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Re: [Bela BARTOK Club] Bartok Question

On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 11:20:53AM -0800, LarryLemer wrote:
> I can't discern any noticeable influences on the level of how he sounds to
> the ordinary educated but not expert listener. He seems to me the least
> derivative composer I've ever heard, but I am no expert on that.

A quote from the New Grove (1990 edition): "The greatest composer of his
country, he was responsible, with his friend Kodaly, for the awakening
of serious interest in Hungarian folk music."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Bartok was one of the *first*
composers to utilise folk music in his compositions. At any rate, he is
the first to introduce Hungarian folk music to the world.

But that's the unique sound to his music you hear, I think.

> --- Scott Andrew Hutchins <scottandrewh@...> wrote:
> > Kodaly worked alongside Bartok, Serly came after. Bartok was influenced
> > by Liszt and a number of others I'm not remembering off the top of my
> > head.

He also really liked Richard Strauss, btw. Apparently his hearing of
"Also sprach Zarathustra" changed his life.

> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: LarryLemer
> > To: belabartokclub@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Bela BARTOK Club] Bartok Question
> >
> > Is that similar in quality too? Were they influenced by Bartok, vice
> > versa, or did they develop together? What were the greatest influences
> > on Bartok? Who were most influenced by him? I'm glad to see things
> > picking up here.
> >
> > --- Scott Andrew Hutchins <scottandrewh@...> wrote:
> > > Zoltan Kodaly and Tibor Serly.
> > >
> > > Scott Andrew Hutchins
> > > scottandrewh@...
> > >
> > > Examine The Life of Timon of Athens at Cracks in the Fourth Wall
> > > Theatre & Filmworks
> > > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/scottandrewh


A side note: I am amazed to read that he has an unfinished symphony. Has anyone
every heard it? The New Grove says the scherzo "served as Bartok's
diploma composition." Interesting.

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Wed Feb 12, 2003 7:55 pm

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Zoltan Kodaly and Tibor Serly. Scott Andrew Hutchins scottandrewh@... Examine The Life of Timon of Athens at Cracks in the Fourth Wall Theatre &...
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Is that similar in quality too? Were they influenced by Bartok, vice versa, or did they develop together? What were the greatest influences on Bartok? Who were...
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Kodaly worked alongside Bartok, Serly came after. Bartok was influenced by Liszt and a number of others I'm not remembering off the top of my head. Scott...
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I can't discern any noticeable influences on the level of how he sounds to the ordinary educated but not expert listener. He seems to me the least derivative...
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Feb 12, 2003
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... A quote from the New Grove (1990 edition): "The greatest composer of his country, he was responsible, with his friend Kodaly, for the awakening of serious...
R. Douglas Barbieri
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Feb 12, 2003
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Hungarian peasants didn't sing anything comparable to what Bartok wrote. The process (logarithm?)he used to turn simple tunes and rhythms into his music,...
LarryLemer
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Feb 12, 2003
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Here's my 2 picks for the "similar to Bartok" question. Vit Micka (I actually found him on mp3.com) and Ginastera. I know very little about these 2, other...
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Feb 13, 2003
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In his youth, Bartok had several sources. At first, Brahms, because his professor of composition was a great Brahms admirer. Next, Bartok was very enthusiast...
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Feb 14, 2003
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I suppose his surreal 'night music' in the middle movements of his piano concertos, for example, demonstrate the influence of Debussy, correct? I hear the...
LarryLemer
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