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[Bela BARTOK Club] Re: Question Regarding String Quartet Recordings

Douglas Barbieri asked:

> Would it be instead of a language "accent" would you more mean a
> cultural flavor? Hungarians were raised in Hungarian culture, steeped
> I would imagine in the folk traditions of their country. Bartok was
> heavily influenced by the folk songs of his country, so I would
> imagine Hungarian musicians would best understand that aspect of his
> music and really bring it out.

You are right, Doug. However, a great part of that aspect of the
Hungarian folk music (and of Bartók's music) includes some
peculiarities of the Hungarian language (any composer's music is
influenced by the composer's mother tongue).

In Hungarian,

1. the tonic accent is always on the first syllable of the word.
Consequently, in the music of most Hungarian composers, the measure
bar has a greater importance than in other musics. (the first beat of
each measure is more accentuated). In Bartók's scores the measure
changements have always prosodic reasons, even when there is no text.

2. the lenght (short or long) of vowels, consonants and syllables is
very important, it always vehicles an information. For example:
"halok" means "I'm dying", and "hallok" is "I'm hearing", "hálok"
(with an acute accent over the 'a') means "I'm layed down", and
"hálók" (with an acute accent over the 'a' and the 'o') means "nets".
Consequently, in the music the rhythms are very important, exaggerate
them a bit is far better than make them round.

3. the lenght of a syllable is quasi independent of the tonic accent.
The main idea here is that a tonic accent never lengthens a short
syllable, quite the contrary, the accent slightly shortens the
syllable. For example, an eight note as a first note of a bar
(therefore accentuated), followed by a dotted quarter, must be
slightly shortened, in stead of being lenghtened.


Choose some folk-music-like pieces of Bartók, and hear them with some
Hungarian,then with some not Hungarian performers, and try to hear
what I meant above.


Best wishes, Pierre





Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:40 am

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Hello, Bartok Lovers, I am trying to find the 1972 stereo recording of the string quartets by the Vegh Quartet. There is a CD that seems readily available...
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Dec 10, 2008
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Hello Eric, ... YES, this is the 1972 stereo recording. The mnono recording is on "Music & Arts" label: http://www.musicandarts.com/CDpages/CD1169.html Riwall...
Riwall LOUARN
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Dec 10, 2008
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Riwall, Thanks very much for confirming this, and for pointing out the 1954 mono. I have that one--it clearly indicates 1954 mono, but apparently there have...
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Hi Eric ... Yes again. "Valois", a dead label, has first published this Vegh 1972 release. Riwall ... "Privileged/Confidential information may be contained in...
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Dec 11, 2008
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Thanks, Riwall, for the link to the original Vegh Quartet version of the Bartok Quartets. I have these still on LPs, but the LPs are just a bit worn. Still the...
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Hi Bruce, ... The Fine Art Quartet release : http://www.musicandarts.com/CDpages/CD1176.html is also very fine version. Listen to it. ... And which are they ? ...
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Hi, Riwall: I have the first Takacs Quartet version, the Emerson Quartet version, and the Hagen Quartet version. All with great strengths, but there is...
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... I have a Takacs Quartet version (Hungaroton HCD 12502, the copyright is from 1984, is it the first or the second version?), and the Alban Berg Quartet...
Pierre Csillag
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... I mean their manner of playing ... In what ways are the Emerson Quartet performances "foreign" ? Thanks. Rugby...
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... I didn't speak about the Emerson Quartet, I never heard their Bartók quartets. I said the Takács Quartet performs without any foreign accent, but I...
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Would it be instead of a language "accent" would you more mean a cultural flavor? Hungarians were raised in Hungarian culture, steeped I would imagine in the...
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... You are right, Doug. However, a great part of that aspect of the Hungarian folk music (and of Bartók's music) includes some peculiarities of the Hungarian...
Pierre Csillag
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... Pierre and Bruce, The Hungaroton is the first Takacs recording, when Takács-Nagy and Ormai were still in the group. The Decca is the second, from the ...
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Thanks, Eric. I was listening last night to my Hagen Quartet version, second disk, last night. It has on it the 3rd, 5th and 6th Quartets. Magnificent,...
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