Here's a clip of my latest release:

http://www.nicholasarrangements.com/clips/BackInTheSaddleAgain_Clip.mp3

Learning tracks are available. For more info, please visit
http://www.NicholasArrangements.com

Jon

Hi all,

Trying to email Ray Brown from the Pathfinders chorus.  The email I have for
him is not working.  Any help is greatly appreciated!

Ray, if you read this, please email me at this address:
jj@...

Thanks!

Jeremey Johnson
Marion, IN


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Is there an app for Blackeberry's for a pitch pipe and tags? If so, how can I
get it?

Kit Grabowski
Aka bbshopbrat
Lead, Shoreline Sound SAI chorus
Future Queen in training
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

We are traveling from Maryland to Michigan and would like to visit a chapter or
show on the 11th or 12 of Dec.  Can  anyone help me out?

Soundwork (James River Chapter) Central Virginia's premier men's a cappella
ensemble will perform a benefit concert on Sunday, December 5, 2010 beginning at
7:30 PM at Christ the King Lutheran Church, 9800 Huguenot Road, Richmond, VA
23235. Soundworks, the champion of the Mid-Atlantic District Southern Division
for five consecutive years, will perform fan favorites from their eclectic
repertoire along with some favorite holiday arrangements. There will be a free
will offering taken with all proceeds supporting the youth program of the
church. The concert is free and open to the public. For additional information,
visit the Soundworks web site at www.soundworkschorus.org. Come and enjoy a
wonderful evening of harmony.

Here is a topic for discussion.  I enjoy watching the TV show Glee, but I really
dislike the use of Autotune.  I have read others decrying the rampant use of
Autotune on this show and others, but I had not really been able to tell on this
show (maybe I really don't know what I am listening for), but my daughter showed
me a clip from last night's show, and it seemed that I heard a slight buzz in
the sound, that I am assuming is an artifact of Autotune.

I can understand using Autotune when the performer is just not up to staying in
tune, or perhaps to get a specific effect, but in the case of this show, it
seems like the talent involved and the fact that the performances are
pre-recorded and dubbed, allowing retakes to get it right, would mean that
Autotune shouldn't be necessary.

My question is this: Do they use Autotune because production costs preclude
going back and "doing it right", so it is just easier to tweak it and go on, or
is there something else at work here.  I find it hard to believe that they
couldn't find someone that could carry a tune to be on this (or any other) show.

Thoughts?

Tim Buell
Autotune free.
And usually at least close to on key.

How about the tag ap for WEBOS my palm could use it, There are two nice
pitchpipe aps for it.
Bill Byrd
.

>
>
>


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Autotune use reminds me of the older method of dubbing Marni Nixon's voice
for Audrey Hepburn (My Fair Lady!) and Natalie Wood (West Side Story)
being the most notable.
(Don't even get me started on the il-logic of casting Audrey Hepburn
for the Eliza Doolittle
when it should have been Julie Andrews all along....)

It's the "cheaters method"! That's why it just feels WRONG to those
of us who work so hard to be really good
at our particular singing craft.

While the overdubbing MAY have created temporary good "Hollywood",
it really cheated us in the long run of having the best person for the job
enshrined forever in film/video. Stupid producers.......

That being said, I will though confess that my just-prior quartet
used a form of Autotune to fix a ***few*** notes
here and there.

Even though we had (thank God!) our 5th ear in the studio with us (my
husband Jay G.)
to help monitor what we did record ("Good take, but we can do it
better!" "Ok we have a punch point at
just before the tag." etc. etc. etc.), we still had the reality of
the economics involved.
At $100 per hour for studio/engineer/5th ear time, we need to keep
efficiency in mind
for our anticipated budget. And we were NOT inclined to go over
budget, with none
of us necessarily being (ahem) independently wealthy. ;-)

Most everything we did, though, probably 98-99%, was "autotune" free
on that recording,
so I don't feel like we "cheated" people out of what we REALLY
sounded like - live and in person.
Those who bought our CD told us they listened to it over and over and
over again,
so I knew we had created a worthy product and not one steeped in
musical artifice.

[BTW, I'm one of those "audiophiles" still hanging on to a rather
VAST vinyl records collection
simply because the quality - full, rich, resonant in harmonics
spectrum - has not yet been beat
by the digitalized, "compression", synthized, autotune era.]

On a diff. tack but related, I recently met one of the legendary
"one-take wonders" in the Chicago
voiceover world. He was having fun playing trombone at the jazz "show
up with your horn and sit in" night
at an area restaurant. (Thanks Annie Mac! to you and your mom!)
THAT kind of talent - "one take" to lay down accurate and appealing
singing vocals  - was HIGHLY
prized and rewarded in the ad industry. I'm guessing it still is, but
the jobs are just fewer and farther in between
because the ads world doesn't seem to value writing great catchy
jingles much any more.

- Helen Giallombardo
autotune-knowledgeable but leaning  heavily towards the "keep it real" end
of the auditory spectrum

Here's the story about My Fair Lady:

Movie studio head Jack Warner decided Andrews lacked sufficient name
recognition for her casting in the film version of My Fair Lady; Eliza was
played by the established film actress Audrey Hepburn instead. As Warner
later recalled, the decision was easy, "In my business I have to know who
brings people and their money to a movie theatre box office. Audrey Hepburn
had never made a financial flop."

My personal opinion is, although I am a very strong Julie Andrews fan, I
think that Audrey Hepburn is one of the most beautiful women that ever lived
and that she and Marni Nixon did a wonderful job as Eliza.  When she walked
down the stairs in that white dress, I thought that she was the most
stunning lady I ever saw.

BTW Marni Nixon appeared in the Sound Of Music.  She was one of the nuns.

Replacing voices in movies is nothing new.  We were even shown how it works
in Singin' In The Rain, and we are lucky to have Mario Lanza's voice in the
Student Prince instead of a lesser voice.

When making recordings we always keep in mind that, unlike live performance,
a recording will be played and replayed many times and the performance must
be as close to perfection as is possible.  That's why we do retakes and
punch-in's.  Auto tune is another story, it's often making up for lack of
ability.

Shelley Herman
saherman@...

The best revenge for Julie Andrews is the fact that she won the 1965 Oscar for
Best Actress (for Mary Poppins), and Audrey Hepburn wasn't even nominated for My
Fair Lady that year (although the movie itself won for Best Picture and a few
other things). Julie Andrews was nominated again the following year for Sound Of
Music (which won Best Picture). So much for the studios knowing what they're
doing.

Allan

--
Allan Webb
Certified Director, Barbershop Harmony Society
Lead Emeritus, Masters of Harmony
Lead, Pacific Coast Harmony
Senior Staff IT Engineer, Qualcomm Incorporated
San Diego, CA
awebb@...
--


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The Great Lakes Chorus in Grand Rapids has its Christmas shows on Saturday,
December 11. Two shows, 2:00 and 7:30 at the St. Cecelia Music Society
Auditorium. Tickets can be purchased online through our web site at
www.GreatLakesChorus.org.

Hope we see you there.

Doug Weaver
President
Great Lakes Chorus


----- Original Message -----
From: "singingringer" <nahobbs1@...>
To: bbshop@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2010 11:51:29 AM
Subject: [bbshop] Traveling to Michigan






We are traveling from Maryland to Michigan and would like to visit a chapter or
show on the 11th or 12 of Dec. Can anyone help me out?




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Tim,

A "buzz" isn't really a tell-tale of autotune's use. That probably means you
were hearing a problem with the speakers you were listening with. It doesn't
really mess with the vocal quality too much, at least in small doses,
although there is certainly a difference. I tend to notice that voices sound
too perfect or too computerized with autotune. That's due to the inherent
digital modification of the sound waves; in a graph of the sound waves, the
autotuned voice will look more smooth than the raw recording. My biggest
annoyance with autotune is that it's not Pythagorean tempering, it's equal
tempering (in layman's terms, pure tuning versus the tuning of a piano's
keys). Although, some of the new versions apparently let you get a more fine
tuned control of the notes. The average listener won't notice the tiny
tuning issues in an equal tempered tuning anyway.

Bad autotuned tracks will have a very stepped sound to them; swipes will be
broken down by the program to individual notes instead. However, skilled
recording engineers can get around that.

To answer your specific question, autotune speeds up the process. Or, in the
case of not so hot singers, makes it possible at all.
From wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-Tune):
In 2009, *Time* magazine quoted an unnamed Grammy-winning recording engineer
as saying, "Let's just say I've had Auto-Tune save vocals on everything from
Britney Spears to Bollywood cast albums. And every singer now presumes that
you'll just run their voice through the box." The same article expressed
"hope that pop's fetish for uniform perfect pitch will fade", speculating
that pop-music songs have become harder to differentiate from one another,
as "track after track has perfect pitch."[18][19] Timothy Powell, a
producer/engineer stated in 2003 that he is "even starting to see vocal
tuning devices show up in concert settings"; he states that "That's more of
an ethical dilemma—people pay a premium dollar to see artists and artists
want people to see them at their
best."<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-Tune#cite_note-Tribune-10>

Another quote taken from wikipedia:
According to the *Boston Herald*, "Country stars Faith Hill and Tim McGraw
have both confessed to using Auto-Tune in performance, claiming it is a
safety net that guarantees a good performance.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-Tune#cite_note-8>I hope that helps.


Jeffrey Reifsnyder
e-mail: jayreif@...
cell: (713) 890 - 2530


On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:45 PM, tpblead <tpbuell@...> wrote:

>
>
> Here is a topic for discussion. I enjoy watching the TV show Glee, but I
> really dislike the use of Autotune. I have read others decrying the rampant
> use of Autotune on this show and others, but I had not really been able to
> tell on this show (maybe I really don't know what I am listening for), but
> my daughter showed me a clip from last night's show, and it seemed that I
> heard a slight buzz in the sound, that I am assuming is an artifact of
> Autotune.
>
> I can understand using Autotune when the performer is just not up to
> staying in tune, or perhaps to get a specific effect, but in the case of
> this show, it seems like the talent involved and the fact that the
> performances are pre-recorded and dubbed, allowing retakes to get it right,
> would mean that Autotune shouldn't be necessary.
>
> My question is this: Do they use Autotune because production costs preclude
> going back and "doing it right", so it is just easier to tweak it and go on,
> or is there something else at work here. I find it hard to believe that they
> couldn't find someone that could carry a tune to be on this (or any other)
> show.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Tim Buell
> Autotune free.
> And usually at least close to on key.
>
>
>


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[Please pass to all your members ASAP. Thanks. CB]

Sunshine District Leadership Academy 2011 is just around the corner!

Our faculty is lined up. The hotel is set
[Altamonte Springs Hilton where we have conducted
previous seminars]. Things are looking good and
we hope the venue change will make it easier for
more people to attend. Pat Haley, Leadership
Academy Dean, has completed the final agenda.
It's time to get the students enrolled!

By now, your Chapter elections are over and your
new Board members are chomping at the bit for
Installation and moving forward. To make that
energy and effort go as far as possible, one more
element is necessary - Leadership Academy enrollment and attendance.

The Leadership Academy idea isn't new in
Barbershop. Those of you who've been in the
Society for more than a couple years remember the
old format we called COTS. Leadership Academy
brings the concept into the twenty-first century.
Leadership Academy is where you develop and hone
your skills for the job to which you've just been
elected or perfect them if you're continuing in office.

It's time to register your Chapter Board members
for the next Leadership Academy, January 8 & 9,
2011, at the Altamonte Springs Hilton in
Altamonte Springs [Orlando Metro area]. This is a
legitimate Chapter expense that should be in
every Chapter's operating budget each year. Not
only should your Chapter be sending your new
Board members to the Leadership Academy but you
should also be sending anyone else in your
Chapter who's interested in becoming a Chapter
officer in the future. It's well worth the
investment in the short and long terms.

Here's the basic information about this year's
Leadership Academy from the District web site:

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The Academy will include Lunch and Dinner on
Saturday; as well as hors d’oeuvres at the
afterglow. Additionally, Sunday breakfast will be served.

Registration will open on Saturday morning
(January 8th) at 10:00 a.m. The first session
will start promptly at 11:00 a.m. The final
session should conclude around 11:00 a.m. on Sunday.

This year we will be offering the following course tracks at the Academy:

* President
* Secretary
* Treasurer
* Chapter Development
* Marketing & Public Relations
* Music & Performance
* Chorus Director Development
* Chapter Service Representative [CSLT/CSR]
* Chapter Meetings
* Introduction to Web Site Development
* Advanced Web Site Development
* Chorus/Events Manager

Tuition and Room:

LEADAC Sessions Only (NO housing or meals)   ­ $60.00/person

LEADAC Sessions Only (NO housing WITH meals) ­ $100.00/person

LEADAC Sessions and Saturday Night Stay Only:
Double Occupancy (2 per room)                ­ $180.00/person

LEADAC Sessions and Single Occupancy (1 person per room) ­ $220.00/person

Extra Room days ­ $80.00/room per day

Please note: The room rate can only be guaranteed
for reservations made by 5:00pm on Wednesday, December 15, 2010.

To make reservations for your Chapter, please
download the Registration form below and e-mail to Pat Haley, at

mailto:leadac@...,

with the following information for each person attending:

* Name of Person Attending
* Course Track (Office – i.e. President, Chapter Meetings, Secretary, etc.)
* Room Type
* Single Occupancy
* Double Occupancy
* Roommate’s Name (if Double Occupancy)
* Check-In/Check-Out dates for Extra room days

Additionally, please contact Pat directly if any
special consideration is needed (disability
accessible room, traveling with a guest, extended
stay required, dietary needs, etc.).

To register or for more information, please
contact Pat Haley, Sunshine LEADAC Coordinator via email:

mailto:leadac@...

or via phone at 352-753-3351 (home) or 708-305-2270 (cell).

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The official registration form is at the bottom of the page:

http://sunshinedistrict.org/events/leadership-academy/

and is attached to this message for those
receiving it via direct email. For those reading
it in the Sunshinenet list, it is in the Files
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The time is NOW to get your Chapter registered
for this critical instruction event. Have your
Chapter Secretary bring a copy of the
registration form to your next Chapter meeting and get your people signed up!

You have TWO WEEKS to get registered. What are you waiting for?

Thanks.

KTWWS!
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Director, Marketing & P.R.
Sunshine District
Barbershop Harmony Society

Certified Standing Ovation Program Reviewer

Member, Barbershop Harmony Society
Marketing & P.R. Committee

Join us where Marketing Matters:

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When music is recorded today many affects are used. Some are for pitch and bend
and others are used to enhance the sound.  Sometimes they use them because they
can and the young folks today aren't in to real true audio.  When producing a
show, time is money and money is time.  Many producers of programs such as the
one you are talking about want to get it done and move on with no respect for
talent and artistry. They are paying for studio time. The beautiful thing about
Barbershop and some other forms of acapella music is that it is real, it has
feeling and it touches our hearts and souls.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: tpblead
   To: bbshop@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:45 PM
   Subject: [bbshop] Use of Autotune



   Here is a topic for discussion. I enjoy watching the TV show Glee, but I
really dislike the use of Autotune. I have read others decrying the rampant use
of Autotune on this show and others, but I had not really been able to tell on
this show (maybe I really don't know what I am listening for), but my daughter
showed me a clip from last night's show, and it seemed that I heard a slight
buzz in the sound, that I am assuming is an artifact of Autotune.

   I can understand using Autotune when the performer is just not up to staying
in tune, or perhaps to get a specific effect, but in the case of this show, it
seems like the talent involved and the fact that the performances are
pre-recorded and dubbed, allowing retakes to get it right, would mean that
Autotune shouldn't be necessary.

   My question is this: Do they use Autotune because production costs preclude
going back and "doing it right", so it is just easier to tweak it and go on, or
is there something else at work here. I find it hard to believe that they
couldn't find someone that could carry a tune to be on this (or any other) show.

   Thoughts?

   Tim Buell
   Autotune free.
   And usually at least close to on key.





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To those who think Autotune just has equal temperament, it actually has 29
different tuning systems.  Here's an experiment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE8DvCx54v8

I autotuned the same intro on several different systems.  They are not in the
order listed in the video screen.  I want to see if barbershoppers actually
prefer one over the rest.  I included pythagorean, mean temperament, and just
intonation since I've heard barbershoppers talk about all of these.  Also
included are two I've never heard of, "partch" and "valotti," and the dreaded
equal temperament.

Can you tell the difference?

Karen Maney
www.SingMyPart.com



--- In bbshop@yahoogroups.com, "tpblead" <tpbuell@...> wrote:
>
> Here is a topic for discussion.  I enjoy watching the TV show Glee, but I
really dislike the use of Autotune.  I have read others decrying the rampant use
of Autotune on this show and others, but I had not really been able to tell on
this show (maybe I really don't know what I am listening for), but my daughter
showed me a clip from last night's show, and it seemed that I heard a slight
buzz in the sound, that I am assuming is an artifact of Autotune.
>
> I can understand using Autotune when the performer is just not up to staying
in tune, or perhaps to get a specific effect, but in the case of this show, it
seems like the talent involved and the fact that the performances are
pre-recorded and dubbed, allowing retakes to get it right, would mean that
Autotune shouldn't be necessary.
>
> My question is this: Do they use Autotune because production costs preclude
going back and "doing it right", so it is just easier to tweak it and go on, or
is there something else at work here.  I find it hard to believe that they
couldn't find someone that could carry a tune to be on this (or any other) show.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Tim Buell
> Autotune free.
> And usually at least close to on key.
>

Hi Karen,

Please don't keep us in suspense.  What order did we hear them in???

Mark

Auto-Tune can give a really neat effect to the voice when used as an
effect. I don't like it when it is used to fix tuning, though, because
it sounds weird (hence its value as an effect). One problem is that
the voice doesn't sound right when it is completely pitch-steady, and
the other problem is that it screws up consonants. And when it fixes
pitch, it changes the timbre, which affects the vowels and the tone
color and individuality of the voice.

As an effect, it's just like any other cool solo vocal effect, whether
it's narrow bandpass (like the Beastie Boys), talk box (like Peter
Frampton), speeding up or slowing down the vocals (like Strawberry
Fields Forever), backmasking (like "!aaaH-aH ,yawA eM ekaT oT gnimoC
er'yehT"), intentionally analog-overdriven vocals, or any kind of
phaser or delay. Most of those would might not work do much for
ensemble singing, but they can sound really cool with solo vocals.

Auto-Tune is only one of the problems with modern vocal recordings.
Another is extreme compression and clipping. The audio is compressed
(I'm not talking about data compression, but rather the audio effect)
until everything is the same volume, and then it is turned up so high
that all the waveforms are clipped and everything sounds loud. The
overcompression results in obvious changes in tone (if you make a
single note louder, it sounds more bassy; if you make it softer, it
sounds more trebley -- overcompression results in the volume and tone
changing constantly). The clipping results in lots of non-harmonic
distortion (harmonic distortion is like a blues guitar; non-harmonic
distortion is like a blown speaker).

And, of course, data compression screws up audio as well. A high
bit-rate mp3 doesn't sound bad, but audio data compression with a low
bit rate or one that's been compressed multiple times gets a jangly
sound that's just horrible. It's on television all the time now that
the audio is digital and the data is compressed (it's most noticeable
when an audience is applauding -- listen for that jangly sound during
applause sometime), and it's really terrible on internet videos. It's
even a problem in movies, where rather than using no data compression
with standard 16-bit 44.1 or 48 kHz sampling per channel, which is all
the human ear can hear, they use a higher bit rate and sampling and
compress the audio data. So they're adding compression that make the
sound worse -- you can actually hear it -- so that they can have
dynamic precision that you can't hear and high frequencies that you
can't hear. (Actually, now that I think about it, for movies 16-bit
might not be enough precision -- it's so loud that you could hear when
a sound dropped from one bit to zero bits, unless they added some
one-bit noise, which might be audible on a big theatre sound system.
But there's absolutely no reason to make the sampling rate higher than
40-some kHz.)

Anyway, I'm not sure why I felt the need to say all of that, but
Auto-Tune, audio compression, clipping, and audio data compression
really bother me. Give me a recording of a quartet (or any music) with
a stereo pair any day (the audible difference between individual mics
and a stereo pair is a rant for another day).

Ben McDaniel
Newton, Kansas

On Dec 2, 2010, at 6:58 AM, bbshop@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Re: Use of Autotune
> Posted by: "Jeffrey Reifsnyder" jayreif@...   jay.reif
> Wed Dec 1, 2010 7:21 pm (PST)
>
> Tim,
>
> A "buzz" isn't really a tell-tale of autotune's use. That probably
> means you
> were hearing a problem with the speakers you were listening with. It
> doesn't
> really mess with the vocal quality too much, at least in small doses,
> although there is certainly a difference. I tend to notice that
> voices sound
> too perfect or too computerized with autotune. That's due to the
> inherent
> digital modification of the sound waves; in a graph of the sound
> waves, the
> autotuned voice will look more smooth than the raw recording.

The smoothing may be taking the overtones out.

> My biggest
> annoyance with autotune is that it's not Pythagorean tempering, it's
> equal
> tempering (in layman's terms, pure tuning versus the tuning of a
> piano's
> keys).

The term "pure" tuning doesn't explain the idea. I would say
"rational" tuning, as in Just Intonation ratios or "harmonic" tuning.

> <snip>

> Jeffrey Reifsnyder
> e-mail: jayreif@...
> cell: (713) 890 - 2530



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Hello Netters,

Now in the process of converting some of my old barbershop
records to CDs, I have a favor to ask of you. My turntable is
clearly rotating too fast, so I need to figure out how much to
slow the .wav files down. (The turntable itself does not appear
to be adjustable, though thoughts on that would be welcome
too.)

So if you own the 1965 Top 10 Quartets album and have a few
minutes on your hands, would you let me know what key the first
cut starts in. The song is the Four Renegades' classic version of
Please Don't Talk About Me When I'm Gone. In other words,
ignoring the intro, what note is the lead singing on the first word
of the chorus, "Please."

Of course, it is possible that the group is singing in between keys
or is a little sharp or flat according to your pitch instrument. Just
let me know what you hear.

Please respond privately. Thanks!

Tom Gentry
tgbari@...
www.harmonize.ws/tgentry


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She mentioned in the comments section she played the alphabetically.
Bill Byrd

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:21 AM, markrusch2002 <markrusch@...>wrote:

>
>
> Hi Karen,
>
> Please don't keep us in suspense. What order did we hear them in???
>
> Mark
>
>
>


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you can definitely hear the digitalized sound coming from the show, but I think
there's also a lot of work that goes into the recording process as well.  I'm
sure every performer on Glee do all they can to sing as well as they possibly
can which means multiple sessions singing the same song occur.  Before any
auto-tuning occurs, I would bet bottom dollar that they are doing there best to
sing everything 100% correctly.  The "Clean" sound could be coming from the
aftermath while mixing and mastering.
But we've heard these performers live while on stage, dancing around and doing
all kinds of choreography and their typically dead on pitch.  I don't think
there's as much auto-tuning going on in the show as we think.

Jimmy Quentin Trapp
Baritone - 52Eighty Chorus2010 International Youth Chorus
Championswww.52eightychorus.com


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To my ear, there was a lot more use of tuning software when the series
started, and less and less as the episodes fly by.
Bill Byrd


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Saw a neat demo on Youtube using barbershop to show teh sound with and without
autotune.  Check out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20-ydkc094E&safety_mode=true&persist_safety_mode=\
1


Bruce Baedke  <><
Bass - Pride of Iowa Chorus

--- In bbshop@yahoogroups.com, "tpblead" <tpbuell@...> wrote:
>
> Here is a topic for discussion.  I enjoy watching the TV show Glee, but I
really dislike the use of Autotune.  I have read others decrying the rampant use
of Autotune on this show and others, but I had not really been able to tell on
this show (maybe I really don't know what I am listening for), but my daughter
showed me a clip from last night's show, and it seemed that I heard a slight
buzz in the sound, that I am assuming is an artifact of Autotune.
>
> I can understand using Autotune when the performer is just not up to staying
in tune, or perhaps to get a specific effect, but in the case of this show, it
seems like the talent involved and the fact that the performances are
pre-recorded and dubbed, allowing retakes to get it right, would mean that
Autotune shouldn't be necessary.
>
> My question is this: Do they use Autotune because production costs preclude
going back and "doing it right", so it is just easier to tweak it and go on, or
is there something else at work here.  I find it hard to believe that they
couldn't find someone that could carry a tune to be on this (or any other) show.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Tim Buell
> Autotune free.
> And usually at least close to on key.
>

If your turntable is rotating too fast, either you are using a 50Hz
turntable on 60Hz power or the turntable is defective.  If it's a 50Hz
turntable, contact the manufacturer or a repair station because a different
drive wheel should be available.  If it's defective, the turntable is
probably not holding a steady speed, so you don't want to try to fix it
digitally as it will still not sound right.

That being said, it is not unusual for finished (vinyl) records to be
slightly faster or slower than the original performance.  The recording
devices of that era were all mechanical (tape, cutting turntables) and there
was often variations in their speed because of slight imperfections in the
devices and also the power company often made slight variations in the
controlling frequency to make sure all clocks kept proper time.


Shelley Herman
saherman@...




on 12/2/10 8:59 AM, Tgbari@... at Tgbari@... wrote:

> My turntable is
> clearly rotating too fast,

Great Gold medallists  .. true champions, and  ... oh never mind :-]

--- In bbshop@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce B" <kbaedke@...> wrote:
>
> Saw a neat demo on Youtube using barbershop to show teh sound with and without
autotune.  Check out:
>
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20-ydkc094E&safety_mode=true&persist_safety_mode=\
1
>
>
> Bruce Baedke  <><
> Bass - Pride of Iowa Chorus
>
> --- In bbshop@yahoogroups.com, "tpblead" <tpbuell@> wrote:
> >
> > Here is a topic for discussion.  I enjoy watching the TV show Glee, but I
really dislike the use of Autotune.  I have read others decrying the rampant use
of Autotune on this show and others, but I had not really been able to tell on
this show (maybe I really don't know what I am listening for), but my daughter
showed me a clip from last night's show, and it seemed that I heard a slight
buzz in the sound, that I am assuming is an artifact of Autotune.
> >
> > I can understand using Autotune when the performer is just not up to staying
in tune, or perhaps to get a specific effect, but in the case of this show, it
seems like the talent involved and the fact that the performances are
pre-recorded and dubbed, allowing retakes to get it right, would mean that
Autotune shouldn't be necessary.
> >
> > My question is this: Do they use Autotune because production costs preclude
going back and "doing it right", so it is just easier to tweak it and go on, or
is there something else at work here.  I find it hard to believe that they
couldn't find someone that could carry a tune to be on this (or any other) show.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Tim Buell
> > Autotune free.
> > And usually at least close to on key.
> >
>

If there is Sweet Adeline or Harmony, Inc Quartet available for a Brewster, New
York gig this Saturday 12/4, call Neil at 212-525-1434.  Many requests like this
come through at the last minute this time of year.  Even if you can't do this
one, call Neil and put your name on his list.  Don't be afraid to ask for a good
fee.


Bill Kruse - Proud 50 Year Member S.P.E.B.S.Q.S.A
Westchester Chordsmen / The Alliance / Freshmen Again
District Delegate / Youth In Harmony VP / Chapter Counselor MAD




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To all Barbershoppers and Barbershop FANS within the sound of my voice (or the
clickety clack of my keyboard):

On Sunday, December 12 at 3:00 pm, the Tucson Barbershop eXperience will explore
the ins and outs of Rudolph's Retirement!  Yes, Rudolph plans to retire, and
only our chorus has the inside scoop!  Come see the Rudolph playlet, and listen
to some great Holiday music from quartets and the Chorus!  The event will be
held at the Berger Performing Arts Center at the AZ School for the Deaf and
Blind, 1200 West Speedway Blvd., Tucson, AZ.  Tickets will be available at the
door, or if you send me a private message, I have tickets I cans ell you!

Come on and have a great time!

David Updegraff

Meh...I'm not going to slag off the producers of "Glee" for using autotune.
Yes, it's there and noticeable, but I'm quite sure the principal reason they
use it is to keep the production on schedule.  It's all very well
rhapsodizing about how things were lovingly crafted in the good old days,
but these guys are churning out 22 episodes a season, each with several
musical numbers.



Besides, that show has created  enormous interest among young people who
want to sing.....just last month, the Glee cast recording of "Teenage Dream"
debuted at #1 on the Billboard charts with over 200,000 downloads.  And
here's the kicker for us..... that recording, autotuned or not, is A CAPELLA
!!!



As a singing society, we should be riding the Glee wave.....not nit-picking!

Here's the youtube link:

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E46BhMIRujI



Four point two

MILLION

hits, so far....



That's a pretty big market, I'd say.



John Mallett

This is not specifically about the use of autotune but I think highlights
the fact that many live performances are not really completely "live". The
Alexandria Harmonizes have been invited to sing at the Kennedy Center Honors
(see blurb from Web below) a number times in the past. This show includes
live performances from many big-name stars. Prior to the "live" performances
most of the performing artists are taken into a sound studio area and their
performance is recorded several times. When you come on stage for the real
performance you do sing live but the sound system is also carrying the
recorded sound and the sound engineer mixes the true live performance with
the recorded performance to ensure the combined sound is exactly what they
want for both the live audience and the TV broadcast. The first time I sang
on the Kennedy Center Honors I remember being somewhat insulted that they
didn't trust us to perform flawlessly until I saw they also followed the
same process for most of the really big name stars.





The annual Honors Gala has become the highlight of the Washington cultural
year, and its broadcast on CBS is a high point of the television season. On
Sunday, December 5, in a star-studded celebration on the Kennedy Center
Opera House stage, produced by George Stevens Jr. and Michael Stevens, the
2010 Honorees will be saluted by great performers from New York, Hollywood,
Nashville, and the arts capitals of the world. Seated with the President of
the United States and Mrs. Obama, the Honorees will accept the thanks of
their peers and fans through performances and heartfelt tributes.





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Hear, hear, John.

The music on Glee may not be barbershop, but I can promise that the next
generation of barbershoppers is out there among the teeming masses of a cappella
and show choir kids watching Glee. Pretty much all they need from us is a
receptive, welcoming attitude and for the right person to spend an evening
singing tags with them or drag them to a chapter meeting a few years down the
road.

-Noah

--- In bbshop@yahoogroups.com, "John Mallett" <john@...> wrote:
>
> Meh...I'm not going to slag off the producers of "Glee" for using autotune.
> Yes, it's there and noticeable, but I'm quite sure the principal reason they
> use it is to keep the production on schedule.  It's all very well
> rhapsodizing about how things were lovingly crafted in the good old days,
> but these guys are churning out 22 episodes a season, each with several
> musical numbers.
>
>
>
> Besides, that show has created  enormous interest among young people who
> want to sing.....just last month, the Glee cast recording of "Teenage Dream"
> debuted at #1 on the Billboard charts with over 200,000 downloads.  And
> here's the kicker for us..... that recording, autotuned or not, is A CAPELLA
> !!!
>
>
>
> As a singing society, we should be riding the Glee wave.....not nit-picking!
>
> Here's the youtube link:
>
>   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E46BhMIRujI
>
>
>
> Four point two
>
> MILLION
>
> hits, so far....
>
>
>
> That's a pretty big market, I'd say.
>
>
>
> John Mallett
>