong [mailto:bookmark@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:18 AM
To: bbshop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bbshop] Kicking out Mike/Freestyle


----- Original Message -----
From: "richstan4d2003"
> Oh my GOD, I've never read two funnier posts on the Harmonet in the
6
> years I've lurked. Both for such vastly different reasons. > The
> "Kicking out Mike" post was so hilarious and must have embarrassed the
> writers to death!!

OK guys, are you telling me the 'kicking out Mike' post was for real?? I just
assumed it was a joke from the start, had a good laugh & moved on. I'm gonna
have to go back & read it again....

Rochelle Wilson
Bass, Region 7, Wichita Chorus



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Att'y Girl, Diane!

Carol

Thank goodness! I was worrying about my sense of humor, as well as
Mike.

Rochelle

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Adams" <To: "4aSong" >
Subject: RE: [bbshop] Kicking out Mike/Freestyle


> The names were changed to protect the guilty. Mike was actually
Andy! :-)

Ok - before I asked a stupid question, I went back to the messages &
checked & still didn't find an "official" retirement announcement
from Uptown Sound. Did I miss something? I mean, I DID see the post
asking "who's next?", mentioning Uptown, but nothing directly from
the quartet confirming it.

Don? Dave?? Any truth to the rumors? Say it ain't so! I mean, c'mon -
don't tell me YOU guys are worried about Max Q! Don, you could take
those guys - blindfolded, even. ;-)

Anyone?? Anyone??? Beuhler???

Harmoniously confused,

Melody White
Rich-Tone Chorus

I also looked for a posting from Freestyle.  I've never seen a post.  I'm
hoping it's not true.  Anyone have a copy of the post to forward to me.

Jo Glomski, SA
Region 6
Minneapolis

Certainly hoping it's a bad rumor.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Melody" <melody7464@...>
To: <bbshop@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:41 AM
Subject: [bbshop] Dropping like flies


> Ok - before I asked a stupid question, I went back to the messages &
> checked & still didn't find an "official" retirement announcement
> from Uptown Sound. Did I miss something? I mean, I DID see the post
> asking "who's next?", mentioning Uptown, but nothing directly from
> the quartet confirming it.
>
> Don? Dave?? Any truth to the rumors? Say it ain't so! I mean, c'mon -
> don't tell me YOU guys are worried about Max Q! Don, you could take
> those guys - blindfolded, even. ;-)
>
> Anyone?? Anyone??? Beuhler???
>
> Harmoniously confused,
>
> Melody White
> Rich-Tone Chorus
>
>
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I think it was a joke!!!

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To: bbshop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bbshop] Kicking out Mike/Freestyle

----- Original Message -----
From: "richstan4d2003"
> Oh my GOD, I've never read two funnier posts on the Harmonet in the
6
> years I've lurked. Both for such vastly different reasons. >
> The "Kicking out Mike" post was so hilarious and must have
> embarrassed the writers to death!!

OK guys, are you telling me the 'kicking out Mike' post was for real??
I just assumed it was a joke from the start, had a good laugh & moved
on. I'm gonna have to go back & read it again....

Rochelle Wilson
Bass, Region 7, Wichita Chorus



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I did a search in the SPEBS member DB for a Rich Martin, out of curiosity,
and came up empty.  This led me to believe it was some kind of joke as well.
It was a little bit too awful/funny to be true, don't you think?  At least I
hope so.

Steve Nester
Sounds of Concord, Concord, MA


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It has to be a joke.  According to our society's website Scott
Davidson, Richard Martin and the baritone in waiting Mark Robinson,
none of these names are registered with S.P.E.B.S.Q.S.A.  All the
same one of the funniest posts I have ever seen on the Harmonet.
Also, say it's not so Uptown Sound!!!

Steve Bangham
East York Barbershoppers


--- In bbshop@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Morin" <stevem@n...> wrote:
> I think it was a joke!!!
>
> Steve Morin

To respond to the question about Riptide....Riptide is definitely in
the mix!!!

In fact those in M-AD will see them this weekend on the Jamboree in
good old Wildwood, NJ.

A short update - Riptide is happily receiving show bids, and NEW
BABIES all at once!
Yep, there's a brand new beautiful Selano girl with us now, and we
anxiously await a new little Lewellen girl (first child for Chris
and Richard), AND a new Reynolds lass (how will she survive with her
triplet Rip-Brothers?) all in the next several weeks!!!  Now that's
planning!

For those in M-AD, the Ripsters, Rippers, Riptidians (geez) can't
wait to meet the rest of the 'family' up here.  I know they're
anxious to see everyone here, and sing for us, both on stage and
afterwards.

C-y'all,

Sue Taylor

I gotta tell you, I am REALLY confused!

Not only is Mike getting kicked out of Freestyle, but now even
Riptide is reporting in and it appears that they are NOT kicking out
Mike. I'm not sure how many quartets Mike sings in (or even if he CAN
sing, if you ask Scottie), but he sure is a popular guy these days.

And now rumors abound that Metropolis has actually gotten all their
schtick from Cheers, back when they sang as an SAI quartet before it
was discovered they were men!

Next thing you know we'll find out that the Power Play guys are not
REALLY related to each other, they just happen to have the same last
name, and a very common one at that!  Who'da thunk it?

And is it true that Dave Calland and Steve Denino are actually
forming a new quartet with two Australian members - to be called
Upside Down?

The next thing you know someone will tell me that the 1937 Gold Medal
Quartet champions The Hoosier Daddies never even existed!

I'm SO CONFUSED!

Phil Wilson
Tenor - Pacific Sound (Rincon Beach)
Tenor - Fastrac

Several Steves don't believe everything they read. I don't even
believe the stuff i write.  So, i guess you've all heard that Paul Is
Dead and we never actually landed on the moon?

Anyway, with all this in mind, let me be the very first - here's my
pick for the top 10 in Louisville (you heard it here first).

10. Endeavor
9. (unknown - some new upstart qtet)
8. Flipside
7. Sterling (SWD)
6. Wheelhouse
5. SEP (SWD)
4. Max Q (SWD)
3. Riptide
2. Gotcha!
1. Metropolis

Mic Testers - Upside Down

grady in dallas



I think it was a joke!!!
Steve Morin
Salem Senate-Aires

It has to be a joke.
Steve Bangham
East York Barbershoppers

This led me to believe it was some kind of joke as well.
Steve Nester
Sounds of Concord, Concord, MA

I have a need to contact members of Keepsake in a timely
fashion (as in soon-like).

If anyone has any first-hand knowledge of a reliable and timely
method of contacting any or all, I would appreciate a private reply.

Thanks

Perry Washburn
Boise, ID

I just received the new ASCAP contract which appears to be
retroactive to 2001. I am very concerned about a provision in the
license which prohibits "dramatic performances." The paragraph then
goes on to define the different types of shows which would fall
under this category. Among them is the following:

"(iii) performance of one or more musical compositions as part of a
story or plot, whether accompanied or unaccompanied by dialogue,
pantomime, dance, stage action, or visual representation;"


I would read this paragraph to include the common scripted shows
that we frequently perform in our annual shows (and Harmony
College). Was the previous agreement between the Society and ASCAP
written the same way?

Inquiring mind wants to know.

-Steve Sammonds

Thanks to those who responded with color barberpole clips.
-Brian

>  -----Original Message-----
> From:  Cannon Brian-MGI1425
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 9:52 AM
> To: Harmonet Post Message (Harmonet: Post Message)
> Subject: "Color" Barberpole Clipart
>
> Hi,
>
> I need to find a "Color" Barberpole clipart for use in a project.
>
> I have the 97, 98, & 99 Clip Art from the society but have only found black &
white barberpole clips in those.
>
> Does anyone have or can anyone point me to a "Color" barberpole?
>
> Thanks,
> -Brian Cannon
>   Lead, Rancho Bernardo Troubadours


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Hey Rich...

Call me.  David Harrington is at my place for 10 days and we are
talking about Magic Mountain this Sunday after the convention.  Do
you wanna go?

Rich  (559) 432-3560

Okay, I know I really don't want to open this can of worms BUT...


How are quartets suppose to report to ASCAP? Do we all need our own
individual contracts as well? I understand that if we are performing
on a chapter show then the chapter is the show producer and
therefore the ASCAP licensee. In that case, of course, the quartet
has no worries.

But what about when the quartet performs on its own at the local
nursing home? For free? According to the ASCAP contract, that should
cost $10. Oh but wait! There is an annual minimum of $183. So does
every quartet that is singing out in the community need to pony up
$183? Wow! ASCAP is a money-making machine! I sure hope that money
actually reaches the composers whose works ASCAP represents!

Should I even mention Singing Valentines?

My chapter's motto is "Share the Joy". I sure wish ASCAP would stop
taking the joy out of music!

Just my $0.02.

Grumbling,
Steve Sammonds

Hey Rich...

Call me.  David Harrington is at my place for 10 days and we are
talking about Magic Mountain this Sunday after the convention.  Do
you wanna go?

Rich  (559) 432-3560

*******************

I don't know about anyone else on the harmonet, but I wanna go to
Disneyland!

Raymond Davis
Tenor, Q

Thanks for the thoughts on contacting Keepsake. I have spoken
with Joe. Life is good....

Perry Washburn
Boise

(Hmmm. Boise. Isn't that where you can see a RARE Keepsake
performance, 1/31/04?)

(And no, this little Keepsake contact exchange wasn't a "kickin'
out Mike" ruse. I really needed to talk to them...)

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I had replied privately to Rog on this, but he asked me to post the
message, so here ya' go!

>>1) how and why SAI decided to use written evals only>>

Not sure on this one. However, personally I like getting a written
evaluation. You get the judges "opinions" as things are happening.
You can refer back to it at a later date, see what is mentioned
across the board by all judges and figure out what areas you need to
focus on for improvement. Comments on the score sheets are not meant
for coaching, but to let you know what is and isn't working. They can
be as specific as "chords on XX not working" or as general as "doing
many things in this area well, now add to your performance to take it
to the next level." Granted the latter can be frustrating at times ;^)

I have also had the opportunity to sit in on a few of the sessions at
the end of a men's District/Prelims contest. Very interesting. In a
perfect world, we would get both the written score sheet and the mini-
coaching/evaluation session.

However, I've always wondered, in a contest with 30 quartets, unless
a group really stuck out in some way, how do you as a judge remember
exactly what each particular group in that 30 did when it comes time
to do their evaluation. Seems to me that the middle of the pack might
all run together. Do you have written notes that you can refer to for
the evaluations? How do you keep it all straight?

>>2) why competitors cannot ask the judges for direct feedback on
site (if that's in fact true; I don't even know that!)>>

I don't think this is true. I believe you can not ask while the
contest is session. If at the end of it all, on Sat night or Sunday,
you can connect with a judge - all's well...been there and done that.
You also have the right to write to a judge and ask for clarification
on score sheets. They receive a copy of their score sheet and video
from the contest, so they can actually go back and look at the
performance and read what they wrote in an effort to help you
understand their comments or score....been there and done that as
well. The judges are very open to this.

>>3) whether competitors find the written system works well for them
(we've gotten a very little bit on this)>>
Answered w/#1

>>4) what audience members think about waiting for the writing to be
over before the next performance>>

I don't mind usually. Sometimes panels are slow and time drags, but
to my experience those are few and far between. I enjoy being able to
talk about what I've just seen or heard (being an armchair judge), or
use the time to go to the restroom without missing anything, or spend
time with a friend I only see once/twice a year. Anything is better
than sitting through bad joke after bad joke after bad joke, as I
have at some EVG contests. I don't know if it's the same society
wide, but why there is a need for an emcee to go on endlessly from
contestant to contestant, has never been clear to me. At one contest
session I think the entire audience, including the judges were ready
to strangle the one guy who emceed...but I digress ;^)

>someone wrote and said, no SAI judges will answer because they're
not on the Harmonet any more, partly because of "the way you boys
abuse each other".>

They may not be on the Harmonet, but many are on the SING list and
they are active. Being a member of both, I can honestly say that the
SING has way less "argumentative" types of threads going where
someone finally says "Can we stop this now?!?!"

As for your "entry" into coaching SAI - Laurie and Marti both had a
great suggestion - the category description book. If you haven't
attended many SAI contests, start. There are differences in our
organizations, but both reward plain old good singing.

You will see that the basis of all four of our categories is the
vocal product, so as a coach, making sure the vocal product is as
good as it can get it the best thing you can do for a group since it
will improve scores in all four categories.

I once had a judge/coach say something similar to:
Would you rather have once score sheet say "need more dynamics" or
would you rather have four sheets say "vocal product inconsistent".

Have a great rest of your day!
Teresa McCafferty :^)
Tenor, Unplugged SAI 2004 6th Place
Tenor, Pacific Sound, Indy Bound!

Teresa,

In your excellent reply to the judging thread, you mentioned the SING
list.  How do I sign up?

Rob



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